Or is he right on the mark when he says people that talk bad of islam and mohammad must be killed?

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=det7TUsLy8U&feature=player_embedded - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=det7TUsLy8U&feature=player_embedded

Are these white Anglo folk not understanding the idea of freedom of speech?

 

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And when will you give up?

 

 

 

If you live in the United States or any country in which citizens have the right to express opinions so long as it does not cause harm to others, then as a citizen you have every right to that opinion even if it means making negative remarks. Now if I'm correct, by law you cannot be prosecuted (In American courts) for defaming or slandering the dead.

 

Now I do believe that anyone making comments that defames the prophet of Islam ina Muslim country that is governed by Islamic law should be subject to their law (even if it means death although death as a punishment in my opinion is quite extreme over words).

 

I wouldn't say they should repent as repenting is the behavior of someone believing in the object they are repenting to. I believe as a citizen it is everyones right to say what they want so long as it doesn't physically injure others.

 

Full of Hopes it is my opinion that any living deity that exercises dominance over this universe is beyond religion, race, gender etc. With that being said unfortunately I don't believe as you do. I do believe that their is moral accountability for what we do in this life, and I believe the Hindus (or Buddhist) call it Karma. I do personally believe in an autonomous deity but that's besides the point. the point is in the U.S. why should I repent for exercising free speech or am I misunderstanding the response as empathetic?

 

If God will punish people for speaking out against Muhammad (even when they're truly ignorant of truth) then allow God to do God and just observe. But speaking hatred for one person who exercised their rights as a citizen(not saying they did but this is just an example) of this Geet guy or speaking hatred for hatred does not excel the positive image of Islam since its members and its religion is under a microscope anyway.

 

As far as your example you said:

 

I live in the U.S born and raised and had my days in a court room before,Do you know what the penalty for treason is or use to be?I believe its death or life in prison I forget,(So much for saying whatever you want).but when someone doesnt what to go to trail in the U.S courts they cop a plea,For what?

 

First off, the penalty of treason is a lot different than the issue of free speech. I believe if you sell vital (classified) information to another government (which could directly or indirectly harm the United States) that may be considered treason. Or if you defect to another gov't (as a soldier) and fight against your former country this is considered treason, because the actions alone go beyond the act of speaking an opinion. these examples does not constitute fre speech it constitutes an opportunistic individual. So again, this is why your example of "your days in the courtroom" was a bad one. You cannot be tried for treason if you speak out against the United States, Jesus Christ, or Barack Obama.

 

It isn't treason if you burn the U.S. flag in front of a gov't office. This is considered free speech. BTW if you "cop-a-plea" you are admitting guilt so I'm not sure what you meant there.

Full of Hopes it is my opinion that any living deity that exercises dominance over this universe is beyond religion, race, gender etc.

 

 

You know, Mohandas Ghandi said the following.

 

"As soon as we lose the moral basis, we cease to be religious. There is no such thing as religion over-riding morality. Man, for instance, cannot be untruthful, cruel or incontinent and claim to have God on his side."

So we can elaborate on the basics here. We should not intentionally harm others, we should treat everyone as equals regardless. We should set an example. We should evaluate our actions on a daily basis...are we doing things to please ourself only? We often discuss these points. )

 

As regarding to free speech and the topic in hand. People often think it is new to our society. Certainly we act in this way...to such an extent we have become selfish I think. We demand this and that every day...Human Rights laws have made it easier for the minority to speak out. And rightly so. BUt have we taken it to the extremes?

 

Let us consider the words of John Milton ,several centuries back, for a minute.

He said-

'a nation's unity is created through blending individual differences rather than imposing homogeneity from above; that the ability to explore the fullest range of ideas on a given issue was essential to any learning process and truth cannot be arrived upon unless all points of view are first considered; and that by considering free thought, censorship acts to the detriment of material progress.'

 

So if we excercise our rights to freedom of speech then we should allow all others to do the same. That comes at a price unfortunately. If we don't agree with an individual or a certain group of people it does not give us the right to impose or restrict.

 

Only this week the leader of the BNP(Nick Griffin) was included for the first time in a British political tv show. There was outrage amongst some/many ( depending how you personally view it) There were demonstrations outside BBC house. Inside the studio he was verbally rounded on by an audience consisting of British people from all backgrounds. Ehnic groups stood firm on their idealologies to rapturous applause from the studio and people viewing from hom.They after all represent a large proportion of the UK. Nick Griffin had an opposite reaction to the one he expected. Most are outraged by the man in the UK..however by the following day he had also gained some support from new followers. We have to accept this result. People choose what they want.

 

Examine Milton's words further here. He also argued that 'if the facts are laid bare, truth will defeat falsehood in open competition, but this cannot be left for a single individual to determine. According to Milton, it is up to each individual to uncover their own truth; no one is wise enough to act as a censor for all individuals.'

 

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00nft24/Question_Time_22_10_2009/ - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00nft24/Question_Time_22_10_2009/