The Long Ignominious Slide to Defeat in Iraq

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The worst nightmare for the American occupation has occurred. Portions of the Iraqi Shiite majority have risen in revolt. Full-scale civil war may be just around the corner.

The armed uprising by Shiite militias in four Iraqi cities, including the Baghdad metropolitan area, was well coordinated and deadly. The rebellion cost the lives of eight American soldiers and countless Iraqis. The revolt consisted of followers of militant cleric Moktada al-Sadr, who has militias numbering in the tens of thousands across Iraq, Although the American occupation had forbidden the bearing of arms, the militants brandished many weapons, including rocket propelled grenade launchers. They took over the streets, occupied police stations and attacked American forces.

Ironically, one of the motivating forces behind the bloodshed was censorship by the United States, a country that prides itself on the freedom of speech enshrined in the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Last week, U.S. occupation authorities closed down Al Hawza, Sadr's newspaper, charging that it had incited violence in Iraq. Yet the paper did not advocate attacks on Americans. As the U.S. authorities put it, the paper was guilty of "false reporting." That type of justification is eerily reminiscent of rhetoric from the Communist Soviet Union. The closing of Al Hawza, symbolic for many Shittes, ignited street protests that mushroomed and became more volatile by the day, culminating in the uprising.

Sadr, always hostile to the U.S. occupation, apparently now believes that peaceful Shiite demonstrations should be replaced by armed insurrection. He urged his followers on, stating that, "there is no use for demonstrations, as your enemy loves to terrify and suppress opinions, and despises people. Terrorize your enemy, as we cannot remain silent over his violations."

If the rebellion spreads within the Shiite population, which such events seem to portend, even senior U.S. military commanders admit privately that the chances dwindle drastically of keeping Iraq this side of the abyss. The U.S. civilian authorities in Iraq tried to put a brave face on the mayhem by opining that the rebellion made up only a small portion of the Iraqi population. But that proportion could grow over time in both Shiite and Sunni areas as the U.S. retaliates muscularly for the attacks by Shiite militiamen and the burning, dragging and hanging of corpses of already dead U.S. armed mercenaries by the Sunnis in Faluja. Such precipitous U.S. actions may very well incite a escalating cycle of violence-attack and counterattack-that could turn the bulk of the Iraqi population, both Shiite and Sunni, against the U.S. occupation.

Yet even if the "silent majority" of Iraqis remain supportive of U.S. forces, as the civilian occupation authorities claim, it may not be enough to save the American war effort in Iraq. The guerrillas know that the key to winning any guerrilla warfare is to undermine support for the war in the stronger party's homeland. In the Vietnam War, the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong, with significant support among the peoples of South Vietnam, were able to prolong the war long enough to exhaust the American public at home and prompt an eventual U.S. withdrawal. Similarly, in the American Revolution, the revolutionaries were able to eventually exhaust the British with the support of only one-third of the colonists. Thus, if even a minority of the occupied country's population is actively hostile to the outside power, a foreign occupation can fail. If the majority supporting the outside power believes that the armed minority will be around a lot longer than the occupiers-not an illogical belief given the short attention span of past U.S. nation-building-its support, out of self-preservation, may be very lukewarm or tepid. So the silent majority may be silent indeed.

Another major problem confronting the U.S. occupation, which was illuminated by the Shiite uprising, is the unreliability of the U.S.-trained Iraqi police and civil defense forces. Those forces fled at the sight of the heavily armed Shiite militias, allowing them to take over checkpoints and police stations. The idea that security in Iraq can be turned over to such forces is no more than a bad joke.

Adding to the reluctance of Iraqis to help occupation forces, foreign allies are unwilling to send added troops to help the United States try to control the chaos (in fact, one ally is already bailing out of the effort and another is grumbling being deceived) because of the Bush administration's pre-war arrogance and the prospect of retaliatory terrorism on their homelands. The Bush administration's balloon, filled with triumphalist hot air a year ago as U.S. forces entered Baghdad, has finally burst.

Ivan Eland is the Director of the Center on Peace and Liberty at the Independent Institute in Oakland, California and author of the book, Putting "Defense" Back into U.S. Defense Policy: Rethinking U.S. Security in the Post-Cold War World.


  Category: Middle East, World Affairs
  Topics: Conflicts And War, Iraq
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HUDD D'ALHAMD FROM CANADA said:
Nick, this is a joke, I hope, OBL as-Sadr's lieutenent? They don't mix, it's like oil versus water, but you already know that. About your comment to me, I must disapprove, US is the main source of oppression now. Before was Britain and other European colonialists. In order to secure Israel's security, now I am not quite sure if this was the issue or simply US interests in which US plays both the Jewish state and the Muslims. Because let's face it. From Israeli side, do the Israeli youth want to live like this? I don't think so. Let's not go on the Palestinian side, they don't have a life as we know it. So whom does this state of affairs serve? We know whom does affect. The worst thing your gov did was killing millions of Muslims, directly or facilitating it. I agree the governments of the Muslim countries are corrupt to the bone. The onus of shaking off their rule stands with its people. In due time they will implement a goverment on their liking. Here is the problem, the non-Muslim world do not want Islamic governments, they consider them a threat. Well, these countries are a threat anyway, Islamic govenment or not. The explanation is simple, these countries, Arab and Muslim are not taken into consideration as being part of the great human family. They are considered inferior, alien in every which way and dangerous because unknown. On a smaller scale, I look "white", people think I am German, French, Italian, Portuguese or Greek. Without opening my mouth they think I was Irish or Scott, any Brit, but unfortunately I speak American not British. I tell them I was Muslim. They put an argument with me, saying,"impossible! You cannot be Muslim!" I ask, "why?" they say,"because you are mannered and cultural and you are not brown!" Fine an explanation, wouldn't you say, Nick? On a larger scale, that's the idea:"Nothing good can come from the Muslims, they are barbarian non-Judeo-Christians, they must be savage and blood thirsty wanting our resources and women!" You dig?
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AHMED FROM UK said:
More "acc" using the monicker "abdullah hakim"
pretending to be a Muslim yet again. Pathetic.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Peace Hudd!

I don't buy your cop-out that the U.S. is the main source of oppression for Muslims. The worst thing that my government has ever done to the Muslim world would not compare to the systematic and daily denial of rights by Muslim rulers. So it boggles the mind that the Muslim world can hate some non-Muslims so much, since their own cause them more misfortune. And I believe that it's weakness that keep people in most Muslim countries from getting rid of their leaders. Blame where blame is due.

Regarding my "1 billion collectively decided" comment, don't whine to me if your own brethren have failed thus far from eliminating terrorism. Muslims need to accept the responsibility of reforming their societies, because American can't do it for them.

As far as your suggestion that Americans are in danger when travelling overseas, I thank you for confirming my point, if only in part. I said before that your kind of bigotry that you displayed here pervades the Muslim world, to the point that I could be a victim of a random act of violence based solely on my nationality. As much as Muslims in America face discrimination, it just doesn't compare with bigotry within the Muslim world. This is the kind of environment of intolerance that is the root of terrorism. No offense buddy (well actually, I don't care lol), but y'all need to fix things on that end.

One other thing, my young friend. The people of the Philippines endured many atrocities of a dictator as bad as your typical Muslim despot. But it all ended after 20 years when Filipinos collectively decided to topple their oppressor. And they succeeded in large part without the use of force (i.e. suicide bombers, kidnappings, blowing up babies in trains, etc.). So what's the Muslim world's excuse?

Let me guess, it's those evil Israelis and their "humiliating checkpoints". Oh yeah, and Fox News and Zionist-controlled Hollywood.

Peace out!
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ABDULLAH HAKIM said:
SALAAM. THE HOTHEADS OF FALLUJAH UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF IRAN AND HIZBOLLAH ARE SIMPLY PROLONGING THE CONFLICT AND CAUSING IRAQIS TO LOSE THEIR LIVES. IF MAHATMA GANDHI GOT RID OF THE BRITISH WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT, WHY DO ISLAMIC HOTHEADS KEEP ON STIRRING THE POT AND THEN EXPECT THE COALITION FORCES TO DO NOTHING. LET'S BE HONEST, IF AL-SADR BECOMES MORE HUMBLE AND LISTENS TO THE GUIDANCE FROM THE SENIOR CLERICS LIKE AYATOLLAH AL-SISTANI, THE CRISIS CAN BE RESOLVED. PROPER GUIDANCE NEEDS TO BE GIVEN TO
THE 20 SOMETHING HOTHEADS THAT THE MORE THEIR BRAVADO, THE LONGER THE AGONY FOR ALL CONCERNED.
LET THE SELF-APPOINTED AMBASSADORS TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND STEP BACK, THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO
GET COALITION TROOPS TO EXIT IRAQ. THIS IS NOT VIETNAM BECAUSE NO OTHER SUPER-POWER IS BEHIND
TO SUPPORT THE ARMY OF MAHDI. AL-SADR WOULD RATHER SACRIFICE IRAQI LIVES THAN GIVE UP HIS GRAB FOR POWER. ALSO, NO PERSON SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A PRIVATE MILITIA. THAT IS NEITHER DEMOCRATIC OR ISLAMIC. PRIVATE MILITIAS ARE CREATING CONFUSION IN AFGHANISTAN AND IN IRAQ.
IS IT ANY WONDER THAT IT IS SO DIFFICULT TO ESTABLISH DEMOCRACY AND THE RULE OF LAW IN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES. IT'S A CRYING SHAME.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Ahmed, while I don't know what it'd be like to be Red, it would be surprising if I were really Ahmed. Actually, that would be quite funny. Nonetheless, I'm fascinated by your suggestion that I'm a "good cop".

In the meantime, a top aide to al Sadr has been captured by U.S. forces. I'd much prefer that to be OBL, but this will suffice for now. Alhamdulilah. ;)
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AHMED FROM UK said:
I wouldnt be surprised at all to find that Cameron and the "Red blooded" chicken are the same.
Classic good cop bad cop routine. Not that it matters, liars and hypocrites are so easy to spot here pretending to give a damn about anything but themselves.
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HUDD D'ALHAMD FROM CANADA said:
Nick,your comment#:23045. you said:"While the Muslim world may have weaknesses now." It is not weakness, it is collective oppression and embargos by the so called freedom lovers, don't make puerile mistakes, somebody might take you for granted. That would make you happy, huh? Your comment becomes now mentally impaired:"If the 1 billion Muslims collectively decide to change the things for themselves and for the rest of the world for the better, then we'll all be better for it." Was there ever in the known and real history of mankind an incident that a multitude of people in the millions spread geographically over the world and belonging to hundreds of cultures, would simultaneously hug and kiss and decide that they would unilateraly become one voice and one will?! Are you insane? When did Europe get to do that? After 2000 years of wars between the peace-loving Christians? Give me a break. You know that what you say it's impossible, but you said these things in order you to be able to justify US atrocities in the world. I can see through you, you petty idiot. Then you continue:"But this can only happen if Muslims can cleanse their communities of the inequities of bigotry." Oh, no, you must think you blow us all off our feet. The mother of all earthen inequity and bigotry is USA. I would add, the mother of hypocricy, lie, cheat and murder. That's why US has now a problem. The problem won't go away, but will become more real than ever. Then you continued:"Otherwise, extremism will continue to threaten America, forcing its hand on intervention." Let me present you the situation in which the Americans brought themselves. Whenever overseas, an American would claim he was Canadian, out of fear for his life. In fact he can't afford to visit places, aside of Canada, without wetting their pants. They are afraid of being Americans, because their crimes amount to mountains. You can't go on the beach toting an M16, now without that an American is a puss outside US. Oh yeah!
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AKBAR KHAN FROM CANADA said:
While the artist formerly known as Nick parades around, running down Hudd Al'Hamd for what he said about filipino's and East Timorese, the irony is that the artist formerly known as Nick turns around and calls me a hypocrite. I think he is suffering from dillussions if he thinks that he can call people names while others cannot. Question..I wonder what that makes him? Unfortunately I cannot stoop down to his pathetic level because in Islam for me to call someone a Munafiq is difficult to do unless I truly know a person which is based on three differnt things. Anyways the concept the artist formerly known as Nick has about what a hypocrite is, is not in line with what the Qur'an teaches me. It is very difficult for a Muslim who knows what the Qur'an says, to label someone to be as such without truly knowing him/her.

So far I have been called a liar, and now a hypocrite. Hmm...I hope the artist formerly known as thinks of something new because really it doesn't affect me at all. Sticks and stones.

Allah knows me, and I surrender myself to him alone. Only he is worthy of praise, the exalted; and only from him do I seek forgiveness and mercy.

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AKBAR KHAN FROM CANADA said:
ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS NICK, You have made a complete ass of yourself by being a hypocrite youreslf in defending Red Blooded Yankee...
Muslims here are quick to call?? Muslims where?? Here...or over there? Up there!??

You make no sense ... Can you not see your own hypocrisy, how you ACCUSE Muslims for not speaking out against certain individuals, yet you on your own words come here and defend the excrement which visits this site - 'Red Blooded American' making excuses for him?

Your logic is flawed, and by coming here and pointing fingers at people makes you think that you are going to like I've said before, "win people's hearts and minds,", then you are basically doing one of two things -

You come here to yap on the way you do because you find enjoyment in being the ruthless self centred American which you are with your twisted comments,
or
You have no life even though your lost cause comments are not accepted by anyone. Because of your self-righteous attitude, you have become nothing more than a brainwashed, naturalized American with the inability to admit that you are WRONG...that this war is wrong, that your generalizations of Muslims are presumptions and not facts, that you of all people with your own words have acted in hypocrisy.

EVERYONE...Nick Cameron has no case, he is scrounging the way he has always done before...to him Muslims have committed atrocities against everyone, but no one else has ever committed atrocities against Muslims! And he uses 9/11 as his excuse, and motivation for this way of thinking.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
I should qualify my comments about the Muslim world. While the Muslim world may have weaknesses now, it doesn't have to be this way forever. If the 1 billion Muslims collectively decide to change the things for themselves and for the rest of the world for the better, then we'll all be better for it. But this can only happen if Muslims can cleanse their communities of the inequities of bigotry. Otherwise, extremism will continue to threaten America, forcing its hand on intervention. But that's for another discussion...
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Peace upon you all!

Ah, so Hudd D'Alhamd the racist has decided to pipe in. After all, he is the Muslim who enthusiastically proclaimed Filipinos and East Timorese to be dogs and prostitutes. But instead of owning up to his own flaws, he has decided to shift his guilt of bigotry onto others while claiming that all he was doing was "vehemently defending the cause of Islaam". Why our young friend Hudd qualifies his racism as a defense of religion is an interesting question. Naturally, such a claim would be unreasonable unless racism is part of Islam.

Of course, perhaps our young friend Hudd is feeling a bit ashamed now for his behavior, which is why he's trying to censor me in order preempt further embarrassment. Censorship is a typical tactic of tyrants, so it is ironic that Hudd has called for such things under the guise of "democracy". Fortunately for me, he poses no such threat to me since he lacks the charisma to be a tyrant.

As for Akbar Khan, he lies yet again when he claims that I make excuses for Red blooded american's prejudices. The plain truth is that I criticized Red for his comments. However, I did add that Muslims who attack non-Muslims for bigotry while ignoring the bigotry of their brethren, as he has done with Hudd, are hypocrites. And Akbar Khan knows that I've called him out as one, which is likely why he feels the need to continuously lie about me.

I will conclude with the following observation. Sometimes it takes courage and fortitude to confront members of your own community when they are wrong. It's this willingness to remain self-critical that keeps America strong. Based on what I've seen here, many Muslims unfortunately seem to lack this strength. If this a common problem in the Muslim world as I believe it may be, then the Muslim world will never muster the strength to check American power.

Salaam to those who support Truth. ;)
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Ahmed:

What on earth are you talking about? If you read my comments closely instead of skipping every 3rd word or so, you'd know I never claimed that Filipinos had anything to do with East Timor. And yes Marcos was a dictator, but how does this relate to the bigotry of Muslims on this site?

Fact is that Muslims here are quick to call out out other people for being prejudiced, but turn a blind eye when their own brethren are wrong. But just in case you're not reading carefully again, I'll put it simply:

Many Muslims here are hypocrites who lack the fortitude to confront bigotry from their own kind.

Wassalaam to ya, Ahmed!
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AKBAR KHAN FROM CANADA said:
Red Blooded American is a perfect example of the extreme American who comes to this website simply to run down Muslims.

The artist formerly known as Nick is making an excuse for Red Blooded American and claiming that we are hypocrites for responding to this individual's stupid comments.

The truth comes out about the artist formerly known as...
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HUDD D'ALHAMD FROM CANADA said:
I see Nick Cameron's filthy comments are posted, even then when accuses me of racism, on a criteria understood only by Americans and their dogs. The greatest dishonesty and hypocracy teaches, call on your enemy all the wrong you do and claim it as his! Nick Camarongan is the greatest racist, fascist and supplanter of Muslims that would hold to an human excrement delivered by a Muslim and chew it for days for a complete analysis.
I still wonder did the editor shut me out of this site keeping this despicable life form active and merry? Let's vote for it, to have a real democracy, would the visitors on this site rather see, Nick Cameron's anti-Islamic and fascist pro-American mental defecations or having Hudd D'Alhamd vehemently defending the cause of Islaam and teach those bastards that take a sling at Muslims a well taught lessen. By the way another gutty guy is missing from the comments: Ahmed Ashgher! Whatever happened to him too?! Is this an Islamic site or a site sponsored by Nick Cameron? If Nick doesn't like how he is treated for his mentally deficient comments he can leave and go on a Judeo-Christian site and vomit his venom on Muslims there wher he has an approving racist audience like himself. Racism is of many kinds, Nick's racism is the hypocritical one, hidden, that you don't know when it lashes at you under the cover of morality, democracy, human rights, etc. How can a pig like this be allowed to post and forbid it from your Muslim brothers. Nick Cameron is supporting this site or the Muslims?
Peace be upon you.
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AHMED FROM UK said:
Pathetic cameron, you are the hypocrite and a blatant liar. Nothin new with you as usual, the same old lazy rhetocric and ficticious history in action in a feeble attempt to go of on a tangent. Filipino's had nothing to do with East Timor, that would be Indonesia's one time military dictatorship, the same one installed and propped up by you Americans for decades. Speaking of the Philipines....kept that dictator Marcos in power a good 2 decades didnt you ?
You american fascists are a disgrace to the human race.
Long live a free Iraq, especially from murderous american terrorists and their proxys.
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MEBROCKY FROM USA said:
to Red Blooded American: Your comments are so ignorant,that I find it very hard to not reply in an inappropriate way. There are billions of Muslims around the world, and yes a few of them are rotten apples, but can any other group, culture or religion claim that nothing horrible has been done in their name - except maybe the Buddhists? Many Muslims in the Middle East are afraid of being run over by the West, since we have a long history of doing this. If our president was not so arrogant about how the great USA will liberate Iraq, and if we waited for the rest of the world to finally say enough to Saddam( the French, Germans, & Russians had a plan on the table at the UN which would have set benchmarks to measure the disarmement of Saddam, and if not followed, them action would be taken) - then the removal of this monster would have been tolerated much better. So please, if you are only here to insult people , then go somewhere else. As a red blooded, Christian American - you embarass me.
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UMM MUHAMMAD FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
MAYBE WE SHOULD IMPEACH PRESIDENT ASHCROFT-CHENEY-RUMSFELD?
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Red blooded american:

You know, it's not a good thing for you to insult an entire group of people for the conduct of a few. However, I believe that most Muslims here will have no moral right to attack you for your prejudices, since all of them chose to remain silent when one of their own racially attacked Filipinos and East Timorese.

So if any Muslim who said nothing about their own brother decides to criticize you, then he or she is a hypocrite with a double standard.
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YAMAZAKI FROM JAPAN said:
red blooded american...you're nothing but a pathetic and evil fascist. You've got the heart of a chicken. Long live a free Iraq, especially from american terrorism.
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AHMED FROM UK said:
To the terrorist called "red blooded american," its been a rough week has it not ? You wear defeat quite well. What a pathetic loser.
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L ALAHEM FROM USA said:
Asalaam alikum wa rahma tulahi.

I pray everyday that Allah will make his will known to the leaders of the nations, to return them to some kind of reason. I cannot believe the level of ignorance, and absolute stupidity that is in play, to jump into a bloodbath, invade a nation and have no plan on what to do when they "win". A year ago, I remember the bitter laughter when it was announced that the war was over and the US had won. I remember thinking, they can't be that stupid as to think that this is over. They were. How utterly sad.

To all you red blooded americans, you claim you are patriots? If so, I suggest you demonstrate this at the voting booths. And are you so shallow as to lay the latest bloodbath on the doorstep of Islam? HA! What would YOU do if a foreign government blew up your house, TO SAVE YOU? You would be in the street with the gun you keep in your pickup gunrack so fast it would make heads spin. It would be your patriotic duty! How dare you point to these people and claim yourself superior. We caused this bloodbath with our arrogance and absolute ignorance, and it will be up to us to end it, by swallowing our stupid pride, and appointing a civilian governing body to supervise general elections. Only then will we be allowed to gather our tattered dignity. We will be paying for this collosal blunder for many years. I only hope that we might repent soon, and win forgiveness from the country we have wronged. Allah forgive us all.

A Patriot
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RED BLOODED AMERICAN FROM USA said:
The events currently unfolding in Irag have shown me what Islam truly is- a barbaric ignorant religion full of radical zealots, cowards, and killers. Sunni's hiding behind women and children while attacking US troops, shooting from holy Mosques- what's the deal? Every action taken by the West elicits calls for a Jihad by one cleric or another- what a sad and shameful religion. I almost wish the US and coalition partners would leave simply leave Iraq so we could all watch the barbarians erupt into a total civil war in the name of your so called "Allah." May the lord have pity on your souls.

From one proud American!!!
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AHMAD ABDUL-AZIZ FROM USA said:
I THINK THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION HAS SOLVED ONE PROBLEM AND STARTED ANOTHER, THE REASON FOR THIS IS ONE: THEY GOT RID OF SADDAM,A PROBLEM LEADER AND TWO:THEY WANT TO TAKE OVER THE COUNTRY AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
I BELIEVE THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION HAS STUCK THEIR HANDS IN THE FIRE AND WILL PULL IT OUT TOO LATE!
THE SHIAS AND THE SUNNIS WILL COME TOGETHER AND RID IRAQ OF U.S. SUPERVISION.
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ABDULLAH HAKIM said:
SALAAM. EVERYBODY IS DOING THE BIDDING OF THE
MURDERER SHEIKH AL-SADR BY SHIELDING HIM FROM
THE LAW. THIS MAN HAS ORDERED THE MURDER OF A
RIVAL SHEIKH ABDEL MAJID KHOIE IN APRIL 2003 JST AFTER RETURNING FROM EXILE IN ENGLAND. SHEIKH
KHOIE WAS SAFER IN SO-CALLED KAFFIR ENGLAND THAN IN THE MASSJID IN IRAQ!! IN ORDER TO ESCAPE FROM THE RULE OF LAW, SHEIKH AL-SADR WOULD RATHER SEE THE WHOLE OF IRAQ IN FLAMES. THERE ARE ADVANTAGES IN HAVING ILLITERATE FOLLOWERS. SHEIKH AL-SADR IS TRYING TO MAKE A GRAB FOR POWER
AND A GRAB FOR THE OIL REVENUES OF IRAQ AND WOULD NOT MIND BECOMING THE NEXT AYATOLLAH SADDAM. IS EVERYBODY SO STUPID AS TO LET THIS CRIMINAL GET AWAY WITH ALL THIS. THERE ARE ONLY TWO SANE PERSONS IN ALL THIS TAMASHA: AYATOLLAH SISTANI WHO HAS CALLED FOR PEACE AND NEGOTIATION AND THE IRAN-BASED GRAND AYATOLLAH HOSSEIN ALI MONTAZERI
WHO HAS CONDEMNED AL-SADR AND HIS MEHDI ARMY. AYATOLLAH HOSSEIN SAID THAT IMAM MEHDI (WHO IS THE 12TH OF THE SHIA IMAMS WHO DISAPPEARED IN THE IRAQI CITY OF SAMARRA IN THE 9TH CENTURY AND THE SHIAS AWAIT IMAM MEHDI'S SECOND COMING)WOULD NEVER FOMENT AN OPPORTUNISTIC DIVISION AND DISUNITY NOR CONDONE VIOLENCE IN HIS NAME. OBVIOUSLY, ILLITERATE FOLLOWS OF AL-SADR DO NOT KNOW THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY OR THE FACT THAT THE SENIOR AYATOLLAHS WANT THIS VIOLENCE OF AL-SADR ENDED. THANK GOD THAT THE AMERICANS KNOW AL-SADR FOR THE MURDERER THAT HE IS. BISMILLAH.
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NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
What exactly were the "lessons of Korea"? At least half of that country benefitted from America's intervention against Kim Il Sung's Communist forces, which based on the present state of affairs of both Koreas was a good thing. Of course, our military didn't finish the job of uniting the Koreas because China got involved and stopped our military's advance.

So are the "lessons" that America shouldn't operate in regions that neighbor China? I see no relation to Iraq.
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ABU BAKAR BIN AHMAD FROM MALAYSIA said:
I rate of what's happening in Iraq as one of the US greatest blunders. They underestimated the will of the Iraqi people. The US seem to forget that the Syiah and the Sunnis in Iraq are fighting for their religion and country. Is it so hard for the Americans to understand? For the Iraqi people their stance is: thanks for getting rid of Saddam Hussein now please get out. They never learn the lessons from Korea and Vietnam: you can't defeat patriotism. Not matter how long it takes the US will suffer another round of defeat in its imperial ambitions.
May Allah SWT grace the peoples of Iraq the final victory and chase out the infidels.
Salam.
Abu Bakar
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WILLIAM FROM USA said:
The Americans have suceeded in unifying Sunni and Shi'a with a shared desire to end the occupation and subjugation of their nation.
As I write, thousands of Iraqis are marching to Fajullah to deliver needed food and medical supplies to their fellow countrymen who are under siege by the American military. For once George Bush is a uniter.
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ALMUSLIM FROM AFGHANISTAN said:
I just remeberd this Quranic aya: " wa makaroo wa makarallah wallahoo khairol makerin"

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MEBROCKY FROM USA said:
This article does, of course contain a lot of hard truths. The Bush administration, with its arrogant disregard for our allies, it's misleading of the American people, and its' rush into a war that was not necessary at this time - deserves this criticism. What this article does not do is present a fair case for the consequences of this war. Take a look at who exactly will be the winners and losers in this mess. Certainly the Iraqi people are at the top of both lists. They certainly are winners by being rid of a horrible immoral oppressive leader, and they are of course losers in this because of the thousands of people killed, and the devastation to their country. In addition to this they will certainly be losers if the aftermath of this war is that they end up trading one oppressive regime for another. American withdrawal at this point will leave the Iraqi people at the mercy of whoever has the most weapons, and power. I pray that I am wrong about this. The other big losers are the American people; whose loved ones lost their lives in this conflict. In addition there are millions here who are not getting important programs and help because of the billions being spent on this war. For the most part this means that once again, the people with the greatest need get nothing. Who else will be winners remains to be seen. The depiction of "democracy" as a bad thing seems a shame too. Americans certainly did not invent it, or even perfect it, but we most definitely benefit from it. What on earth is wrong with people being able to choose their own course? Can Islam and democracy go together, sure look at Iran. Things are still tough there, but they are working their way to a plan that will have Islamic inspired rule, but not be at the mercy of a handful of people, be they clerics notwithstanding. As much as I would like to see the, " Bush administration's balloon... burst", I pray that it is not at the expense of some many people who deserve so much better.
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ABU RAHIM FROM USA said:
In America the majority rules- at least in theory. The American installe so-called governing council in Iraq does not apply this same American principle.

I know very little about Moqtada al-Sadr but I pray for an all-out-state-wide revote by both Shia and Sunni. This is a seemingly sad pray but it is necessary for the future of other nations American may whish to "Make a regime change" in.

This is also a very sad time for the world because war and military aggression is about as out dated, as a belief in vampires. War will never be the solution for our inability live in peace together.

American by definition has become what it has always preached against. It is now applying the satanic Darwin theory of the strongest and the fittest.

What more can by said here. Many pray for bright sunny days but rain is a necessary element to replenish the soil. American must leave Irag to the Iraqi people, not the Shia, not the Sunni but the people of Irag.
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BRIAN FROM USA said:
It would be nice if there were actual facts put into articles instead of blatant propaganda. The US citizens who were Murdered and had their bodies desecrated to the point of barbarism were NOT mercenaries. They were guarding humanitarian aid for the citizens of that slime hole of a city (Yes, I said slime hole, if you can use rhetoric then so can I). It is people like you, my friend, who are responsible for such actions in Iraq, not the USA. It's your propaganda and rhetoric that feeds the poor ignorant muslims of the world. I feel for everyone who uses this website for guidance in the formulation of their ideals and guiding principles, and I pray to the one God, that you may see the light and repent before the Final Judgement of your soul.
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HUDD D'ALHAMD FROM CANADA said:
Iraq is the land of Hasan and Husayn. Their blood is impregnated in the land. It calls on the people of Iraq to fight injustice. It is inevitable, this is the way things are, somebody would put it. Muslims prayed for it and it is happening. It doesn't matter through what instrument, but the Iraqi people were meant to be free and sovereign. The American invasion was just a wake up call. It showed the Iraqis that if they do not take command of their historical destiny, then the enemies of Islaam would do it for them. The losses will be great, but the Iraqis lost more during their struggle for justice along the history. I believe there is only one country in the world that would have more martyrs than Iraq(I exclude cases of mass murder and genocide) and that would be Palestine. There was a bond between these 2 countries before, but now when they realized that they are wearing the same shoes, different sizes though, but same model, are even closer drawn together. Although the Sunni in the world are in greater number, somehow the Shiites have a holy pre-destination reserved to themselves. It was Hezballah(Shia group) that drove the despicable Israeli henchmen out of Lebanon. Inshallah, the Shia will be again victorious in the lands of Hasan and Husayn! Technically I would be considered a Sunni Muslim, but I refute that term I am a MUSLIM, period. As Ayatollah Khomeini,ai, stated:"Whoever makes an issue of Shia versus Sunni is an enemy of Iran and an enemy of Islaam." I share in to this view. Difficult times teach us Muslims to recognize one another as such, and not as denominations, alhamdulillah!
Peace be upon you all!
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KASHIF SHAIKH FROM CANADA said:
Peace,
I can only pray that the innocents caught in the cross-fire do not suffer too much. I feel that that longer American coalition remains the more chaos and longer the healing/rebuilding after they leave.
The personality arrogance of current Bush/Dick Cheney regime tell us that for pullout some other President needs to be elected.
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SAIMA KHALIL FROM USA said:
America was wrong to take preemptive, unilataeral action against a sovereign state. Hence, it will now suffer the repercussion that come with such haughty, abrupt decisions. It is unfortunate that so many Iraqis will suffer at the hands of the brutal Bush regime. I beleive the author has a valid point in regards to the strategy the Iraqi minority, who is opposed to the occupation, will use. The uprising is necessary for the world to see that the Iraqis will not succumd to a foreign power.
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