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Insane Brutality of the State of Israel
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| Three children killed on a Gaza beach by Israeli shelling on June 9, 2006 |
Words fail; ordinary terms are inadequate to describe the horrors Israel perpetrates on a daily basis, and has perpetrated for years, against the Palestinians. The tragedy of Gaza has been described a hundred times over, as have the tragedies of 1948, of Qibya, of Sabra and Shatila, of Jenin -- 60 years of atrocity perpetrated in the name of Judaism. But the horror generally falls on deaf ears in most of Israel, in the U.S. political arena, in the mainstream U.S. media. Those who are horrified -- and there are many -- cannot penetrate the shield of impassivity that protects the political and media elite in Israel, even more so in the U.S., and increasingly now in Canada and Europe, from seeing, from caring.
But it needs to be said now, loudly: those who devise and carry out Israeli policies have made Israel into a monster, and it has come time for all of us -- all Israelis, all Jews who allow Israel to speak for them, all Americans who do nothing to end U.S. support for Israel and its murderous policies -- to recognize that we stain ourselves morally by continuing to sit by while Israel carries out its atrocities against the Palestinians.
A nation that mandates the primacy of one ethnicity or religion over all others will eventually become psychologically dysfunctional. Narcissistically obsessed with its own image, it must strive to maintain its racial superiority at all costs and will inevitably come to view any resistance to this imagined superiority as an existential threat. Indeed, any other people automatically becomes an existential threat simply by virtue of its own existence. As it seeks to protect itself against phantom threats, the racist state becomes increasingly paranoid, its society closed and insular, intellectually limited. Setbacks enrage it; humiliations madden it. The state lashes out in a crazed effort, lacking any sense of proportion, to reassure itself of its strength.
The pattern played out in Nazi Germany as it sought to maintain a mythical Aryan superiority. It is playing out now in Israel. "This society no longer recognizes any boundaries, geographical or moral," wrote Israeli intellectual and anti-Zionist activist Michel Warschawski in his 2004 book Towards an Open Tomb: The Crisis of Israeli Society. Israel knows no limits and is lashing out as it finds that its attempt to beat the Palestinians into submission and swallow Palestine whole is being thwarted by a resilient, dignified Palestinian people who refuse to submit quietly and give up resisting Israel's arrogance.
We in the United States have become inured to tragedy inflicted by Israel, and we easily fall for the spin that automatically, by some trick of the imagination, converts
Israeli atrocities to examples of how Israel is victimized. But a military establishment that drops a 500-pound bomb on a residential apartment building in the middle of the night and kills 14 sleeping civilians, as happened in Gaza four years ago, is not a military that operates by civilized rules.
A military establishment that drops a 500-pound bomb on a house in the middle of the night and kills a man and his wife and seven of their children, as happened in Gaza four days ago, is not the military of a moral country.
A society that can brush off as unimportant an army officer's brutal murder of a 13-year-old girl on the claim that she threatened soldiers at a military post -- one of nearly 700 Palestinian children murdered by Israelis since the intifada began -- is not a society with a conscience.
A government that imprisons a 15-year-old girl -- one of several hundred children in Israeli detention -- for the crime of pushing and running away from a male soldier trying to do a body search as she entered a mosque is not a government with any moral bearings. (This story, not the kind that ever appears in the U.S. media, was reported in the London Sunday Times. The girl was shot three times as she ran away and was convicted to 18 months in prison after she came out of a coma.)
Critics of Israel note increasingly that Israel is self-destructing, nearing a catastrophe of its own making. Israeli journalist Gideon Levy talks of a society in "moral collapse."
Michel Warschawski writes of an "Israeli madness" and "insane brutality," a "putrefaction" of civilized society, that have set Israel on a suicidal course. He foresees the end of the Zionist enterprise; Israel is a "gang of hoodlums," he says, a state "that makes a mockery of legality and of civil morality. A state run in contempt of justice loses the strength to survive."
As Warschawski notes bitterly, Israel no longer knows any moral boundaries -- if it ever did. Those who continue to support Israel, who make excuses for it as it descends into corruption, have lost their moral compass.
Kathleen Christison is a former CIA political analyst and has worked on Middle East issues for 30 years. She is the author of Perceptions of Palestine and The Wound of Dispossession. She can be reached at [email protected].
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DOIN PHINE said:
To Ali, thanks for the links, howeve I didn't check them out. Let me give you my reasons.
1. If videos are real, I don' like seeing people getting hurt/killed/mutilated/humiliated!
2. There is a good chance the videos are not even real.
If the first option is true, I don't need a video to prove it to me. Unfortunately there are atrocities being performed around the world 24/7 365 days of the year, in the name of religion, and sometimes for other reasons. I would never presuppose that Jews are above this, in the same way I know that Muslims are not above this either. When I see a Muslim gang cut off somebodies head on Al-Jazeera TV I don't bother looking either!
Ali however I don't appreciate your comment where you say "for your enjoyment". Believe me when I say I get no enjoyment from human suffering.
When a Palestinian gets killed it hurts me as much as when a Jew is killed. Ali can you say the same? I'm anxiously waiting your reply.
Thank you.
1. If videos are real, I don' like seeing people getting hurt/killed/mutilated/humiliated!
2. There is a good chance the videos are not even real.
If the first option is true, I don't need a video to prove it to me. Unfortunately there are atrocities being performed around the world 24/7 365 days of the year, in the name of religion, and sometimes for other reasons. I would never presuppose that Jews are above this, in the same way I know that Muslims are not above this either. When I see a Muslim gang cut off somebodies head on Al-Jazeera TV I don't bother looking either!
Ali however I don't appreciate your comment where you say "for your enjoyment". Believe me when I say I get no enjoyment from human suffering.
When a Palestinian gets killed it hurts me as much as when a Jew is killed. Ali can you say the same? I'm anxiously waiting your reply.
Thank you.
2006-07-29
ALI FROM USA said:
Doin Phine, this is for your enjoyment:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696
http://www.halturnershow.com/IsraeliAtrocities.html
I will be anxiously awaiting your comments.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696
http://www.halturnershow.com/IsraeliAtrocities.html
I will be anxiously awaiting your comments.
2006-07-28
HUDD FROM CANADA said:
Doin Phine you can die in your rage and all I would say would be: Rest in peace. I am not going anywhere and guess what you can't deport me either. It's not like I had a "back home", the beauty of being grass-roots Canadian,savvy? And yes,I totally believe that Muslims are the best of people,otherwise I would be an atheist. I believe that gays are despicable,but don't believe they deserve to die.I believe USA is the empire of the devil and Israel is a child of hell. I believe Hisballah are freedom fighters and IDF a terroristic organization,and so on and so on. You can split and empty your contents on the kerb of your driveway,I couldn't care less. This is my opinion in the free world and stand by it amd yeah,I am Canadian and I have a whole lot of compatriots that share in my opinions and guess what? They are not all Muslims,but definitely they are not redneck Fascists kissing the Zionist butt and bending over for USA!Do you copy? Do you understand the words I layed down for you to clearly read?Let me reiterate in case you missed it for the first time: USA=The empire of the forces of darkness. Israel=the child of hell.The Zionists,the reversed Nazis,the dirt of the world.Europe and North America the brood of Satan.Why do I live here? Because I want to.As a Canadian I am entitled and have the right to live whereever I choose,including Canada,and nobody can deny me that,nobody,maybe the Natives,but since they were rendered insignificant,I guess you have to live with me.You don't need to love me,but you can't kill me,all you can't do is crack,because more and more Canadians will come up front and denounce Nazi Israel and Fascist America.As for Canada,she's a small potato in the game.Israel has a greater army for crying out loud,with only 6million hellions!Canada,33millions has less than 3000? Canada is the country of the Green Peace movement,she should stick to what she can do best:promote peace,arts and technology. Muslims rule in Ontario,they're the best!
2006-07-28
HUDD FROM CANADA said:
What do I think about the Turks? Nothing. They are rated as the single democracy in the ME after Israel.So,I guess this is the democratic thing to do.As well as Israel does the same thing,in other areas,that would seem downright Fascist for a country like Canada.
"Finally what do you think of Muslims asking for public schools seperate from non-Muslims because they believe non-Muslims are dirty. I see what you are saying but it doesn't with what I see in the world around me."
I think that some Muslims learnt this from the Jews,since the Jews do this of a hundred years in the New World. Did you hear about Yeshiva schools,I can give you some addresses in TO if you doubt me. The Jews consider themselves pure and chosen by God to inherit Paradise,all the rest of the Goyim including secular Jews are filthy and not worthy of consideration only of usage and servitude to the elect.
Alexander the Great is held great in the Quran,too,but I find him rather a usurper and he in fact put the basis of the melting pot as we know it from the American phenomenon. His merits are quoted in the Quran,his mistakes not very much so,that because the Quran is not a history book but a book to aid your faith in God.
I have some questions for you too:
What do you think about Israeli little girls signing on the artillery shells:"Die! With love,then the name."It was a school project. So,the Israelis sow the seeds of hate in their own children,ensuring future generations of Israelis to share in the same morbid state of mind that would secure them a perpetual situation of war until...Armageddon. When I visited over there and was taken by Israelis of US descent belonging to the movement,"Shalom Achshav"(Peace Now) and brought incognito to Yeshivas and college campuses to hear the truth from the horse's mouth,I got appalled and nauseated by the hate and radical fanatism of the Israelis. I can't understand how can these people escape any criticism? Countries were punished for l
"Finally what do you think of Muslims asking for public schools seperate from non-Muslims because they believe non-Muslims are dirty. I see what you are saying but it doesn't with what I see in the world around me."
I think that some Muslims learnt this from the Jews,since the Jews do this of a hundred years in the New World. Did you hear about Yeshiva schools,I can give you some addresses in TO if you doubt me. The Jews consider themselves pure and chosen by God to inherit Paradise,all the rest of the Goyim including secular Jews are filthy and not worthy of consideration only of usage and servitude to the elect.
Alexander the Great is held great in the Quran,too,but I find him rather a usurper and he in fact put the basis of the melting pot as we know it from the American phenomenon. His merits are quoted in the Quran,his mistakes not very much so,that because the Quran is not a history book but a book to aid your faith in God.
I have some questions for you too:
What do you think about Israeli little girls signing on the artillery shells:"Die! With love,then the name."It was a school project. So,the Israelis sow the seeds of hate in their own children,ensuring future generations of Israelis to share in the same morbid state of mind that would secure them a perpetual situation of war until...Armageddon. When I visited over there and was taken by Israelis of US descent belonging to the movement,"Shalom Achshav"(Peace Now) and brought incognito to Yeshivas and college campuses to hear the truth from the horse's mouth,I got appalled and nauseated by the hate and radical fanatism of the Israelis. I can't understand how can these people escape any criticism? Countries were punished for l
2006-07-28
DOIN PHINE said:
Hudd your comment that Muslim superiority is based on religion and not humanity is totally repulsive. So what is your pecking order anyway. Muslims are at the top, which ones at the very top Sunni or Shiite, and what about moderate Muslims. Whats next, people of the book, and in which order. Then what after that. Last of course are the atheists such as myself. Well I think you finally let the cat of the bag. You are not racist, but your are a Muslim supremist!!! Wow how does that fit into Canadian multiculteralism. You are proof about what I don't accept about Islam and Muslims. It took alot of comments passed between you and me, but the truth is out. Personally I believe all are equal, and all are welcome to Canada that accept that all people are equal. White, black, yellow, red, and brown! Hetro, gay or bisexual. And yes all religions including Islam. But to say that Muslims are not equal to others on religious grounds is TOTALLY unacceptable. Do you realise that is the thinking in most parts of the world, but not in Canada, well not among most Canadians.
I'm happy you agree with me that what makes Canada special could possibly be lost if immigration is so great that integration is not possible. I suggest to you that if you find Canadian values offensive, maybe then Canada might not be for you. Don't get mad, maybe there are countries that are more enlightened, and are closer to your belief system. Maybe a Muslim country where it is written that Muslims are superior, and have greater rights then non muslims. One that follows the Cairo charter of rights and not the UN charter of rights (written by a Canadian!)
I have never blames Muslims alone, nothing is so simple in this world, but to call Jews Zionist pigs, and the United States the Evil Empire is not the way to solve problems either. Such talk will bring confrontation, and there will be winners and losers, but mostly losers.
I'm happy you agree with me that what makes Canada special could possibly be lost if immigration is so great that integration is not possible. I suggest to you that if you find Canadian values offensive, maybe then Canada might not be for you. Don't get mad, maybe there are countries that are more enlightened, and are closer to your belief system. Maybe a Muslim country where it is written that Muslims are superior, and have greater rights then non muslims. One that follows the Cairo charter of rights and not the UN charter of rights (written by a Canadian!)
I have never blames Muslims alone, nothing is so simple in this world, but to call Jews Zionist pigs, and the United States the Evil Empire is not the way to solve problems either. Such talk will bring confrontation, and there will be winners and losers, but mostly losers.
2006-07-27
HUDD FROM CANADA said:
Oh boy,Doin Phine,where do you get your info from?I wouldn't say it wasn't genuine,but in my circles of Muslims and otherwise,such refractory opinions don't surface. There is a strong criticism of Israel and USA's unconditional support for the Zionist state,but other than that,I don't voice such aberations. Let me try to answer to your comment.
You see,Islam is not to be taken as it might come to the individual from one or two sources. You have to receive Islam in your intellect,if you don't want to be a Muslim and in your heart if you wanted to be one. Take Sharia from its source,the Quran,and apply it to Canada for Canadians,you'll be surprized of how easy would be to adjust to it. Give me any issue,e.g.,the right of women,the Quran says:"Male and female has He(God) created them,equal members to one another." If any body of law pretending to be Shariah and does not consider this, is not Shariah! You cannot deny Quran,or omit something and add a foreign element,like tradition or prejudice. Unfortunately,Muslim governments do this,but then again,they would do the same with a secular constitution as well. Why? The element of corruption that knows no limits. Therefore things to work in the ME or elsewhere in the Islamic world would start with eliminating corruption.Let's say that you don't want your woman to wear hijab(veil),Shariah from the Quran,"There is no compulsion in religion." According to this nobody can force a burka on anybody, it would be haram(an illegal thing). There are also passages on the freedom of religions and about gays is said only to separate from them. Even in Canada,gays usually do not live with non-gays. They can work together with the staights as long as their butt-cheeks don't show from their most elaborate outfits.Quran doesn't say kill them,like the Bible does,their sin is theirs and does not affect you if you don't join the club. There are churches in ME and the Islamic world and they are not as old as to be before Islam.
You see,Islam is not to be taken as it might come to the individual from one or two sources. You have to receive Islam in your intellect,if you don't want to be a Muslim and in your heart if you wanted to be one. Take Sharia from its source,the Quran,and apply it to Canada for Canadians,you'll be surprized of how easy would be to adjust to it. Give me any issue,e.g.,the right of women,the Quran says:"Male and female has He(God) created them,equal members to one another." If any body of law pretending to be Shariah and does not consider this, is not Shariah! You cannot deny Quran,or omit something and add a foreign element,like tradition or prejudice. Unfortunately,Muslim governments do this,but then again,they would do the same with a secular constitution as well. Why? The element of corruption that knows no limits. Therefore things to work in the ME or elsewhere in the Islamic world would start with eliminating corruption.Let's say that you don't want your woman to wear hijab(veil),Shariah from the Quran,"There is no compulsion in religion." According to this nobody can force a burka on anybody, it would be haram(an illegal thing). There are also passages on the freedom of religions and about gays is said only to separate from them. Even in Canada,gays usually do not live with non-gays. They can work together with the staights as long as their butt-cheeks don't show from their most elaborate outfits.Quran doesn't say kill them,like the Bible does,their sin is theirs and does not affect you if you don't join the club. There are churches in ME and the Islamic world and they are not as old as to be before Islam.
2006-07-26
DOIN PHINE said:
I'm glad to hear you talk about Canada in such a positive way, and for that I thank you for you honesty.
Would you then say that Canada should be a model for the Middle East? It would seem what you want for Canada, would be the same as what you would want for the Middle East. So do you agree that I should be able to build a church anywher in the Middle East and practice Christianity if I wished.
Anyway Sharia law is totally incomptatible with Canadian society!
Watching a CGC special last month, they were interviewing Muslims, there were complaints about Saudi money radicalising the Mosques. What do you think of that. I can give you a Mosque in Calgary that preaches that Westerners are not equal to Muslims. As a Canadian should I accept such hate being preached in Mosques.
Hudd as I told you, when I first started this research on Islam on the internet, it started with sites run by non-Muslims. When I started to discover Muslim sites such as Islamicity, IslamQA and others and it has reinforced my worries about Muslim feeling of us and them when it comes to Westerners. Do you think long term peace is possible in a country where new citiziens aren't integrated due to their religious teachings.
What do you think of some Turkish Muslim scolars who are trying to reform the Hadith, taking out ones that are in conflict with other Hadith,and who are working against the rights of Women.
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/opinion/15108180.htm
Finally what do you think of Muslims asking for public schools seperate from non-Muslims because they believe non-Muslims are dirty. I see what you are saying but it doesn't with what I see in the world around me.
Alexander the Great had the belief for world peace was for all societies to intermarry to eliminate different races, which I once thought would work (when i was a teenager). But unfortunately I believe that if there were no differences, humans would make one up, for example religion
Would you then say that Canada should be a model for the Middle East? It would seem what you want for Canada, would be the same as what you would want for the Middle East. So do you agree that I should be able to build a church anywher in the Middle East and practice Christianity if I wished.
Anyway Sharia law is totally incomptatible with Canadian society!
Watching a CGC special last month, they were interviewing Muslims, there were complaints about Saudi money radicalising the Mosques. What do you think of that. I can give you a Mosque in Calgary that preaches that Westerners are not equal to Muslims. As a Canadian should I accept such hate being preached in Mosques.
Hudd as I told you, when I first started this research on Islam on the internet, it started with sites run by non-Muslims. When I started to discover Muslim sites such as Islamicity, IslamQA and others and it has reinforced my worries about Muslim feeling of us and them when it comes to Westerners. Do you think long term peace is possible in a country where new citiziens aren't integrated due to their religious teachings.
What do you think of some Turkish Muslim scolars who are trying to reform the Hadith, taking out ones that are in conflict with other Hadith,and who are working against the rights of Women.
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/opinion/15108180.htm
Finally what do you think of Muslims asking for public schools seperate from non-Muslims because they believe non-Muslims are dirty. I see what you are saying but it doesn't with what I see in the world around me.
Alexander the Great had the belief for world peace was for all societies to intermarry to eliminate different races, which I once thought would work (when i was a teenager). But unfortunately I believe that if there were no differences, humans would make one up, for example religion
2006-07-26
HUDD FROM CANADA said:
Like I said, Doin Phine, in order for me to be at ease I need to see the white,the black,the brown,the yellow and the red around me. If I see only one colour I start to pannick. Just to see what years of multiculturalism did to me. I believe it's a good thing, as such, like you I believe that there is enough space for all of us regardless of how different we are. Personally, I don't care what government is ruling Canada, be that Conservative, Liberal , Christian, Jewish, Islamic(in a thousand years could be a reality) as long as common citizens have their rights protected and there is no discrimination against any group. All I would care for would be their fairness and their foreign policy which I would like to stay as peace keeping rather than a combatant. As long as a government does not forbid me my religion or the prerequisits to perform my religious duties, as well as does not discriminate against me because of that there is no reason for 'jihad'. Canada is a haven for Muslims from this point of view. However, the situation in the ME is very far from Canadian reality.
If I put an interpretation to your comments is your fault,because you are equivocal and play the bad guy too often. I know down beneath your skin you are not the Fascist you present yourself. You cannot be, you are Canadian, for crying out loud!
I talked about USA in pragmatic terms while Idyllicly about Islam. Reality 98is that in both camps there are people of good faith and people serving the forces of darkness.
I bid you peafce, for now...untill the rise of morn!
If I put an interpretation to your comments is your fault,because you are equivocal and play the bad guy too often. I know down beneath your skin you are not the Fascist you present yourself. You cannot be, you are Canadian, for crying out loud!
I talked about USA in pragmatic terms while Idyllicly about Islam. Reality 98is that in both camps there are people of good faith and people serving the forces of darkness.
I bid you peafce, for now...untill the rise of morn!
2006-07-26
DOIN PHINE said:
I believe that there is room for all in the Middle East. Palestinians and Jews. Shiites and Sunni. Christian and Hindu. And all other religious and non-religious groups. No I don't want/desire/wish/hope for the slaughter of anybody in the Middle East (to Hudd that includes Muslims). Dear Hudd you are putting an interpretation of my comments that is not mine.
Talk of USA as an 'Evil Empire' and the pureness of Islam by you, makes it seem to me that it is you that is making an analysis that is over simplistic. I don't believe anything is pure in a good or evil manner.
Talk of USA as an 'Evil Empire' and the pureness of Islam by you, makes it seem to me that it is you that is making an analysis that is over simplistic. I don't believe anything is pure in a good or evil manner.
2006-07-25
HUDD FROM CANADA said:
Mr WCGault,are you serious in asking what you ask? It really irks me how conditioned people in US are. I will try to answer some of your extraordinary questions.
"I have not found anyone willing to discuss this issue without recounting all of the horror of the past."
You see,this is true in the sense that actions of the past brought the present mistrust,although some would really want a normal life in ME if not the great majority,because of distrust and dark forebodings every side envolved would misinterpret the other party's action/reaction and act in rush.
"I am waiting for someone to say someting that they think might be concidered reasonable to the other side."
It has been already said. Two state solution,meaning a free Palestine, not one under Israeli dominance. That means that if the people of Palestine voted for either an Islamist or a Communist government,that should be the business of the Palestinian people and not that of US or Israel. A Palestine built in the fashion of Israel would be a country suited for Americans or Israelis,we already have that,Israel,Muslims need a country for themselves,Palestine. Jerusalem,should be either devided as it was before,East and West, or become an entity on its own with a special status,like an International city-state. Israel should withdraw from all illegally occupied territories and stay in the frame decided by the UN partition and there and only there,beef up the border gards,provide the army with the most sophisticated defence technology. Israel's neighbours would see her struggle for defence not offence!
"In this country, all we hear from Muslims is death to Israel, Jihad etc. The Jews say that all they want is peace and security. Is that preception correct?"
You have the answer yourself,otherwise you wouldn't ask,which or what Muslims did you listen to? Or did you take as granted what Fox News told you? Look at the numbers,400 Lebanese killed versus 40 Israelis! Who's killing who?
"I have not found anyone willing to discuss this issue without recounting all of the horror of the past."
You see,this is true in the sense that actions of the past brought the present mistrust,although some would really want a normal life in ME if not the great majority,because of distrust and dark forebodings every side envolved would misinterpret the other party's action/reaction and act in rush.
"I am waiting for someone to say someting that they think might be concidered reasonable to the other side."
It has been already said. Two state solution,meaning a free Palestine, not one under Israeli dominance. That means that if the people of Palestine voted for either an Islamist or a Communist government,that should be the business of the Palestinian people and not that of US or Israel. A Palestine built in the fashion of Israel would be a country suited for Americans or Israelis,we already have that,Israel,Muslims need a country for themselves,Palestine. Jerusalem,should be either devided as it was before,East and West, or become an entity on its own with a special status,like an International city-state. Israel should withdraw from all illegally occupied territories and stay in the frame decided by the UN partition and there and only there,beef up the border gards,provide the army with the most sophisticated defence technology. Israel's neighbours would see her struggle for defence not offence!
"In this country, all we hear from Muslims is death to Israel, Jihad etc. The Jews say that all they want is peace and security. Is that preception correct?"
You have the answer yourself,otherwise you wouldn't ask,which or what Muslims did you listen to? Or did you take as granted what Fox News told you? Look at the numbers,400 Lebanese killed versus 40 Israelis! Who's killing who?
2006-07-25
HUDD FROM CANADA said:
Doin Phine,several times you said that you come on this site for discussions. No you don't. You come on this site to forward an Israelo-American agenda in which you strongly believe even though reality is unfolded naked in front of your eyes. It's not that you are blind, it's the shades you use that distort your perception of the truth. USA and Israel for peace? I know people on crack that make more sense than you. You are a vex to us all on this website. Before you even attempt to act the good white boy,wanting to learn and discuss,know something very well. There are certain realities that were proven to Muslims through 6 decades, they will not change and they are the following:
1)USA is an evil empire with an economic and ideologic expantionist agenda. It facilitated the birth of a radical Judaicly based fascist ideology,Zionism. It revive the aspirations of the Jewish people for a secure homeland. Easiest way to do it would have been alotting them a country in one of the USA states, since there was no available place in their ancestral land, the new world would have been the best secure place for them in the shadow of the big brother,USA! But this wouldn't have served the expantionist idea and the control of the ME.
2)The single alternative to the decadent lyfe-style of the Westerners is Islam. It is so pure and attractive that people would follow it en mass!As such,Islam has to be destroyed,not that much the culture but the spirit.Let's face it,an Islam that would follow in the pattern of the western 'democracies',e.g.,Turkey,would not be a challenge to any western government,would it?The solution?Destroy any progressive Islam by bringing any bold Islamic movement under the perfidious umbrella of the common indiscriminate term of Terrorism!Thus the simplistic mind,like yours,Doin Phine can be programmed to perceive the slaughter of the Muslims as war on terror!
These don't change.Therefore your activity on this website is a loss of time. So long!
1)USA is an evil empire with an economic and ideologic expantionist agenda. It facilitated the birth of a radical Judaicly based fascist ideology,Zionism. It revive the aspirations of the Jewish people for a secure homeland. Easiest way to do it would have been alotting them a country in one of the USA states, since there was no available place in their ancestral land, the new world would have been the best secure place for them in the shadow of the big brother,USA! But this wouldn't have served the expantionist idea and the control of the ME.
2)The single alternative to the decadent lyfe-style of the Westerners is Islam. It is so pure and attractive that people would follow it en mass!As such,Islam has to be destroyed,not that much the culture but the spirit.Let's face it,an Islam that would follow in the pattern of the western 'democracies',e.g.,Turkey,would not be a challenge to any western government,would it?The solution?Destroy any progressive Islam by bringing any bold Islamic movement under the perfidious umbrella of the common indiscriminate term of Terrorism!Thus the simplistic mind,like yours,Doin Phine can be programmed to perceive the slaughter of the Muslims as war on terror!
These don't change.Therefore your activity on this website is a loss of time. So long!
2006-07-25
KHAN FROM USA said:
Muslims unite , have an Islamic Union, have own industries, have own trade agreements,and so on..
Till they achieve these ,they have to beg and cry for westerners help. They wont help you.
You have to become strong politically, economically, and militarily and have to defend yourselves and answer the oppression, invasions appropriately so that do not dare to think another attack on your country.
Till they achieve these ,they have to beg and cry for westerners help. They wont help you.
You have to become strong politically, economically, and militarily and have to defend yourselves and answer the oppression, invasions appropriately so that do not dare to think another attack on your country.
2006-07-24
WCGAULT FROM USA said:
I have not found anyone willing to discuss this issue without recounting all of the horror of the past. Perhaps that is only human. But it is also a way to insure continued death and distruction. I am waiting for someone to say someting that they think might be concidered reasonable to the other side. In this country, all we hear from Muslims is death to Israel, Jihad etc. The Jews say that all they want is peace and security. Is that preception correct? Is there a way that Israel can have peace? Are any Muslims willing to insure peace if Israel negotiates? Or, is Muslim society now controled by Jihadists? If so, think what the Jihadists and people like Bin Ladden have given the world, George Bush. If the violence and rhetoric continues to escalate, people like me will continue to be dominated by people that support George Bush?
Someone in the Muslim community has to propose something besides war. If no one does, people like Bush and Bin Laden may well exterminate a large portion of this planets population. The U.S. has a fleet of Ohio class nuclear sumbmarines. Anyone of them could destroy Iran, Iraq, and Syria within thirty minutes. Bush and his people are a reaction to terror. Who knows what happens if the U.S. actually becomes afraid.
Someone in the Muslim community has to propose something besides war. If no one does, people like Bush and Bin Laden may well exterminate a large portion of this planets population. The U.S. has a fleet of Ohio class nuclear sumbmarines. Anyone of them could destroy Iran, Iraq, and Syria within thirty minutes. Bush and his people are a reaction to terror. Who knows what happens if the U.S. actually becomes afraid.
2006-07-23
DOIN PHINE said:
Let me start by saying;
I'm not Jewish,
I'm not American and
I'm not pro-war!
Shan you have given the path for peace and properity for the Middle East. I hope everybody listens to you! The key to winning against a civilized society is to do as Ghandi has so successfully done! Look at India now, it is an emerging success story!
To Alex Goldman, the UN has been openly anti-Jewish, and if not for the Americans, Israel would already have been decimated and millions of innocents killed.
I believe that there is more then enough room for all people in the Middle East including the Jews and the Palestinians. There are forces to be that don't want it resolved, and it is not Israel or the Americans, it is forces (Syria and Iran among others) that want the area to remain unstable so as to create a future war to destroy Israel. Don't look for secret lobbies and wacko theories, when reality is staring you in the face.
I'm not Jewish,
I'm not American and
I'm not pro-war!
Shan you have given the path for peace and properity for the Middle East. I hope everybody listens to you! The key to winning against a civilized society is to do as Ghandi has so successfully done! Look at India now, it is an emerging success story!
To Alex Goldman, the UN has been openly anti-Jewish, and if not for the Americans, Israel would already have been decimated and millions of innocents killed.
I believe that there is more then enough room for all people in the Middle East including the Jews and the Palestinians. There are forces to be that don't want it resolved, and it is not Israel or the Americans, it is forces (Syria and Iran among others) that want the area to remain unstable so as to create a future war to destroy Israel. Don't look for secret lobbies and wacko theories, when reality is staring you in the face.
2006-07-23
M EPAMINONDA FROM TEXAS, USA said:
Shan, by your logic, since we are a Judeo-Christian country, given our history is seeped in blood and our country built on a foundation of bones and corpses of countles slaughtered native Red Indians, Mexicans and Blacks and in modern times, 600,000 innocent Japanese civilians, 320,000 Afghans, 500,000 Iraqi children through our economic sanctions and 475,000 through our "smart-bombs" (which are somehow made smart enough to ensure innocent civilians are massacred) and through our proxy, Israel, thousands of Palestinians and now Syrians. I would say we look for another religion, because through our Judeo-Christian values we have depopulated half the world and continue doing so. You say make love not war? Well we Americans and Israelis are too busy killing others to make time to make love and when we do we break records there too- the only country with the worst case of child sex abouse, rampant homosexuality, entire Israeli batallions indicted for raping children and even murdering Palestinians children as young as 5 after raping them. And when we get tired of that there are always the animals. So which religion are you going to adhere to Shan
2006-07-23
ALI FROM USA said:
Mr Mohamad Arshad,
Re: Your post no. 38880. The point is there was no justice done when the Arab lands were forcibly taken away from them and given to the Europeans simply by the stroke of pen of Mr Truman and Britain. The Jews were living throughout the Middle East.
The European Jews were rightly entitled to their own land in Europe and Italy as a compensation for attrocities commited against them by the Christian countries during the Holocaust and pogroms, and because the Romans drew them out of Palestine.
Re: Your post no. 38880. The point is there was no justice done when the Arab lands were forcibly taken away from them and given to the Europeans simply by the stroke of pen of Mr Truman and Britain. The Jews were living throughout the Middle East.
The European Jews were rightly entitled to their own land in Europe and Italy as a compensation for attrocities commited against them by the Christian countries during the Holocaust and pogroms, and because the Romans drew them out of Palestine.
2006-07-22
SRILA FROM USA said:
although I agree with the article, I want to ask, why dont muslims, or arabs DO anything ......why are we ALWAYS asking the US to do soemthing, or now Isreal, or now womeoOTHER ionternaitonal organization. Because Muslims dont want to get off their cushy little cushion of Islamic elegance, oh Allah will do everythi gofr us. And so they keep asking, Why dont the US do something......when they stop asking that queisotn that will be the answer. REcognize theya re a different religion, a different side. their opinions, their sides, will always be different. Get used to it. Do something else. LIke teach people about Islam or something more porductive. Than just taking from the US productivity and then hating it when it is convenient. Do something . Teach Islam. Give us somethin gof value.
2006-07-22
SHAN FROM USA said:
I agree with Doin Phine. I don't think Israel had a choice. With such little land and so many enemies, the thought of attach from any side must be frightening. Listen, we can debate this as long as we want, but the bottom line is that arms must be laid down. You cannot be a peaceful organization (as hamas and hezbollah claims) with names that have "GOD" in it and yet kill and kidnap people no matter what the enemy does. Take a picture from Gandhi who eradicated the british with NON-VIOLENCE and listen to what the bible says about turning your other cheek if someone slaps you. Wake up people, don't use the name of Islam to pick up arms? DISASSOCIATE yourself with any religious organization who picks up arms and kidnaps and condemn them. Then people will have more respect for your religion. I personally am ashamed of the crusades, ashamed of killers in the name of christianity and I wish for them to all be eradicated. The same should be coming form the muslims. Disassociate yourself from Hezbollah, Hamas, Syria, Iran. Then make points against Israel, and other counrties who you feel abuse you. You cannot assiciate with the with rogues who carry guns and ask for peace. My image of Hezbollah and Hamas is rocket carrying fellas and women with covered faces, calling for the destruction of another country.
2006-07-22
ALEX GOLDMAN FROM TRENTON, NJ, USA said:
Doin Phine have you ever heard of Israel abiding by any one of the 224 UN resolutions? Every UN reolution related to the extension of UN peacekeeping mandates in the Middle East which comprise over half of Security Council resolutions, have been openly flouted by Israel with the veto support of the US. Here are a few:
-to allow displaced Palestinians in the northern demilitarized zones to return to their homes; -rescind all measures to change the status of Jerusalem;
-to withdraw from the territories occupied in
1967;
-to cease construction of illegal Jewish colonies in the 1967 occupied Palestinian territories
-to cease deportation of Palestinians from the 1967 occupied Palestinian territories and allow their return;
-to abide by legal obligations and responsibilities set forth in the 4th Geneva Conventions; and,
-to withdraw from all Palestinian cities and return to areas held pre-September 2000; and
-to cooperate with the fact-finding mission established by the UN Secretary General to investigate violations of international humanitarian law and human rights law in the Jenin refugee camp in April 2002.
These are just a few that Israel openly disregards and we Americans with our veto power enable Israel to do so, and yet have the shame and arrogance to question why Lebanon did not heed UN calls to remove Syrian troops? Can you see now why we and the Israelis wanted the Syrians out of Lebanon, so that the invasion would be a cake walk. Too bad Lebanon did insist on the withdrawal of Syrian troops, because if they had not, Israel would not be in Lebanon today killing and slaughtering children and women. You amaze me Doin Phine, are you wilfully ignorant or just not bright enough?
-to allow displaced Palestinians in the northern demilitarized zones to return to their homes; -rescind all measures to change the status of Jerusalem;
-to withdraw from the territories occupied in
1967;
-to cease construction of illegal Jewish colonies in the 1967 occupied Palestinian territories
-to cease deportation of Palestinians from the 1967 occupied Palestinian territories and allow their return;
-to abide by legal obligations and responsibilities set forth in the 4th Geneva Conventions; and,
-to withdraw from all Palestinian cities and return to areas held pre-September 2000; and
-to cooperate with the fact-finding mission established by the UN Secretary General to investigate violations of international humanitarian law and human rights law in the Jenin refugee camp in April 2002.
These are just a few that Israel openly disregards and we Americans with our veto power enable Israel to do so, and yet have the shame and arrogance to question why Lebanon did not heed UN calls to remove Syrian troops? Can you see now why we and the Israelis wanted the Syrians out of Lebanon, so that the invasion would be a cake walk. Too bad Lebanon did insist on the withdrawal of Syrian troops, because if they had not, Israel would not be in Lebanon today killing and slaughtering children and women. You amaze me Doin Phine, are you wilfully ignorant or just not bright enough?
2006-07-22
MICHAEL GARAFALO FROM NEW YORK, USA said:
Well at least now we know who murdered the ex-Lebanese PM, Hariri, and why. Even a child could see now that it was a joint Israeli/US effort to murder Hariri and pin the blame on the Syrians and use the pretext to ensure UN resolutions were passed calling for Syria to remove their forces from Lebanon, leaving Lebanon undefended for an easy chery-pick invasion for the Israelis. With the US supplying any and all weapons to Israel one does not have to be a rocket scientist to see that this was a joint effort by the two and the intention is to remove not just Hizbollah, but eliminate, Syria, Iran, Jordan, Turkey and Pakistan. Because of the nature of my job, I can tell you for Israeli this adventure is not just planned to secure and expand Israel, but to secure the valuable Water resources of Turkey and and Oil of Iran. I am simplay amazed that we Americans have the audacity to lay claim to higher moral ground, when the mutilated and mangled corpses of thousands upon thousands of children in Lebanon and Iraq and Afghanistan bear witness to our moral corruption and craven thirst for blood and gore. By some fantastically stupid logic the American public is led to believe that God is on our side. I can see now Jesus holding the bloody corpse of a dead child as a trophy for Christianity. A very holy image the Evangelists would say. I say these evil fiends are the devils talked about in the Bible and Koran, who will murder, kill and cause widespread destruction and misery, while hiding under the banner of religion. No I think if Jesus was around today, he would lead an army against the US, Israel and UK. When you look like garbage and smell like garbage you are garbage, no matter how high you hold the cross or the star of david. God's wrath will come. It is just a matter of time.
2006-07-22
H.A. FROM YATHRIB said:
Here we go agian. Sir Doin Phine is NOT DOING FINE at all here at this website. He is having hard time handling the truth.
Sir Doin Phine! One man's insult is another man's truth
Why is he complaining about Hezbollah? Hezobllah is doing hte right thing: kicking out the zionist from the occupied land. They should be praised.
Doesn't sir Doin Phine know that Israel and its occupaiton is the mother of all the problems in the Middle East? And the United States is the #1 terrorist state in the world today supporting Israel to carry out its terrotist acts for last 55 years?
People like Doin Phine ignore the facts and just love to run their mouth as they please. And complains when they can't handle the truth. Very sad individual!
Soln: I URGE SYRIA, LEBANON and all the countries in the MIDDLE EAST to develop NUKES as fast as you can. THIS IS ONLY TO WAY TO SHUT UP U.S, Israel, and sir Doin Phine. Do you know why the U.S. does NOT mess with Russia? And Why the U.S. is afraid to engage in direct confrontation with North Korea? IT'S THE FEAR OF NUKES.
Sir Doin Phine! One man's insult is another man's truth
Why is he complaining about Hezbollah? Hezobllah is doing hte right thing: kicking out the zionist from the occupied land. They should be praised.
Doesn't sir Doin Phine know that Israel and its occupaiton is the mother of all the problems in the Middle East? And the United States is the #1 terrorist state in the world today supporting Israel to carry out its terrotist acts for last 55 years?
People like Doin Phine ignore the facts and just love to run their mouth as they please. And complains when they can't handle the truth. Very sad individual!
Soln: I URGE SYRIA, LEBANON and all the countries in the MIDDLE EAST to develop NUKES as fast as you can. THIS IS ONLY TO WAY TO SHUT UP U.S, Israel, and sir Doin Phine. Do you know why the U.S. does NOT mess with Russia? And Why the U.S. is afraid to engage in direct confrontation with North Korea? IT'S THE FEAR OF NUKES.
2006-07-22
MOHAMMAD ARSHAD FROM USA said:
since the great Holocaust,Jews have suufered to much that still Israel is surrounded by Fascist Arabs. these Arab nations not only hate Jews but they hate any non arab especially third world country's human being dose not matter which religion he belongs. this catastrphe is due to Israel being lonely and insecure in midst of rich arab facist nations.
2006-07-22
ROMESH CHANDER FROM USA said:
To Fatima:
You write "I am very angry with the way the world is not helping we should stand up and help our muslim umah".
Give me one good reason why should the world get involved in this mess; after all, no arab country (not to talk of any muslim country) has come to help Lebanon. If muslims don't, then do you expect others to come to your help?
If US gets involved, it will make a biggger mess. Looks like, muslims will have to solve their own problems themselves.
You write "I am very angry with the way the world is not helping we should stand up and help our muslim umah".
Give me one good reason why should the world get involved in this mess; after all, no arab country (not to talk of any muslim country) has come to help Lebanon. If muslims don't, then do you expect others to come to your help?
If US gets involved, it will make a biggger mess. Looks like, muslims will have to solve their own problems themselves.
2006-07-22
HUDD FROM CANADA said:
Bruce Reece,..
You and your work partners are Australians, what is there to be expected? From all the British Commonwealth, Australia was a common dump place for criminals, less educated, less endowed, less intelligent. I don't wonder over your state of mind, I am puzzled over Canadians like Doin Phine to be as simplistic in judgement and shallow in insight as you Aussies.
Rocketing of Israel is minor, 25 dead versus 300, do the maths, body!
What pain and suffering to the Western world are you talking about? How many did the USA and the coalition kill by now or were killed as a result of Western occupation? Try millions. How many Westerners die every day in the West at the hands of Islamists? Are you on mushrooms, my friend? Are you so very much bereft of the faculty of thinking that you cannot discern reality?
"Miss Kathleen Christison, please go and live in Iran with the people you love so dearly."
What kind of puerile antic is this? "go live in Iran" Miss Kathleen Christison is a free citizen of a Western Democracy, she lives where she pleases,like it or not and part of her charter of freedoms she can have her own likenesses and dislikenesses and those do not necessarily mean to match yours. Are you somehow a child finding yourself on this website by mistake? I wouldn't think you were more than 10.
Go to sleep buddy, before your parents catch on the computer!
You and your work partners are Australians, what is there to be expected? From all the British Commonwealth, Australia was a common dump place for criminals, less educated, less endowed, less intelligent. I don't wonder over your state of mind, I am puzzled over Canadians like Doin Phine to be as simplistic in judgement and shallow in insight as you Aussies.
Rocketing of Israel is minor, 25 dead versus 300, do the maths, body!
What pain and suffering to the Western world are you talking about? How many did the USA and the coalition kill by now or were killed as a result of Western occupation? Try millions. How many Westerners die every day in the West at the hands of Islamists? Are you on mushrooms, my friend? Are you so very much bereft of the faculty of thinking that you cannot discern reality?
"Miss Kathleen Christison, please go and live in Iran with the people you love so dearly."
What kind of puerile antic is this? "go live in Iran" Miss Kathleen Christison is a free citizen of a Western Democracy, she lives where she pleases,like it or not and part of her charter of freedoms she can have her own likenesses and dislikenesses and those do not necessarily mean to match yours. Are you somehow a child finding yourself on this website by mistake? I wouldn't think you were more than 10.
Go to sleep buddy, before your parents catch on the computer!
2006-07-22
DOIN PHINE said:
To Alex, thanks for the info, but why do people like to insult so much on this site, I'm here to discuss not insult.
Let me check up on your info. Do you have an answer for my second question on why the Lebanese gov't didnt eradicate Hizbolloh according to UN resolutins?
Can you give me more info on who these kidnapies are. Thanks.
Let me check up on your info. Do you have an answer for my second question on why the Lebanese gov't didnt eradicate Hizbolloh according to UN resolutins?
Can you give me more info on who these kidnapies are. Thanks.
2006-07-21
PAUL BERGER FROM NEW YORK, USA said:
A very sobering lesson is to be learnt from the Israeli mayhem, slaughter and destruction of Lebanon. These were a people who prided in calling themselves a "friendly, pro-US, pro-Israel, secular pseudo-Muslim state". No matter how "Anglo-Christian" you try to be, if you are a Muslim State, it is only a matter of time before the Israel/US/UK axis of evil, destroys you, because you are an easy target. Had the Jewish/Christian coalition known that they would have to pay in blood for any action in Lebanon, they would never have ventured. Lebanon is just a stepping stone. Iran, Syria and even Jordan are well in the plan. Countries like Turkey and Pakistan should take heed. A blonde wig will not save you. Be yourself, be proud of your religion and heritage and be prepared to fight tooth and nail for it. But alas there is no unity amongst Muslims. Pakistanis are busy trying to ape and catch up with the Indians and Turkey is bending over backwards to appease the EU in trying to establish its "Eurocentricity". Islam has been given a back seat and idiotic nationalism reigns in these countries. Soon they too will be gone and all their pro-US, pro-Israel, pro-West posturing will not help. Don't they get it? the Christian/Jewish agenda for world order does not in any way include any Muslim sate in any viable form whatsoever. Sad, Muslims sleep while Muslims die, sadder still is the knowledege that they could stop it all with a united front. But unity amongst Muslims is a rare commodity.
2006-07-21
B ANTONUCCIO FROM NEW YORK, USA said:
I am not so surprised at the fact that Israel is helped in its insane aggression by our law makers, both Republicans and Democrats and by the silence of the world and even the UN and EU at the unimaginable massacre of innocent civilian Muslims in Lebanon, what in fact shocks me is that for all the resources Muslim countries have in the world, not one has had the guts to stand up to Israel in defense of their fellow Lenanese Muslims. Saudi Arabia could turn off the oil tap to the US and Europe and Pakistan could use its nuclear knowledge as a bargaining weapon or at least to strengthen the Muslim world. But sadly that is not the case. Muslims are chopped up while Muslims look on and do nothing. Where are the Muslims?
2006-07-21
VOICEOFREASON FROM USA said:
Most logical sane people with an atoms worth of humanity left in them can agree that, the entity known as Israel is one of the most wretched brutal, criminal terrorist organizations in existance right now. It has forgotten that yesterday it was the oppressed, ghetto dwelling outcast who was percieved as subhuman garbage. Now it have taken to immitating its previous masters. Every action taken by this terror group can make a nazi proud, and to top it all off, they have no claim to the nation of Palestine. What we have today are a bunch of bible weilding clinically insane psychopaths running the show in every branch of the goverment, who will support "israel" even if it was proven that each Israeli starts his or her day by eating a live baby. Nothing matters but the fullfillment of an absurd outdated, most likely missinterpreted prophecy, which has no place in the modern world. The prophecy being that Christ wont come down with his angels to oooh and aww the world, unless the temple is rebuilt. The temple cant be rebuilt due to slight problem..the original inhabitants of that region, namely the Palestinians. This isnt some obscure theory, this is a fundemental christian belief. If christ really was sitting up there in heaven and watching this muderous theater taking place and saying "u know.. i refuse to go down there YET, let more people die, let the world go to hell...as long as the bloody temple is rebuilt THEN i will go down", i would suggest a few years in a nice padded room and a priscription for anti-psychotics.
2006-07-21
AHMED ASGHER FROM BAHRAIN said:
as usual blame it on hizbullah and muslims. no one wishes to see that israel is an apartheid country that has been built on stolen land. no where in history a us president can tell millions of refugees to forget about returning to their homes as geneve convention gives such right to any refugee forced to flee their home beuse of war. but since this is a jews only land arabs can go to hell and who cares. this has been the case for the last 50 years and all the zionist pr machinery have made sure the truth is supressed. but people like kathleen christison know best despite our friend here accusing her of ignorance because she was a cia operative and an american who has heart. you should visit counterpunch.com to see more of her views and those who know better than just read and be influenced by zionist controlled american media. shame on you who profess to be a democracy yet delight in shelling the innocent just because they are arabs! read, read and read. educate yourself with the history and have an open mind and heart. guess that is too much to ask for! hence such unjust war will go on whilst a bush and co. choose to remain silenct. all i can say israel would never do such a thing without the full backing of the us.
2006-07-21
ALI FROM USA said:
Doin Phine,
A correction: the virus is Not Hezbollah. The virus is Israel. It has infected the region since 1948. Who spread the virus? USA and Britain. If justice were to be truly served, the European Jews would have been given a country carved out of a prime real estate in Germany and other European countries as a punishment to Germans and Europeans for their attrocious treatment of Jews during Holocaust and all the Pogroms inflicted upon Jews in the Christian Europe.
Doin Phine, if you had any modicum of justice within you, you would agree that the Europeans got away with murder while the Palestinians are left without the lands their grandparents tended orchards in.
Have a good day.
A correction: the virus is Not Hezbollah. The virus is Israel. It has infected the region since 1948. Who spread the virus? USA and Britain. If justice were to be truly served, the European Jews would have been given a country carved out of a prime real estate in Germany and other European countries as a punishment to Germans and Europeans for their attrocious treatment of Jews during Holocaust and all the Pogroms inflicted upon Jews in the Christian Europe.
Doin Phine, if you had any modicum of justice within you, you would agree that the Europeans got away with murder while the Palestinians are left without the lands their grandparents tended orchards in.
Have a good day.
2006-07-21
FATIMA FROM UNITED STATES said:
I am very angry with the way the world is not helping we should stand up and help our muslim umah come on now we helped with katrina and all other things now we should help lebanon
2006-07-21
MARK MCPHERSON FROM STAMFORD, CT, USA said:
What confounds me is not just the insensitivity of the American public to the slaughter of countless Muslims and Arabs, innocent men, women and children, and the destruction of their homes and cities at the hands of Israelis, but the absurd sympathy our media whips up when a single Israeli Jew is killed. Time and time again, CNN intentionally refers to Muslims and Arabs killed as "People" while dead Israelis and Jews are referred to as "Civilians". It is very interesting how US media plays with words and images all to negate and block the blatant murder of Muslims and Arabs by Israel. I am indeed ashamed that we Americans not only buy into the absolute lies and rubbish spewed by Bush, whom the entire world now knows to be an utterly hopeless imbecile, but sadly we slurp up any news story our media puts out which is all structured to make the American public to believe that the bad guys are Muslims and Arabs and the good guys are Jews and Israeis. In spite of all our wealth, power, education and standing, I often wonder, please God, why are we a nation of fools?
2006-07-21
SAAD FROM U.S.A. said:
BismiAllah Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim
Mr. Bruce Reece, what have the "Arabs who bring so much pain and suffering to the Western World," done which is different than what the Western World has done to the Arabs/Middle East? The founding of Israel due to the Zionist, Jewish, and Christian ideologies, which the Muslims do not agree with but had them forced upon them, the two wars in Iraq have caused a great deal of pain to the Arabs; we may also be getting ready for a war in Iran, which I suppose the evil Iranian citizenry deserves, just like the Lebanese people presently.
Also, ask yourself why the rocketing of Israel, etc. occur. It may actually not be because the Palestinian muslim people are terrorsits who want to kill the infidels and make the whole world Muslim. It may just have to do with fighting for one's own human dignity, rights, and land which are being infringed upon so brutally by the Israelis. Please put yourself in their shoes; they are killed, imprisoned, deprived of many things such as electricity, water, food, work, an ability to move freely within one's land, etc. I don't know about you, but if I lived with the Palestinians in the West Bank or Gaza, I wouldn't just sit there and let the Israeli's occupy my land and treat me so brutally.
Salaam
Mr. Bruce Reece, what have the "Arabs who bring so much pain and suffering to the Western World," done which is different than what the Western World has done to the Arabs/Middle East? The founding of Israel due to the Zionist, Jewish, and Christian ideologies, which the Muslims do not agree with but had them forced upon them, the two wars in Iraq have caused a great deal of pain to the Arabs; we may also be getting ready for a war in Iran, which I suppose the evil Iranian citizenry deserves, just like the Lebanese people presently.
Also, ask yourself why the rocketing of Israel, etc. occur. It may actually not be because the Palestinian muslim people are terrorsits who want to kill the infidels and make the whole world Muslim. It may just have to do with fighting for one's own human dignity, rights, and land which are being infringed upon so brutally by the Israelis. Please put yourself in their shoes; they are killed, imprisoned, deprived of many things such as electricity, water, food, work, an ability to move freely within one's land, etc. I don't know about you, but if I lived with the Palestinians in the West Bank or Gaza, I wouldn't just sit there and let the Israeli's occupy my land and treat me so brutally.
Salaam
2006-07-21
ALEX FROM USA said:
Mr. Doing Phine as usual you have your facts wrong. Please go back and read the news sequence.
Let me enlighten you ..
1. In response to routine kidnapping of Lebanese people Hizbollah captures 2 Israeli soldiers
2. Israel starts bombing civilian infrastructure across Lebanon, including the international airport in Beirut.
3. Only then Hizbollah starts launching rockets at Israel
With your head stuck in the sand no wonder you think you are Doing Phine.
Let me enlighten you ..
1. In response to routine kidnapping of Lebanese people Hizbollah captures 2 Israeli soldiers
2. Israel starts bombing civilian infrastructure across Lebanon, including the international airport in Beirut.
3. Only then Hizbollah starts launching rockets at Israel
With your head stuck in the sand no wonder you think you are Doing Phine.
2006-07-21
PAAGLE FROM USA said:
This article presents half the equation. Both sides have gone mad. If it were up to the Arab Muslims the Jews of Israel would have likely been slaughtered any time between 1948 and the present. If they were not slaughtered, they would have been made (or remained) second-class citizens, humiliated as the Palestinians are humiliated, vulnerable to the whims of those that consider them inferior. Yes the Israelies are going mad. But they are being driven there by the sea of religously inspired madness in which they live.
Many Muslims on this site will agree with the author, but note that agreeing with one of the paragraphs has unsettling implications for the many of you who would like to see Islam as the dominant religion in many or all countries of the world:
A nation that mandates the primacy of one ethnicity or religion over all others will eventually become psychologically dysfunctional. Narcissistically obsessed with its own image, it must strive to maintain its racial superiority at all costs and will inevitably come to view any resistance to this imagined superiority as an existential threat. Indeed, any other people automatically becomes an existential threat simply by virtue of its own existence. As it seeks to protect itself against phantom threats, the racist state becomes increasingly paranoid, its society closed and insular, intellectually limited. Setbacks enrage it; humiliations madden it. The state lashes out in a crazed effort, lacking any sense of proportion, to reassure itself of its strength.
How well that describes a country under Islam. Modern communications speed the maddening process. A Muslim in the middle ages could happily believe that all the world that mattered was safely under Islam or would be absorbed soon. Today no Muslim could believe such a thing. Hence the madness.
A pox on both your houses (Israel and the Muslims of Arabia and Persia)
Many Muslims on this site will agree with the author, but note that agreeing with one of the paragraphs has unsettling implications for the many of you who would like to see Islam as the dominant religion in many or all countries of the world:
A nation that mandates the primacy of one ethnicity or religion over all others will eventually become psychologically dysfunctional. Narcissistically obsessed with its own image, it must strive to maintain its racial superiority at all costs and will inevitably come to view any resistance to this imagined superiority as an existential threat. Indeed, any other people automatically becomes an existential threat simply by virtue of its own existence. As it seeks to protect itself against phantom threats, the racist state becomes increasingly paranoid, its society closed and insular, intellectually limited. Setbacks enrage it; humiliations madden it. The state lashes out in a crazed effort, lacking any sense of proportion, to reassure itself of its strength.
How well that describes a country under Islam. Modern communications speed the maddening process. A Muslim in the middle ages could happily believe that all the world that mattered was safely under Islam or would be absorbed soon. Today no Muslim could believe such a thing. Hence the madness.
A pox on both your houses (Israel and the Muslims of Arabia and Persia)
2006-07-21
DOIN PHINE said:
First let me state that I believe that war is
1. Terrible
2. Undesirable
3. Hell
4. Stupid
5. Wasteful and,
6. Sometimes unavoidable
Who started this War, that is now going on in Lebanon. It is Hezbollah. They started shooting rockets into Israel first. Everybody can agree to this point. Israel left Lebanon after 18 years of occupation, and I believe sincerely that they didn't and don't want to go back in. So why in heck did Hezbollah do this, because I don't know.
If Israel shot rockets into Lebanon first I would say they were trying to start a war, but they retaliated, so they didnt start it, they joined the enemy into combat. If they didn't they would of have to accept missle attacks killing their civilians, from an enemy that did this WITHOUT provocation.
It is extremely unfortunate that Israel is attacking Hizbollah inside of Lebanon, but from my vantage point, I don't see any other alternatives Israel.
I feel sad for Lebanon a country trying to get back on its feet, infected with a virus called Hizballoh, that is controlled and financed by Syria and Iran. It seems to me that Lebanon should be mad at Iran and Syria along with Israel. Lebanon is a victim and I wish they didnt have to be put thru this agony. But hopefully it will be cured of its virus.
I would like to know why however Lebanon has not itself cleaned itself of this disease called Hizbollah. Hizbollah is nothing but provocateurs for the countries of Iran and Syria.
There is room for ALL in the Middle East including the Palestinians, and the Jews. There is room for Sunni and Shiite. There is room for the Christians, and even if I may add for the Atheists. Lets all just get along!
Make love not war!
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1. Terrible
2. Undesirable
3. Hell
4. Stupid
5. Wasteful and,
6. Sometimes unavoidable
Who started this War, that is now going on in Lebanon. It is Hezbollah. They started shooting rockets into Israel first. Everybody can agree to this point. Israel left Lebanon after 18 years of occupation, and I believe sincerely that they didn't and don't want to go back in. So why in heck did Hezbollah do this, because I don't know.
If Israel shot rockets into Lebanon first I would say they were trying to start a war, but they retaliated, so they didnt start it, they joined the enemy into combat. If they didn't they would of have to accept missle attacks killing their civilians, from an enemy that did this WITHOUT provocation.
It is extremely unfortunate that Israel is attacking Hizbollah inside of Lebanon, but from my vantage point, I don't see any other alternatives Israel.
I feel sad for Lebanon a country trying to get back on its feet, infected with a virus called Hizballoh, that is controlled and financed by Syria and Iran. It seems to me that Lebanon should be mad at Iran and Syria along with Israel. Lebanon is a victim and I wish they didnt have to be put thru this agony. But hopefully it will be cured of its virus.
I would like to know why however Lebanon has not itself cleaned itself of this disease called Hizbollah. Hizbollah is nothing but provocateurs for the countries of Iran and Syria.
There is room for ALL in the Middle East including the Palestinians, and the Jews. There is room for Sunni and Shiite. There is room for the Christians, and even if I may add for the Atheists. Lets all just get along!
Make love not war!
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2006-07-20
FAUZIA RIZVI FROM USA said:
i hope And wish people around the world especially in US realize whats a big tragedy this is !!
2006-07-20
ROMESH CHANDER FROM USA said:
This is war; what did you expect? Love and flowers!.
You fight with the deadliest weapons you have in your arsenal. Is that not what Iraqi insurgents doing in Iraq (unfortunately to their own people) -- indiscriminate killing. Well, that is what Israel is doing. That is exactly what happended in Beslan. Have you forgotten Beslan? How could you? There was no enemy there unless you consider school children as your enemy? Have you forgotten Hama? Well, Syria blasted the whole village, killed something like 25,000 of their own people.
Please stop crying. Nobody cares for crying people.
You fight with the deadliest weapons you have in your arsenal. Is that not what Iraqi insurgents doing in Iraq (unfortunately to their own people) -- indiscriminate killing. Well, that is what Israel is doing. That is exactly what happended in Beslan. Have you forgotten Beslan? How could you? There was no enemy there unless you consider school children as your enemy? Have you forgotten Hama? Well, Syria blasted the whole village, killed something like 25,000 of their own people.
Please stop crying. Nobody cares for crying people.
2006-07-20
BRUCE REECE FROM AUSTRALIA said:
Being Australian, and looking at the issues from over here (and reading many other news articles on the conflict), it is sure that Kathleen Christison has not idea of both sides of the conflict. I, nor any of my work partners here, see one mention of the rocketing of Iseael, not one work against the Arabs who bring so much pain and suffering to the Western World.
Miss Kathleen Christison, please go and live in Iran with the people you love so dearly.
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Miss Kathleen Christison, please go and live in Iran with the people you love so dearly.
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2006-07-20
H.A. FROM YATHRIB said:
Adolf Bush and Adolf Zionists and Adolf Americans need to read this story and see the images. Very sad group of people (the Zionists and the Americans) living on Earth. They are the mujrimuns (the criminals, the worst of created beings).
There is no ESCAPE from the punishment. Just let the clock do its ticking. The punishment is coming...
There is no ESCAPE from the punishment. Just let the clock do its ticking. The punishment is coming...
2006-07-20
