|Spain's general election winner Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero|
A Prime Minister is waging war. The great majority of the people oppose the war. The majority vote for the Prime Minister.
Absurd? Well, that was the situation in Spain. It also applies, more or less, in Israel. But here the similarity ends.
The Spanish people have thrown their Prime Minister out. The Israeli people go on supporting their Prime Minister.
The Spaniards, in their innocence, believe that if a Prime Minister does the opposite of what the great majority of the people want, he has to go. They think that this is what democracy is all about. In Israel, such a thing is unthinkable.
And that is not the only difference.
Of course, the Spanish people arrived at this conclusion under the influence of the big terrorist attack in Madrid. The Spanish reaction was very different from the usual Israeli one.
After the terrorist onslaught, the Spanish asked themselves: why did they do it? What caused this murderous attack on us? The logical answer was: the Prime Minister's policy has brought this on us. The conclusion: Let's find another one.
In Israel, such a question cannot arise. What brought the terrorist attacks on us? What sort of a question is that? The reason for terrorism is the inborn murderous character of the Arabs. It has, of course, nothing at all to do with the policy of our Prime Minister.
When a terrorist outrage happens here, logic flies out of the window. Instead of thinking and asking questions, people shout "Death to the Arabs", demand bloody revenge and gather around the Prime Minister.
Another difference: the Spaniards got angry. The Prime Minister lied to them. He exploited the outrage for his election campaign. When he already knew that all the signs pointed to Islamic fanatics, he pretended in public that the attack was perpetrated by the Basque ETA organization. He hoped to garner the votes of those Spaniards who oppose an independent Basque homeland. But the voters understood that this was a lie and did not like it. The Prime Minister is lying to us? To hell with him.
In Israel, when the Prime Minister lies, the public remains apathetic. The Prime Minister has lied to us again? So what? Isn't he always lying? Nothing to get upset about.
One can only envy the Spanish. After a horrible civil war, after decades of an oppressive dictatorship, in spite of domestic splits and many terrorist attacks, what a healthy reaction! What strong democratic instincts!
(By the way: some 500 years ago, half a million Jews were expelled from Spain. In the last decades, almost all the "Sephardim" - Sepharad is the Hebrew name for Spain - came to Israel. The great majority of them support Ariel Sharon. Why do the "Spanish" Jews in Israel react differently from the Spanish people back home?)
There is another difference between Spain and Israel, and it may be the decisive one.
Last year I visited Spain. Some days before I arrived, the Prime Minister's party had won an impressive victory in the local elections. The opposition Socialist Party was lying flat out. Everybody spoke of it with contempt, some with pain. The party was in ruins, perhaps beyond redemption.
And then it happened: the party replaced its old leaders with an energetic, fresh one, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero. With a lot of luck, this man has now led his party power.
When the Spanish people were fed up with their Prime Minister, they knew that there was a reasonable alternative. They could throw the ruling party out because there was another party ready to move in.
In Israel, these conditions do not apply. Our leading opposition party, Labor, is also a shambles, but there is no sign of recovery. Quite the contrary.
It is headed by a pathetic person who would make a deal with the devil for a place in Sharon's government. Its other old leaders, all of them certified failures, are already quarrelling about the chairs that Sharon may allot them, should he be so kind as to invite them into his cabinet.
The Israeli situation is surreal: according to all opinion polls, a large part of the public is fed up with the war, the bloody cycle of suicide bombings and targeted assassinations, the settlements and the settlers. They want a solution and are ready to pay the necessary price - the end of the occupation, a Palestinian state, the dismantling of the settlements, a reasonable compromise about Jerusalem, withdrawal to the vicinity of the Green Line. They want to shift our national resources from occupation and war to economic growth, education and social welfare.
So how does this translate into political realities? It doesn't. There is no serious political force able to offer an alternative leadership.
In Spain that was a temporary situation, which corrected itself in a natural way. In Israel, this situation seems to be permanent.
Therefore, one can not only envy the Spanish, but also learn from them. The political ball is round. It can turn suddenly. What seems to be impossible can become possible - if there are good people around, who can convert good intentions into political reality.
I hope that this will happen here, too. True, some people are already standing in line - Tony Blair and George W. Bush. What has happened to Jose Maria Aznar in Spain must happen to them, and I hope that it will. Then, with a lot of courage and a lot of luck, the turn of the fourth in the queue will come, and Ariel Sharon, another man of blood and lies, will be turned out.
In the meantime we salute our friends at the other end of the Mediterranean Sea - Bravo, amigos!
Uri Avnery is an Israeli journalist, peace activist and a former member of the Knesset
Now that I have clarified for all, we can put the matter to rest.
Secondly I agree with Umm Muhammad, OBL is our Muslim brother. At the same time the killing of innocents is unacceptable, no matter who does it.
OBL admitted to taking responsibility for the WTC bombings in 1992, the USS COLE, the US Embassy attack in Kenya in 98, and to all the other one'sreported by U.S. Media. But why has Osama not claimed responsibility for the WTC attacks of Sept. 11th? Have you people who are so easy to believe something asked yourselves the right questions at least?????? Look at the 9/11 inquiries adn the testimonies by members of the Bush and Clinton Administrations and ask yourselves why they received intelligence about aerial attacks that would be coming to the United States, and took no preventive measures, or eased tension at all in their relations with other countries? At least hold those who are present to be held accountable...how can you hold someone accountable of a murder if there is no public information that links this individual to that murder?
OBL is guity. Even he admitted that on video tapes when he praised the murderers. Not only that, but he also declared as early as 1998 that all Americans and Jews were legitimate targets, with no distinction between combatants and noncombatants. Add to that that he had the means and opportunity to train terrorists in Afghanistan, then it seems to me that there's ample evidence.
If you are American (and I don't doubt that you are, and my apologies for not realizing it in the beginning) then you know where I'm coming from with this. However, I think it's imprecise to distinguish between terrorism and injustice as you seem to suggest by talking about ending one before the other. To me, terrorism *is* injustice. So I don't "reverse" the two so much as say that they're one in the same.
Second why do you assume that he is guilty of these crimes just because some non-Muslims say he is?
WHY IS OSAMA BIN LADEN GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT?
I think we as Muslims should not put bad names on other Muslims and use bad language against them.
Don't believe everything the American media says about Osama Bin Laden, they lied before and years from now we will find out more lies!!!!
I NEVER suggested that terrorism was a justifiable way to air one's grievances. The killing of innocent people is abhorent and should not betolerated. I merely pointed out the root causes of terrorism and what should be addressed in order to stamp it out.
I am as American as you are and love this country no less, however, I do strongly oppose U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East which I believe is the CAUSE why someone like OBL resorted to terrorism in the first place. OBL is a monster created by U.S. unjust policies in the Mideast.
You are saying that terrorism should cease FIRST and I am saying INJUSTICE should stop FIRST! as the former is the EFFECT and the latter the CAUSE!
You reversed the two.
I opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq, so I choose not to debate you on the issue. Regarding the War on Terror in Afghanistan, I support my government 100%. Even Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, OBL's former #3, admitted under interrogation that our military's operations in Afghanistan disrupted Al Qaida and hindered further attacks on the U.S. post-9/11. I want my government to act boldly when confronting our real enemies, because in doing so my family remains safe.
And one other thing. Sudah lama Ada Jemaah Islamiya di Malaysia. Those people want to wreak havok in the Philippines because they hate Catholics. America did not cause their terrorism because the Moro extremists and their Malaysian and Indonesian allies had been engaging in terrorist conduct in Mindanao for decades. Tapi tidak apa-apa karena your country has decided to cooperate with Bush in the War on Terror, so things might get better for the Philippines. But I will say no more because this is a sensitive topic for me.
Adios to you too.
The terrorism perpetrated by Muslim extremists was indeed not born in a vacuum. And I can accept for the sake of this particular discussion that terrorists believe that they are reacting to injustice. But in doing so, they are committing an injustice themselves. That is the key to the point I'm making here. You see, as long as terrorism remains a threat to the American people, my fellow citizens will not be as sympathetic to your cause as they could be. OBL once said on a recording sent to Al Jazeera that the American people have "not learned their lesson" from 9/11, as if he had the authority of God to punish us! Anyways, he was wrong, because he taught us that innocent Americans are now just as much a target as innocent Israelis. *You* think of this objectively. Would most people you know feel sympathy for someone who killed their family? If not, then why do you expect Americans to suddenly be more understanding when Muslims say tell us that our "Zionist" ways caused 9/11?
Finally, I'm hardly "anti-Muslim". Islam is a beautiful way of life regardless of what Christian conservatives say. And I understand that Muslim people have grievances against my government (i.e. U.N. vetoes, aid to Israel, etc). But you have to understand that we have our own grievances too now, and my government will do what's in the interests of the American people to remedy our situation with or without the support of the Muslim world.
If terrorism ends, then I think you'll have a very receptive audience in America. After all, the sheer weight of American public opinion was enough to force our Republican President to actively pressure South Africa to end Apartheid. But until then, this is how things stand.
Al-Qaeda was NOT born our of a vacuum. Terrorism is NOT a hobby but rather a reaction to extreme injustice. Instead of blindly parroting the universal chorus of condemnation and outrage, consider an objective analysis of terrorism.
The United States has a track record of supporting dictatorships, overthrowing democratically-elected goverments and supporting oppressive regimes like Israel, vetoing every single Security Council Resolution condemning the brutal and repressive policies of the one country that is the root of all evil in the Middle East. Osma Bin Laden and his terrorist network are the product of a Arab/Muslim anger and frustration over decades of systematic oppression and injustice imposed by the West in general and the United States in particular on Arab/Muslim countries and peoples.
The British and the French divided and then plundered the Arab world for over one hundred and fifty years. France occupied north Africa, Syria and Lebanon. The British took over the rest of the Arab world, subjugating its people and plundering its wealth. In recent history, the United States helped bring Arab dictators to power and overthrow, and sometimes kill, anyone who did not serve its post-colonial policies. Oil was the major driving force behind Desert Storm I and II. It is no coincidence that American presence in the Arab world is right on top of the largest oil reserves in the world.
THESE are the reasons that made Bin Laden and his cohorts terrorists.
In order to cure the cancer of terrorism, you need to deal with the root causes. Killing Bin Laden and his followers alone will NOT stop terrorism.
Reversing U.S. policies in the Mideast and addressing Arab/Muslim legitimate grievances will certainly stop terrorism.
Everybody in the US, the UK and the rest of the world (as it sounds very unimportant to you estadounidenses y britanicos) knows the american and british intelligence have mocked enough on the humble citizens of both countries. Kerry has won substancial votes and Kelly very-very sadly has lost his life over these fabricated stories on iraqi nuclear project, al-Qaeda in Afghanistan etc. To nicky and people like Nicky, don't shut your eyes on how much afghanis and iraqis have suffered after the invasion. They lack even the very basic need in human life while you norteamericanos y ingleses quarrel in courts over spilt hot coffee.
Lastly, Nicky amigo, I am not Spaniard. I was there while studying in a university in Madrid and now I'm with the humble people in my country Malaysia. Thanks Nicky for all your time and opinions. Adios.
I am not "insensitive". I recognize that each country has its own national interests at stake, and therefore each country has a right to do what it believes would best promote those interests. That being said, I think that you're wrong to believe that Aznar brought the Muslim terrorists into your country. Anyone in the intelligence or law enforcement business in Europe will tell you that Al Qaida has been on your continent for years, even before 9/11. And your country's decision to join the coalition would not have changed that fact. Even Turkey, which was stridently opposed to the recent war, recently suffered several terrorist attacks by Al Qaida. And France is also currently dealing with threats over their hijab ban.
The Muslim terrorists in your country will not leave even after your government withdraws from Iraq. It's high time that Europeans wake up to the reality that Islamic extremism is not just an American problem.
by another into fight he doesnt want.
First thank you for making your views clear but let us cut the rhetoric about what constitutes a 'muslims' country. We know that and perhaps you do not - so jsut do your geography.
This is what you said:
"Once a country has it the world is worse off."
"people who sell the technology to others."
"Nuclear proliferation is a bad idea."
I agree with all that but remember that the only nuclear bomb used in history so far was used by your country. and you are right you will be accused with hypocracy in saying that the US should have it but not others.
"I hope the main aim of our country is to stop proliferation and then rid ourselves of the bomb."
keep on dreaming! OR do something about it. become a member of a peace movement or anti-nuke. Don't just hope. For evil to flourish, it takes good men to remain silent.
"Do you think the world would be safer if syria and iran had the bomb."
No, I don't think so but neither Iran nor Syria has nukes. Now let me ask you a question: Do you think the world is safer because Israel already has more than 200 nukes? and it has threatened to use it as a "pre-emptive" stike against any country and even non-nuke country. Remember in addition to such nukes, Israel also has great amount of biological weapons and labs that will make Franstein's house look like a child-play. Guess what Chris: Your country has supplied them all that and continues to do so _ Ther goes your WMD and its theory of non-profilation!
Now consdier this. In a volatile area like the Middle East; Do you think Iran is going to live uder the shadow of Israeli nukes with its constant threat against all its neighbours? Put yourself in their shoes and you'd be racing to get nukes too. and you are to blame.
" hope we do not go to war with syria or iran."
The neocons have it on plan to do so. Stop hoping and try stopping them before it is too late even tho they have been stalled in Iraq.
Abdallah Al Saadi
Those articles were the most readily available at the time; in fact, I've seen many of the same things from a variety of sources. Even as recently as a few days ago, CNN did an interview with a Palestinian mother who claimed that she would not stop her little son from becoming a "martyr" through suicide bombing. So when I say "irresponsible", I'm putting it diplomatically. Such behavior is *unconciounable*, and it shows a lack of respect for God's gift of life.
Dont worry though at this rate, both Phony Tony and your own dim witted Fuhrer will looking for new jobs soon.
Spaniards simply took their country back from a lying president who saw the millions coming out against invading Iraq yet Aznar chose to entertain Bush and send his troops to invade Iraq.
Europeans understand that you should not attack a country which presents no threat to you at worst and at best it has not attacked you. But your president had this war on his 'things to do' list before he took his office. There is no denying that Iraq had no link with OBL. That Iraq did not do 911. So why loose focus on OBL and attack a weak country? What is your purpose in doing that? Please as an American explain this to us all here for once and all. and stop beating around the bush! pardon the pun.
In your denial you can resort to rehtoric that Spaniards appeased the terrorists. They simply took the line not to get involved in lies and risk the lives of their citizenery for a war that truly ahd nothing to do with terrorism or threats agaisnt their country.
I await your explanation as to why you think atacking Iraq was a good thing to do and that all the world should back America in its attacks agaisnt muslim countries, like Afghanistan, like Iraq and now as being planned against Syria and Iran?
Do I need to somehow "learn" that if I don't get what I want from the leaders of a country, then it's okay for me to blow up the country's children?
Listen, I want to go to heaven, not hell. And that's where these treacherous, murdering dogs are headed.
The Spaniards were mocked as appeasing the terrorists by the same pro-Israeli, anti-Islamic fanatics when they choose to oust their hawish PM Aznar for taking their country headfirst in one of the most unpopular war in Spainish history. The voters were fed up with Aznar lies, crookedness, and thousands of IRAQI INNOCENT CIVILIANS DEATHS as a DIRECT RESULT OF THE ANGLO-AMERICAN INVASION of IRAQ!
It's time Americans woke up and gave Bush the same taste of defeat as the brave Spaniards did against Aznar.
My comments are directed to Nick Cameron who seems adamant in equating the Palestinian peoples just struggle for independence against Israel as being "irresponsible." Honestly sir, I don't find anything irresponsible for Palestinian parents urging their children to fight for their land against a military juggernaut who controls their land and with it their self-determination hopes.
As for you getting the propaganda pictures from the ultra right-wing, neoconservative Worldnetdaily.com, that fact alone speakes volumes about your slanted views regarding the middle east and Islam.
I agree with Ahmed Asghar! Well said. People like Ronnie and Franky need to get educated. yes, innocent people are dying on both sides, the fact is no one bothers to look at why this is happening. To end this, we need to root out the main cause: INJUSTICE. Until that happens, don't be suprised and shocked at every attack. Enough is enough.
You said, "They didnt kill him any time but after Fajr (morning) prayer coming out of the mosque. What does this tell us about Israel? IT HAS NO RESPECT FOR ISLAM WHATSOEVER! By doing that act it basically said "screw Islam" excuse my language."
Let's be 4 real here, okay?
Muslims brag about how they pray 5 times a day, right? So, at practically any time of day (except in the middle of the night) a Muslims will be either getting ready for prayer or coming out from it. Would you feel better if they did in the dark of night when no prayers were going on? Let's be serious.
You also said: "We are Peace Makers and not terrorists."
I have not seen or heard about Muslims as a whole being "peace makers" since the time Islam began. During your prophet's lifetime alone, there were more than 60 battles that the Muslims fought in!
WHEN has Islam EVER been at peace, either with the rest of the world or even with themselves? Please educate me here, cause I've read LOTS of Islamic history and it's riddled with battle after battle and conquest after conquest.
Where exactly IS this peace that Islam is supposed to bring? You can't even stop fighting among yourselves, let alone get along with the rest of the world.
If these "Islamic fanatics" have a problem with the GOVERNMENT, why do they then find it justifiable to go after the INNOCENTS of the country??? Is this guy serious? Does he not see the tremendous FLAW in his NON-logic, here?
The people who committed this great injustice to INNOCENT people will receive the ultimate punishment of hell for all eternity for what they have done.
The reason I originally said that it seems that many Palestinian parents are irresponsible are because of the propaganda coming out of the Palestinian side of this war. The following are just a few of many pictures I've seen:
You might find some of the articles on these sites objectionable, but those pictures seem authentic to me. And I've seen many others from various websites. Here are a couple articles from the World Net Daily's website regarding Palestinian children:
Anyways, this is why I initially said what I said about irresponsible Palestinian parents.
I think the reason why I'm not so quick to judge IDF troops is because of our own history. Viet Nam demonstrated to us that we live in a world in which even children carry bombs. From 30 ft away, rocks don't look excessively different from grenades to me. How would I react with my adrenaline flowing and my heart poinding? In any event, I must emphasize that I don't know what IDF troops are thinking when hit children who throw rocks. Ultimately, the only way people could find out is if these soldiers stood before a hearing or something similar. Whether such things take place is something I don't know.
let me ask you Frnky boy: What if you and your family were at the brunt of this Zionist paln and had your ancestral home and farm stolen from you and most of your family either killed, amimed or send into exile and later some 50 years on you saw your tormentors being given the high mantle in society whislt you still had to fight for a crust of bread. And to add insult to injury you were given NO recourse whatsoever to take your case to any court in the land. In short you were reduced to zilch.
Tell me: How would you react? But let me tell you you'd still be "sick" as you mentioned it but add to it. Enraged and perhaps suicidal - and please spare me the Mahtma Ghandi feelings - I am yet to see a white American have such high ideals.
And I tell what you really would not want. That is knowing that your enemy is armed to his teeth with the latest arsenal and funded by the biggest super-power whilst you have nothing except some stones and stone-age weapons and no access to other lands to gain weapons then let me tell you Franky boy - THE LAST THING YOU"D WANT IS AN OPEN WAR coz that would be suicidal BUT if that be the case then why not take some of your tormentors with you to hell. Perhpas now you get the message.
For one try putting yourself in someone else's shoes b4 you decalre open war on them.
There is the popular hadith which states that if any part of the ummah hurts, then all of us should feel the pain.
When I finished reading about this kind Muslimah mother of two, I wept in front of my wife, who regularly wears hijab out in public in the United States.
When anyone reflects on the word oppression, it's easy to place the term deep in the past, indirectly assuming that oppression somehow is antiquated.
I'm no longer in denial. Oppression is an everyday reality for most Muslims around the world. Ironically, Muslims very likely have the most freedom to practice their deen in the United States, a country typically known for its support of unsavory leaders in Israel and in the Middle East. Even more ironic and definitely tragic is that, while we have freedom in the U.S., several American Musilm women don't even bother to wear
hijab, and too many men can't be bothered to pray or to seek knowledge for the sake of Allah.
What is the answer to the tyranny and madness in today's world. As Muslims, we must make education of our youth a top priority. It's easy for all of us to build new masjids, but what will we do if one day there's no one interested in attending because they don't know anything about their deen?
Another answer is that Muslims have to be better organized. As a revert to Islam, I've observed how too often we are unorganized when a major news event happens.
Take, for example, the movie the Passion of the Christ. I know Islamicity.com has featured articles on the issue, but the effect is simply "preaching to the choir," a popular saying which means that we already agree with what you're saying. How many of us have attempted to contact the mainstream media, our non-Muslim friends, or our government officials?
Muslims, let's start loving our um
I approve with the article more than being neutral. Only, I strongly believe, that all these things are preventable, 9/11, 3/11 and all the killing. I wish that either USA or Israel wouldn't need some kind of apocalyptic human catastrophe to be compelled to do things right. Maybe, from where I stand, Canada, the situation out there in Israel/Palestine has a simple, common sense resolusion. It makes you wonder, why? Could you answer that Uri Avnery? In my regard, I believe that either the Israelis and the Palestinians would like to live like anybody else in the world at large, meaningful lives! What freedom is that in a highly militarized state like Israel, in a wonderful climate. But empty streets, empty shops, scared to death people, not socializing, but ever in foreboding expectation: where? When? On the other side, the Palestinians with no future, no life, curfew, razor-wires, checkpoints, soldiers, soldiers and again soldiers...one wonders, "Is the whole nation of Israel just a huge military base?" There is a 1967 Green Line. Why can't Israel stand by that? Because of Jerusalem? Make Jerusalem a Universal City. Make it an example of co-existence, gun free, police like in used to be London England(not anymore) only batons, no side weapon. Make it a capital crime to have a gun in Jerusalem for anybody. Then have two states Israel and Palestine. It sounds simplistic from here, Canada, I know, the cold makes us sleepy and dreamy, I guess...
With all due respect, dear brother, you make yourself sound heartless and in my opinion misguided when you dismiss Israel Army shootings of recalcitrant children. (Are we no more than beasts?) Were any of the members of America's armed forces or law enforcement agencies to engage in that sort of thing, they would find themselves "crucified" throughout the American media. If an American political appointee was to imply that the parents of a child shot by a police officer for throwing a rocks at a patrol car were the ones responsible for their child's death, that political appointee would shortly thereafter find themselves unemployed. As to why otherwise sensible sounding Americans would seem to tolerate that sort of behavior on the part of America's allies is beyond my comprehension, particularly when those otherwise sensible sounding Americans are partially footing the bill.
Now, as for my previous speculation regarding the apparent inclination on your part to start arguments at funerals, I for one am grateful that you have made the effort, in your initial response to this particular article, to continue the discussion elsewhere. (Grateful to God, that is.) Again, peace be with you.
Also, don't most Muslim respond to any incident by blaming America instead of their own dictators or Kings.
Why don't we clean up our own act first before blaming the whole world for it lack of logic.
This is a war against Islam! How are we terrorists? First off, America is helping out Israel, its bombing Iraq and bombing Afghanistan. They are killing our brothers and sisters...What kind of a war on terrorism...WHO ARE THE TERROISTS...AMERICA! WHO ARE THE KILLERS?! Secondaly what happened in Israel two days ago...Shaikh Yassin was known as the Shaikh of Palestine and they killed him with three missles from a helicopter! They didnt kill him any time but after Fajr (morning) prayer coming out of the mosque. What does this tell us about Israel? IT HAS NO RESPECT FOR ISLAM WHATSOEVER! By doing that act it basically said "screw Islam" excuse my language. Lastly we got the hijab in France. What people don't understand is that hijab is something that Muslims women MUST wear. The cross and the skullcap are something that you can wear. France is trying to seperate "chruch and state" but what they dont understand is that Islam is the way Muslims run thier lives...you cant seperate it. This is a war against Islam and it is a war in which we as muslims must show the world who we really are. We are Peace Makers and not terrorists. May Allah help our brothers and sisters and children all around the world. May Allah help them from the suffering that they go through every day. May Allah help us and guide us the straight path. Amen
Why do you keep attacking people just because they disaqgree with you? You should learn to be nicer to people because most are decent fellows.
I did not wage war against an entire country, for I am but a simple man. End of story.
Palestinians want Israeli's to stop assasinating their leaders, and they want them to stop shooting their children in the heads, for them to stop demolishing thousands of their homes; to stop confiscating their 1000 year old property, farming lands, houses, roads, wealth by snaking a God forsaken wall through their homes.
It's good that finally you silly American, you can admit that you don't give a damn about who wins, but goes to show to the entire world your true courage..bravo peace maker and saviour to humanity, mr. I live in the most powerful country in the world, I am so proud to wear a shirt that looks like the star spangled banner....what a disappointment....go read Mr. Clark's new book and watch his testimony at the 9/11 enquiries and direct your ridiculous rage towards your administration.
I just want to point out the mentality of the palestinians which to me was perfectly reflected in the comments of the new HAMAS leader. He said that his dream was to see is two sons grow up and becaome suiside bombers against Israel. This coming from a doctor for children. What kind if dream it that to have for your kids???? When I heard this, i lost all respect for those people. The only way i can see this conflict coming to an end is for one side to have total victory in a major battle. Hopefully it happens soon, because i'm sick and tired of hearing and seeing this bullshit conflict. There are a lot of people who think like me, so don't fool yourself. Look at the history, look at the facts and look at the realistic solutions...
Leftist thought has no context, or logical reasoning.
As long as the death cults use murder of innocents to achieve their political ends, they will fail, as all blackmail fails in the end.
Evidence of that failure is clear, for what have the death cults accomplished for their people, but to live in squalor, to live under tyranny, and to refuse modernity.
Mass denial, and brainwashing the young for suicide is 7th century thinking, and the proof is in front of your eyes.
Work hard, educate, produce, invent, and create, will be your sweetest revenge.
The Spanish asked themselves, why did they do it?
Same as 9/11. They must be a reason!
"Once we finish our tasks in Iraq"
Pray tell us what is that. You must have a direct line to the President Nick! Even a true blooded American never gloats like this!
And please spare me the words "terrorists' and "bringing democracy to Iraq".
I will make one bold prediction: America will have its tail between its legs when she leaves Iraq. It has bitten more than it can chew. Destruction of a country and murdering of civilians has a price and karma will visit you. That is the difference between you and the Spaniards for they know not to interfere in other people's affairs when those people have not done them any harm. Sooner or later if you poke your dirty nose in other people's affairs it will get burnt. Mark my words. That is the nature of this universe. It is only a question of time. History is there for those who want to learn lessons - but your idiot President actually boasted that he does not read books and that the only book he reads is the Bible! So much for idiots.
So, tell us Nick: What is your grand mission for Iraq now that you have waged an illegal war on a defenseless country? By the way try picking on someone your own size for a change, like say, China? They have lotsa WMD and have threatened and invaded their neighbours and they don't have a good human rights record.
I agree that America's efforts in the War on Terror may have been misplaced. Fact is that our enemies weren't really hiding in Iraq. As the Madrid bombings demonstrate, they are presently hiding in EUROPE. Once we finish our tasks in Iraq, we should concentrate more on helping our allies throughout the world fight terrorism. Al Qaeda is a network, so we must network accordingly.