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Caringheart
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Gretings Hasan, I am not sure why you addressed me but I am happy to answer. These are the words spoken by Jesus. * NIV version has this note at verse 19 (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.) Wishing you well, CH Edited by Caringheart - 13 January 2013 at 5:16pm |
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Caringheart
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I may have shared this earlier in the thread, but not so long ago I was listening to a teaching that talked about how the law was given by God, to Moses, to forbid the eating of pork, to ensure that the Israelites would be prevented from returning to Egypt as some were tempted to do. The teaching was that pork was a large part of the Egyptian diet and so by forbidding this the Israelites would have no choice but to not return. I did not do further research into the matter since it made a great deal of sense to me.
As we have become better able to travel around the world I think it is clear that people must eat what they are provided with to eat according to where they live.... that or starve. Edited by Caringheart - 13 January 2013 at 8:46pm |
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Placid
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Hi Rational,
Quote: Who are Christian Gentiles and why doesn't Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14 apply to them regarding swine? Christian Gentiles are those who followed Jesus as the Gospel was spread outside of Israel�. --- The Jews first called the followers of Jesus. �the Way,� or �that Way,� which was kind of spoken as an insult. However, as the Christian Church and community grew in Antioch, Syria, it says in Acts 11: 25 Then Barnabas departed for Tarsus to seek Saul. 26 And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch. The dietary laws in Lev 11 and Deut 14 are generally followed by many Christians, but they are no longer a law because the NT was not founded on rules and laws, but on grace and truth, which comes by Faith in God, as it says in John 1: 17 �For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.� --- And Faith in God, through Jesus Christ, requires willing obedience. What was given to the Gentile Christians at Antiock is listed in Acts 15: 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. This is comparable to the first part of Surah 5: 3 Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat (that which dies of itself), blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than God; that which hath been killed by strangling, --- (Like I said above, the only restriction added for Muslims was swine, or pork.) Placid |
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honeto
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Caringheart, I have asked for a command. All this blah blah does not show any commands. God commanded before that "thou shall not eat meat of swine". That's called a command. When God tells us to do something or not to do something, he sends a commands. Where is the command, "thou shall now eat of all that was declared unclean to you before"! where did God say that? I can find many similar obscure messages like you quoted and their possible interpretation that will be as ridiculous as yours. But I would not do that, I want you to show me a command where God commands you to free yourself from dietary laws He has in place before. Hasan Edited by honeto - 16 January 2013 at 3:39pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Caringheart
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Why in tarnation would God need to give a command like you are asking for. You give a command when you are prohibiting something, not when you are giving permission. I guess, "blah, blah, blah", means you didn't even read, so why did I bother to take my time to share? Did you read my other post about why God forbid pork to the Jews in the first place? Edited by Caringheart - 16 January 2013 at 4:17pm |
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Nausheen
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'Why in tarnation would God need to give a command like you are asking for. You give a command when you are prohibiting something, not when you are giving permission.'
Hello Caringheart, Off hand I can give you one such example in our religion. There is a hadith which says, earlier I forbade you from visiting graves, but now you can - so when you visit, remember your death (I don't remember the exact words though). I think Hasan was asking you for something similar. The do's need to be clearly underlined, like the dont's. Don't you think so? |
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<font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR] |
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Caringheart
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Thanks Nausheen for the illustration, however, this is hadith, not quran, and we are meant to be using scripture. I believe the Biblical scripture is very clear about the permission being given. Hasan does not agree. As far as I am concerned, you don't say, 'I command you to eat whatever you want'... you say, 'I give permission to eat as you will'. Anyway, your hadith does the same... it does not command... 'I command you to visit graves'... it gives permission. So essentially you and I have said the same thing. (Sorry if I came off sounding testy.) Salaam and blessings, Caringheart Edited by Caringheart - 16 January 2013 at 6:59pm |
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Abu Loren
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Christians just can't bring themselves to admit that Paul the deceiver changed the dietery law which was implemented in the OT. Christians give the lame excuse of a quote from Jesus, which is misundersood, that to paraphrase it 'it's not what goes in your mouth that is important but what comes out'.
There's no getting away from the fact that as they wanted the gentiles to follow the teachings of Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) that they had to to compromise on the dietery law otherwise no gentile would have become a Christian. Simple. I don't think the question has been answered yet. Do Christians follow any dietary Laws?
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