We like making sweeping declarations about freedom of speech but that right is fettered by laws of libel and hate, and other factors.
In newspapers, cartoons are routinely rejected for reasons of taste or because they may be unfair or unnecessarily hurtful. A good editor errs on the side of pushing the limits of freedom. But on occasion, she says no.
The artist may not like the call but must live with it. The drawing is his but the space in which it is to run is the newspaper's.
The Star's legendary cartoonist Dunc Macpherson once argued that I was misguided to have axed his day's work on the basis that his premise was all wrong. "Artists are not bound by facts," he growled. But the paper is, I said.
The Danish paper that invoked freedom of speech to justify caricaturing the Prophet Muhammad is, thus, only half right. But let's say that it did have an absolute right. Equally, though, Muslims had a right to be offended. Defenders of the first principle have had difficulty acknowledging the second.
"Why the fuss? These are only cartoons," many said of the Arab boycott of Danish products.
The peaceful consumer revolt was a legitimate response (until overtaken by gun-toting hotheads issuing dire warnings).
Yet many Europeans derided the boycott, with the unmistakable underlying message: "We can treat you the way we want and thou shall shut up."
Those days are gone. Still, why do Muslims react so strongly?
By now, readers know that Islam forbids depictions of the Prophet. Non-Muslims can no more mock that than Muslims can deride some aspect of the Christian or Jewish faith.
Imagery was not the only problem with the Danish cartoons. They were insulting, which is, of course, the point of a cartoon. But they also portrayed the Prophet as a terrorist and, by extension, all Muslims, thereby engendering hate against them.
The drawings were hurtful to a people who are, arguably, more attached to their prophet than others may be to theirs.
Each time they say his name, Muslims invoke "peace and blessings" on Muhammad. Nearly 4 million visit his grave in Saudi Arabia every year.
But more than religion, it is geo-politics, past and present, that hangs over the controversy.
|A cartoon Thursday in the al-Quds newspaper showed an artist at work at Jyllands-Posten. In the first panel, he rejects a grotesque drawing of a black person: "This is racism." He rejects the second, which equated the Cross of David with the swastika: "This is anti-Semitism." He keeps the longer third panel, of the Prophet's cartoons: "This is freedom of speech."
When Muhammad appeared 600 years after Christ, Europe saw him as an impostor and a false prophet. Pope Innocent III called him the Antichrist. Dante consigned him to the ninth of the 10 ditches of the Inferno. Voltaire, Gibbon, Bacon and others demonized him as the Prince of Darkness or the Beast of the Apocalypse or Mahound.
Such characterizations were used in more muted forms by European colonialists occupying Muslim lands. The bigoted imagery had begun to subside during our contemporary era, only to be resurrected after 9/11.
Go to any bookstore in a European city and you will see anti-Muslim tracts selling well.
Europe's 20 million Muslims have borne the brunt of this Islamophobia, from rightwing anti-immigrant parties and conservative media. Here's a sample from the Danish People's Party: "Muslims who come here reject our culture. Muslim immigration is a way for Muslims to conquer us, just as they have done for the past 1,400 years."
Add to all this some contemporary realities affecting Muslims.
Iraq was illegally and unjustly invaded and remains occupied, with contemptuous disregard for Iraqi lives. Palestinians have just been warned they may be starved because they dared to elect Hamas. Iran is being isolated over its nuclear intentions, even though it has not violated the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty it has signed, while non-signatories Israel and India enjoy full American backing.
The arguments for and against those policies aside, there's no doubt that they have left Arabs/Muslims feeling under siege.
They see double standards in the Danish affair as well.
A cartoon Thursday in the al-Quds newspaper showed an artist at work at Jyllands-Posten. In the first panel, he rejects a grotesque drawing of a black person: "This is racism." He rejects the second, which equated the Cross of David with the swastika: "This is anti-Semitism." He keeps the longer third panel, of the Prophet's cartoons: "This is freedom of speech."
Conversely, the criticism from Arabs/Muslims has sounded hypocritical, given their own intolerance and an ongoing anti-Israeli polemic. Much of that is encouraged by unelected, despotic governments keen on diverting domestic anger abroad.
This context shows there is a great deal of mutual ignorance. However, it does not prove any inherent incompatibility between Muslims and non-Muslims, as extremists on both sides would have us believe.
I found a response to this issue, on a Muslim website that seems very reasonable.
I've also been thinking about the death that has happened because of these cartoons. Especially after someone on BBC News World mentioned that they thought some right wing Fascist type people on both sides seem to be manipulating and adding fuel to the fire to cause this crisis. (It was the one with Prince Hassan of Jordan.)
Could it be that there are very sinister forces at work here trying to divide, so that they can gain power or influence?
And could it be that these sinister and opposing forces knowingingly or not are actually serving a bigger evil that wants mankind to kill itself off?
I can hear the athiests and the scientific people laughing and maybe they are right.
However if you are Christian or you are Muslim and don't follow what the prophets taught, and as such help the enemy of all the prophets then you belong to that enemy.
We all have a consience we know right from wrong. Lets not let our weaknesses be the assets of our prophets' enemy.
I am confident that the forces of reason and goodness will prevail.
Peace be with you and your families.
As such, I consider the sanctions imposed by USA as the main cause of the death of the Iraqi children. Before the sunctions Iraqi children had only one problem: obesity. The embargo was cruel and unnecessary. It served no purpose but the distruction of a great people. I wouldn't say Saddam killed hundred of thousands, but more like thousands. More than one but less than ten. However as once I opined about the claimed number of dead in the WWII Holocaust. It doesn't really matter whether it was 2 or 6 million. What matters is the manner in which they were compelled to die. It seems that the public at large is influenced by astronomical numbers. The world is not a theatre. After the play is over the actors won't get up and continue with their lives,but be for ever dead(untill the Day of Reckoning).
Don't forget Saddam Hussein was USA's ally. Ask Rumsfeld.
I think that there is a lot of common ground between what the Christians and Muslim believe with regard to how offensive violence is to God.
I believe that together we can agree on this and since I haven't seen any opposing view I am going to assume that this forum generally agrees with this.
Does it not seem illogical for a believer in Islam to offend Muhammad by being violent against a non-believer because he offends Muhammad.
BTW don't worry about my belief in Jesus as my way to salvation because this is a question of faith. I did however stumble unto the following link:
In this video a Christian that I am not very familiar with quotes from the Quaran Sura 10:94, 5:44 among others. He says that Quaran instructs Muslims to read the previous scriptures (Torah and New Testament). Maybe if you do, you will understand why to us Jesus is more than a prophet.
Peace be with you,
I feel you and I hope that you are honest in your quest. In light of this sentiment, I'll try to bridge over to you.
Regarding Jesus of Nazareth,peace be upon him, he delivered the message God intrusted him with. Not once he says in the Bible that he was sent by the Father,meaning God. Since Christians pray,"Our Father which art in Heaven...", denotes that a common term of appealing to God was,"Father!" In Middle East is customary to call upon God,"Rab!" which means loosely,Father. Having said these I just want to stress that whatever Jesus,pbuh,taught was from God and a Mission from God. We Muslims do not consider Jesus,pbuh,God. If that was the case why does he mention God/Father independently? It wouldn't make sense. If he was god, then nobody sent him but he came. However, he mentions,"The one that sent me." For us Muslims the one who sent him is The One and Only: The God!" God is English for Allah as well as Dios,Dieu,Got,Boga,Khoda,Ellah,Ilah,etc in other languages, which are just interpretations of Allah. To make you understand, when you speak Arabic as a Christian you call on God, Allah. God in the Arabic Bible is Allah. God in Hebrew is Ellah with many other variations,Ilah, Elloh. Yahwe is a name and atribute of God as well. In Islam we have other 99 names of His atributes. But they are names and atributes of the same one God. For Muslims this God is the Creator of everything there is. If Jesus the son of Mary,pbuh,was good it was because God wilt so. All his teachings were from God because God is good. When he was called good master, didn't he say:"Why do you call me good? There is only one good,even my father in heaven." A message for all of us. God/Allah/etc is good. Man is frail and prone to sin and crime. Only with God's guidance coming through the prophets, man can arrest his diabolic tendances. The message is there. How many heed to it? Jesus,pbuh,said,"Many are called,few are chosen."
"Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense." (comment by Thomas;like the cartoons).
There are many hypotheses in science which are wrong. That's perfectly all right; they're the aperture to finding out what's right. Science is a self-correcting process. To be accepted, new ideas must survive the most rigorous standards of evidence and scrutiny.
Maybe with these two quotes from a world famous scientist, we can better understand why free speech is so important. Why free speech can't be tied down to be politically or religiously correct.
Middle East Muslims speak at no ends on how great the Middle East once was scientifically, and why it is not anymore. I suggest to them they research if for themselves, and they will see, that the dark ages started when liberties and free speech were cut down in the 1200's, due to outside pressures put on the Muslim world. The reaction of the Muslim world was the opposite of what it should have been, and has affected the Muslim world since. Thank-you.
I wish Islam well, and I believe it needs to have as Islam terminology uses a "Ijtihad" urgently, which with out free speech is impossible. Good Luck.
To learn more about " Ijtihad" go to http://muslim-refusenik.com/ijtihad.html
First thank you for replying, I was starting to think that I was invisible.:)
I am glad to see that, if I understand, you accept what Jesus taught and that you didn't learn anything new from me regarding Jesus. So at least on the points that I mentioned regarding Jesus, The Quaran and the Bible seem to say the same thing.
You mention different shameful events done in Jesus name. I agree with you 100%. I say loadly that I condemn without any hesitation what the people you mentioned did. AND what certain Christians continue to do in the name of Jesus.
I adopt the following attitude, to be Christian is to strive to be Christ like while accepting him as saviour.
It says in the Bible that when we feed, clothes, shelter someone that we actually are doing this to Jesus. I suspect that when we steal, cheat, murder and lie that we actually do this to him too.
What does the Quaran say about this? Is it possible that violence we have been witnessing ia actually against all our collective prophets?
Also if we agree on what Jesus says then I will assume that Muhammad would be in agreement and so would ultimately Allah.
So then, should not all real Muslims call for their brothers in Islam not to cause violence but love thy enemy by educating.
BTW with all the mistrust and bad blood between our people I accept that you question my motives but for me I am starting to see a bit more clearly what is going on.
Thank you and peace be with you, your loved ones and all the prophets that serve the one true God.
..!Sad!Very sad! I informed all my Canadian and other Western Muslim friends about your comment and we are going to share it with our Christian compatriots. As such they will see what the Middle Eastern Muslims have to put up with! Not only the apartheit Israelis but also the racist and fascist Christian Arabs! Shame on you!
You said:"The problem that I am having is that if Muslims know Jesus how can they even try and justify the violent protests"You hit the nail on the head,my friend. It is the same problem Muslims have with Christians.Let's analyze together,shall we?
1)Were the fanatic crusaders entering the city of Aelia(Jerusalem) following Jesus Christ,pbuh, when they slaughtered every living thing in the city? Muslim,Christian,Jew,livestock,pets and anything that either moved or breathed!
2)Were the bloody conquistadors slaughtering the native Americans in the name of brotherly love and love for the enamy when they were received with open arms? Was this what Jesus of Nazareth,pbuh,taught them to do?When Hernan Pizzaro fed bound natives to his hounds after baptizing them, was this what Jesus the son of Mary,pbuh,asked him to do?
When the fascist duce,Mussolini invaded Lybia and created large concentration camps,death fields for the Lybians and started systematically to exterminate the Arabs and replace them with Italians.He had the Pope's blessings and thus was it what Jesus the son of man,pbuh,taught the Italian people to do?
3)When USA invaded Vietnam and burned people alive with napalm bombs and poisoned them with yellow gas, killing them in the millions, was this what Jesus the Messiah,pbuh,asked them to do?
Shall I continue?But I guess you knew all this. Your question is to provoke,not to l
products.We could of course retaliate and boycot
Muslims in Denmark,but so far we havent been so
silly.I have an Arab hairdresser,and I go to a
Turkish restaurant every week.
Now the world crisis obvious fueled by insulting the religion faith leader (Prophet) who is absolutely unique according to believers potraying him in ill image never forgiven.
hammed was just a man like anybody else...The prob-
lem is that muslims have made him into a god be-side God,and thereby committed an unforgivable
sin (sura 4,116.
In reading the reactions I have seen many references to Jesus. Even though I fail him through my actions and thought countless times a day I consider him untouchable and my saviour.
The problem that I am having is that if Muslims know Jesus how can they even try and justify the violent protests?
Is the Jesus of Islam the one who teaches that there are really only two commandments:
1) Love God above all.
2) Love your fellow man as you love yourself.
Is he the same one who said that anyone can love their friend but that we should love our enemy?
Is he the same one who said to his apostle that to live by the sword is to die by the sword when this apostle tried to save him?
If this is also the Jesus of Islam as it is the one of Christians than by what logic do you feel that to violently defend the honour of any of the prophets and the one true God of these prophets that you please any of them?
If the Jesus of Islam is the same as the Jesus that I have described to you then without any knowledge of the Quaran I know beyond the shadow of doubt, that all those who protest violently dishonour Allah and all of his prophets.
So, are we talking about the same Jesus?
please reply I really need to have my question answered.
Further let us not place the mullah's, imams or the pope on the same pedestal as a prophet. And as Mr siddiqui says, the Muslims love and respect their prophet more than the respect enjoyed by prophets of other faiths! 1400 years has not removed him into 'the past'. We live his messages daily. Terrorism has been thrown at us by the West(foreign policies of the West).
Peace upon all.
Middle-eastern media have been creating cartoons on some Mullahs or Imams , mid-eastern muslim people, some muslim figures... for a long time. Muslims never complained... they dont bother if insulting cartoons are made on muslim people or muslim political leaders etc. Yes , you are right, mid-eastern media have been creating cartoons on western and isrealy political leaders such as Sharone mr.Bush Tony Blair etc , insulting cartoons on jews, christians, israely and western people have been created by them for many years. But they NEVER NEVER NEVER make any cartoon or insult in any form the Prophets of Jewish and christian faiths like Moses, Jesus, Isaac, Jacob etc. Muslims dont bother cartoons on muslim people but insulting cartoons on any Prophet is unacceptable to them. So those cartoons by mid-eastern media is not the same as this danish one.
I say shame when you do not follow even what the your so called Christ teachings.
Look at the cause behind any violence or anger anywhere in the world, fix the cause.
Who is Terrorist? Who killed and tortured who since ascent of Jesus to heaven? read history.
Quran is a Final testament, Muhammad is final messenger of the same one GOD who sent other prophets.. Adam to Jesus.
Who is attacking or invading or looting oil, gas and other resources of muslims around the world?.
Post on this site if you come across in Quran and Hadith where it is said to hate other religion or other people of faith.
You forgive muslim fanatics as you are more tolerant.. Ha Ha ha..look at your back before you say this. The events of the past and present, Crusades, World wars, killings of your own sub-sect people, Who tortured and killed the PERSON on HOLYCROSS?. They were not MUSLIMs....
You will remain idoltors till Jesus second coming, Muhammad and Quran couldnt changed you. You read the manmade, revised, edited holybooks and watch TVs and bad people you are just ignorant.
You people are scared to find out what is real Islam, Hadith and Prophet Muhammad. Read the Quran, Hadith with translation -you will peace and love.
Stop terrorism, provoking, cheating, bias and read what Jesus and other prophets original or authentic teachings from the ORIGINAL, enedited, non-revised holy books.
Let the west stop this arrogance against Islam
You say - "Islam/Muslims will be forced to bend their knees at the foot of Isreals God The King of Kings Jesus Christ." !! Lol, Israel has never accepted Jesus as God of Israel and they never will accept this roman and greek bullshit. Besides, our Prophet Jesus(peace be upon him) will return in Syria at a friday prayer as the leader of muslim ummah and then He will crush the aggressor zionists and armies from russia, china,india. Jesus(pbuh) is not God of Abraham, Isaac,Moses etc. He never claimed to be God, let alone God of Israel. Jews corrupted original Injeel(bible) and passed it to greeks and romans which greeks & romans corrupted so many times and they twisted corrupted the true faith of Christ. What you are following - present day christianity, is not the true faith of Christ but the cult of greeks and romans. They created many false teachings such as trinity, original sin, Jesus being God etc that directly oppose the true faith of Christ. His mother-tounge was aramaic as the Gospel was revealed to him in aramaic. 'Allah' is aramaic for God and Jesus refered to Him (first part of trinity for christians) as Allah - the only God/Lord ever exists - the God of Jesus,Noah,Abraham,Ishmael, Isaac,Jacob,Joseph,Moses,Mohammed (peace be upon them). It is pure nonsense to say something like God of Arabia, God of Israel, God of jews/arabs because He is the God of everything that exists, He is God of the entire daamn universe or space, He is the God of every creatures including angels and other unseen creratures, certainly He is the God of every nations on earth not only Israel. The nations of modern day Iraq and Iran had existed thousands years before Israel came into being, who was God of ancient iraq-iran when there was no israel ? You say - "Turn now to your Lord Jesus Christ He desires that you choose Him" while the reality is we muslims follow our Prophet Jesus(pbuh) and he desires you turn to his Lord(Allah) leaving the roman cult.
get life marcel? why your name is not arab and you claim to be lebanese? nevermind! if your dad was raised good he will not have you telling people about his uglyness. why don't you use your Idea and go to the court and leave the judge say his opinion if any innocents were attacked?.
lebanon got bunch of problems and you proved to the world that you are not loyal to lebanon. it is not my talk, it is lebanese christian talk too, just not the one who begged France to accept Maron as saint.
do not fool the christian of the west? the majority of them doesn't accept the maronite belief to be christian... it is just politics and you are the only way France can get to lebanon...
by the way, I'm not lebanese and I'm not syrian, I just have like Phd in the history of the arab world. don't present your problems like part of the problems of the christians? your people in the morning loyal to Israel, in the afternoon loyal to America and in the evening loyal to France. how do you want us believe anything from what you said here? and if it is true, why don't you go to the court since that's your Idea?
I have empathy for your plight, and respect for your courage. Be strong, and knowing you have friends in the West. The problem of persecution of Christians in the Middle East is horrific. I try in my daily life to help Westerners that we have to help minorities in the Middle East for added support.
According to Islamic tradition, Alsuntany said, the Prophet Muhammad was sent with a message in the 7th century because Christians were worshiping the man Jesus and his image, instead of God. As a result, Muhammad refused to have his image recorded because he did not want people to worship him, but rather pay attention to his message and worship God. "Given this background, it is blasphemous to depict the Prophet Muhammad, and it is beyond disrespect to not just depict the Prophet, but to depict him as a terrorist," she said.
Evelyn Alsultany, University of Michigan
My heart was shattered into peaces and we must keep on doing protest. How we could just let our Masseger ( Muhammad SAW) treat light that?? He is the one who show you the light and offer you an enternal happiness without reward. should people who dont even have 10% of Mohammed SAW's great attitude treat our massanger like that??
where's the justice and your gratitude to this perfect person guaranteed entering the heaven
EXCELLENT BRO! I COULDN'T HAVE PUT IT ANY BETTER OR ANY MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN YOU HAVE ABOUT HATRED OF ISLAM AND MUSLIMS IN 'CIVILIZED' EUROPE AND THE USA. ISLAMAPHOBIA IS RAMPANT IN EVERY FACET OF EUROPEAN AND AMERICAN LIFE.
ISLAM AND MUSLIMS HAVE BEEN THROUGH IT AND ARE STILL GOING THROUGH IT. YOUR COMMENTS REMINDS ME OF MY WHITE AMERICAN EYE SURGEON FRIEND, WHO INFORMED HIS FEMALE PATIENT THAT HE WAS A MUSLIM. TO WHICH SHE REPLIED, BUT YOUR WHITE, ONLY NON-WHITE PEOPLE ARE MUSLIMS.
YOU JUST HAVE TO READ THE DRIVEL FROM TWO ISLAMAPHOBES WHO VISIT THIS SITE NOT FOR ATTAINING KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING OF ISLAM, BUT TO GAIN GROTESQUE MORBID PLEASURE AT ISLAM AND MUSLIM BASHING.
THESE ISLAMAPHOBES ARE:
1. DOIN PHINE FROM CANADA WHO IS A 'LEANING TOWARDS BUDDHISM/ATHEIST' WHO ISN'T DOIN PHINE IF YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN.
2. DOUBTING THOMAS WHO DOES NOT EVEN KNOW WHICH COUNTRY HE COMES FROM.
FROM HIS COMMENTS, ONE WOULD HAZARD A GUESS THAT HE COMES FROM THE PLANET SATAN. OOHPS!!!! SORRY, I MEANT THE PLANET SATURN OR WAS IT URANUS. MAY BE THE DOUBTING THOMAS WILL TELL US!
AMAZING, SIMPLY AMAZING! NOW WE HAVE A IGNORANT AND ARROGANT CHRISTIAN ZIONIST VISITING THIS SITE APART FROM SOME BUDDHIST LEANING ATHEIST GOING BY THE NAME OF DOIN PHINE, WHO REALLY ISN'T DOIN PHINE OTHER WISE HE WOULD SPEND ALL HIS TIME VISITING ATHEIST/BUDDHIST SITES, INSTEAD OF BEING A PEST ON THIS ONE.
MAN! YOU GUYS MUST HAVE SHALLOW MISERABLE LIVES COMING TO AN ISLAMIC SITE LIKE THIS WHEN YOU HATE ISLAM AND MUSLIMS.
VINCESTER, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE CAN YOU SHOW ME UNEQUIVOCALLY WHERE JESUS (PEACE BE UPON HIM) SAYS THAT HE IS GOD AND THAT I SHOULD WORSHIP HIM IN THE BIBLE.
NOTE: I SAID, WHERE JESUS SAID UNEQUIVOCALLY. NOT ANY TOM, DICK AND HARRY! ESPECIALLY NOT DICK CHANEY THE WAR CRIMINAL YOU CALL YOUR VICE PRESENT.
OH! BY THE WAY, GET YOURSELF A DICTIONARY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WORD "UNEQUIVOCALLY" MEANS, SINCE I HAVE JUST FINISHED READING "STUPID WHITE MEN" AND 'DUDE, WHERE'S MY COUNTRY' BY MICHAEL MOORE, AND HE SAY'S THAT MOST AMERICANS ARE INTELLECTUALLY COMPROMISED. WHAT A HILARIOUS READ THESE TWO BOOKS ARE AND AN INSIGHT IN TO THE LIVES OF SICK AMERICANS LIKE YOU VINCESTER. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION IT SHOULD BE ON EVERYONE'S LITERATURE CLASS READING LIST.
VINCESTER DO YOU KNOW HOW TO USE A DICTIONARY???
I HAVE BEEN ASKING THE ABOVE QUESTION REGARDING JESUS' (PBUH) DIVINITY EVER SINCE MY UNIVERSITY DAY'S WHEN I WAS PESTERED BY BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS. THUS FAR NO ONE'S ANSWERED MY QUESTION. MAY BE YOU, VINCESTER, WITH YOUR 'SUPERIOR INTELLECT CAN ANSWER IT? AWAITING YOU RESPONSE ON THE QUESTION!
OH! BY THE WAY, THE ONLY THING OUT OF CONTROL IS THE USA, AND IT'S PEOPLE. ASK YOURSELF WHY YOU AMERICANA'S ARE SO HATED BY PEOPLES OF THE WORLD?
that's exactly the message that moslems understtod from arround the world. and it is a claim of War message.
rioting is small answer to that message but I believe the right answer is never ever buy anything those guys produce. plus in our time, European product is the last quality and the highest price of all the world's products. we should tell them thank you for waking us from buying your junks. I see the whole Europe has nothing special to sell to the Islamic world. in the opposit, they must buy oil and gas from the moslem world.
it is time to tell them enjoy your products, we a both gonna buy asian products untill we can afford to make our own :).
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Allah is making things easy for us, we just have to worship Him sincerely. Alhumdulillah
I understand that it is not allowed to show picuters or other graphic material of the prophet according to the Koran, but aint that a question of faith?
As far as I know is it also not allowed to attack foreign embassys.
I dont care who to blame, Who started Jyllandsposten? The drawer? The Danish muslims who traved around whit fake pictures? I dont care get together and talk it over befor it all ends up in a conflict we cant handel.
Followers of Islam are fast becoming the most hated people (even more than the Germans and everyone hates Germans).
Nobody will take any of you seriously or treaT you with any respect and accept you into their societies until you stop blowing people up and shooting them willy nilly.
One day us infidels might just start retaliating.
Most middle eastern country's media is strictly controled by their government for a long time. So those mid-eastern youth who burned embassy and flags, naturally didnt think that Danish media is different and hence they reacted against Danish government by burning flags and embassy. This is a misunderstanding because the fact that european media is not controlled by their government unlike mid-east, is not known or understood well here in mid-east. Thats why those youths reacted the wrong way but they are minority, the majority of mid-eastern people are not happy the way those youths reacted. But of course all mid-eastern nations generally are against western attitude towards islam and their foriegn policy and this cartoon just adds to that centiment. So I assure you that majority of mid-eastern people are not against Danish people, its just a few who over-reacted the wrong way. I apologize on behalf of majority mid-eastern people or muslim people. Now if you ask me about our Iranian governments cutting relation with Denmark, I would say this government dont represent the average people of mid-east.
First of all this whole issue should not be turned into a for or agaisnt 'Freedom of Speech' as is being branded by the mostly Western Media .
The issue is about 'Freedom to insult' and Muslims take a very strong exception to it .
Muslims invite debate and criticism and we are willing to engage in an intellectual debate with the West if they 'genuinely' have some issues with Islam and the same can be carried out in very cordial ways .
Publishing such cartoons is not the way ..its plain Insult and the coordinated publishing by the Europeon newspapers proves its delibrate .
This shows how low have they stooped in attacking Islam and Muslims after having failed the Ideological battle and to win the 'Hearts and Minds' of Muslims to their 'secular' way of life.
Let us use this opportunity to spread the message of Islam
Encourage the wider Christian and Jewish community to speak out against the ridicule and abuse against all the prophets and religions, which has become commonplace in secular societies in the name of free speech. The society and state that Muslims are calling for i.e. the Caliphate State, is one in which all faiths will be respected and protected - this is the state that can bring peace amongst Muslims, Christians and Jews as was the case for hundreds of years in the Middle East.
Invite (mankind) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His path, and He is the Best aware of those who are guided. (Al-Quran 16:125)
And believe or not it has been said that the same thing applies to members of my country's free press even. In fact during times of national strife it has been said that journalists are sometimes among the first to be given the word. Sound familiar perhaps?
At any rate I find it comforting to know that those who have chosen to wear the uniform of my country matter more to those who are ultimately responsible for their safety than the right of a cartoonist or more to the point a publisher to disparage someone else's religion. But then again for better or worse historically the urge to be among those who rebel seems practically inherent among my countrymen. (For better or worse.)
THE KILLINGS OF 300 000 MUSLIMS BOSNIANS, DESTRUCTION OF 1246 MOSQUES WITH DYNAMITE, DESTROYED HUNDREDS OF MUSLIM GRAVEYARDS AND 50 000 RAPED MUSLIM WOMEN (*EUROPEAN).
WAS THIS DONE IN EUROPE 20 MINUTES AIR-LINE FROM VATICAN, AND 12 HRS DRIVE FROM DANMARK?
WHO IS TERRORIST HERE? MUSLIM CAUSE 0F 2000 KILLED IN USA AND DESTROYED TOWERS, OR ONCE WHO STARTED CRUSADES, SLAVERY, FIRST GENOCIDES, COLONIES, MASS MURDERING OF GYPSIES COMMUNIST AND JEWS, WHO DROPPED NUCLEAR BOMBS ON HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI, WHO STARTED COMMUNISM? ETC. WERENT THE DANES WHO WERE EXECUTING JEWS AS WELL?
WAS IT ALL DONE IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIANITY OR IN THE NAME OF CHRIST? THIS IS ALL HISTORIC FACT! AND ITS TIMES FOR MUSLIMS TO WAKE UP!
Shortly after 9/11 some in the west started asking themselves what could motivate a group to do what they had done on 9/11? Some have started to do some soul searching.
Maybe it is time that the Muslim world ask itself why is there in the west a growing association between Muslim and terrorism?
Why is it that a cartoon that is clearly insulting towards Islam causes so much outcry but the very existance of Al-Qaida which has been described by some as the hi-jacking of Islam causes muted protest?
I am not trying to insult anyone who reads this, I just want to understand what is going on in this world.
by the way muslims are trying to take over every country they happen to migrate to from their homeland and refuse to integrate to comunities only prove that they are backward and intolerant people who don't deserve to be accepted into world comunities
Now its been revealed that the same paper(which supported Mussolini) refused to lapoon Christ(a.s.) 3 years for fear of offending people. Also truns out that Flemming Rose, the man who authorized the publication is a zionist close with neoconservative Daniel Pipes. In light of these facts, there is no doubt that this was planned provocation.
This isnt "freedom of speech" its hatred lies, and hypocrisy. Some of the regular round of annti-Muslim idiots and degenerates who post here may want to get some facts under their belt before posting their asinine and inane comments.
Ofcourse, you can do whatever you want to mock us up, but don't be surprised if we fight back,Muslims are not dumb, not coward, not weak and not stupid.
Understand this. Islam is like oxigen. It gives you fresh air when you deak genty with them, But it might explode if you squeeze it too hard.
So, be mature, respect us and we will respect you.
The Muslim can ask the same question you are asking. Why they bomb us in Iraq, why so much hatred towards the Palestinian, why they bomb us in Afganistan and Pakistan? What in the world has the average people of these countries done to the west they their life are destoyed and they are still living in misery. Are ALL of them with AlQaeda are they all terrorist?
But the westerners picked it up where the muslims left it off. The west studied and developed all these muslim knowledge and have become powerful as knowledge is power. One example, It is europeans who invented calculus but without algebra the muslim invention, there is no calculus .
From these two points I'm trying to say that we leave our knowledge and our God-given wealth to our enemies and with the power of our knowledge and wealth when the enemies keep abuse offend oppress and kill us , we fail to recognise that we muslim nations have become weak for our own actions. We had left Islam long time ago.... our rulers are bought off by the enemies. We are responsible for our weakness and we can burn foriegn flags etc but at the end of the day, it is us who must fix this by going back to Islam, establishing True Islam in mid-eastern societies. Without establishing true real Islam in mid-eastern societies, they can never become strong again and the enemies of Islam will keep oppressing them, keep insulting offending the last Messenger, keep killing destroying muslim mid-eastern people. My beloved mid-eastern brothers and sisters, all these horrible incidents happening now-a-dayz are reminders that you have no choice but to go back to Islam, arabs persians kurds turks should love eachother and be united. To do that, first you need to throw out all those american twat-kissing butt-snieffing rulers of mideast. Then establish True Islam in your societies and part of that would be to control your God-given wealth by none but you and resume seeking of knowledge as our Prophet instucted the early mumenin to go to even china for knowledge. Otherwise, today its only the west but tomorrow india and china will join them God forbid.
Dont blame the Danish nation for a minor newspaper of that country, blame that newspaper. I had lived in Denmark for 3 years, Danish people are one of the most pro-palestinian, anti-israely, pro-muslim population in europe. When you burn Danish flags and embassy, those newpaper's folks dont give a damn about it, but its the Danish people who get some negative views on muslims. I support the idea of boycotting Danish goods but why not boycotting US and British goods as well since US and Britain are the Enemies of Islam, not Denmark. Also, I know some or few westerners are 'just people' and they are pro-muslim, however, westerners in general are very hostile to Islam and this will not change. Of all nations of the world, some western nations are enemies of Islam. There are two points I'd like to tell my mideastern bros & sisters :-
1) Allah subhanuatala has blessed mid-eastern muslim nations in many ways. One is the blessings of energy and fuel, natural resources. No other places of this planet is 1/3 as blessed as mideast. Any part of the world would need that God-given muslim energy to become developed, powerful, industrialized, prosperous etc. So tecknically speaking it is the mideastern muslim nations who should be the most powerful and strong nations, thats why the Creator has placed energy and fuel at mideastern country's soil ; not in US, Israel and Europe. But the sad reality today is the enemies of Islam (some western nations) have bought off wealthy mideastern country's rulers and those bastard rulers have been selling out Allah's gift to muslims to the enemies of Islam, in order to protect their huge royal bastard families or monarchies. With that muslim wealth, west has become powerful and thus they are invading destroying killing mideastern innocent muslim people. My dear mideastern brothers & sisters, its time you guys throw out those american twat-kissing rulers of mideast and set their pants on fire. (to be continued in my next post)
I am sure American Indians didn't have the strength and power to offset fire power and strength of westerns, same as African slaves didn't have the strength and power to fight against their slavery. Even then the retaliation of these victims of heinous crimes was consider a crime and dealt with full force. Isn't this obvious who is victim in conflict with west and muslim. If muslims are so powerful then why are they playing the blame game, they can impose their will as all powerful did in the history.
Which one is already guilty of crime aganst prophets? In Islam, all prophets are accepted and respected as messengers of Allah. Who is responsible for present day tirade against Islam ? If there is an impertial enquiry by a respected International body, the devil will be exposed.
a b m saleh
Let me tell you this :-
Yes, cartoons have been made by islamic mid-eastern country's media on israeli and western polititical leaders such as Sharon , mr. Bush , Blair etc.... sometimes on Jewish people... But they NEVER NEVER NEVER make any cartoon or insult in any way the Prophets of Jewish and Christian faiths like Moses, Jesus, Isaac, Jacob, David (peace be upon them all) etc. Middle-eastern muslim people dont bother if offensive cartoons are made on their political leaders and muslim people. But since the early dayz of Islam , the europeans have been demonizing the seal of the Prophets - Mohammed (saas) constantly. How long should muslim people remain silent about it ? They should react at some point I guess....
Yes the government must be responsible for their people actions and consequences as they blameand hold responsible some muslim governments for their people actions. Governments must pass a law especially in regards to all religions, prophets and GODS.
Cartoons can be about any persons or politicians that are fun but cannot be of any prophets and their lives like Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (pbut)under any circumstances.This is insane and insult to GOD because they are his messengers.
If some VIPs think this is a freedom of press, media and speech , then show the cartoons and offending images of their beleifs and gods, holy things like cross,stars and books.
They have many vulgar and violent stories and incidents in their so called holy writings and books.There is no compulsion in Islam- some have muslim names and act like non-muslims or moderate. They can change their faith because these hippocrates with muslim names are more dangerous to any society.
May ALLAH(GOD) guide us all..aameen.
The illiterate orphan from Makkah who changed the whole world. With fewer than ten dedicated
followers in the beginning of his mission, more than one billion people recognize him as their prophet and the most ideal role model. The whole world has changed in a very unprecedented way that will never be duplicated.
Let the people who did not believe in him, speak about his attributes!
ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA confirms:
"....a mass of details in the early sources show that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were like-wise honest and upright men." (Vol. 12)
MICHAEL H. HART in his book on ratings of men who contributed towards the benefit and upliftment of mankind writes:
"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels."
(M.H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York, 1978, p. 33)
GEORGE BERNARD SHAW said about him:
"He must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness."
(THE GENUINE ISLAM, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936)
He was by far the most remarkable man that ever set foot on this earth.
He preached a religion, founded a state, built a nation, laid down a moral code, initiated numerous social and political reforms, established a powerful and dynamic society to practice and represent his teachings and completely revolutionized the worlds of human thought and behavior for all times to come.
During this short period of 23 years of his Prophethood, He changed the complete Arabian peninsula from paganism and idolatry to worship of One God, from tribal
I will not burn your flag,and I will certainly
not threaten with terror.
"Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is, none of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father and his children."
The Prophet said "None of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father, his children and all mankind."
Hence, imagine the cartoonit making an inhumane and ugly cartoon of his mother or father and showing to all the world. Offcourse he wouldnt dare to do it. May be the offense caused by the Danish cartoonist and others who reprinted, can now feel somewhat similar pain and realise the agony caused to the muslims.
"Imagery was not the only problem with the Danish cartoons. They were insulting, which is, of course, the point of a cartoon. But they also portrayed the Prophet as a terrorist and, by extension, all Muslims, thereby engendering hate against them." Your conclusion is totaly wrong and irresponsable. You certainly are a joke. They did not make me hateful or any of the people I showed the cartoons to. They were just good for a laugh and a point to start interesting discussions. By saying the engender hate, it is you who are implicitly giving Muslims reason to peform acts of violence. Job well done Mr. Siddiqui. The cartoon showing a fearful cartoonist drawing an image of Mohamed is pure genius, and is as worthy as the other 11 for publication. The pen is mightier then the sword (or in the modern world, the suicide bomber) and that is what worries many muslims.