Fury Ignites Solidarity in Iraq

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Iraqi volunteers drive with supplies towards areas under siege by U.S. forces in the restive town of Fallouja, from depots in a Baghdad suburb.

BAGHDAD - April 9, 2003, was the day this city fell to U.S. forces. One year later, it is rising up against them.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld claims that the resistance is just a few "thugs, gangs and terrorists." This is dangerous, wishful thinking. The war against the occupation is now being fought out in the open, by regular people defending their homes - an Iraqi intifada.

"They stole our playground," an 8-year-old boy in Sadr City told me this week, pointing at six tanks parked in a soccer field next to a rusty jungle gym. The field is a precious bit of green in an area of Baghdad that is otherwise a swamp of raw sewage and uncollected garbage.

Sadr City has seen little of Iraq's multibillion-dollar "reconstruction," which is partly why Muqtader Sadr and his Al Mahdi army have so much support here. Before U.S. occupation chief L. Paul Bremer III provoked Sadr into an armed conflict by shutting down his newspaper and arresting and killing his deputies, the Al Mahdi army was not fighting coalition forces; it was doing their job for them.

After all, in the year it has controlled Baghdad, the Coalition Provisional Authority still hasn't managed to get the traffic lights working or to provide the most basic security for civilians. So in Sadr City, Sadr's so-called "outlaw militia" can be seen engaged in such subversive activities as directing traffic and guarding factories. It was Bremer who created Iraq's security vacuum; Sadr simply filled it.

But as the June 30 "handover" to Iraqi control approaches, Bremer now sees Sadr and the Al Mahdi as a threat that must be eliminated - at any cost to the the communities that have grown to depend on them. Which is why stolen playgrounds were only the start of what I saw in Sadr City this week. At Al Thawra Hospital, I met Raad Daier, an ambulance driver with a bullet in his abdomen, one of 12 shots he says were fired at his ambulance from a U.S. Humvee. At the time of the attack, according to hospital officials, he was carrying six people injured by U.S. forces, including a pregnant woman who had been shot in the stomach and lost her baby.

I saw charred cars, which dozens of eyewitnesses said had been hit by U.S. missiles, and I confirmed with hospitals that their drivers had been burned alive. I also visited Block 37 of the Chuadir District, a row of houses where every door was riddled with holes. Residents said U.S. tanks drove down their street firing into homes. Five people were killed, including Murtada Muhammad, age 4.

And Thursday, I saw something that I feared more than any of this: a copy of the Koran with a bullet hole through it. It was lying in the ruins of what was Sadr's headquarters in Sadr City. A few hours earlier, witnesses said, U.S. tanks broke down the walls of the center after two guided missiles pierced its roof. The worst damage, however, was done by hand. Clerics at the Sadr office said soldiers entered the building and shredded photographs of Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, the top Shiite cleric in Iraq. When I arrived at the destroyed center, the floor was covered with torn religious texts, including copies of the Koran that had been ripped and shot through with bullets. And it did not escape the notice of the Shiites here that hours earlier, U.S. soldiers had bombed a Sunni mosque in Fallouja.

For months, the White House has been making ominous predictions of a civil war breaking out between the majority Shiites, who believe it's their turn to rule Iraq, and the minority Sunnis, who want to hold onto the privileges they amassed under Saddam Hussein. But this week, the opposite appeared to have taken place. Both Sunnis and Shiites have seen their homes attacked and their religious sites desecrated. Up against a shared enemy, they are beginning to bury ancient rivalries and join forces against the occupation. Instead of a civil war, they are on the verge of building a common front. You could see it at the mosques in Sadr City on Thursday: Thousands of Shiites lined up to donate blood destined for Sunnis hurt in the attacks in Fallouja. "We should thank Paul Bremer," Salih Ali told me. "He has finally united Iraq. Against him."

Naomi Klein is author of "Fences and Windows: Dispatches From the Front Lines of the Globalization Debate" (Picador, 2002).


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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES said:
Peace Hudd (as in, "Insult me all you want, but I still reply to you with compassion."):

You wish to indict me on moral grounds based on American history. While I suppose I could spend time discussing with you about WWII, the Viet Nam War, Himmler's Bosnian Muslim SS, the Ottoman genocide of Armenians, etc., all of those things are moot as far as I'm concerned. I was not involved in any of that, and I presume neither were you.

So why are you so fixated on such things? No amount of wrong by one person can absolve the wrongs of another. I can acknowledge that the American government has acted wrongly in the past and even in the present. That being said, none of this morally excuses extremism in the Muslim world. Is there a logical reason for that extremism? Strictly speaking, I can concede that. Does that make it right for others to want to kill me or my loved ones? Emphatically, I say no. None of us deserve that, and no amount of rationalization can convince me otherwise.

And no amount of verbal attacks from you persuade me that I'm wrong about bigotry in the Muslim world. Neither of us are blind, so you know full well about the bigotted comments made by you and other Muslims here. You even declared proudly that Americans who travel would experience a lot of hostolity. But even if we ignore that, I can speak from personal experience. Some Muslims have actually told me that they hate because I'm an American. Am I supposed to trust them to oppose terrorism against me or my countrymen? Insult me all you want, but you can't change facts. Let me repeat this, so we're absolutely clear:

NEITHER ME NOR MY LOVED ONES DESERVE TO DIE FOR THE PAST OR PRESENT CONDUCT OF OUR GOVERNMENT. ANYONE WHO THNKS OTHERWISE IS *IMMORAL*.
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HUDD D'ALHAMD FROM CANADA said:
Peace Nick. You shouldn't be baffled over my rage. It is sad that still you don't get it or you are dishonestly evil. I'll be blunt with you and give an explanation, like I didn't by now! I do not appreciate you preaching about morality to Muslims, simply because it is immoral to use UD shells in bombing a civilian population of which the great majority are children(this happened before 9/11). It is immoral to nuke a whole city(two in fact) and wipe out of existence hundreds of thousand of unexpected civilians(compared to that, 9/11 would seem a knock on the wrist). If you can't understand this, I'm sorry to tell you, ... That's the reason that you infuriate me when you preach morality. USA has no morality. Has the codes for it, has a constitution, but no application of these principles to herself, only when judging others. If you can't see this, again I have to admit that I considered you either an idiot or an immoral bigot. You dig, buddy? Well, if is there a portion of the Muslim world that US should be concern of? Definitely, that portion that they wronged. What goes around, comes around. Your comment:"many Muslims hate me, and for no other reason than U.S. citizenship." You sound like your hipocritical & bigoted president when he said, "The Iraqis hate us for our freedom! They simply hate freedom!" Now your statement and Bush's are not only in the realm of oxymoronism, but honestly is void of common sense thinking. Now who the hell in the sane world would hate freedom?! US would hate freedom for the Muslim world, because they want to manipulate their resources and secure a bright future for their pet whore-state of Israel! Again 2 possibilities, 1) You don't see it because you are mentally inflexible and deficient. 2)You see it, alright, but you immorally and bigotedly support US and the Israel, no matter what. Because in your self-righteous mind, you own the truth and the human equity.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES said:
Hudd D'Alhamd:

It baffles me that you seem so angry, since I have no idea about the source of your apparent rage. Your most recent rant went in many different directions, so I'll need to parse through them.

I don't "pester" you with my fears. You make comments to me, and I respond with explanations. Often, honesty requires me to disclose my true feelings about things. If you don't want to read about my fears, then you should avoid further comments to me.

Anyways, I genuinely do not care that you would die for your religion. However, I would care if you make others die for your religion. This is the root of my fears regarding the current state of the Muslim world. Do all Muslims constitute a viable threat? Clearly no. But is there a substantial portion of the Muslim world about whom Americans should be concerned. I'd say yes.

That's not to say that I'm bigotted at all, just cognizant of the rhetoric spewing out of Muslim countries. I don't hate Muslims, but I fear that many Muslims hate me, and for no other reason than U.S. citizenship. So you can try to browbeat me with your racial epithets all you like, but common sense should tell you that this won't make me or any other American less apprehensive.

Regarding Filipinos who eat dogs, I never said that this was unheard of. My issue with you is your conscious decision to compare Filipinos to dogs. Of course, it's not really an issue with you so much as it is my issue with much of the Muslim world. For I believe that bigotry is a pervasive problem in many Muslim communities. I cite comments by visitors of this website as illustrative of this.

Incidentally, this is exactly why I support unshackled free speech. I don't know about Canada, but in my country we welcome the opportunity to nail extremists like the KKK by their own words. We believe that in allowing bigots to reveal the darkness of their hearts for all to see, we can properly struggle against such evil.
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HUDD D'ALHAMD FROM CANADA said:
Nick Cameron. Why do you go back on things that I've already accepted? I said, I accept you as Nick Cameron & Christian, OK? I got it! You are not Jewish! God! You finally make me believe that you hate Jews!? You are entertaining, listen to yourself:"I'm uncertain why you think I'd care." Oh you care! Why would you post your inane comments and pester me with your fears?! Explain to me what did you mean with:"Do you believe that this grants to a moral exemption for your bigotry", tell me why & how your bigotry is different? My bigotry is aduced in order to match yours, because I believe that one should use the same weapons in a duel. Your other comment:"that it justifies the silence of other Muslims in the face of their your racial and religious hatreds?" The other Muslims have the mental capacity that you only dream of, in your wildest dreams, you can bet your teeth on it, if you have any left. They know my game and yours too, don't be fooled by their politeness, it doesn't stand for stupidity! You should know that better, or what did profit you to live on the back of the Muslims in Indonesia?! As a Muslim, I do not hate those that killed my family, namely the Israeli forces, I try to cope with that loss, unsuccessfully. The Zionists made me an orphan of both my parents before I reached the age of one. Calling me a racist, is like calling a black American orphaned by KKK racist! I have no beef with either Philipinoes or ET's(for the record, I've never met an ET). My Philipino colleagues were all, without exception dog-eaters, maybe I found them always to be from the same village, I don't know, but every Philipino I met prided in eating dog. You are the first having a problem with it. That also made me believe that you were so different that you probably were a Jew, a reason not to eat dog! You dig? Now, the custom is repulsive to me, is that racism, moron? So is eating pork! For the Hindus my custom of eating beef is repulsive and he will voice it, is his freedom!
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Fahad Kamal:

Your most recent comments were thoughtful warranted a genuine response. Unfortunately, the webmasters have not posted my reply, either because of a technical glitch or a conscious decision on their part to censor my comments. It's unfortunate, because I was actually looking forward to engaging with someone regarding the philosophy of American law.

Take care!
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AKBAR KHAN FROM CANADA said:
Assalaamu'Alaiykum,

Br. Hudd D'Alhamd! Please forgive me for wrongly spelling out your name, :-) I am not at all offended for you to tell me the meaning of your name in fact it was a good lesson for me. Do keep in touch since we have a lot more to discuss, and pick each others brains.

wassalaam.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Well Hudd, it is immaterial whether or not you are amused.

I can assure you that I am not a "Christian Hindustani". While I don't know much about Hinduism, I'm fairly certain due to its polytheistic nature that it is incompatible with Christianity. So I'm willing to bet that there can be no such thing as a Christian Hindu.

Regarding Akbar Khan's claim that he "refuted" my citations, once again he lies. Admittedly, the correct number was 80 million Hindus dying over the course of centuries rather than 100 million, which I corrected in an earlier post that has not yet appeared for whatever reason. But I did mention in those comments that the source was originally a professor by the name of Professor K S Lal, from his book "Growth of Muslim Population in India". Furthermore, Akbar Khan has ignored the source of Encyclopaedia Britannica he himself has cited since it also supports the history of the Moghul genocide, in addition to other reputable sources as National Geographics. For more info on the Moghul genocide, please see the following:

Encyclopedia Britannica, 15 th Ed, Vol.21, pp. 54-55, 1987

An Advanced History of India, by R.C.Majumdar, H.C.Raychaudhuri, K.Datta, 2nd Ed., MacMillan and Co, London, pp.336-37, 1965

Encyclopedia Britannica, 15 th Ed, Vol.21, p.65, 1987

The Cambridge History of India, Vol.IV - The Mughul Period, by W.Haig & R.Burn, S.Chand & Co., New Delhi, pp. 98-99, 1963

T.J.Abercrombie, National Geographic Magazine, Vol.134, No.3, pp.318-325, Sept.1968

So yet another Akbar Khan lie is exposed. But as I said before, this was not the last time that the successors of the Moghuls committed atrocities:

http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/history/genocide.html

This all proves my original point from many weeks ago, which was that although we can celebrate the accomplishments of Muslim civilizations, we must also acknowledge that like other civilizations their history is not pure.
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HUDD D'ALHAMD FROM CANADA said:
As-Salamu alaikum brother Akbar. I don't think Nick was bringing your name for validating his claim. He was saying that I seemingly use your tactics. It's still beyond my comprahension how he could associate my comments with yours. Mine are raw yours are civil. I insult, you instruct. There is no analogy between your comments and mine but the silver line of truth.
Brother Akbar the name is: D'Alhamd= Du Al-Hamd= D'Al-Hamd=D'Alhamd. Same(almost) meaning with Muhammad, Ahmad or Mahmoud. But D'Alhamd is a laqab(title) while Muhammad is an ism(name). It's not a big deal, but Al'Hamd, doesn't sound very good used alone. Al'Hamd means: Praise/Thanks. I can associate Allah with its absolute form. Du al-Hamd, or contrasted, D'Alhamd means, master/possesser/owner of praise/thanks/gratitude. One thing is to be The Praise and another to Possess/Own praise/gratitude(toward Allah). Sorry, brother for the unsolicitated lesson in Arabic. May Allah bless you for your intentions that are pure and merituous.
Well, Nick said he was Nick Camarongan Philipino-American, fundamentalist Christian Zionist(my comment). Now he's Hindustani? He must be Jewish,though, only a Jew has this chameleon property exhibited by our mutual nemesis, Nick C.!
I want to thank you for the information supplied on India. I ask anybody that would have info when an argument is on to contribute for the sake of al-Haqq(the service of truth).
Allah Hafiz, brother, Inshallah time will prove Nick his morbid infatuation with Zionism as being immoral and bigoted.
Maasalamah
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HUDD D'ALHAMD FROM CANADA said:
Nick C. Your comment is very amusing. "I can assure you that I'm as Jewish as you are a member of Greenpeace." What the hell, what do you think Green Peace was, buddy? You need to grow a third leg or convert to Judaism? Maybe some of the members that have Germanic names are Jweish, but that's beyond the party's mission statement. Canada, contrary to your believes, is a democracy. One can be a member of any political party he chooses to be without compromising on his religion, race or ethnicity. God, what country are you living in, man? So badly had USA deteriorated on individual freedoms? That's sad. Talking about democracy, eh? Well, as a Muslim I am obligated to call you, whatever you call yourself, therefore is you say that you are Nick, Nick it is! Christian? Christian it is, buddy! Only my dilemma stands in the fact that such kind of mentality and comments, in my experience came only from Zionist Jews! If I am mistaken, it would be for the first time. "Errare humanum est" Your saying:"Never trust a two-handed salesman who wears sneakers." Are you sure this is the correct translation?! Maybe "second-hand salesman"? But even then I don't get it. It sounds very funny, I must admit. I am ready to adopt it as soon as I get its meaning right. Help me with that, if you will. Well I entirely disagree with your freedom of indecency and disregard for sensitivity. That which is holy should stay holy. Thanks God, I live in blessed Canada. I was never particulrly interested in USA, but now I am disgusted, if USA allows me to have a T-shirt with the inscription, "Die Jew! Hitler rules!", I would rather be a member of Papua-New Guinea nation. It is not about strength in faith if you allowed indecency, it is the lack of it. You Nick are nothing. I am a Muslim and member of the Green Party, which is in the least minority in Canada, they don't make a difference at the level of law-making. Their agenda matches the best my views, I wouldn't go for either the Liberals or the Tories
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AKBAR KHAN FROM CANADA said:
Assalaamu'Alaiykum Wa-Rahmatullah Wa-Barakatu, br. Hudd Al'Hamd. The artist formerly known as Prince..oh wait Nick heheh, he thinks that by bringing my name into this debate that the validity of his claim somehow increases. Unnecessarily since he has no other corner to turn he claims that you are mimicking me somehow, which is a creation of his own imagination and we both know that. The hindi poetry posted by the artist formerly known as Nick, is not surprising. After listening to NIck's ridiculous claim of "100,000,000 Hindu's were killed by Muslims over many decades" as he said in a post in some articles back, and still does not back down from, even after I refuted this ridiculous claim and stated the truth and he never replied confirms that this was another invention of his own imagination.

I am not surprised that the artist formerly known as Nick Cameron is Hindustani, or from somewhere around Hindustan since he says "my people have a saying...". I think the artist formerly known as Nick should go watch some more hindi movies...he should go watch Ammar, Akbar, Anthony...anyways now that I see he's supposedly a 'Christian Hindustani,' I am not surprised that he invents so many lies agaisnt Muslims such as the one I explained above.

He also seems to think i'm obsessed with him, but it is actually him who is bringing up my name in order to defend his own words.

Hudd Al'Hamd, we both know that in Canada we have no such thing as trailer park trash, acres of abandoned buildings, and we are definitely not mad with this phenomenon known as "patriotism." I like to call Canada a place where people are truly free, and not looked down upon for not waving a Canadian flag.

We're more free than the Christian Hindustani artist formerly known as Nick Cameron will ever know.

Wassalaamu'Alaiykum
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AHMED said:
George Bush presided at a wake this week. White American Manifest Destiny is dead, rotting ignominiously somewhere in Iraq. Neither Bush nor the corpse knows it yet, but the stench is pervasive and unmistakable.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Well Zinedine I think I understand you better, but I still must disagree. You said:

"After all, there is no point of living life without dignity and honour."

We can strip a man of all honor, dignity, wealth, praise, laurels, etc. But if there is the slightest of chances that one day he will do even the most miniscule scintilla of good for others, then the man must continue on with his life. The way we Christians see things, the point to life is not personal dignity and honor, but to love God and do good for others regardless of whether they do good to us. For us, this is not a mere guideline or suggestion, but an injunction without condition from the God of Abraham. Christianity is not an easy religion to follow.

Of course, I respect that you are Muslim and therefore have different beliefs.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Hi Fahad Kamal!

I commend you on your most recent comments. I found them thoughtful and intellectually challenging.

Concerning the int'l law issue, it sounds like the professor spoke from a more philosophical standpoint. I understand the reasoning, but if applied strictly we could wind up with preposterous situations.

Imagine for a moment the average American soldier. He may have chosen to enlist, but he most likely didn't choose to go to Iraq since such things are left to policymakers. Imagine this soldier is a nurse working in military hospital in Baghdad. One day as he is crossing the street, the soldier-nurse encounters an ambush and finds himself looking down the barrel of a Kalashnikov. If the Canadian professor stated int'l law correctly, then this soldier would have no choice legally but to just bite the bullet (literally) and possibly dying. Effectively this soldier, by virtue of being part of an "aggressor" army, has forfeited all human rights under int'l law. (After all, without the right to self-defense, all other rights become moot.) This seems nonsensical to me, which is why it's hard for me to accept the professor's statement at face value.

On the topic of speech, it sounds like Canada defines it differently from us. In America, our courts have drawn a bright line between actions that constitute "speech" and those that constitute "conduct". Speech generally is about the *content* of what was said, while conduct is about the "time, place, and manner" of what was said. This distinction is important because freedom of speech, according to our courts, is about prohibiting content-based discrimination.

Going back to your hypothetical of the swastika house, it is not the swastika that our laws would punish. It would be the fact that the anti-Semite vandalized a person's home that would put the criminal in jail.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES said:
Hudd D'Alhamd:

I can assure you that I'm as Jewish as you are a member of Greenpeace. Put another way, I ain't no Jew. Nor am I gay. My people have a saying that describes you perfectly:

Kahoon kis se main keh kya hai shab-e-gham buri balaa hai
Mujhe kya bura tha marana agar aikbaar hota

Translated it means, "Never trust a two-handed salesman who wears sneakers." I admit that it loses something in English, but I think you get my point.

Also, you're pulling an Akbar Khan again when you claim that I call Canada a dictatorship. I just don't agree that it's very democratic to censor speech just because someone's feelings get hurt. As for me, I am strong enough in my Faith that no one can shake my Christian ways merely by insulting my Lord. It's not my problem if you are so insecure in your own faith that you feel threatened by words.

Assalamualaikum, buddy. ;)
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FAHAD KAMAL FROM CANADA said:
Hi Nick,

I'm afraid the professor did not give any citations when he said this, but it is difficult to deny the common sense of such an idea. If a nation attacks another, then the nation under attack can invoke self-defence. If the aggressor invokes self-defence after THAT then I guess we'll have to go back to Ghandi's saying "an eye for an eye makes the world go blind." In short, only one country can claim self-defence and it can't be the one initiating the violence.

With regards to free speech, I'm afraid that mere words can cause violence. These can be two kinds: physical or emotional/psychological. In Toronto we have had a recent spate of anti-semitic attacks which included the spray painting of swastikas on Jewish homes. Some of these residents were holocaust survivors. You can imagine the painful memories that were brought back to them. No one should have to live in that kind of an environment. As I mentioned earlier:physical injuries can heal but emotional/psychological wounds can remain with you for the rest of your life.

Using abusive language against somebody due to their race, ethnicity, religion, etc. is a form of verbal violence. If this goes on unchecked it can easily lead to physical violence. In NAZI Germany things began slowly and then evolved into the holocaust.

In the West we have freedom where people can do as they like so long as they don't hurt anyone. The same ought to, and does apply (Canada, Britain etc) in the verbal sphere as well.

Bremer closed al-Sadr's newspaper for "inciting violence." Clearly, Bremer saw al-Sadr's words as threats that he possibly believes would turn into actions.

Actions are preceded by words. In some cases the words are harmful enough.
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ZINEDINE FROM MOROCCO said:
Salaamu alaikum,

I guess Nick misunderstood me again. Let me make myself clearer to you Nick: when I said the seeds of our decay (speaking about us Muslims) is our love of life and fear of death, I meant love of a life where we accept to be oppressed by the oppressors namely Isreal, America & Russia. I drew my statement from an authentic hadith where the messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: "There will come a time where nations will feast on Muslims as the eaters feast on a big plate of food" a companion of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) asked: Is it because we will small in numbers? The prophet (pbuh) answered: -No, actually, you will be huge in numbers but (of no much value) in the messengers words" like straw in a flood" the companion asked again: -Oh prophet of Allah, why is that? the messenger of Allah answered: " because you will be infected with Alwahan" a mental state of "laxity". The companion asked again and what is Alwahan O prophet of Allah?
"Alwahan is love of dunia (material life) and hate of death" (honorable death).
Astaghfiru Allah, I appologise to the messenger of Allah and all Muslims for my bad translation of the word dunia (material life).

After all, there is no point of living life without dignity and honour. That's the messenger's point and your first president George Washington & Thomas Jefferson know exactly what this hadith means when they expelled the British from America. Muslims should do the same to the Israelis and the Americans that occupying their lands and revolt against their Arab puppets otherwise life has no meaning under oppression.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Hi Fahad Kamal!

I don't question whether or not a professor in Canada has stated what he thinks the law is. But for me, I'd only agree with him if I actually saw the law with the appropriate citations. Did Prof. Mandel give the cites, and if so what were they? As far as I know, it's not in the Geneva Conventions.

Like I said, Canada can do what it wants. But I really question the wisdom of limiting speech in this way. I don't think it's a wise policy to prohibit certain kinds of speech merely because some people might get offended. Yes, rules are needed to to keep order and prevent violence, but I don't buy the notion that mere words cause violence based the offensiveness. Democracy is not for crybabies. Sticks and stones...

As far Bremer's decision to shut down al-Sadr, I don't know that I agree with him even if I were disregard the consequences that followed. Unless Sadr's words actually constituted a crime in itself, for example, if he was giving people orders to commit murder, Bremer probably should have let him be. But I don't know what al-Sadr actually said, so I'll reserve judgment.

BTW, our leaders do win their elections. And as far as I know, elected positions in our country are almost invariably determined by majority votes. The sole exception is the the Office of the Presidency. But my President part of the Federal government, which has far less impact on my life than state and local government.
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HUDD D'ALHAMD FROM CANADA said:
Nick, give it up buddy. If you recognized that you overstretched things, just gives you grace. What you did was redifiniong your definition of democracy that equated to a dictatorship to a new definition of anarchy. One thing is to have a decent honest opinion, or be a tactless impertinent. But how could you make the difference, I wonder. But now I know for a certainty that you are no Christian, because no true Christian would maculate that which is the dearest thing for him(the love for Jesus,pbuh, and his mother,pbuh) for any anarchic solution for a utopian "absolute" democracy. You are a Jew and you are hiding in shame behind a hypocritical coat of being a Christian! You are a pathetic miserable loser! Talking about bigotry! You make me laugh, dude. However, don't be afraid to be what you are, come out from the closet, I wouldn't be surprised that you were also gay. It's your freedom nick, I have no problem with that. I just can't suffer you or anybody to slander the Muslims. Otherwise, good luck with your life buddy and don't you try to suggest that Canada was a dictatorship, because we did not invade anybody, YET!
Shalom! Shalom!
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FAHAD KAMAL FROM CANADA said:
To Nick Cameron:
The bit about International law was said by Prof. Mandel of York University in Toronto, Canada.

I'm suprised you're questioning whether or not Canada is a democracy. Atleast our Leaders win their elections before they take office.

Furthermore, even though we'd all like to have total freedom, we know that's not possible. Rules are needed to keep order and protect people.(Keep in mind the restrictions on free speech when it comes to national security in the States) Physical violence isn't the only way to harm someone. Verbal blows can be just as, if not more, deadly.

Keep in mind that Bremer shut down Moqtada al-Sadr's newspaper for "inciting violence" and accusing Bremer of following Saddam's path. Whatever happened to free speech in America's new and free Iraq.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES said:
I want to go on record as saying I synpathize strongly with cesarecastro. Before 9/11, I would also quite often defend Muslims whenever friends or family made a bigotted statement about them. After all, I too had lived in a Muslim country for a time and found the people there to be quite hospitable and selfless.

But it's getting harder for me to convince my loved ones that Muslims are generally good people when so many of them have demonstrated a capacity for some of the worst bigotry. Indeed, on an intellectual level I understand that these character flaws are most likely not universal traits. At the same time, many Americans who wish to be tolerant may not be able to maintain their enlightened views indefinitely while being assailed by both sides of the bigotry spectrum.

But with God's help all things are possible, for His love is stronger than extremist hate. Consider this a friendly reminder to all those who hope.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES said:
Zinedine's comment's support my point about the moral decay in the Muslim world. Life is precious and most blessed gift from God, and so we must cherish it. Moral people understand this. To say that people should not love life is to throw God's gift back in His face and tell Him that His greatest blessings are garbage.

Muslims, just like anyone else, should recognize God's blessings and thank Him everyday. No offense, but none of you are exempted from the duty to show gratitude. Anything less is arrogance.
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ZINEDINE FROM MOROCCO said:
Salaam brothers and sisters:

Our greatest disease is love of life and fear of death. We abandoned Jihad and now the Americans & the Israelis are feasting on us. The day we adopt Jihad as a way of life to defend ourselves is the day the Muslim World will start to progress period.

If my country that is Morocco or my second country that is Canada calls me to go to war and fight the American terrorists in Iraq? I will leave my IT job and fly there to join the troops because I just can't wait for WWIII to start and kills as many Zionists as possible. Why not? I am 6 foot tall, and a solid bodybuilder with some knowlegde of martial arts (Tae Kwon Do) and bilingual degree (French/English) in International relations and Computer Sciences. I guess I will very useful to Morocco & Canada.
Just call my name & I will be there. I just want to go to Jihad in a legitimate way and die as a SHAHEED.

Death to America's Zionists!!!
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ABDUL AZEEZ FROM MD, USA said:
To Abdullah Hakim,
What's your true name Mr "Abdul Hakim"?

John?, Joseph?, Peter? Taylor?, Mark?????.

You must be a hypocrite who has no guts to write comments under your name.

Indeed if you are a Muslim, then you must be from Kuwait.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
I find the remarks about Canada interesting. If our neighbor to the north truly bans some forms of speech based solely on their content, then I question whether it is truly free. Democracy was never meant to be merely an exercise in polite issues. That's something more fitting for the refined courts of the old European monarchies. True democracatic discourse, at times, should be allowed to evolve into a barroom brawl of ideologies and political philosophies. Fact is that divergent beliefs often collide, and participants can only reach Truth through direct confrontation. How else can we expose the lies of extremism if we don't draw such bankrupt ideologies from the shadows and expose them to the public light for all to see?

But Canadians can do what they want.
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CESARECASTRO FROM USA said:
The more I read the posting in this site I find my self considering most Muslims to be non-factual, unlogicly emotianol, arrogant and threat to my society. I have studied Islam and the Muslim culture for some years now, I lived in Saudi for a short period of time, I was always quick to defend Muslims but I find it harder to do so as time passes and I see the status and nature of the Muslim world today. I am against the war in Iraq. I consider it to be illegal for many reasons. The U.S. history in the area is terrible. But the posting here fail to recognized that the U.S. is not a killing machine trying to take care of the world. But when emotions run high, facts are not consider.
If any one is interested in some more indepth discussions about this subject please email me at [email protected] . I will appreciate discussing and being enlighten by anyone here.

thans and hope God blesses all of you.
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MEBROCKY FROM USA said:
To Ahmed Asgher, I have certainly misjudged you! Your comments show that you are more concerned with what is right than just in proving your point. I agree with you about slandering the prophet, " by printing bad language on a t-shirt". This would not be a real issue in a Muslim country any more than printing slurs against Jesus would be a smart thing to do in a predominately Christian country. Every society has a right to determine where they draw the line at the free speech issue. Iran is going through a difficult time now because these decisions are taken out of the people's hands, and decided for them by a few men. This danger always exists when people give too much unchecked power to a few people. Clerics are after all just humans like the rest of us. Please do not take this to mean that they are not deserving of our respect, or that I think they do not have their follower's best interests in mind, I am only commenting on what has been an historically bad idea; that is to hand over all the affairs of state to any one group. Nick, I go along with you that military action is not a solution except in very specific circumstances where we have been attacked. On the other hand, it is not our responsibility to force any political solution on any country. Clearly, the people in Iraq want to have fair elections, and they want their voices to be heard. I can tell you from my experience as a registrar of voters that it is a very large and time-consuming thing to hold fair elections. They cannot proceed with this until there is an accurate list of the people who are eligible to vote, and a way of identifying them. We do not need any kind of organized plan to winning over our enemies other than treating them justly and fairly. This is not only the right thing, it is the smart thing.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Fahad Kamal:

You claim that internation law prohibits the "aggressor" from self-defence, but I know of no such rule. Please provide for us the text of this law as well as the appropriate citations so that we may be educated on the matter.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Ahmed Asgher:

If you read my comments closely, you'd realize that I don't support any efforts by my government to impose a democracy on another country, including Iraq. Moreover, I concede before you and all others here that Iraqis might be suited for something other than a democracy. After all, if the Iraqis would rather have an Islamic polity rather than a free society, then that is what they should get. End of story.

My disagreement with mebrocky and certain scholars in the Muslim world is that I believe "Islamic democracy", for the reasons I mentioned, is a contradiction in terms. As I said, whether or not the Iraqis should have an Islamic government is a question for the Iraqis themselves, and I would prefer to leave it for them to answer.
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ABDUL AZEEZ FROM MD, USA said:
Its shame on Americans to kill innocent Iraqi men, women and children with all its might. Shame on you, you superpower. America has most sophisticated technology to kill un-armed civilians including innocent men, women and children. SHAME ON YOU AMERICA SHAME ON YOU.

REMEMBER AMERICA, ANYONE CAN KILL UN-ARMED CIVILIAN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A SUPERPOWER TO KILL INNOCENT UN-ARMED CIVILIAN. If you(America) believe you are sole superpower in the world, then you should fight with Isreal or Briton or Russia or any European countries. DONT SHOW YOUR ARROGANT MIGHTY POWER TO INNOCENT CIVILIAN.



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FAHAD KAMAL FROM CANADA said:
I would like to respond to Abdullah Hakim first by pointing out that America is not defending itself in Iraq. Under international law the aggressor does not have the right to self defence.

Furthermore, America's international record makes it perfectly clear that their primary motivating factor is economic and military self-interest as opposed to moral and ethical self-interest. American history is filled with democratic regimes being overthrown and dictatorial regimes put in their place because they were more convenient economically or politically. The last thing the US would want is democracy in the MiddleEast. Imagine democracy in say Saudi Arabia. The People would immediately vote for an oil embargo on the US without concern for their own economic needs. The US simply needs dictators that will do their bidding.(Saddam was their buddy once) That is far more efficient than having to deal with messy democracies where the people are anti-American. Consider the group of cronies they intend to hand over power to in the Provisional Govering council. Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani has been asking for elections but Bremer and Washington have repeatedly refused. The UN took the Ayatollah's side. How about this. Could you ever imagine the US and an Ayatollah facing off where it was the Cleric who wanted democracy?

Keep in mind that the Americans opened fire on a crowd and killed seventeen in Fallujah a year ago. This is what sparked the developments over the past year and led to the present situation.

As far as Nick Camerone's point, about democracies not prohibiting anything accept info that will compromise national security, I recommend he look at Canada. In Canada expressions of intolerance and racism are prohibited by law. A T-shirt bearing an anti-semitic remark for instance is banned.
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LARS JOHANSOHN FROM SWEDEN said:
What amazes me most is the fact that Americans are completely unaware of what is happening around them. All over Europe we see news reels that "starry eyed" Americans simply do not. Instead they are completely saturated with Baseball and cartoons. It is also unusual indeed to see that American soldiers will buy the nonsense their commanding officers and their president Bush doles out to them. There are a few who have slowly but finally realised that Iraq never had any WMDs and Iraq was never involved in the 9-11 debacale. So what is their reason for not just occupying a sovreign nation but also massacring its population, including women and children? I don't know if Americans realise it but they are considered to be the worlds worst monsters alongside their buddies the Israelis. I can not at all blame the Iraq mobs for devouring those CIA men they caught. If my wife and children were blown to bits on purpose, I would do the same, maybe worse. But I am also very surprised to see the Islamic world remain quiet in spite of all the resources they have and their history for never backing down to oppression. What happened to them now? I think Muslims have lost sight of something that once united them and made them a potent force. I wonder if Muslims will keep being oppressed and have their lands confiscated, resources plundered and their women be raped and families be murdered ? Or will the Muslims rise once again? So far it all seems like the Muslims have no will to fight for what is rightfully theirs. This is all a very sad situation.
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BNAK said:
Shame on you! .. You so called US Snipers, Woe unto you for sniping at and killing innocent women and children.
You will pay a heavy price before the Judge of Judges. His Justice will come soon!
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BAK TANUS FROM USA said:
Abdullah Hakim, A/K/A Cpt. Raymond Johnson US Army. Try your tricks elsewhere, Opressor. The Divide and Rule British trick won't work anymore with Muslims. Shias and Sunnis see very clearly who the real enemy is. it also become very clear now, who was behind the bombings of the Mosques in the Shia and Sunni quarters-The Americans. The Americans are using the same bloody tactics as the Israelis. When Children, Women and the old are murdered in such a grotesque way by the Americans, surely its gone too far. There is no turning back now. An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth. As Shakespeare would have put it, the fould deed in Fallujah will smell above the earth with carrion men groaning for burial. It is far better to live just one day like a lion, than to live a thousand days like an insufferable coackroach.
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BNAK said:
Abdullah Hakim:
Can you please tell me if you are INDEED a Muslim? Your name suggests you are but having read so many of your posts on this site, I kinda get a suspicion that your are NOT a muslim. You wrote:

"WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT MORE THAN 300 AMERICANS

HAVE BEEN KILLED BY ROADSIDE BOMBS AND OTHER DIRECT ATTACKS, IT IS SURPRISING THAT IRAQIS WERE NOT LINED UP AGAINST CITY WALLS AND SHOT. THE AMERICAN ARMED FORCES HAVE BEEN ON THE DEFENSIVE

FOR TOO LONG AND IT IS NOT SURPRISING THAT THEY HAVE DECIDED TO DEMAND THAT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH."

If you were INDEED a true Muslim or even a fair-minded person of any faith, your same above comments would have been as follows:

"WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT MORE THAN 10000 INNOCENT IRAQI CIVILIANS AND COUNTLESS IRAQI SOLDIERS HAVE BEEN KILLED BY COALITION CLUSTER BOMBS AND OTHER DIRECT ATTACKS, IT IS SURPRISING THAT COALITION SOLDIERS ARE NOT LINED UP AGAINST CITY WALLS AND SHOT. THE IRAQI PEOPLE HAVE BEEN UNDER THE OFFFENSIVE FOR TOO LONG AND IT IS NOT SURPRISING THAT THEY HAVE DECIDED TO DEMAND THAT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH."

However, your comments are not surprising though, coming from a person who is NOT fair-minded. Either you are a Muslim who has fallen in love with America (in brother HA's words, RED AMERICAN LOBSTERS), and blinded by it's Love that you cannot distinguish between the RIGHT and WRONG, or you are a hypocrite simply disguised as a Muslim, enjoying a free ride here. The fact that you use 'BISMILLAH' at the end of your comments and NOT in the beginning possibly proves that the latter could be true about you.

Peace Out!



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HUDD D'ALHAMD FROM CANADA said:
Nick, your severe case of cretinism cause your remarks to be stupidly entertaining.First of all, let me warmly welcome back br. Ahmed Ashgher, your absence was painful. Ahlan wa sahlan! Nick Camarongan, the Philipino-American, don't forget nick you are hyphenated, you are not Kosher, you are just tolerated for now. Let Philipines do something uncle Sam won't like and your paradise would be turned into living hell by the ignoble media. You might hide under an assumed name, but what about your looks? If I were you I would be more careful on how much racism I allow myself because tables might be turned any time. Let me go to your definition of democracy, "What if a citizen of this hypothetical "Islamic democracy" decided to publish a book attacking Islam itself? Or what if the citizen wore a T-shirt with the words "Mohammed was a pedophile" written on it?" You poor idiot, your adopted democracy had problems allowing a movie like that created by Mel Gibson to be broadcast! Immagine a movie describing with vivid pictures that Mary the Mother of God was the village whore! Or that Jesus Christ superstar was a bisexual freak having sexual kincky orgies with Mary Magdalen and his disciples. Now, how could you censor that? It wouldn't be a democracy according to your definition. I give another piece of democracy. Supposing somebody praises publicly Hitler and justifies his killing of Jews, or even better, he would deny entirely that the holocaust took place. Under your definition he would be free to do that. Again, a pedophile is entirely legit in your democracy, since sexual orientation and preference is a democratic freedom. Racism in all forms would be just freedom of expression. So, in your democracy, I can wear a T-shirt with the inscription: "Jesus Christ the Gay pride of the Middle East" or "Mary the mother of god, the patron saint of all prostitutes around the world" You see, according to the civilized world, democracy or islamic state, one couldn't state such dirt.
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AHMED ASGHER FROM BAHRAIN said:
Nick Cameron
Pls don't be misguided. your comments are generally intelligent. is your only concern of democracy is that we would not allow someone to defile our beloved prophet? Would you call this democracy when flagrant abuse becomes the norm?
Just and constructive criticism must be separated from evil intention. most muslims tolerate the first but would object to the latter.
We wish to live in a society where individuals vote for their representatives and collectively work for betterment of the society as a whole whilst adhering to Islamic justice for all, icluding minority and other races/religions. God would not want it any other way.
All the rest we call 'fitna' ie trying to create divisions.
Individual freedom stops when it trespasses on someone else's freedom. Like all things on earth, freedom too has its limits and if it goes unchecked it would create havoc in any society.
God has given us the mind to question all things, including his creation but only to learn and go forward not to create discord amongst people, so it would be futile to call it freedom if anyone wants to slander the prophet by printing bad langauge on a t-shirt. If that is your 'free-for-all' form of democracy then please keep it for yourselves. Thank you.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Hi mebrocky!

Concerning the responses to my comment about Iraqi resources, I assume you're referring to Ahmed Asgher. The man has a history of misreading my comments, so I'm not surprised that he overreacted this time as well. But it's OK because I believe that English is not his first language.

Going back to the "Islamic democracy" discussion, I understand what you mean now. But IMO, I wouldn't call that "democracy" necessarily. My understanding of the word goes beyond questions of whether or not there are free and fair elections. After all, Hitler was an elected leader, but we probably agree that the Third Reich was no democracy. Indeed, government by consent is a vital element of a genuine democracy, but the people must also have freedom. Offhand, I don't think true democratic freedom would exist in an Islamic form of government. But that's just my opinion.

Regarding your "driving forces" comments, I think you're essentially correct. Of course, I'd add that as Christians you and I must go beyond the golden rule, since we have to do unto others even when others refuse to do unto us. But I'll be the first to admit my shortcomings on this.

About our government's wrong-headed policies, I more or less agree that we've gone off track, although I suspect our reasons for this may differ. Contrary to what our neocons would have us believe, I think we're just not capable of democratizing the political quagmire that is the Middle East. And trying to impose our values onto others through military might will only get us into hot water. From where I stand, the risks are too great and the rewards are few.

If our goal is to end threats to our homeland, then it's a better use of resources to concentrate on the extremist threats specifically rather than trying to fix the social political roots of terrorism, which we can't. Just hit 'em hard, hit 'em fast, teach them a lesson they and the rest of the world won't forget. Then bring our
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MEBROCKY FROM USA said:
Nick Cameron, first, I think your statement about selling resources was misinterupted by some others. Iraq can sell it's oil or whatever to anyone, if it is really their choice. Second, my "Islamic Democracy", would be leaders that were elected by the people, who would govern using the principles of the Islamic faith, based on the Qu'ran. Honestly, the main driving forces of Islam are the same as they are in Christianity. I have a Palestinian friend who was a teacher in Jerusalem and has studied the Bible in English and in Arabic. She tells me this is correct. Compassion, mercy, caring for the poor, honesty, faith and loving kindness, and what exists in every religion : the "golden rule": do unto others as you would have them do to you. Anyone can say they are a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu or whatever; but if they have forgotten that these are the principles given to us by the Prophets, in the Torah, New Testament, Qu'ran, etc.; then they are not true to their faith. America is a great country, but our government has done some really bad stuff, particularly in the Middle East. In order to stay a great country, we have to look at ourselves honestly, and correct what is wrong. We can do this, just as Iraq can. Baghdad was once the center of knowledge and innovation for the rest of the world and Islam was the biggest reason for this. We have all gone far off the track, but there is always a way back if we can put the animosity aside and try to see the others point of view.
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SULAIMAN ABDUL QAHHAR FROM USA said:
United States Misguided Children (USMC), go home, watch Baseball, the season has started. Don't be canon fodder for a corporate thug's private war.
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ABDULLAH HAKIM said:
SALAAM. IT IS SO EASY TO BLAME THE AMERICANS.
WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT MORE THAN 300 AMERICANS
HAVE BEEN KILLED BY ROADSIDE BOMBS AND OTHER DIRECT ATTACKS, IT IS SURPRISING THAT IRAQIS WERE NOT LINED UP AGAINST CITY WALLS AND SHOT. THE AMERICAN ARMED FORCES HAVE BEEN ON THE DEFENSIVE
FOR TOO LONG AND IT IS NOT SURPRISING THAT THEY HAVE DECIDED TO DEMAND THAT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
THE FACT IS THAT SHEIKH AL-SADR IS A MURDERER
WHO ORDERED THE ASSASSINATION OF A RIVAL SHEIK IN APRIL 2003 AND AL-SADR REFUSES TO LISTEN TO THE PLEAS OF SENIOR AYATOLLAHS LIKE AL-SISTANI IN IRAQ AND MONTASSERI IN IRAN TO STOP INSTIGATING VIOLENCE AND TO LISTEN TO EXPERIENCED CLERICS. THE TROUBLE IN FALLUJAH AND OTHER CITIES WAS INCITED BY AL-SADR WHO IS MAKING A POWER GRAB EVEN IF IT COSTS HUNDREDS OF IRAQI LIVES. THERE IS A DIRTY GAME GOING ON IN IRAQ AND THE AMERICANS ARE THE VICTIMS OF IT. LET AMERICA BE AMERICA AND DEMOCRACY WILL BE ESTABLISHED SOON IN IRAQ. BUT NO, ILLITERATE POLTROONS HAVE TO MUDDY THE WATERS AND WHEN AMERICAN TROOPS TAKE DEFENSIVE MEASURES IT HURTS THE FEELING OF THE ILLITERATES. IS IT ANY WONDER THAT IT IS SO HARD TO ESTABLISH DEMOCRACY IN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES?
GOD BLESS AMERICA FOR TRYING. BISMILLAH
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YAHYA BERGUM FROM USA said:
I think the author is correct, in that America's leaders are attempting to weaken, sometime before July 1, those who would oppose Iraq's majority. Encouraging a representative government, however, to persecute the minorities subjected to it might in effect be no better than enabling a dictatorship to do similarly. Actually, if I am correctly assimilating the text of Quran 2:190-194 (in particular, regarding the "gravity" of persecution) it might even be worse.

Also, if America would compel only its adversaries in Iraq to strive in their own best interest, it seems possible that it would be America's adversaries (at least its adversaries within Iraq) who would grow stronger. In the end, enabling our friends to avoid strife - in their own best interest - is possibly neither in their best interest nor our own.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
What is an "Islamic democracy"? A defining characteristic of all democracies is that they prohibit censorship of matters of public concern. That means that even the most disloyal, offensive, or otherwise disagreeable speech can find an avenue of expression without government interference. The only exception that I can think of is when such speech violated national security, for example, if the content of speech included the identities of undercover agents abroad.

In the case of an "Islamic" democracy, would all topics of political and social discourse be fair game? What if a citizen of this hypothetical "Islamic democracy" decided to publish a book attacking Islam itself? Or what if the citizen wore a T-shirt with the words "Mohammed was a pedophile" written on it? In many countries, these things would be prohibited. Such censorship might be "Islamic" and even justifiable from a moral standpoint. But that wouldn't be democracy.

I know of no society that can be called an "Islamic democracy" at this time. That makes me wonder if such a thing is possible.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
America is a powerful country that can act against other countries, but it is still a free country. As Americans, we are guaranteed a great number of rights that secure our individual freedoms. It may be true that our country can dictate to the rest of the world at times, but that's a different issue related to the nation-state system. It is the reality of our freedoms rather than the freedom of foreigners that makes America a free country.
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AHMED ASGHER FROM BAHRAIN said:
here we go again this idiot puts in his tuppence worth of rubbish:

"I have no problem with foreigners owning Iraq's resources as long as the Iraqis willingly sell them and they get a good price."

US army is there illegally. they have bombed their way in and sold Iraq WITHOUT THE CONSENT of its people to the lowest US bidders who prop up Bush and his Zionist clans. the Tel Aviv pipeline was the ifrst on their mind to be restored. They sold everything from the railways to telecom. Their first priority was to restore oil production with no accounting! and to hell with hospitals, secuirty, water, electricity. In a country where oil is its main line, the people of iraq have difficluty in getting oil thro the pumps. ditto electricity, ditto water, ditto security.

then this idiot comes with vilgar statements. go get some education you ignorant biggot.

What we see on our screens here your media would never show. maimed civilians, bombed children, city turned to rubble. the bereaved can not even bury their dead in peace with your bombs being randomly dropped. Just as kimmit was telling the world the US has decalred cease fire, the Aljazzera reporter was showing countless jets dropping their bombs. Some cease-fire huh! I am just fureous about all the lies the american machinery keeps telling those idoits and the ignorants are swallowing them like fish swallows bait. Do you have no brain of your own?
People of the ME collectively have had enough but their leaders are gutless to tell the yanks: "JUST GET OUT". and take your white zionists out of Palestine too.
, those with American twang who know nothing about Judaism, let alone ISlam or Christianity.
It all makes a mockery of Chirsts message of love.

JUST GET OUT.
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BASSAM FROM USA said:
Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameena,
I am glad to see that sunni and shia muslims are
moving forward in unity. If it be the will of Allah this will
only bring us closer as a people. As muslims we are all
servants of Allah. Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameena.
Bassam.
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MEBROCKY said:
This is now a horrible mess, with huge mistakes being made on all sides. Most Middle Eastern experts who were not hired by the Bush Neocons warned that this would happen if we arrogantly marched into Iraq. The problem for the Americans is that under any version of International law, if you invade a country, you must stay long enough to start a re-building and leave the country in a way that the citizens can take over. The slow progress is in part due to the horrible conditions left by Saddam and the devastation of the war. In addition, the war never really ended; building new schools and hospitals is hard if you are stilled being fired on. One year is a very very small amount of time to rebuild a country. If the US leaves now, what will happen? Best-case scenario is if someone like Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani takes over and gets help from the International community to rebuild the country. From what I read about him, he has the reputation of great intelligence with a willingness to see both sides of a disagreement. He also appears to look to the future as well as the past for answers. This is what Iraq needs, not "whoever has the most guns takes over". The Iraqi people need to have a government that does not persecute any of its citizens, an Islamic democracy, for lake of a better description. It is all well and good to say the US must leave right now, but if there is nothing to protect the people left behind, then that is no answer either. The UN or any other organization will not come back to Iraq, unless they can be assured that their people will not become targets. How about suggestions on how to do this.

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RASHAD ABDUL-AZEEM FROM USA said:
Allahu-Akbar....

It is good to see the Shia and Sunni Muslims uniting as one people. I pray that Allah (swt) will bless and strengthen their unity forever. It is only through unity that the Muslims can defeat the plots of Shatain. It's a very good development and a new beginning for the people of Iraq.
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KHADIJAH AMATULLAH FROM USA said:
If it were not for places like this website for me to visit, I would never know the truth. I never see the truth on television. The American public stands blindly behind a government that monitors all media coverage and can even find out what books they take out from the library. I do not think this is a free country. It pretends to be, but it dictates the way other governments should rule. If other governments do not listen than sanctions are put on them. It is never the governments that suffer, it is the countries people that are hurt by these inhumane actions. The word here is expendable. Human life becomes expendable when it is for the bigger purpose. That bigger purpose always has a dollar sign attached to it. Value is put on human life through these crude methods of ideology. My heart cries daily for the plight of the Iraqis and Palestinians and Muslims/Muslimahs all over the world just trying to live and serve Allah (SWT).
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
I have no problem with foreigners owning Iraq's resources as long as the Iraqis willingly sell them and they get a good price. I don't know about Islam, but Christianity accepts transactions as long as they are fair.
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SAYF UDEEN HUSAYN FROM USA said:
Allahuakbar!! It is great to see the Muslims in Iraq uniting both Sunni and Shia, for that is the key to victory over the occupying kufrs who only wish to establish an "U.S. run puppet government in Iraq." It is to plain to see that Muslims in Iraq "the majority" do not want the U.S. there and it is proven by the formation of great Islamic forces among the Muslims there such as the Mujahideen and Imam Moqtada Sadr's Mahdi Army. Again Allahuakbar, Islam will triumph in the world inshallah. We should realize as Muslims that everyone the kufr leaders in the West "like Bush" calls a terrorist or a extreamist is not really so, the disbelievers only wish to divide the Muslim Ummah by labeling Muslims as "moderates, extreamist, fundamentalist, and so on. Just one of Shaytans tricks. We should know that inshallah when the Mahdi appears, according to Hadith he and his followers will fight against the Jews, fight against oppressors & tyrants, and those who oppose Islam & its establishment. So in todays world with the views and beliefs of the kufr rulers, the awaited Mahdi will probably not be accepted by them, he probably will be labeled by the U.S. and Israel as a terrorist or extreamist just to decieve Muslims reguarding his truth. Stay awake.
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ABDUL WADOUD FROM USA said:
As Salaamu Alaikum


Just to answer Umm Muhammads question read the following:

Article 59 of the new US-engineered constitution, which puts the new US-founded Iraqi armed forces under the command of the occupation forces, which will, in turn, be "invited" to stay in Iraq by the new sovereign government after the "handover of power" in June. This occupation force will be backed by 14 large US military bases and the biggest US embassy in the world, tellingly based at Saddam's republican palace in Baghdad.

That just about sums it up.
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AKBAR KHAN FROM CANADA said:
In the minds of neo-conservative think thanks and within the Bush administration itself, their idea of 'if worst comes to worst,' is if the CPA adn its' American dictatorship are forced to leave Iraq because of the unsettling uprising - BUT they think that they should implant their US bases and their behind the scenes control of every area of bureaucratic functionality within the nation, as if to make it look like Iraqi's are running their own nation. They want to create a foreignly controlled dictatorship at ALL the lower levels of government, which basically means that no individual can be labeled as being the culprit again (no Saddam's).

Do not be fooled into thinking that the presence of U.S. forces is easy to defeat. People like Paul Bremer the Third whtaver his name is, cannot tell us what is, and is not against the teachings of Islam. He has no authority in this matter and they are acting like the British colonialists when they were in India. They want to separate and divide the nation down further and further, to weaken it and maintain their control over it. This is what they will do in their worst case scenario. So I urge those who care about hte well being of the Iraqi people, to be against negotiating with the CPA.
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AHMED M FROM BANGLADESH said:
I do not understand what those Ararab and so called Muslim leaders are doing. If they had courage and fear of Allah they should jointly send Army to Iraq now I mean now. Be it from Saudi Arabia or Jordan or Syria to go to Iraq and ask the American fource to go back to Kuwait and leave. It is already one year has passed American could not bring peace and security in Iraq. No more ifs and buts they must leave. Let the Muslim force enter and they will handle the situation better. My appeal to Prince Abdullah please take a step for God's sake. We must sve innocent life. Do not let America bully you. Just take a step boldy. Allah will help.
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HUDD D'ALHAMD FROM CANADA said:
It is very hard to convince your victim after putting him to the sword that you want to help in the healing process. I don't know in which society this would work. We the Muslims of the world are not animals. An animal might not be aware that the man that treat it for an injury is the one responsible for it. We know what's going on. We are humans having the same intellectual capacities we belong to the Homo sapiens species...
Peace out!
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S.HAMEED FROM INDIA said:
The real thugs are those neo conservatives who lied to world .Now the whole world is witness against them.These are the people who create mischief on the land.These people are the agressors of which are Quran clearly mentiones and they are the worst creatures in this earth. May God Almighty make Muslims Victorious and grant Jannah for all Muslims who fought against Agressors.
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MIKE KAD FROM USA said:
America does not see a shii or Sunni. America sees all of them the same...enemies. I would urge all to E mail Aljazeera to stop calling Sadr the shii Leader.
America has no place in the mother's house (Iraq)because America is a misguided, ungrateful d
aughter.
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PHILIP T. EARLY FROM US said:
In an odd way, democracy is taking hold in Iraq. I only hope American Muslims will start to speak in protest to the injust killing of Iraqi citizens. It is not our resolve that is being tested, but our democracy. These are not our values demonstrated by the military. God bless America, and give it the strenght to stand for what is right and descent: rape, prisoner torture, racist soldiers, is not what we are about. Stand up America for what is right, the future of a great nation is at stake!
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UMM MUHAMMAD FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
QUESTIONS:


How much of Iraqs economy will be open to foreign ownership?

Can Iraqs next government change this provision?

Will the communications minister be able to cancel the licenses the coalition awarded to foreign-managed companies?
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SUHAYB FROM CANADA said:
Inshallah the occupation armies will leave Iraq soon. the resistance had to build up, it's normal. Bush(or should i say Cheaney and Rumsfeld) tried the dividing scheme but it couldn't work for long. Iraq has 5000 yrs of history. Iraq is muslim, some of the greatest thinkers, leaders and artist we have came from this land alhamdulillah. America promised but didn't deliver as we all knew it would, now it must repare and leave.
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