Mayhem in Madrid

Category: Europe, World Affairs Topics: Conflicts And War, George W. Bush, Iraq War, Spain Views: 4157
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A woman holds flowers as hundreds of Moroccans showed support for victims of the Madrid train bombings

It appears that the Spanish people can thank the Bush administration for the horrendous bombing of four commuter trains in Madrid that killed 200 people and injured 1,500. Although the New York Times editorialized that the attacks were a "reminder that terrorism is a worldwide threat and that fighting it is not America's problem alone," Spain was not attacked randomly. It was apparently attacked for being one of the few nations in the world to support the unnecessary U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Radical Islamic terrorists have apparently struck again, causing mass carnage and the demise of an allied government that has provided key support to U.S. Iraq policy. A videotape, if authenticated, indicates that Spain was attacked for its close association with the U.S. war on Iraq. Thus, contrary to the Bush administration's attempt to make a silk purse our of a sow's ear, the U.S. occupation of Iraq has not drawn terrorists away from other places into Iraq but seems to have acted as a recruiting poster for Jihadist attackers around the world. Also, terrorist attacks around the world since September 11-for example, Spain, Indonesia, Morocco, Turkey and Saudi Arabia--indicate that the Islamist militants are attempting to attack cooperative U.S. friends and allies to drive a wedge between them and the superpower. With the fall of the supportive Spanish government and the substitution of a far less compliant Socialist one, the terrorists may very well have accomplished that goal vis-a-vis Spain.

And apparently the Spanish government may have been as devious about the cause of the attacks as the Bush administration has been about the urgent need for a war in Iraq. With the Spanish elections imminent, at least some circumstantial evidence exists to support the Spanish electorate's suspicion that the government of Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar initially blamed Basque separatists for the incident to attempt to dissociate the carnage from its unpopular policy of energetically supporting the U.S. war on Iraq (90 percent of the Spanish public had opposed this policy). According to a Spanish counter terrorism official, Spanish security forces had been following several of the five men arrested long before the bombing. Furthermore, Spanish officials and public and secret court documents indicated that at least one of the suspects, Jamal Zougam, had been linked more than two years ago with an al Qaeda cell operating in Spain.

Public ire over the bombing and the Spanish government's handling of it could put intense pressure on the incoming Socialist government to fulfill a pledge to withdraw Spain's 1,300 troops in Iraq absent a United Nations mandate.

For the Bush administration, the bombing in Spain, the repudiation of a government closely allied in the war and the possibility of a Spanish troop withdrawal add to the heap of bad tidings coming out of Iraq at a time when reporters will be doing stories on the first anniversary of the war (coming up March 19). First, last week at a congressional hearing, George Tenet, the CIA's director, admitted that he had corrected misstatements by Vice President Cheney on Iraq and would have to do so again. Second, recently an Iraqi interim constitution was signed but is probably not worth the paper it's written on because intense disagreements were papered over and many major issues were left un-addressed. Third, the most powerful Iraqi, Shiite cleric Ayatollah al Sistani, continues to insist on democracy while the Bush administration figures out how to "democratize" Iraq without getting an outcome it may not like. Fourth, American casualties continue unabated as six U.S. soldiers were killed last weekend with ever more sophisticated roadside bombs. Fifth, anti-war protests are resuming-this time with the participation of relatives of soldiers killed during the quagmire.

When the principal original justification for fighting a war proves to be empty-in the Iraq case, the absence of weapons of mass destruction-deceased soldiers' kin start to question whether their loved ones may have died in vain. Such questions, however, don't trouble the Bush administration's chairborne architects of the war. When asked by CNN's Late Edition whether the war was worth the lives of the 564 U.S. troops killed to date, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld opined, "Oh, my goodness, yes. There's just no question ... 25 million people in Iraq are free."

The Bush administration has been very cavalier about spending other peoples' (Americans' and now their allies') money and lives on George and Don's Big Iraqi Adventure. But the natives in America and Spain may be getting restless.

Ivan Eland is the Director of the Center on Peace and Liberty at the Independent Institute in Oakland, California and author of the book, Putting "Defense" Back into U.S. Defense Policy: Rethinking U.S. Security in the Post-Cold War World.


  Category: Europe, World Affairs
  Topics: Conflicts And War, George W. Bush, Iraq War, Spain
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MADMAX FROM MAGHREB said:
The Bush regime card deck. http://www.reseauvoltaire.net/IMG/pdf/bushregimedeck.pdf
2004-03-23

NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES said:
Motives of terrorists are beside the point. Moral people condemn their criminal behavior without condition. Those who wish to find excuses or justifications for such crimes are at best morally weak.

God forgives wrongdoers who repent, but He does not forgive excuses.
2004-03-22

NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES said:
Hudd D'Alhamd:

Your decision to resort to insults and other rude behavior is quite common in the Muslim world. Therefore, I dismiss it as such. Why anyone would join a community in which so many of its members endorse such conduct is beyond me. But that is for Muslims to deal with.

In any event, I'm hardly a "fundamentalist". I'm just a simple man who desires little more from life than to be given a chance to live free from injustice. I don't know much about Algeria and frankly I don't care, because Algeria has no relevance to my life. What would bother me, however, is if an Algerian Muslim came to the U.S. for the sole purpose of doing harm to those I care about dearly. And the fact is that there have been a number of foreign Muslims who have come to my country specifically to do such harm.

So has the Muslim world done enough to protect us against its extremists? The events of 9/11 as well as previous acts of terror against our citizens abroad has shown us that historically it has not. Therefore, my government should use any reasonable means to aggressively defend the lives of Americans both here and abroad. And until the Muslim world eradicates terrorism originating its own communities, my government should use such reasonable means whether or not the Muslim world approves.

That's how it has to be, so peace unto you.
2004-03-22

HUDD D'ALHAMD FROM CANADA said:
Thanks Zinedine. I am flattered and honoured of your comment. I would be even more honoured if you would state as country Canada. You live in Canada, that would make you my compatriot. Canadian People like you make me proud. It doesn't matter wherer you were born or came from, you live in Canada, you are Canadian, welcome! When Tariq brought the Moores from Marakesh onto the shores of al-Andalus, he burnt their boats. The Moores screamed:"How are we going to return to our homes?" Tariq spreading his hands said:"Look around you, children of the dunes! This is your home. Forget the sands and the oasis, you are now to inhabit a beautiful garden, your new home!"
I try to figure out people like these fundamentalist Christians like, Nick Cameron, Christopher Ward and others, but I can't. Somebody must be either a complete numbskull or the embodiment of the absolute evil! What is more shocking, the Bush government is losing face, but these people support it out of fear that the Muslims will win over and change their lifestyle. They are free like anybody else to choose Hell over Paradise. Nobody is going to force anyone to choose. The fear still stands. Is that because even in a so called democracy we would still win? I guess so. Didn't the brave people of Algeria chose Islaam over democracy? Why doesn't USA enter Algeria and restore order: The will of the people! I wonder, if the people chose democracy and the government would have imposed Islaam, what would have the Western powers say or do? In that case isn't democracy an oxymoron?! Because if democracy means the will of the people what rules Algeria is not democracy, but Islaam would be, because that would be what the people chose. Pathetic, isn't it? And how many terroristic actions took place in Algeria? Now who is the terrorist? All I can say, the politicians of the West manipulate their own people, it's not only brainwash, but a narcoleptic intellect condition.
2004-03-21

ZAKI AHMED FROM INDIA said:
ASSALAMU ALAIKUM
MY DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS,ISLAM AND OUR BELOVED PROPHET SALALLAHU ALAYHIWASALLAM ALWAYS SUPPORTED PEACE AND STRIVED FOR PEACE ALONE. THE WARS IN ISLAM TOO WERE FOUGHT TO ESTABLISH PEACE AND THAT TOO EVERLASTING PEACE. BUT WITHOUT JUSTIFYING THE MADRID EVENTS ,LETS FIRST OF ALL ASK OURSELVES WHY THESE EVENTS SHOULD HAPPEN ? IS IT THE HANDIWORK OF ALIENS OR CANNIBALS OR IS IT THE WORK OF A SANE HUMAN BEING WHO CANNOT ANSWER TIT FOR TAT OPENLY WHICH COULD RESULT IN TOTAL ANNHILATION OF THE PERSON OR GROUP OF PERSONS. THERE ARE CHILDREN AND ADULTS MURDERED ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS SYSTEMATICALLY , INNOCENTS IN IRAQ IN THE NAME OF WMDS, AN ISLAMIC REGIME IN AFGHANISTAN TOPPLED. NOW DO YOU GET TO SEE A WHITE HOUSE PRESS RELEASE OR AN EUROPEAN COUNTRY CONDEMNING ISRAEL FOR ITS CRIMES . NOW IF I SEE THIS AS A NEUTRAL OBSERVER THIS GROSS INJUSTICE WOULD AFFECT MY CONSCIENCE . SO ITS NATURAL FOR A MUSLIM TO REACT TO SITUATIONS LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN MADRID. EVEN THOUGH IT HAS NOT BEEN PROVED BEYOND DOUBT THE ORIGIN OF THE PERPETRATORS ,IN THE MIND OF THE MUSLIMS THERE COULD BE A SENSE OF A FEELING OF JUSTIFICATION FOR THE VERY FACT THAT KILLINGS GOING ON IN IRAQ , MAFIA STYLE SLAYINGS WHICH GO UNCONDEMNED IN PALESTINE , THE TOPPLING OF GOVERNMENTS ELSEWHERE AND THEREFORE THE PARTNERS OF SUCH WHOEVER THEY ARE SHOULD BE WEARY ENOUGH TO EXPECT SUCH SCENARIOS AND THEREFORE REALIZE THEIR FOLLY OF JOINING HANDS WITH SUCH POWERS. WHY IS IT THAT LIVES LOST IN PALESTINE OR IN IRAQ NOT VALUED ENOUGH AS MUCH THAT OF AN EUROPEAN OR AN AMERICAN . ARE THERE NOT ENOUGH INTELLIGENT ADMINISTRATORS IN THE US ? ARE THERE NO ANSWERS FOR THE PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD ? I THINK ISLAM HAS GOT ALL THE SOLUTIONS . ITS ONLY THROUGH PEACEFUL DIALOGUE AND ACCEPTANCE AND RECOGNITION OF THE PARTIES INVOLVED CAN A SOLUTION BE INITIATED AND IMPLEMENTED . OTHERWISE ITS NOT GOING TO BE LONG ENOUGH BEFORE GOD DECIDES TO DISUNITE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WHICH I THINK IS NOT FAR AWAY .
2004-03-21

MADMAX FROM MAGHREB said:
Christopher Ward. I'm sort of impressed with you vocabulary and your erudition about world affairs. But first let me take a risk in responding, adequately I hope, on behalf on website like this one, perhaps you should use the same suggestion you offered to this website and save yourself time by 'cleary' putting one single word like "DISAGREE", you can even use capital letters followed by three exclamation marks if you wish since it's legal, put that in "most" of your comments on any article you "bother" to peruse despite all the hundred of still unread books you have scattered all over your home.
Just a friendly suggestion Mister Ward, so you would not feel that...bluh, bluh, bluh...
2004-03-20

NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Umm Muhammad:

"Radical Islamic terrorist" is the term used by the author of this article, Ivan Eland. I prefer the terms "Muslims terrorist" or "Muslim extremist".

When I say "Muslim terrorist", I refer to those Muslims who commit (or attempt to commit) willful violent acts against the innocent and use Islam as a excuse.

"Muslim extremist" is a much broader term, encompassing those who do not necessarily commit terrorism but advocate and promote such things. I would also include those who don't advocate the use of terrorism but are bigots who think non-Muslims are less than them. But the label is broad enough to include some other kinds of objectionable Muslims.

To give examples, the psychopath John Allen Muhammed is not a true Muslim terrorist, because he did not commit crimes and justify them with his religion. On the other hand, UBL is a Muslim terrorist because he provided support to those who killed innocent Americans in the cause of Islam. At the same time, John Walker Lindh, the American Taliban, is not a proven Muslim terrorist because there is no evidence that he atacked innocent people. But he is a Muslim extremist by virtue of being Taliban.

I'm always happy to clear things up for you and others.
2004-03-20

UMM MUHAMMAD FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
What is terroism? Were the revolutionaries of 1776 in USA terroist? Or do we have a double standard here?

Why is it that if America does an illegal act it is not terroism but if someone tries to defend theirselves they are called a terroist.

Why is it terroism if you are defending your country?
America is not a terroist for waging an illegal war and killing innocent people?
2004-03-20

UMM MUHAMMAD FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
To Nick Cameron, what is a radical Islamic terroist. What is an Islamic extremist.
Americans hear these words so often they don't even know what they mean!! How do we know how well a terroist practises their religion? How do we know what they believe if they are a "suicide bomber".
Americans label and define things and make up a whole new meaning for something to fit their interrests.
2004-03-20

NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Peace Yahya Bergum!

LOL, so they decided to just bust the guy for having porn?? For what it's worth, I'm glad that the military decided that he didn't do anything really loathsome. Hopefully, that will end the silly debate over the loyalty of Muslim Americans that some right-wingers are trying to provoke.

Peace out!
2004-03-20

NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Well Zinedine, Yellow Times is yellow journalism, pure and simple. BTW, I didn't know I was ZOG-controlled. They must have superpowers, like the bogeyman. Wooooooo, watch out or the Jews are gonna eat your liver.

Sometimes, I think many of those Muslims who whine about the Jews are just jealous about the their legendary tenacity in the face of genocidal bigotry. Those Muslims should instead concentrate on cleaning up their own house.
2004-03-20

YAHYA BERGUM FROM USA said:
Christopher Ward! Do I detect a hint of progress in your "Alternative Comment?" Also, the author of this particular article might seem to be a fairly suitable choice for the part of U.S. Undersecretary of Defense, in a John Kerry production of "My First Administration." So, if you do not care for the article's apparent anti-American undertones, perhaps consider complaining to the author.

On an unrelated note, the U.S. Army has reportedly dropped all charges against the Muslim Army chaplain, Captain Youseff Yee (according to an article located at www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4565220). Alhamdulillah! (Granted, one of the advertisements appearing with the article, featuring a rather over-exposed Anna Nicole, might seem to be a fairly questionable choice.)
2004-03-20

CHRISTOPHER WARD FROM USA said:
Most of the recent articles are very much the same old thing with a new wrapping. Islamicity should simply post a statement on the front of the webpage that clearly states "we do not like America, we do not like Isreal, we do not like those who like American or Isreal, and we will never post any articles about the positive things these countries did, do, and will do for the world because that would confuse or agenda against them."
Most of the articles go something like this "blah, blah, I hate (a paraphrase) America, blah, blah, Isreal is evil, blah, blah, Muslims are being oppressed, blah, blah, Muslims are always being singled out. etc. The best course of action, of course, is to watch the articles and emails and drop tips on those with these pre-violent tendencies. Arguing with someone who "knows" they are right is a waste of time that could be spent doing good.
2004-03-19

ZINEDINE FROM MOROCCO said:
Salaam brothers and sisters,

Hudd D'Alhamd you never cease to impress. I feel that when I don't have enough time to write there is you that can represent me and I am very proud of you speaking for me and people that think along our lines against those zionist/western conservative extremists such as Nick Cameron. Nick appears to be one of those so called "patriotic" a byproduct of the ZOG propaganda machine who may have not evolved from the Neo conservative ancient troglodyte state of mind yet (I am borrowing your word Hudd).
I wish I have more time to write but I think John Chuckman has said it all. I advise Daniele, Milagros and Mr know it all Nick to read Anatomy of terror by visiting www.yellowtimes.org

Salaam, Peace!
2004-03-19

AHMED FROM UK said:
This makes no sense, 90% of Spainiards opposed Bush's terror war against Iraq. Stinks like a classic false flag operation, Mossad style.
They have plenty of experience in that area, remember when they were red handed trying to bomb the Mexican Congress with phony Pakistani passports ? Look it folks.
2004-03-19

NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Zinedine:

Extremists should be held responsible for their own conduct. Only immoral people would try to make excuses for radical Islamic terrorists who inflict murder and mayhem upon innocent people.

That's just the way it is.
2004-03-19

ZINEDINE FROM MOROCCO said:
Salaam brothers & sisters,

Please visit this website as well. it's www.yellowtimes.org it's meant for everyone not just dumb Daniele & Milagros.

Wa salaam
2004-03-18

MADMAX FROM MAROC said:
My sincere condolences to our neighbors and likable Spanish people and with whom I grew up in Morocco.
The proud people of Spain (rightly so) quickly realized the root cause of this tragedie. They also realized that whenever the Opus Dei lords are in power (government) there is nothing there for the beautiful Iberian land and her beautiful population but blood and misery. First in the 1930s with Hilter's bedroom partenaire El Caudillo (General Franco) who unfortunately held Spain hostage with an iron hand until the early 1970s (for some reason, that iron hand after the second world war started smelling like rotten fish straight from the Potomac River shores), then the second Opus Dei lord named Aznar, who found no better way than drag his peaceful brothers and sisters into undesirable frequentation (the Zionists of Washington).

After the first Opus Dei lord, it took decades for Spain to escape the third world economic situation. With the second Opus Dei lord (you know,the guy who just got fired) it took hundreds of inoccents lives to confirm that the whole Spain was right in refusing bad frequentation, hopefully for the sake of human lives, the rest of the fools will drop the rowdies, pack and leave Irak.

A little idea about Opus Dei.
Fascist ideology in Escriva's teachings. The fundamentalism.
The Intolerance towards other religions. The dishonesty. The danger inherent in the undemocratic structure of blindly following orders. The danger inherent in the psychological control they have of their members due to the ``weekly chat'' where they have to tell the innermost details of their souls to their spiritual leaders. The aggressive and manipulative way in which they try to catch new members. The evil character of the founder.
The fact that they do not reveal their true goals and keep a lot of material secret from the public. The smug thinking of belonging to an elite.
Source: www.mond.at/opus.dei/opus.dei.uo.faq.html#bad
2004-03-18

ZINEDINE FROM MOROCCO said:
This was the equivalent of having a stripper jump on stage and disrobe at a Baptist revival meeting, but it was not a one-time incident, it continued over time.

It was more provocative than my analogy can convey, for here was an insulting presence seemingly kept in place at gunpoint. This was sheer arrogance of power, and later yelling the word terrorism at the top of your voice ignores your own failed responsibilities.

Keep in mind that the CIA earlier had played with fire in Afghanistan, supplying and training associates of bin Laden's in America's dirty war against the Soviet Union. The resentments of fierce, traditional mountain fighters were exploited with all the arts the CIA could summon to kill Soviet heretics. Not many years later, the same United States had troops in the holiest of lands with women, in the view of traditional Muslims, exposing themselves.

Vengeance is not legal in most societies, and it cannot be tolerated in international affairs. Vengeance-seekers must be brought to justice, but we should also learn something by the whole sad experience. What are we to make of America's actions after 9/11, most of which have been little more than vengeance on a global scale? Do you stop vengeance with vengeance? I don't think there are any good examples in history of that working. The examples set by the U.S. in this are extremely dangerous, especially its willingness to flout international law and concerns.

America's post-9/11 behavior resembles the careless, arrogant acts which caused people's sense of being violated in the first place, only now it comes on a grander scale. And the irritating context of Israel's refusal to deal fairly with its neighbors has been permitted to change from bad to worse. War on Terror? What we need is a war on stupidity."

I could 've just given you this website to visit & read this article but beside being ignorant,I am afraid you may be lazy & arrogant too & that's why I decided to copy and p
2004-03-18

ZINEDINE FROM MOROCCO said:
In McVeigh's case, he was horrified at having seen the FBI, impatient to end a stand-off, attack a large group of armed religious fanatics with tanks. The people were odd and they had broken the law, but they hardly deserved to be incinerated or crushed. The FBI's actions, so similar to those of the Chinese army at Tiananmen, were revolting, but for a person like McVeigh, an American militia-type with paranoid anti-government fantasies, they aroused a passion to play avenging angel.

The Lockerbie bombing was vengeance for the U.S. Navy's destruction of an Iranian airliner with three hundred people aboard. How easily the American government could have avoided the whole mess by decently apologizing and paying compensation for the rash act of the ship's commander. Better still, it could have avoided the dangerous act of stationing the ship in a sensitive place during someone else's war.

The United States has made a long series of blunders in the Middle East guaranteed to offend and intimidate Muslims, especially fundamentalists, the people from whom an organization like al-Qaeda draws support. These blunders must be seen in the context of an almost irrational support for Israel's bloodiest behavior. While Arabs are resigned to Israel's existence, how can they accept Sabra, Shatila, Jenin, the destruction of Beirut, or words of prejudiced contempt so often heard from Israeli leaders?

I suspect the single most provocative American act was the posting of troops in Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia contains Islam's holiest sites, and its population is among the most tradition-bound in Islam, but the U.S. in pushing its troops into Saudi Arabia, made no serious effort to protect local sensibilities. Troops were posted near Riyadh and exposed to local people in highly offensive ways, as when female soldiers walked about in Western outfits with informal and careless American manners.
2004-03-18

ZINEDINE FROM MOROCCO said:
The comparison is apt, since the American Civil War was only necessary because of Lincoln's ferocious insistence that no state was entitled to change its mind ever about being part of what he quaintly called The Union. His position was in every respect as irrational and bloody as any argument advanced by slaveholders or future leaders of the Soviet Union.

As I write this, Israel has again rolled its tanks and armored bulldozers into Gaza. Its soldiers killed about a dozen people, wounded about forty, including several children. And the purpose? To bulldoze three houses, some orchards and olive groves, and to look for suspected tunnels used to obtain weapons. A second incursion within hours apparently killed another three and wounded still more.

There are limits to how badly you can beat a people down. Every time a desperate and powerless Palestinian suicide bomber kills himself or herself in order to attack Israelis, we see that proposition again demonstrated.

I do not mean to say that all so-called terrorists have rational goals. After all, many people in ordinary life do sometimes make unreasonable demands or yield to violent impulses. But a person of good will recognizes reasonable goals, and the goals of the Chechens and Palestinians, decent treatment and their own states, are reasonable.

The goals of an organization like al-Qaeda are less clear, but it was hardly necessary to invade two sovereign nations and kill thousands of innocents to deal with them. All the resources of international cooperation, security, intelligence, and diplomacy could have been patiently applied. If you want rule of law, then you must abide by it. If you want the arrogant privilege of stepping outside the law, then you have no moral claim against the people you call terrorists. I suspect al-Qaeda's goals were along the lines of Timothy McVeigh's or those who blew up an airliner over Lockerbie, vigilante reprisals for what were felt as stinging injustices or ins
2004-03-18

ZINEDINE FROM MOROCCO said:
Salaamu alaikum brothers & sisters:

John Chuckman article continues so that ignorant Daniele & Milagros can know how evil their government is:
We do know that Bush's invasion of Afghanistan released a storm of heroin because the weak, though well-intentioned, new government there has no means of governing regional warlords financed by poppies. American troops in Afghanistan are pitifully few in number -- about ten thousand in a land the size of Texas with more than twenty million people -- and their focus is finding bin Laden. Were Bush to send the forces needed to subdue the warlords, we would see the same reprisals we see in Iraq, perhaps worse. America's "allies" in Afghanistan swiftly would become its enemies. New variations on al-Qaeda would crop up like poppies.
I read Putin's statement following a bomb attack in the Moscow subway. My God, he is determined to root out terror.

Anyone who appreciates what the Russian army has done in Chechnya wonders which terror Putin is talking about. Russia's cruelty and wanton destruction have been on a colossal scale. The American press does not report much on this both because its access is limited, but, more importantly, because a cozy modus vivendi exists between Russia and the United States on what they call terror. Russia has a free hand to reduce Chechnya to a landscape of tank-tread ruts in return for its lack of opposition to Bush's bombings and human-hunts.
Russia did oppose the invasion of Iraq, but that only points up the fact that even Russia could see Bush's invasion had nothing to do with terror.

The Chechens, who for years have wanted nothing more than the same independence achieved by other regions of the former Soviet Union, have been treated much the way people in 1860s' Georgia were treated when they stood in the path of General Sherman's March to the Sea.
2004-03-18

LAYLA FROM SCOTLAND said:
Yes, Spain does have the US to thank for its massacre.. according to MSNBC an explosive called GOMA 2-ECO was responsible for the horrific blast on the commuter trains. Made At Instantel in NY.

Bush and Co. have been exposed as serial liars about Iraq one year after their agression. Ultimately lies are their own undoing, how long will it take before the real puppet masters of these attacks are identified and I don't mean the 'Al Quaeda' manufactured nuts.
2004-03-18

ZINEDINE FROM MOROCCO said:
Thank you Evan Elan for a wonderful article & thank you Rizwan Ahmad for your honesty & modesty.
Here is another article for the two IGNORANT ONES DANIELE & MILAGROS: feed you dumb brains: By John Chuckman
YellowTimes.org Columnist (Canada)

(YellowTimes.org) - Trying to bring reason to the subject of terror seems hopeless. The subject is crushingly-weighted with hatreds, prejudice, and political lunacy. But the attempt is important because the subject may dominate the lifetimes of most readers.

Terror is both a real phenomenon and a fraud. It is real in that groups with deep grievances do sometimes kill innocent people in their attempt to influence events from a position of political and military weakness.

Yet, following the vast and organized murder of the twentieth century, there is nothing distinctive or unusual about killing innocent people when trying to get your way. The United States and some other states now do it all the time to advance narrow interests. Politicians who most loudly decry terror display the dishonest, insincere thinking Dr. Johnson characterized as "cant." In this sense, terror is a fraud.

Extreme examples often best make a point. No more extreme example of misused words exists than George Bush, but when he speaks of terror, he exceeds all his other loose and silly talk. Bush calls guerilla attacks in Iraq the work of terrorists. Since when are people whose country has been bombed and overrun by tanks engaged in terror if they take reprisals? They are usually called partisans or resistance fighters or guerillas, and the only reason Bush is not laughed off the stage for speaking this way to Americans, who cherish their right to keep arms against tyranny, is that it is their sons and daughters often being killed.

One never knows all the terrible outcomes of war. That was and remains one of the strongest arguments against the Iraq War. We won't understand for years the full damage of what Bush has done.

Will
2004-03-18

MILAGROS FROM US said:
I was disgusted by the very first paragraph of this article that said that Spain can thank the US for the mayhem that took place there. NO!! The US did not plant 10 bombs in the Madrid subway system. Terrorists did. The US is not to blame for all death in this world. Bad people with bad ideas kill just as many people too.
2004-03-18

RIZWAN AHMAD FROM ENGLAND said:
I recently reverted to Islam approximately 2 years ago and things like this make me very sad. There is only a small part of muslims who behave in this mannor as Allah does not want any of us to be terrorists.
Many countries have been effected by America and the decisions that they have made and so in some peoples eye's retaliation is acceptable. However blowing buildings up and killing innocent people isnt the way to go about it.
I was watching the news and they said that the spanish fanatics Eta , (excuse me if i spelt it wrong), was behind the bombing. The next day or a few hours later if i recall correctly Al-Quieda was responsible for the attack which was in a way saddening.
I hope that some form of peace can exist and that we could all be friends together. However in Islam this is all leading towards the day of judgement and so cannot be helped really.

Hope i didnt just write a load of rubbish and everyone who reads this thinkgs its boring.

thanks for your time

Rizwan
2004-03-18

DANIELE FROM ITALY said:
I think that there are different terrorism's forms.In fact eta's terrorism is different from arab's.For me while arabs are wrong eta must fight to get the indipendence.....
2004-03-18

MARKO AND DANY FROM ITALY-TURIN said:
Tutte le forme di terrorismo sono sbagliate, anche perch nella maggior parte dei casi ci rimette sempre la povera gente!
2004-03-18

NURAINI FROM MALAYSIA said:
On the one hand, I do think that the US attack in Iraq has worsened the terrorism situation in the world. All of a sudden there are so many groups deciding it's worthwhile after all to blow things up, blow people up, and blow themselves up. But then also, I do believe that terrorism is inexcusable. Sometimes I may agree and sympathise on a cause, but the methods may not always be something I would ever agree with. Good aims must be achieved through good methods, otherwise one is misguided or merely a foolish thug.
2004-03-18

ESTHER FROM USA said:
Amen d.w. What you said is true. However, most people do not mention that.
2004-03-18

NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES said:
Bryan:

I stand by my words when I say, "Terrorism perpetrated by Islamic extremists is inexcusable, pure and simple." But this is not an all-inclusive statement. As far as why I haven't mentioned other sources of terror, I remind that the article that we are presently discussing concerns the recent terrorist attacks in Madrid. Latin America et. al. are outside this topic.

I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that I excuse terrorism perpetrated non-Muslims, for that would be both presumptuous and arrogant. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt as I'm sure you will do for me in the future.
2004-03-17

BRYAN FROM US said:
It's sad to see something happen like this to any country/anybody/anything. Nick, you said:
Terrorism perpetrated by Islamic extremists is inexcusable, pure and simple.

So does that mean terrorism perpetrated by any other extremists except Islamic extremists is acceptable? I find it hard to believe that Muslims are the only people carrying out attacks, if it is even them. Why not switch to a news station to Eastern Europe/Russia/Africa/Latin America. I cannot even see how these people are Islamic extremists. If they were perfect people they'd be Islamic extremists because Islam teaches peace, and love, and looking out for your fellow man. You don't see people calling Timothy McVeigh, Adolf Hitler, etc. Christian Extremists do you? Or Ariel Sharon a Jewish extremist? These people are anything but extremely devoted to their respective religions.
2004-03-17

D.W. FROM U.S.A. said:
in that same tape, the terrorists also pointed out that spain belongs to islam because it was once conquered by muslims long ago. how do you know that wasn't the real reason for the bombing?
2004-03-17

NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES said:
I agree with the article from the World Net Daily regarding the signals of weakness that Spain is sending to militant Muslims. After our experience in Mogidushu, UBL stated in an interview Somalia proved the weakness of America's resolve. And his view was not all that uncommon in the Muslim world. During my time in a Muslim country, a lot of the natives I spoke to would bring up Viet Nam as further proof that America is too afraid to fight our enemies in a guerrilla war.

That's what UBL and other Muslim militants were hoping for when 9/11 drew us into conflict in Afghanistan. They believed that through humiliating the U.S. on the the same battlefield that they fought on against the Soviets, they could rally their Muslim brethren to the cause of militancy. What the militants never imagined, though, was that behind the wealth and comfort of American prosperity stood the most tenacious people in the world, the American people.

So what has the militant's rhetorical response been to their continued defeat on the battlefield? It has gone from "Americans are cowards" to "Americans are imperialistic bullies".

One thing that hate groups like the Klu Klux Klan has demonstrated to Americans is that extremists are some of the biggest crybabies. Same goes for Muslim extremists. Therefore, I think it's a mistake for the West to cut and run in the face of terror.
2004-03-17

MARYAM FROM AUSTRALIA said:
Terrorism is a crime against humanity, Muslims who commit such crimes are promised eternal hellfire.

A videotape that states in beginners Arabic 'You live life and we love death' (a sure sign that they nothing about Islam) and a Quran left in a van is a ludicrous attempt to ensure that even the most ignorant would associate this to Muslims and Arabs.

The US and its allies would not hesitate to use this as a justification for their war in Iraq, and as a pretext for further aggression. Furthermore Muslims in the west are dehumanised and this fear is used to muster public support.

Why then would the perpretators of these murders against innocents proclaim to be 'Islamic Militants'?

For the sake of all our future generations we should examine such tragic events extremely closely to ensure that "war by way of deception" methods are not being used in an attempt to assign blame.

2004-03-17

YAHYA BERGUM FROM USA said:
Salam. I have been impressed and even a little bit surprised by the expressions of sympathy, by members of the Muslim community, for the victims of the recent bombings in Madrid. Alhamdulillah.

Also, there appears to be some sort of "terrorist connection" that somehow seems to involve Iraq. In as much as a number of "terrorist attacks" made against the United States (particularly in the years since the United States stopped its support for Al Qaida) seem to have closely followed a number of "terrorist attacks" made by the U.S. against Iraq, the connection would appear to have been around for perhaps a decade or longer. Wassalam.

Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'un (...verily to our Creator we return).
2004-03-17

HUDD D'ALHAMD FROM CANADA said:
I am very saddened by the latest events in Madrid. It is a shame for such a thing to happen, whoever did it. When I think of all those commuters, hard working people of Spain of such a motley variety of backgrounds, Spaniards, Morrocans, Algerians, East-Europeans, etc., of all religions and walks of life. You think of Spain as a place to relax or dream of, thus the saying, "To build castles in Spain". The irony of this war on terror is that it does not solve anything, nay it opens more wounds and more fronts. If things are not taken care of in fairness and equity to all parties involved, there will be no apparent peace in any new future, but rather mayhem, chaos and eventually a third world war that could lead to the entire annihilation of the human race. What purpose would that serve? USA and Israel do not want to negotiate with the ones they named terrorists? The so-called terrorists see the USA and Israel terrorists. Who will determine who is and who isn't? If it is always what USA says because otherwise she will invade you, isn't this a unilateral and dictatorial attitude? There will be no peace or not even the slightest letup in this cycle of atrocities as long as USA doesn't consider anybody to listen to(not even UN), but her beloved prostitute state, Israel..., not my words, read the Bible, in the Prophets, when supposedly God(according to the Bible) said through the prophets: "Israel, you whore! you opened up your thighs to any bypasser..." Their book, their record, their history. In my religion, Islaam, it is unfathomable for any worshiper to even attempt to associate such words with any sort of divine revelation. You cannot solve problems with a cowboy attitude. Most recently I heard on the CNN that US was preparing to conduct air raid in the mountainous buffer zone between Pakistan and Afghanistan, "to kill as many as we can!". Please, anybody with a smidgen of humanity. How does that sound? "To kill as many as we can." Let God sort them out!
2004-03-17

BAK TANUS FROM USA said:
I still feel however, that the whole tragic, sordid affair leading directly to the Moroccans was simply too simplistic to ignore and be termed as mere coincidence. Was it really mere coincidence too that in the 9-11 tragedy everything was burnt to cinders, yet what survived- all of the Terrorist's passports, Korans carefully placed in the rented car and a evidence galore pointing to none other, than Muslims and Arabs. Once again all bombs went off in Spain except for the backpack bomb that contained the calling card? How utterly silly for anyone to deny the obvious fact that that extra pains were taken by whomever the monsters were, to make darned sure that all evidence lead undeniably to Muslims and Arabs. I somehow think and really, really do hope that Europeans are not as mentally challenged and numb as Americans and take everything for its face value. Somehow I do think Europeans are far more intelligent, world wise, critical and analytical in their thinking than what the real bombers assume them to be. After all, Europeans are NOT Americans.
2004-03-17

SALEEM FROM USA said:
Looking on ones background and history one can tell what he is capable of. And what he is Not.

Misleading stories and evidence of WMD.
I wonder who is lieing this time.

We still have to choose who to believe and what to believe.



2004-03-17

NASSER FROM USA said:
The bombing in Madrid goes contrary to the core teachings of Islam. Let no muslim believe that what happened there was good, despite the election outcome. This incident took place to scare people into thinking that muslims are murdering people around the world. The people have spoken in Spain. Prais be to ALLAH
2004-03-17

H.A. (THE "ISLAMIC TERRORIST") FROM YATHRIB said:
Muslims should all pray for the innocent vicitims that were killed in the bombing in Madrid....It's ok, if they don't pray for the Muslims who are killed and oppressed daily by the zionists, the Americans and the West throughout the world...

However, I would also like to say to the people that....
As you let your gov'ts sow terror and puppets in the Middle East and other corners of the Muslim world, SO WILL YOU REAP IN MADRID, WASHINGTON, NY and soon to be in other corners of the world...

You don't have take my words for it. Just let the clock do its ticking...

I wish flowers were planted in the train instead of bombs, but you have to face the reality.

Lying of the trios while standing in a no man's island (off Portugal) + the Unjust war = big bangs at home. Just unescapable fate!

I wish I could tell you which belt to fasten, but the best advice is..just fasten all the belts out there that are fastenable.

Anyways, my heart goes out to the innocent victims and their families. However, I would like to shove "freedom and democracy" down the _______ of those who are largely responsible for creating all these mess since September 11, 1401.


2004-03-17

NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Whether or not we question the wisdom of the War in Iraq, it is preposterous to say that we can "thank" Bush for terrorism in Spain. George Bush did not bomb Madrid, nor did he plan, aid and abet, or otherwise conspire to bomb our ally in our War on Terror. There is a militant Muslim group presently trying to claim responsibility for this terrorism, so we must unequivocally place blame where blame is clearly due.

Moral people cannot accept the alleged misconduct of my government as an excuse for terrorism. End of story.
2004-03-17