Why did Allah choose to have a son? - Event Date: 28 December 2011

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   Assalamu alaika Larry.

Muhammad never separated the Bible from the Qur'an except on what Allah revealed to him (us). If you cannot reason you will never fear Allah. Imagine you in Egypt when Allah commanded Moses, "Stretch your aarm toward the sky and everything wioll be covered with darkness thick enough to touch." According to the Bible Egypt was covered in darkness for three days. Then the king of Egypt sent for Moses and told him, "Go wworship the Lord! And take your faamilies with you. Just leaave your sheep, goats and caattle." Go to Egypt and see the mummified body of Pharaoh. It is not mentioned in the Bible that Allah preserved the body as a lesson for future generations that the days of tyrants are short lived. Please stop calling yourself a CHRISTIAN. There is no where in the Bible as confirmed by the Qur'an where Allah ever addressed one as a CHRISTIAN. You are a Muslim. The belief in the Bible is that there is only One Allah. This is the belioef also in the Qur'an. There is no biase, prejudice and self-centredness in what Muhammad confirmed. 

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Friendship Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 24 August 2008 Status: Offline Points: 884	Post Options Post Reply Quote Friendship Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 January 2011 at 1:21pm
	Assalamu alaika Larry. Muhammad never separated the Bible from the Qur'an except on what Allah revealed to him (us). If you cannot reason you will never fear Allah. Imagine you in Egypt when Allah commanded Moses, "Stretch your aarm toward the sky and everything wioll be covered with darkness thick enough to touch." According to the Bible Egypt was covered in darkness for three days. Then the king of Egypt sent for Moses and told him, "Go wworship the Lord! And take your faamilies with you. Just leaave your sheep, goats and caattle." Go to Egypt and see the mummified body of Pharaoh. It is not mentioned in the Bible that Allah preserved the body as a lesson for future generations that the days of tyrants are short lived. Please stop calling yourself a CHRISTIAN. There is no where in the Bible as confirmed by the Qur'an where Allah ever addressed one as a CHRISTIAN. You are a Muslim. The belief in the Bible is that there is only One Allah. This is the belioef also in the Qur'an. There is no biase, prejudice and self-centredness in what Muhammad confirmed.

Larry Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 16 April 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 632	Post Options Post Reply Quote Larry Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 January 2011 at 10:13pm
	Friendship, You speak of Muhammad telling his followers "never to be annoyed and we must listen to others..." Then you reply to my posting that "Reason, common sense and logic reject your assertion." I would love for you to illuminate us all and explain how "Reason, common sense and logic reject my statements." Are you basing these "observations" on the Qur'an? And if they are based on the Qur'an, what does that have to do with me as a Christian? My beliefs are based on the Holy Bible not the Qur'an. You also state that I am "already biased and prejudiced." That sounds like someone who is annoyed...and a bit too self-righteous for their own good. And I would venture to say that your postings show that you are also "biased and prejudiced" toward your own religion and beliefs. Maybe you should practice what you preach. Larry

Friendship Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 24 August 2008 Status: Offline Points: 884	Post Options Post Reply Quote Friendship Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 January 2011 at 1:48pm
	Assalamu alaika Gibbs. Muhammad taught us never to be annoyed and that we must listen to others and pick that which is good only. In the holy Qur'an, Allah told us that when the brothers of Joseph accused him of theft, he took the milder approach and said, "The one on whom your goods are found." Brother Gibbs (I learned of Gibbs free energy constant in physics), I told you the whole story as appeared in BBC website. What is relevant is the desire to have a child and not his homosexuality. Although he is the female partner, he was fashioned by Allah without that instrument to conceive. Allah argued that he is not an animal and therefore has no desire. For Allah to have a son according to what He revealed to Muhammad, he must have a desire! The Quraysh argued that how could Muhammad whom they met in the streets, goes to the market, eat, drink, sleep, with wife and children be given Apostleship above them? I hope you understaand now. I will never be aannoyed with you.

Gibbs Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 29 April 2009 Status: Offline Points: 939	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gibbs Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 January 2011 at 12:39pm
	BTW stop calling me "people of the book." I may be of jewish lineage but I don't even read the Torah or the Talmud. I'm Agnostic. I consult with religious people I am not religious myself. Edited by Gibbs - 07 January 2011 at 12:40pm

Gibbs Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 29 April 2009 Status: Offline Points: 939	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gibbs Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 January 2011 at 12:38pm
	Friendship I don't think you understand.....When you write, sometimes you don't make sense. You cross different subjects together and it doesn't make sense. Elton John and Allah not having a son doesn't make sense. If this is a religious subject stay on religion. Using the example of Elton John who is declared homosexual adopting a child has nothing to do with Islam and Allah having a son. I don't mean to be rude but you need to hear this.

Friendship Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 24 August 2008 Status: Offline Points: 884	Post Options Post Reply Quote Friendship Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 January 2011 at 8:45am
	Assalamu alaika Schmikbob. The matter is not as you think. Muhammad the messenger of Allah taught us not to argue with anyone but on a just cause. That is between you and me, we can argue on the issue of all what Allah revealed to Muhammad to understand what you learn from your scripture. Secondly, we among ourselves are to argue on the actions of the holy Apostle. But, I find it absolutely uncivilized to just cut short and truncate what one wants to learn from someone. I want to understand why, how can Allah right from the creation of Light, He never thought of having a child until 3BC.

schmikbob Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 526	Post Options Post Reply Quote schmikbob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 January 2011 at 7:36am
	friendship, aren't you just a little too full of yourself to be rejecting people from this forum?

Friendship Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 24 August 2008 Status: Offline Points: 884	Post Options Post Reply Quote Friendship Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 January 2011 at 12:56am
	Assalamu alaika Larry. Your statement: I don't need any lessons in reading the Holy Bible and I have seen no evidence in the Holy Bible for the reality of "Muhammad" as a prophet of God, or even being mentioned as such. Response: Reason, common sense and logic reject your assertion. You have contradicted yourself! Please we want to establish understanding, tolerance, assimilation, integration, adoption, etc as echoed by the West and this can be achieved only through education. You are already biased and prejudiced. You have no platform to participate in this forum. If you are super being, nobody is jealous of that. But as a human being I cannot claim exception.