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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote peacemaker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2010 at 6:38pm
Originally posted by abuayisha abuayisha wrote:

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May Allah enhance our learning and understanding of our beautiful faith. It seems to me that the best way to augment one�s learning is to go to the source, in this context the author. It is quite possible that I may inadvertently misconstrue his standpoint and that would be a disservice to the cause.
 
For those who may not be aware of him, the following link contains the biography of the writer: 
 
 
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Allah bless you Peace, and please know that the onus is upon claimant, which is why I asked for evidence - I'm here to learn as well.
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Originally posted by abuayisha abuayisha wrote:

"I think the writer has tried to convey the Islamic spirit that should prevail prior to practicing polygamy. If that spirit is absent, it is very likey that this practice would be abused."
 
Yeah I understand, but I think often these writers also seek to somehow justify plural marriage in contemporary times.  Prior to Islam these marriages were common and Islam only limited the number and sought to ensure justice between the wives.  No conditions such as those commonly stated by writers today were mentioned by Allah or His Prophet.  We many times see written that only if the wife could not have children, or widows in times of war, sickness, etc.  As time passes Muslims begin to adopt these writings as if they have textual basis and there are none- at least to my knowledge. 
 
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Brother, I don�t necessarily agree with the writer on every point. To deal with the matter appropriately, I also suggested the sister should consult a scholar. 
 
With that said, I appreciate the fact that these personalities are far more knowledgeable than I am and who have done much better job to disseminate information about Islam.
 

However, if there is something that the writer has written in the context that contradicts the Islamic jurisprudence or fiqh, please mention it.

With all due respect, this will be my last post in this thread due to limited time at hand.

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Sister your point about obsessing is well taken, however it seems our sister who posted has noticed a possible pattern in her husband's behavior, and it was this I addressed.  I think it would be nice if men find that a young and attractive woman is interested in Islam, that she is referred to a sister to answer her queries. 
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"I think the writer has tried to convey the Islamic spirit that should prevail prior to practicing polygamy. If that spirit is absent, it is very likey that this practice would be abused."
 
Yeah I understand, but I think often these writers also seek to somehow justify plural marriage in contemporary times.  Prior to Islam these marriages were common and Islam only limited the number and sought to ensure justice between the wives.  No conditions such as those commonly stated by writers today were mentioned by Allah or His Prophet.  We many times see written that only if the wife could not have children, or widows in times of war, sickness, etc.  As time passes Muslims begin to adopt these writings as if they have textual basis and there are none- at least to my knowledge. 
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I agree Chyrsalis if a man is going to either "cheat" or marry a 2nd to going to happen. We Muslims should strive for balance.. being assertive and yet helpful. We should be kind, giving and loving, but being a doormat is nowhere part of Islam. We are told are rights quite explicitly.

And you are right about culture, where you are and the society you live in determines many of what we do.  I know many sisters who are taught so much to rely upon the family to make decisions for them that they would not even think to say too much.

On one hand it may be why we"western" women appear attractive cause we are more independent and less "needy" to get things done, but as many men have found out, we are also far, far more assertive usually and as a culture are taught to speak up for ourselves. This is not universal of course.

I agree if we can discuss it beforehand, before the emotional attachment, so much the better.
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I think the best way for already married women to deal with the "possibility" of sharing their husband with another is not to obsess about it. I think if a wife constantly fears/worries that her husband might do something like that - she is going to lose all her trust, self-confidence and self-esteem.... and when that happens, she is going to worry all the time. This is going to effect her mood, humor, temper, personality and emotional connectivity. If that happens, even if the husband wasn't planning such a thing - he is going to find her less interesting or attractive. So even if he never marries, it still ended up destroying the marriage relations. (this applies to all women in all relationships who may obsess about the possibility of their partner cheating or straying)..not only muslim 2nd marriages)


So Muslimahs should be strong and confident. We can only manage/control things to an extent, beyond that its no longer in our control, so its better not to try and take on burdens that were never meant for us i.e. don't fret about something that you have no control over - and leave the rest to Allah. Smile

But still... don't be a door-mat and let your husband get away with anything while leaving it to fate - like Abuayisha said, be proactive and make it clear that such an event would make you unhappy. (in a nice way, or humorously perhaps). Sometimes husbands need their wives to step up and show a bit of strength... (right?)


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Originally posted by abuayisha abuayisha wrote:

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I think women are well advised to go ahead and open Pandora's box, and better prior to marriage, when you can have placed into your marriage contract that your husband not take on any additional wives.


I agree bro, however when I think about it - is that very realistic? I can only imagine the reaction of the prospective groom and his family if the girl or her family asks "do you ever plan on contracting a second marriage?". I don't know about other cultures, but in the subcontinent at least, where the culture is conservative and the Groom's side usually has an upper hand in marriage negotiations - too many questions from the girl's side are not welcomed. Apparently its a 'reflection' of how troublesome (read independent) the wife is going to be......

Unless of course the prospective groom is a pious individual or broad-minded. Which is a rarity in itself.

This is only possible if the girl is a strong individual, has her family's support - and no external pressures to get married immediately.


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