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Nausheen
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This post reflects how fussy Muslims can be as a community. What they are unable to do as a Muslim individual, as a Muslim family or as a Muslim community they demand the government to do for them.
Just a bit off topic, I have a ten year old daughter who is fluent in English, Urdu and Japanese. She has been taught English by English speaking teachers, and Japanese by native Japanese teachers - and none of these teachers knew any other language. Urdu is what we speak at home.
Back to the topic ...
" The Jews throught out the western world have their own religious courts. Christians have been enjoying the right to be married in Church. Muslims should have the same right to get married in Masajid as well as they need Sharia Courts, dealing in marriage, civil matters and divorce. "
This was one good point. Something I would want to draw attention of others on a different string ... perhaps later.
"Majority of Muslim children leave schools with low grades because state schools with monolingual teachers are not capable of teaching English to bilingual children.At the same time, they need to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. "
At one point you say the Muslims in Britain are born there, so I don't understand how they have a problem with English as a medium of instruction in schools. Are these children totally isolated from the world around them? If children are having a hard time learning English in Britain, I wonder how much Muslims are contributing to the society!! They sound like a burden on the place. If they cannot learn the language of the place, what else can they do to improve it!
If parents cannot teach Urdu and Arabic at home, it is also terrible. I know Arabic and Urdu, but I never learned any of it in any school or University. Now I teach my kids ... and I don't need any school to do this for me - never thought it was such a big deal.
Isn't there anyone in the British Muslim community who can conduct classes in urdu and arabic privately? And what is wrong in it if your culture is dear to you?
"Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. "
This is a very raciest comment. Are Muslim children not allowed in other schools? If so, why do you think non-Muslim children or teachers should be kept out of Muslim schools?
Why are muslims so scared of others diluting their culture? Is it because their love and adherence to their culture is not strong enough? If so, something should be done within first, before changing the world around them.
Many times we need to be somebody, rather than say something or do something to bring a change.
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seekshidayath
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Just going off topic
Why are you a vegetarian ? Does Bible command so ? WHat i know is bible says, whatever you eat does n't matter. What matters is that in our heart. I guess its from Mark. InshAllah, shall look into the verses and share here
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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believer
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Genesis 1
29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground�everything that has the breath of life in it�I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
It is not forced on Christians as food laws are in other religions, it is a free choice.
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Chrysalis
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I see. So are you a vegetarian because Christianity asks you to be one? Its a personal choice of yours.
Pray tell how particular Christians are about thier menus. . . and why they need to be outraged on menu changes? Like I mentioned before, Unlike Jews and Christians - they will virtually eat anything, no matter how it is killed. The only exception I can think of is the handful that do not eat pork. I have never heard of 'Christian Dietary Laws' or Christian menus, unlike the Muslim/Jewish ones like Kosher, Halal. If Christians like you are vegans/vegetarians etc, than they are because of personal choice, not religous laws.
Did you know that a majority of Christians are meat-eaters?
Do you think that the way animals are killed in USA/UK other nonmuslim countries is humane? I reccommend you read a book or watch a documentary that describes the plight of animals in American slaughterhouses. One such book I can reccommend on the spot is Fast Food Nation.
What ettiquette/steps/commands does the bible give about ethical/humane killing of animals, would you mind sharing? If it does not - then really, why would you want to axe your own foot and say that the way Muslims slaughter animals is inhumane? Islam gives great detail about how to slaughter an animal ethically/humanely with the least pain possible.
In Islam: Animals can be slaughtered only after a certain age. Female animals/Pregnant/Babies/lactating ones are to be avoided. They are supposed to be fed/watered - even if they are to be slaughtered eventually (unlike American slaughterhouses)
Branding animals is not allowed in Islam - because it gives the animal pain. Animals cannot be slaughtered in front of each other, so they are not distressed. It is sunnah to sharpen the knife before slaughter, so the animal feels the least pain dies quickly. Animals are not killed by electric shock or bludgeoning - methods which sometimes leave the animals 'half-dead' and in pain.
It is forbidden to torture animals before eating them (Bull Fighting etc). When slaughtering, the animal's jugular vien is cut, the animal dies of blood loss to brain, which is painless (or relatively painless) - unlike painful methods of blow-to-head, wringing neck, chopping off head, electrocution etc.
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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Hayfa
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Do people not think we need to separate the topic as to the British system and the US system.. i think they are different..
Basically you have different issues in the same post religion culture language they are intertwined and yet also are separate. I am from the school of thought that total immersion in a language is the best and quickest way to learn. Having received my certificate in teaching English as a 2nd language i would say it completely depends upon many factors as to what is the 'best' way. This includes: level of literacy in native language, age, level of education already. It is easy to think this way if one views language strictly as separate from culture. And that is just not so. And studies do not show that total immersion is the best way to go.. if you are looking at long-term educational options for the majority of people. One does NOT learn a 2nd language as they do the first. Also, people is the US are the least likely to speak more than one language in the world. People in Africa and Asia often speak anywhere from 3-5 languages. And if you do not learn a language by age 12 you will never speak it as a native speaker would. Plus if your brain is active in certain parts if you speak more than one language. You would think we would want people to be more literate, and speak more languages.. but Americans are behind in this regard. |
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believer
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What do you mean what do I mean? LOL!!
simple - People do not want to eat an animal killed in a way that they see as inhumane.
There are many Christians that do not eat pork. I am a vegetarian!
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Chrysalis
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Wha??????
What exactly are you saying? and how is it even relevant? and when do they change menus? As for Christians not having a choice, phsuit. I dont think you people follow the Biblical/Mosaic dietary limitations anymore, and will eat virtually anything . . . so why complain? If Jews complain, I can understand - because they atleast do follow thier dietary laws.
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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believer
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Many believe the way Muslims kill their animals for food is unkind. Where I have seen the outrage is when the whole menu is changed and the Christians don't have a choice.
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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
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