Does God need a police force?

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A most unwelcome part of the fallout of the vicious May 12 suicide bombings in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia was the firing of Jamal Khashoggi, editor-in-chief of the Saudi daily Al Watan. While it may never be known precisely why he was fired, many speculate it was due to the paper's increasingly vocal criticism of the Saudi Arabian religious establishment. The paper was especially critical of the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, or so-called "religious police." This "religious police" has been accused by its critics of harassing Saudis for "un-Islamic" behavior. Recently, Al Watan reported that a man who was detained--with his children--for 12 hours after being caught smoking attempted to commit suicide.

In March 2002, a fire erupted in a all-girls school in Mecca, which killed 15. The March 14 2002 edition of the Saudi newspaper Arab News cited a report on the rescue effort by Mecca's Civil Defense Department which noted that religious police "intentionally obstructed the efforts to evacuate the girls. This resulted in the increased number of casualties." Why did they do this? Apparently because the girls were not properly dressed. 

Arab News quoted Civil Defense officers as saying, "Whenever the girls got out through the main gate, [religious police] forced them to return via another." Officers also said that they saw three people beating girls who had evacuated the school without proper dress. Commenting on the incident, Hanny Megally, Executive Director of the Middle East and North Africa division of Human Rights Watch, said, "Women and girls may have died unnecessarily because of extreme interpretations of the Islamic dress code. State authorities with direct and indirect responsibility for this tragedy must be held accountable." 

I could not agree more. Where did this concept of a religious police come from, anyway? The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) never had companions dispatched among the masses to see if they followed Islam's laws, measuring the length of men's beards or garments. No one beat anyone for laughing in Medina at the time of the Prophet. The Quran says, "There is no compulsion in religion" (2:256), and, in another verse, declares "O ye who believe! Guard your own souls: If ye follow (right) guidance, no harm can come to you from those who stray. The destination of all is to God. He will show you the truth of all that ye do" (5:105). God is not threatened when His servants sin against him, so why should we be? The Lord On High does not need a police force to make sure His servants live "Islamic" lives.

Having said all that, however, the truth is a bit more complex. Although God does not need a police force per se, it seems He wants one. Well, sort of. In the Quran, God told the angels He will place on earth a vice-regent, His representative, on earth: "Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: 'I will create a vicegerent on earth.' They said: 'Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?' He said: 'I know what ye know not'" (2:30). In this system, sovereignty belongs to God, and human beings will be agents of that sovereignty. Part of this task includes implementing (and enforcing) God's laws on His servants: a sort of, um, "police force." 

So have I contradicted myself? Not at all. Islamic law, or Shari'ah, has general principles that must be established: protection of life, religion, lineage, intellect, and property. Every one of Islam's laws heralds back to one of these principles. Some Muslims, unfortunately, focus solely on enforcing that part of the Shari'ah that deals with personal morality and think this is how God's law is established on earth, and it has led to disastrous consequences.

Let us take the Taliban as an example. Whilst they were in power, "religious policemen" made sure men wore beards of a certain length, women were covered head-to-toe, and no one laughed in public, all in the name of "establishing God's law." Yet, women and girls were barred from working or going to school. Is this not an affront to God's law? Does this not violate the principle of protection of the intellect? Is not equality of men and women an essential aspect of Islamic law?

Going back to the girls' school fire in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, is not the preservation of life one of the utmost principles of Islamic law? Did not the Quran state that is someone saves a life, it is as if they have saved the lives of all of humanity (5:32)? Didn't the "religious police" officers violate this principle by barring the girls from exiting the burning school because they were not properly dressed? 

In Nigeria, an Islamic court condemned a woman to death by stoning for adultery. This was despite the fact that she was not married at the time of the alleged sexual encounter, and thus, the punishment of stoning does not even apply. She received this sentence despite the fact that many Islamic scholars do not even accept pregnancy as a high enough burden of proof of sex out of wedlock. She was sentenced to death by stoning despite the fact that there were not enough witnesses to the alleged sexual encounter as required by Islamic law: the man in the case was released due to "lack of evidence." Is not due process an essential component of Islamic law?

I do not think God placed us on earth as his vice-regent solely to ensure men have beards and women wear "burqas". God made us His representative so that life, religion, lineage, intellect, and property be protected. Caliph Umar (God be pleased with him) showed us a just application of God's law when he suspended the punishment for theft during a time of extreme famine, because it is not just for the government to punish someone for theft out of want when the government could not provide for its citizens.

If Islamic law is established in a community that lacks clean water, then I believe the Shari'ah would demand that clean water facilities be established as the first priority. The gross misapplication of Shari'ah by some Muslims has its mischaracterization as a backward, barbaric system of government, doing enormous disservice to Muslims and non-Muslims alike. The Islamic scholars need to formulate a clear and present application of the Shari'ah that address the challenges of the world we live in today.

Hesham A. Hassaballa is a Chicago physician and columnist for the Independent Writers Syndicate. He is author of "Why I Love the Ten Commandments," published in the Book Taking Back Islam: American Muslims Reclaim Their Faith (Rodale).

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MUJTABA FROM CANADA said:
we must follow the Qur`anic guidelines and follow the teachings of our beloved Prophet Muhammed Mustafa (saw)peacce be upon him and his family.

put no burden on any human being than it can bear.
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HUSSAM FROM DAMMAM said:
Assalam Alycome,

When 'religious police'(as the author puts it) does right, no one remembers. When they do wrong, no one forgets.

No one is perfect, but we ought to be.

The point addressed in the Bulletin is put nicely, but I would suggest rephrasing it.

Not knowing about the real situation may result in wrong judgments!

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ABRAHAM A. FROM UK said:
Salam the editor,
May Almighty Allah reward you aboundantly (Ameen). I would appriciate your alternative to the Saudis'police. I do not see them as forcing people to practice Islam.
With the existence of the religious police, religious crime is not at its lowest, imagine if its disbanded. Alahikum Salam.
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AHMED FROM UK said:
When the time will be nigh, there will be terrible acts of deliberate disobedience to The Creator. We live in a world where negatives are positives, unacceptables are acceptable. we have departed far from morality. The Last Prophet (MPBUH) has foretold all the injustices that we witness today. It is simply because human hate the truth, more power concious than mindful of the Words of The Creator. Did not Sura ASR say so. Has not The Creator Warned against Cruelty of any form or kind to his creations. The Creator Created us to be thankful to him and to Worship Him. As he Gave the Command to Those Before The Last Prophet(MPBUH), I mean NOah ,Abraham, His Progeny, to Moses , Issah. The Command is the Same and is Repeated IN Sura Cattle Verse 150/151/152. How many of us heed the message, that God created Life as Sacred, and same could not be taken except under due process of the Law.
The prophecies of the Creator will have to come to pass. Nothing will be able to alter the GReat Plan Of The Great Planner.
Did He Not Say " In the beginning I will lead you,the I will send Prophets and Mesengers, Then Good Leaders, Good Kings, Good Governments, the I will Take away Man's Virtue one by one until I will Take away Shame.Understand, Why Would God Do so, becouse we are thankless, ingrate, selfish, hungry for power,loss inn our preoccupation with worldly gains,pitiless, uncaring, Forgot the message at our own peril. Therefore Ask God For the Patience to Accept the unacceptable as acceptable however much one disagree to agree.
No one should be subjected to compulsion, and that is very clearly commanded.
It is very sad to see man who has been created with limitations could beleive he is so great as to cause mischief. and desecrate what is consecrated.I have read the Message of the Creator as He send it To David, Moses, Jesus and To Mohammad(PBUH) and May God Be pleased with Them All, God Himself Is very Tolerant, why cant we?
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SHAD RASHIDI FROM CANADA said:
Assalam 'O' Alaykum
First of all i would like to say Allah guides those who he wants to. You can't force somebody to do something which that person dislike. You can tell them then is up to them what they choose. There is alot of people out there who are exterimist and normal among those they think they are scholor or prophet. See you have to explain an individual why this not right according to Allah's commandment. You have to explain them logically and islamically. For example drinking alchol explain the roots the effect the cause and the result both mentally phiscally and islamically. If you explain them these ways a person will never insallah astray. See when you tel an individual not to do something just dont do it it doesn't make sense you have let them know logically. Most important point is that when a person is forced to stop to do something they like unfortunattly they committ suicide. Is very important that a person must explain it like Harun yahya does logically according to quaran and sceincetifically.
i hope my comments does make a differece.
Thank you
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ABDULLAH JONES FROM USA said:
this is typical tripe put out by another secular humanist who wants to reconcile his/her belief that liberalism is islam and is sitting here spinning ayats and tugging at emotions to try and make some kind of a point.

this is the kind of trash we need to seperate ourselves, may this man rot in hell
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A M KHAN FROM MALAYSIA said:
Assalamualaikum. My limited grasp of Islam requires me needing someone or some body to correct me whenever I am in the wrong. Afterall, when I don't have a deep understanding of certain matter, plus proper guidance, I would be lost! If it takes a 'police force' to knock some senses into me, then I am all for it. Not all of us are well-versed in all aspects of Islam.
It is also heart-warming to read some positive comments about the Taliban. The world does not always get the true picture. I wish everybody who have had direct experience with the Taliban would come forward and paint the real picture for all of us who are still in the dark over the matters raised by certain quarters for apparent reasons.
May Allah SWT forgives us if we are in the wrong and show us the true path. InsyaAllah.
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NURUL HIDAYATI FITHRIYAH FROM INDONESIA said:
Assalamu'alaykum Wr Wb.
I agree with this thought that we must put Islam in a proper concept and mentality that Prophet Muhammad pbuh had shown us. I may be wrong, but I always suspect that people who does not like Islam to be exist as the ruling law of the world will always find ways to discredit Islam and muslim. They separate muslim from the real principle of Islam. They upheld "symbols" of Islam (beard, burqa, stoning to death, etc) but replace the "system" of zakah, baytul maal, khilafah etc by capitalism, usury, interest, democracy and so on. This is obviously to weaken muslims by taking out our strength, replace it with rubish, and even more emerge contradictions in shariah as to divide muslims and make us fight each other. The result is we will be weakened more and more, while they can easily steal our treasure of unity, wisdom, knowledge, wealth (oil & other resources). Please Brothers and Sisters, do not be trapped by our enemy. Satans will always make us use "halal" means (shariah) to do "haram" deeds (innocent killing, unjust verdict, etc). They will always try their best to make us see all of these are wonderful. Please let us always remind each other of TRUTH and be PATIENT, or otherwise we all will be LOOSERS (Quran Surah al 'Ashr).

My suggestion is learn our Islam with all our open mind and heart. Hopefully Allah will guide us to the straight path. The truth is not in our knowledge nor opinion, but deep inside our heart. Behavioural approach of Education will be more effective in producing obedient generation. Al Imam Yusuf Qardhawi in his book of Islamic Society in Qur'an and Sunnah wrote that there had never been ever sharia police forces in the period of Prophet pbuh & his companions. However many judges asked for early retirement because of the lack of criminal reports! We all have two "policemen" beside us all the time, angels Raqib and 'Atid. Just tell everybody to beware of their uninterrupted watch !!!
Wassalamu 'alaykum Wr. Wb.
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YASIR MIRZA FROM CANADA said:
May Allah Guide Us All and Protect the Ummah of Rasulilah (S.A.W.) from "secular" ideals of the so-called "Democratic or Republican Muslim" from creeping into Islam.
Islam is the absolute and only answer for mankinds illnesses, and to mock the Taliban, who's only aim and purpose was to create a true Islamic Country is to mock those who (in my opinion) did good.
We have been foretold that those who will do good, will be seen as bad.....and for those who do bad, will be seen as good.

Fiman-Allah

Yasir Mirza
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MUHAMMADH IQBAL FROM INDIA said:
THIS ARTICLE IS BY A TYPICAL AMERICAN CARICATURE I.WHO BELIEVES THAT THE BEGINING AND END OF EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS USA.
2.WHO HAS NOT DONE A SELF ANALYSIS.PITIFULLY DOES NOT UNDERSTAND OR REALIZE GOD.HE DOES NOT FIRST OF ALL UNDERSTAND WHO GOD IS,THEREFORETHE QUESTION OF HIM UNDERTANDING GOD'S WORDS DOESN'T ARISE LET
ALONE INTERPRETING IT.
3.WHO WANTS A GOD TO SUIT HIS WAY OF LIFE.
4.WHO DOES NOT WANT TO FOLLOW ANY ETHICAL SYSTEM OR MORAL PERSUASION IN LIFE NOR DOES HE WANTS TO ADVANCE PROOF OR LOGIC OR REASON FOR HIS BELIEFS.
5.WHO LIVES IN A SOCIETY WHICH HAD MADE SINNERS OUT OF EVEN PRIESTS LET ALONE THE THE COMMON MAN.
6.WHO WANTS TO ADVOCATE ALL THAT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAM.
7.WHO IS AN ADVOCATE OF A GROUP THAT CALLS HUMANS AS RATIONAL ANIMALS HENCE CONTEND WITH LIVING A ANIMAL LIFE.
DISGUSTING
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KISHWAR FEROZ FROM USA said:
Ahamdullilah. Iam glad i read this article.
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A, RAHIM FROM CANADA said:
It is really very sad that due to somebody's negligence so many innocent human lives were lost. May Allah have mercy on the departed souls. However, as regards maintenance of law and order on the earth and to check corruption from spreading,Allah has made people responsible to do so. Allah has not assigned this responsibility to Angels. It is a different matter that the responsibility lies in the hands of inefficient people. It shows that the responsibility to run a country should be in the hands of God-fearing people; hence return of Islamic Ummah to pure Islam is the only solution to these problems, which we see wide-spread in the so-called Islamic countries, which are neither Islamic nor Western-type of democracies in the real sense. These countries have been occupied by corrupt, in- human, dishonest, selfish, coward and greedy dictators who have established either a personal rule or family-rule. In conclusion, I would say that an honest and God-fearing police force is definitely needed to maintain law and order and uproot wide-spread corruption from the beautiful earth of Allah.
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RIAZ BAGHA FROM CANADA said:
THe editorial board would do well first to research and read previous articles going far behind by Mr. Khashoggi before making pronouncements for or against the Religious Police. Unintentionally, you may be shunning much good without doing prior research. I am sure you will have a very different view when you do this. Do not take my words lightly.....research before making pronouncements.
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AHMAD BELLO FROM NIGERIA said:
You rode on the back of a story on a conflagration in a female hostel in Makkah to attack an institution. If the reported behavior of the 'police' was true, they're culpable. No sensible person, not to speak of a Muslim, would behave in the silly and callous manner suggested by the piece. I, therefore, doubt the report. Allah has enjoined us to investigate stories--not to discard them--so that we may act and react on facts in order not to hurt others unwittingly. Cross check the report.
We're witnesses that the 'police' don't harass anyone on the bases of the lengths of their beards, clothes, or whether they laugh or smile. If the piece desires to reject hadiths on beard, lengths of dress, or attack those who think that these are Islam's priorities, why not go straight to the point?
Your interpretation of 2:256 may be wrong. Islam does not force people to believe it. Non-Muslims and Bushmen do force people to their beliefs. However, one cannot subscribe to a belief or membership to any worthwhile organization and be free to behave anyhow. There're, indeed there must be, some rules that ought to be observed and, oftentimes, enforced. Otherwise, the organization, et cetera, exist only in name! Ethical systems rely on moral persuasion. A state, which Islaam is, must and does go further. The institution of Hisbah has been so well discussed by our 'ulamaa than this comment has space for.
Does God need a police force? I've no authority to speak for Him. However, I know that, because He is Just and does not rely on His Eternal Knowledge to judge and punish anyone, He has angels who keep records of our deeds and who will serve as witnesses. That's the requirement of any just system having standards, laws and prescribed punishments, as does Islam.
There's a hadith on the correct interpretation of 5:105. Tell our visitors about it.
God is not threatened when His servants sin against Him, but we are--and it could be fatal to Islam, our lives, ansab, uqul, wealth and
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SANI MAHMUD FROM NIGERIA said:
ASSALAMU ALAIKUM,ALLAH THE MOST HIGH DOES NOT NEED ANY POLICE FORCE SINCE HE IS THE MOST HIGH,WE SHOULD REMEMBER SURAT AL-FIL ON THE INTENTION TO DESTROY AL-MASJID HARAM.NO POLICE FORCE COULD HAVE SAVED THE DESTRUCTION,BUT THE ALMIGHTY HIMSELF.MAASSALAM
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NADEEM FROM ENGLAND said:
Yet another excellent article publicised in Islamic City focussing on the compassionate, gentle and common sense nature of Islam. We, the Muslims, need more of these articles and we need them to be publicised so as to counter the negative image of our beloved Islam that is put at the fore-front of the media by those who murder in the name of Islam.
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YAHYA BERGUM FROM USA said:
Greetings of peace - to whomever believes but doesn't feel comfortable or safe admitting it. There would appear to at least be three such commentators to the articles posted at this site. If I am in error in saying this, I hope a Muslim would attempt to correct me. Insha'Allah.
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SABINA FROM OMAN said:
yes god does not need a religious police . islam is a free religion . i believe it does not have any compulsion in it . i am a muslim who stay completely covered n i like it . i love islam n i love its rules . i always take our religion's rules in a positive sense n i try to understand why is any kind of rule made for us . our religion is the best religion . if a lady doesnot want to cover herself with something which will protect her beauty then she will have to bare the consequences but our religion does not say that all u ladies must n cover ur self other wise ur dead i dont think god is strict he has made good rules for us . i believe that the one who does not want to follow what god has said then that human being is a lost human being i dont ever say that is islam is a religion of compulsions
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ABDUL WASIU GBOLAHAN TAIWO FROM NIGERIA said:
I support the submition for the religion police; however the role in the society should not only be for the enforcement but educating the Muslim on what is expected from them as a Muslim. The world had seriously been castigated by Western ideology that is basically being promoted by Satan through so call advance technology. It should be noted that our leader had fail us in all ramification, even the royal family in Saudi. They are more concern with what America wants rather than what God created for. Almighty Allah gave us the power but we fail to us it. The world power is with Muslim (Oil) but we could not use it to fight the Satan called USA. Thousand of Muslim is dying in palatine and Saudi royal families are dinning with USA. To deceive the Muslims they came with religion police for us to belief they following the teaching of Qurian. No! they are accomplice of USA. any way, I thank them for creating the police because I believe this police, when transform to true soldiers of Allah, will flush them out of their mansion for good and restore the dignity of Islam in Hijas and the world as whole. Finally, the police should for now educate the world on what is expected from Muslim by Almight Allah rather than dressing code and bear measurement. They should contact what the USA and other are promoting to fight Islam.
Maa salaam.
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AHMAD BELLO FROM NIGERIA said:
Is this piece from Islamicity? You rode on the back of a story on a conflagration in a female hostel in Makkah to attack an institution/alleged practice. If the reported behavior of the 'religious police' was true, they should be charged with homicide. No sensible person, not to speak of a Muslim, would behave in the silly and callous manner suggested by your piece. For this reason, I doubt the report. Allah has enjoined us to investigate stories--not to discard them--so that we may act and react on the basis of facts in order not to hurt others unwittingly. Please, cross check the report.
We're witnesses that 'the religious police' don't harass anyone on the bases of the lengths of their beards, clothes, or whether they laugh, grin, or smile. If the piece desires to reject the ahaadeeth on beard, lengths of clothes, or attack those who think that these are Islam's priorities, why not go straight to the point?
Your interpretation of 2:256 may be wrong. Islam does not force people to believe it. Other religions and Bushmen do force people to their beliefs. However, one cannot subscribe to a belief or membership to any worthwhile organization and be free to behave anyhow. There're, indeed there must be, some rules that ought to be observed and, oftentimes, enforced. Otherwise, the organization, et cetera, exist only in name! Ethical systems rely on moral persuasion. A state, which Islaam is, must and does go further. The institution of Hisbah has been so well discussed by our 'ulamaa than this comment has space for.
Does God need a police force? I've no authority to speak for Him. However, I know that, because He is Just and does not rely on His Eternal Knowledge to judge and punish anyone, He has angels who keep records of our deeds and who will serve as witnesses. That's the requirement of any just system having standards, laws and prescribed punishments, as does Islam.
There's a hadith on the correct interpretation of 5:105. Tell our visitors about it.
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ABDUL-MUMIN FROM GHANA said:
I am basicaly against people who try to use the media in furthurance of the Wests agenda of deviding the Muslim Ummah into "moderates" and "Hardliners". And if that is what Jamal Kashogi did and got sacked, then i have no sympaties for him.
Islam enjoins on us to promote virtue and prevent vice and that if an Islamic nation sees it necessary to have a group of people tasked with that, I think it is alright, be they Police or whatever. And if there is a problem with the established system the ummah must seek to correct it but not to throw it to the dogs with comments like "Does God need a police force?"
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AINAHI FROM LUXEMBOURG said:
any way a real good muslim who has, by the help of ALLAH, Grasped his real message should ,in one way or on another, MUST (GOD's Law) eradicate EBLISS existence!!!
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MOHAMMAD NAZIM UDDIN FROM BANGLADESH said:

I agree with you.
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SHAKIR EBRAHIM FROM INDIA said:
Rules that were made centuries ago, however well meaning, should be recognised for their irrelvance in the modern age. Islam is in need of dire reformation from out dated practices and beliefs
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MOHAMMED GREENE FROM USA said:
Alhamdulillah. This article is right on point.
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T NAWAZ FROM UK said:
The article reminds one of the story of Halaku Khan who is alleged to have been poised to attack Bassra and, instead of preparing to defend themselves, the citizens of Bassra were then engaged in a debate on whether or not a crow was halal!
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FARZANAH FROM SOUTH AFRICA said:
The article presents a balanced view. Perhaps the answer is not to choose some shariah rules to follow and to disregard others. Women must be protected and not harmed or shunned, as we are also created by Allah (S.W.T.) and Allah (S.W.T.) loves all his cerations. Each is accountable for his / her actions.
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ALI MOHAMED FROM USA said:
fear allah wallahi allah is watching you what ever you say about taliban allah will ask you in the day of judgement because you didn't help them when they wre attacked by Bush and even arabs. if you don't like taliban you want Democracy&Republican talibaan were on hakh they were correct. They were fighting againest shaytaan not people. and if you are againest talibaan you gettin away from the shariyah to democracy and republican they don't bleive in allah they bleive in gays and lasbian. Shukran asalaamu aleykum.
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YAHYA BERGUM FROM USA said:
I would at least ask that salutations of peace be extended to mebrocky. Insha'Allah. Jazak Allah.
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SISTER SIDRA FROM USA said:
This article really strikes a nerve with me. Its wonderful that someone is finally speaking against the "religious" police, as many of my nonmuslim friends have the wrong idea that Islam instructs us to butt in to the lives of others and "police" thier behavior (we can thank media coverage of teh Taliban for that one.. and misinterpretation of Sharia in the media too). THis article is well worth its weight in gold.

wasalam
sidra
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LAIDE LAWAL FROM NIGERIA said:
Asalamu Alaekun, wa rahamotu lahi, wa barakatu
Sincerely, at first I am in different to this atticle beacause I don't know the genuine purpose of this, whether it is for the propagation of Islam or Anti-Islam.

Let me begin by saying that rosulu Lahi (SAW) said we muslims are the best of mankind because we will enjoin good deed among ourselves and forbid bad, how else can we forbid bad if their is no Religious Police.

I also have an inate feelings that these atticle is sponsored by the western world, they have corrupted world all over by introducing human right against God injuction e.g. In Nigeria today, girls are walking half naked in the street of Lagos under the freedom and priviledges provided by Human Right. What is human right compare with God Injuction, how else can we observe justice without Sharia, how can we prevent bad influence. let us face reality at the time of prophet if our ladies are dressing like this and people behaving lousely in this manner prophet would have castigated them because one bad apple spoil the whole basket. and he (SAW) preached against influence of Sayatin.
May God forgive all, we need to remember that to maintain sanity amidst western world devilish influence we need law enforment agent, by the way while do we need civil law enforcement agent? and not religiuos police when religion encompases all human endevour

Thank you, God bless

Solu ala nobiyu Karrem (SAW)

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IMAM N. ABDULKHABIYR FROM U.S.A. said:
It is unfortunate that those of our Ummah whom ALLAH has blessed with a certain degree of intellect often "allow their tongues to cast a shadow over their heads". For our good brother to decry the ruling in Nigeria, and to further attempt to justify his opinion with the weak positions of others, evidences this truth. If I needed an internist, I would not seek out a tort specialist. According to the shariah illegal sexual intercourse is clearly divided into two regions (unlike in the west where fornication and adultery can be the same thing). A person who has never been married, and engages in sexual intercourse, has committed the sin of fornication and the punishment is lashes. A person (male or female) who has been married, whether that marriage is current or not, and engages in sexual intercourse, with someone other than their spouse, or a new spouse, has committed the sin of adultery and the punishment is stoning. This is guidance from the Qur'an and its tafsir. We need go no further. Lastly, childbirth to an unwed woman, who has been unwed sufficiently though-out the period of conception and gestation, is evidence enough of illegal sexual intercourse. We have a sahih hadith from Bukhari to support this. So, if we want to speak just be heard, or if we want to be like the non-muslims and allow every opinion an opportunity to be validated, then we need to withdraw to a venue that does not enjoy the shade of Islam. This behavior is un-Islamic.
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ZALY MISMAN FROM SINGAPORE said:
I agree with you...
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YAHYA BERGUM FROM USA said:
I thought the Quran says something about the Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) as not being responsible for those who refuse to obey Allah (who has no son). I thought Muhammad (peace be upon him) was more like a warner and a bringer of good news.

What exactly is the definition of a "Salafi" anyway? I ask because ever since I visited one of their websites (about two years ago) I have thought of myself of one of them - at least in my heart - and to a certain extent in what I say - and even in some of the things I do - Alhamdulillah.

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.

--Yahya Bergum
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YAHYA BERGUM FROM USA said:
Assalamu alaikum (Peace be with you), mebrocky. What you said would hardly seem offensive, at least to this particular Muslim. For that matter, I also hope I have not offended you, either - but I did feel compelled to say something, in response to what you said. Alhamdulillah (all praise be to God).

May you have peace and blessings. Ameen.
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H.A. FROM WASHINGTON, D.C. said:
God does need a police to civilize creatures who say "It's my BODY and I can do whatever I want" like people in OUR DEAR CIVILIZED and MODERNIZED USA, THE LAND OF THE BRAVE AND FREE (theoretical ONLY).

That's enough for now...my head is about to explode...
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BHATTY NAZ FROM CANADA said:
please let us all join toghether and pray to ALLAH to guide us all toward the right path and bring unity and peace among all the nations of the world. Ameen.
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DAVID FROM AUSTRALIA said:
Asalaamu alikum.
The article is an excellent presentation highlighting the flaws of human interpretation and fanatacism.
God does not need a police force. As Islam takes hold globally, the values taught in the Scriptures will be enforced in the domestic environment, and the religious and communal environments.
Whilst the fundamentalists are endevouring to prevent the incideous and soul destroying values so well accepted in the west, and those Islamic states that are only Islamic in name, they do compromise personal freedom.
That a man wear a beard, or a woman the burkah should be a matter of individual preference for adults (23+). Community values should determine how children should be presented to her or his neighbours.
Look about you to all the nations, and see who is obsessed with vanity. ie. cosmetics, and jewellery. I suggest if you are in community where cosmetics and jewellery are considered acceptable, you are living amongst lost souls.
With regard to the vice-regent referred to in the article, I believe the Prophet Zul-Qarnain is the vice-regent to whom Muhamad refers when he says on behalf of the Archangel Gabriel Al-Ahzab (the Confederates) "O Prophet! Truely We have sent thee as a Witness, a Bearer of Glad Tidings, and a Warner."
As it happens, there are numerous Islamic nations whose governments, including the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Palestinian Authority, the exiled Iraqi government with whom I have had personal contact, along with the local mosque and some of its members. The forementioned all are aware I claim to be Zul-Qarnain, and the three 'missions'described in Al-Kahf (the Cave).

All praise first belongs to Allah, Aum
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S.A. FROM SAUDI ARABIA said:
Visit Saudi Arabia and you'll find people smoking, without beards and Hijab, listening to music,etc. It is a gross misconception to believe that all of Saudi Arabia is ruled by a religious establishment.
Also, just because some people do something, justifying their deeds with Islam, then unless there is evidence to back up their actions, they are not necessarily correct.
The topic is quite insensitive. God does not *need* us to do anything for Him, but we do. He does not need us to follow Islam, but we do, for attaining Paradise.
The fire in Makkah was not solely due to the religious police, but also because of the poor standards of the building. Even the HRW stated that they *may*, and not certainly have, played a role, so there is a need of thorough, transparent investigation, before pointing fingers. As for the Taliban, the author chooses to rely on unfounded statements. The reality is, as even confirmed by non-Muslims, there was education for females, but limited, due to civil war and sanctions (courtesy of the West). The Taliban had promised this situation to remain temporary. The case in Nigeria is just one being happily exploited by many to defame Islam. If the verdict is wrong, that doesn't mean Islam's rules are too. This doesn't really relate to the topic, though.
We take pride in our religion as a way of life, not something to be practiced on Fridays. Following Islam is not an issue of personal freedom, but an obligation on the Ummah. Evil must be first corrected by the hand, then, tongue, then deemed evil by the heart, and there is not a grain of faith in a person after that. So, an Islamic leader will be questioned re: his people, so he must guide them, like parents do with their children and prevent them even from small sins, which eventually destroy a person and society. Just like traffic fines force people to obey the rules, the police can make people obey the laws of Islam and they must not be rebuked, unless their means are Islamically faul
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FATIMA FROM USA said:
I agree with this article I mean Im kinda tired of other muslims condemning their fellow muslim brothers and sisters because they think they arent as pious as them or have as much faith as them. I mean Allah is the only judge. Our only duty is to serve Allah and try to teach the straight path to those who go astray. If we start acting like police its just gonna make those people not want anything to do with muslims and it will send them farther off path. Masha Allah Wonderful article
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MEBROCKY FROM USA said:
I find it hard to believe that this article got so many responses, when the article, "Normalizing Islam in America" only got about 10 responses. Whether we are Muslims, Jews, or Christians, we need to be responsible for our own behavior. This includes our responsibility to our Faith, our community, and our fellow man. I am not excluding other Faiths for any other reason than I have not studied them yet. This is a very difficult time for us all. Modernization can be seen as a great improvement, or as a threat to our more conservative values. The rules and regulations should never be more important than our treatment or our fellow man. As a Protestant Christian, there is nothing that I know of that would get me thrown out or in trouble, when I say that Muhammad was a great man, and one of God's great Prophets or that I believe the Quran is a blessed Holy book. I also would never say that my religion is the only right way, it is the way for me; the way I worship the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad. I hope I have not offended anyone with this, but that is hard to avoid when discussing anything to do with religion.
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MOHAMMED ATTIA FROM USA said:


May the most high be pleased with all of us.
The document was wright in my opinion .We live in a time when Muslims are surfing from the absence of righteous leadership among other elements of success.
It seems to me as if a great drought has come over us .A drought that is so great it endangers our whole existence . I see the shadow of famine laying his arms over us . We stand there warped in our own garments choking in our own blood all we do is stair ...
Water is the substance of life with out it no creature could survive nor grow so is the spiritual aspect of religion .with out it religion turns in to unexplained lows and regulations sharia becomes restrictions to freedom or in the best scenario an old custom.
We cannot force people to practice the laws of sharia if we didn't establish belief in there hart . that can only happen through the practice of the individual . a practice that is not only limited to sharia but to the spiritual aspect of our religion . through the following of the most perfect example of all the medicine of the harts and its light Mohammed .
That in my opinion is the drought we are suffering from now it is a drought in our spirit .
I always remember the story narrated by our beloved prophet .it concerns the coming back of Jesus
long have I pondered on the sours of this hadieth wondering about the meanings laying between these words.till I read in the quran that Jesus was called the spirit of Allah.. connecting that to our prophets hadeith about how we as Moslems will follow the foot steps of the sons of Israel . I understood that Islam will be revived again through the resurrection of the spiritual life under the light of Mohammed's great sharia.

My point is that Islam cannot be separated sharia and tarika .it is a holistic vision of life a complete system that has to be applied .
The danged comes when only one part of it is practiced for the spiritual path also has to be found on the bases of sha
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D.BERGLUND FROM USA said:
Great article. The comments are, however, most revealing and should make any thinking person take a close look at his or her belief system, whatever it is.
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OWEN JUBANDANG FROM USA said:
Opinions about how the Saudis run thier countrly invariably bring up heated debates. Unfortunatley there are some who believe that since Saudi Arabia is the birth place of the noble Prophet (PBUH) the laws of the land are infallible. I have lived there and I would like to point out some facts:
1. The Religious Police will only arrest less powerful people and the 'miskins' of poor countries. So the Saudi prices and Sheikhs who engage in hideous crimes such as rape, murder, and fornication , embzzlement etc. are left untouched. Also left alone are Westerners. (see point 2)
2. Sharia laws are selectively enforced in Saudi society. The harshest penalties are imposed on citizens of poor coutries (Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Phillipines etc.) and Western nationals are allowed to go free. Just read up the recent case of the Pakistani who was executed for smuggling contraband and the case of a Canadian and UK citzen who were pardoned by the Royal family after commiting murder.
The purpose of any police force/law is to apply justice equitably. If this is not the case, then no matter whether sharia/ Morality police is applied or not, Islamically there is no justice in that societly.
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BIHARI FROM CANADA said:
Asalamualikum
I think it is the duty of Islamic Government to enforce Islamic Laws and to enforce these laws but I agree that extremicity in anything is bad and also against Islam.The incident is highly tragic and if this is true that girls were not allowed to exit because of their dress, this is not Islam but due to lack of teaching and preaching of Islam.When there is a fear of death even alcohol and pork is permissible (under unavoidable circumstances).My sympathies to the families who lost their children.
May God guide us to the right path and give us true knowledge and wisdom of Islam
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MARIAM FROM USA said:
Is there not police forces in every city/country in the world? I strongly believe they are blessed in Saudia for having the police enforce the "laws of Allah" rather than the man-made laws they enforce in this country. Is it so hard to wear a long night dress to sleep with a hijob close to their bed? I, myself, could easily find something, anything, to throw over my and my daughter's head in an emergency. ANYTHING! I believe the girls in this article were wrong for going to the street in any situation uncovered and I also agree the reporter should have been fired! There is a hadith that said Prophet would rather burn down the man's home that didn't pray in the masjid. While we all must find our own middle ground, it must be according to the Quran and Shariah of our most Beloved Allah (swt) and most blessed Prophet (saw)!
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NURUL HODA FROM INDIA said:
In the article "Does God need a police force?" the author highlights only the negative aspect of police force in saudia he means specially MUTAWWA (religious police). For keeping the Islamic laws alive ie prevailing to our society their existence is a must, thogh the very strict attitude shold be moulded to some extent of softness.
Nurul Hoda
27-Aug-2003
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ADAMU IBRAHIM MUHAMMAD FROM NIGERIA. said:
I am apalled with those Muslims(?) who are for this article. They are either non-Muslims or they don't know what Islam is all about.

When Allah says he is making the Humans as his Khilafas on earth, what do you think He meant? That you be on earth and do as you wish? Certainly not! So what is the problem here? Allah's laws must be seen to be respected. And for those who think Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic State, they've to see their psychiatrists. In an Islamic State Allah's law governs and MUST be imposed. Just like I cannot live in the United States and break their laws so also if you have to be in Saudi no law should be broken by anybody.

I would like to add however that IF the author is right about allowing the poor ladies to die in the fire simply because they have no Islamic dress code, it is abhorring and against the same law of Allah, as two wrongs cannot make a right. But thae author did not substantiate the allegation well so it should be taken for what it is.

Allahu Akbar.
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ABDUL FROM USA said:
ignorant writer of this article. writer of this article is clearly ignorant and hating Muslims for no reason. i am a teenager and i understand in this case more than she! i am serious, if writer of this article has mental issues, Insha ALLAH i will help her by clearing out misconceptions about Islam in her head. she should stop hatin' and learn more. or i can teach her inshallah. May ALLAH guide her. Ameen.
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MUHAIDEEN BATAH FROM U.S.A said:
Assalamu Alaikum,
Those police men do a lot of harm to Islam. When we heard about the school fire and preventing girls from leaving, I was so angry, because here in the U.S. people have already their extreme views about Islam as well as Muslims, and then the girls were burned alive by the police. That is a huge crime in Islam as we all( the Muslims) know. For how long, one thinks is this unIslamic behave is going to keep one happening.
Wassalamu Alaikum.
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M.A.K. MAH MOOD said:
Dear brothers
I don't want tell Police do the wrong or right things but I want to tell some things Woman must cover her body until foot and cover her face all things because this may protect from the People those who have illminded. This already I had experience in my life. If U need I will give some incident relating to this

Wassalam
Mahmood Ibnu Muhammad Abdul Khader
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CHARLES JACKS FROM USA said:
The power to arrest, try and punish for trespass of bounds should each be held in separate bodies with the accuser put on trial along with the accused. If the police are not themselves policed the result can be disastrous. There is always the threat that a police (religious or otherwise) will become the sociological equivalent of an autoimmune disease like lupus or diabetes. I am reminded of other examples such as the puritan witch trials, the inquisition and Bush's homeland defense department. The conservative element in most societies will attempt to prevent the review of traditions that may well be human opinion born of extrapolations of revelation beyond what is within it. The prime example of this being the excommunion of Galileo for showing that the Earth was not flat and in the center of the universe surrounded by seven heavily spheres. Galileo was probably the least harmed of those that pointed out the difference between what God had wrought and what "religious authorities" thought they knew. Others were burned at the stake. Metaphors are metaphors and should not be confused with fact. Human-form revelation is less detailed than most people believe and religious authorities that don't know what they don't know have driven whole societies away from God. Europe for example.
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DANIEL HASNI MUSTAFFA FROM MALAYSIA said:
with the onslught of unislamic western culture through media like MTV, movies and inappropriate writings with the unstoppable approach of globalization, the people of the world are heading towards being tuned and honed to the welcoming of al dajjal. Having a police force that checks on individuals as well as social behaviours is a direct confrontation on these negative elements. I beleive that the people should be better educated on iman and amal through the same media that is used agaist Islam. In short, Muslims should be creative enough to promote Islam rather than having a police force that checks Islamic behaviour. There should be control and screening on the kind of exposure that we should get. There is no point of even dreaming of Islamic conduct when we promote unconciously unislamic values. We might even be able to promote islamic values and conduct to the rest of the world with the help of gobalization through media. People will choose what they already know or experienced. When they know Islam and experienced Islam then they will have something to compare with. The Islamic world has that responsibility to promote Islam as a way of life. I was in Arabia for Haj 2 years ago and the hotel that I was staying in had a satellite TV which pictured Arabic speaking women reading the news and singing and dancing. The hotel boys were reading materials on movies with pictures of movie stars in unislamic conduct. Even the policemen guarding Baitullah were smoking. Illigal cigarattes can be bought easily. The Jews had their hotels at the best locations in Mecca and Medina. KFC and other American fast food is abundant. All these were happenning in the holiest Muslim site. Policing islamic conduct and at the same time promoting alDajjal's conduct is at the very least stupid.
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AYESHA FROM BAHAMAS said:
Alhamdulillah somebody atlast expressed most peoples beliefs.I hope some thing will takes place in sharia.
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NOON FROM USA said:
Very Clear, Thank All of U.
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TZAWRAW COOPER FROM USA said:
As salam Akalium,
This article is filled with lies and misconceptions. The Saudi police never prevented anyone from leaving the building. And the Nigerian woman case was later dismissed because they didn't have four witnesses. If anyone wants to check the facts of these two cases can easily visit other Islamic websites. This is another case of someone trying to discredit Islam and the shariah. The author of this article is clever in presenting not just one side but repeating lies. I invite anyone one to find out the true facts.
Wassalam
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YAHYA BERGUM FROM USA said:
A'uzoo Billahi Minash Shaitaan nir Rajeem. Bismillah ir Rahman ir Raheem.

When might a school-of-thought become a sect? Perhaps, might it become so, when a Muslim is compelled to comply with the "interpretations" of a school-of-thought's respective scholars? After embracing Islam (as Allah's only religion) and accepting the Quran (as the last of Allah's books), if a Muslim does not also come to accept certain "widely-accepted interpretations" then should that Muslim be (properly) considered the member of a sect? And (surely!) Tafsir is a blessing.

Is the "common rope" to which the Ummah is supposed to cling defined by the "political realities" of the times in which a Muslim lives? If so, by whom might the correct methods of "holding onto the rope" be (properly) determined - in accordance with the seemingly most prevalent "political realities" of the times? And (surely!) Allah's instruction - to cling to the "common rope" - is a blessing and a mercy.

In whatever I might happen to say, the truth is always Allah's but the errors are mine (alone). I am grateful for being corrected, for the sake of Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala).

May Allah, al Rahman, al Rahman, reward each for their good deeds and intentions. I give thanks to Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) for comprehending to the extent Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) wills that I comprehend. Ameen.

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.

--Yahya Bergum
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YAHYA LEIGH FROM USA said:


I think the Muslim World has lost their mind better yet their spirit. This unjust interpataion of Islamic Law reminds me of a former nation the Children of Israel whom before Isa(Jesus) implemented a harsh interpetation of Judiac Law. We need to implement the spirit of the Law first. Meaning we must have an Islamic state of mind before we have and Islamic State. Islam has to be accepted in the hearts of the people before implementation of Islamic Law. Further more practice like Islamic police was never done during the Prophet(pbuh)time. Such implementation of Islamic Law quickly become oppression. Because it becomes somebodies job to look for what is wrong. Then quickly punished them for any infraction(Islamic Police). I disagree with any society the punishes for every little religious infraction. It does no good to the people breaking the religious laws. People should call them to Islam and its religious laws in order recieve the full blessing.

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SAJID HAMEED FROM USA said:
YES THESE DAYS ISLAMIC LAWS ARE MORE IN CUSTOM AND CULTURE INVOLVE IN IT THEN ISLAM ITSELF SAUDIARABIA IS THE ONE CUNTRY THAT REPRESENTING ALL THE MUSLIM WORLD. FIRST OFF ALL THERE IS A KINGDOM AND IN ISLAM WE NEED DEMOCRETIVE GOVERNMENT. I PRY TO GOD THAT PEOPLE OF ARABIA WAKE UP AND DO THE RIGHT THINGS THEY SPOUSE TO DO.
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MOHI FROM CANADA said:
I am glad to read this article that gives a clear picture of Saudi Arabia. I have been in that country and saw those people. Unfortunately, religious police, normal police or even the immigration officers and others in that country are not trained at all to deal properly with people. Most of them are rude, misbehave with public and have no civilized professional qualities. They only know how to enforce their authority. This is nothing to do with Islam. It is the people who rule that country. To me it seems they have no vision or sense to understand that their behaviour will have a negative image of Islam. Thanks to the great Al Saud family. When there is no accountability this is what happen. But the irony is that many of our so called Islamic scholars go there get some donation and become silent....
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AWAD AL SAYARI FROM UAE said:
I am totally against this poor article. First of all, this man wrote about those accidents in Saudi as they were true after reading it from one source - who is Jamal Khashiqjee - and he didnt bother to ask or search for any approved facts from other sources or from the government and because i live neat to Saudi let me tell you that this claimed accident happened surely but not the way the editor described it. The religious police DIDNT KEEP THE GIRLS IN THE SCHOOL TILL THEY WERE BURNT BUT THEY CAME TO HELP AND ASSIST IN RESQUING AS EVERYONE WHO WERE PRESENT SAID. SO, this article has no truth about that accident and it is fake.
Seqondly, the fired editor-in-chief is a SECULAR ideoligist who is against the shariah basically.
Thirdly, I CHALLENGE the editor of this very poor article to proove that either the Saudi religious police or the Taliban police had arrested anyone because of laughing in public. this is NON SENCE and I cant think of a muslim who believe such thing.

Finally, i think this article will really make the non muslims laughing at our Ummah.
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DELWAR MIAN FROM USA said:
What I think is Hesham A. Hassaballah tried to focus the excesses in implementing the Islamic laws by the authorities without fully understanding and even ignoring the common sense. I really hate this, and fear that these excesses make people hate Islam. We must be people of understanding, and while it is the saving of life we must keep in view Allah's greater pictuure, and deal in a way that's best for humanity, and that's Islam, but these excesses again I hate these excesses. These people must be straightened, they must eduate themselves before implement laws, and take lessons from the past, and don't create fitnah in the world. We've enough already. Be people of understanding.
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SHAH FARHAN KHAN FROM KUWAIT said:
Asalam-u-alaikum....dear muslim and non-muslim readers...i would first like to say that this is a very interesting topic mentioned here...and instead of disagreeing to what brother Hesham has written i would very much appreciate it if he would also suggest an alternative to this "religious police", for as far as i can think the muslim comunities around the world are the ones solely to be blamed for this kind of problems...people nowadays are only busy with the future and their daily lives without much effort to think has one driving force, and that would be amassing wealth. If we were to adhere to basic islamic moral values then i guess, if i'm not wrong, everyone in the community should actually start caring for one another just as much as the religious police care to enforce the strict codes on people. Again, i want to remind everyone that a religious police force is actually against the teachings of Islam, but if everyone would try and use peace as a tool to reach out to everyone, which every prophet had followed, then i think we all can achieve the best out of our lives in this world and inshallah in the hereafter......Wasalam-u-alaikum wa rahmatuallah.
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HALIMA FROM UNITED STATES said:
God does not need a police force....specially not from
government that has not respect for the women population,
women who are their mothers, daughters, wives, widows
and intellects in the different fields of todays world. Shame
of the Saudi Government who can purchase modern
warfares but enforce their own laws on women and call it
Gods Laws. If extremists believe that they can thicken their
book to Heaven by killing innocent women, children, men
and all the intellects in the name of SHARIA, they better
revise their thinking. WHAT DOES SHARIA SAY IN REGARD
TO PURCHASING MODERN WAR HEADS, JETS, CARS,
BUILDING PALACES......While ignoring the poverty stricken
population of the world.
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RICHARD FROM USA said:
I can understand where people would appose an extreme enforcement of Islamic Law or any law for that matter. Especially where the law is not based on the qur'an or sound hadith. Many cultures and or countries use their police force to enforce "moral" laws. The United States uses the police to enforce a ban on prostitution. During the time of prohibition, the US used police to enforce a ban on alcohol. So, there is no reason to say that there is no use for a "police" force to enforce a moral code of conduct. The problem lies in how the moral code is enforced, not if one is needed or not. I'm not advicating a hugh police force that spies on citizens. I'm talking about a police force that would be used to stop major infractions of the moral code and issue warnings on minor issues.
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SHARIQUE MAQBOOL FROM INDIA said:
As-salamalikium. I am competely against your article. According to you god does not need any religious force but actually god doesn't need anything from us. The reason for that is it is necessary or wajib for womensto wear hijab so that their beauty is not displayed. So they have to wear by wisdom or by imposing strict shariah laws by government on them. Let me give example:-

1) In islam its there that u have to make your child offer his salah regularly at a age of ten if not beat him. It is also a harsh method but its there in islam so have to follow it.

In some cases i agree like that about the school fire. But your general idea about it is not correct. At the time of prophet muhammed(saws)there weren't any police force because at that time the imaan of sahabah was far more much greater then the muslims of today! They didn't indulge in any kind of bad things. In saudi arabia they have just imposed a proper civil dress for womens. If they dont then holy country of saudi arabia will be like america "everywhere adultery".
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IMRAN FROM CANADA said:
I found this Article"does God need a police force" is a well written article. its a very sensitive subject to deal with, but at the same time we need to understand that we follow the basic rules laid down by Allah in quran. if the power at "Islamic countries" goes on to use such excuses to make its own means. its real bad situation. and such things in this global village is harming all the muslims arround the world.
the ruler should understand that religion is high priority than retaining the power. Most of us are aware of the ayat" there is no comp....." but we do things to meet our means. we have to bring a change in ourselves.

allah hafiz
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MAHMOOD KHAN FROM AUSTRALIA. said:
I was appalled to learn about the fate of the muslim girls who were subjected to roast in the fire because some smart " Muslims " deemed them to be not suitably attired to leave the campus. This is barbarism personified! Does not the Holy Quran state that Allah SWT has created humanity from a single source.?And that man and women are equal and will be judged by their Taqwa?.We men are are the garments of our spouses .Al rijaalo qowaamuna alan nisaa.It galls me when some men pick the "eye " from a verse of the Holy Quran to justify their mediaeval barbarism and attribute their action as the Sharia. When I was in Mecca there was a whole group of women sitting behind me seriously engaged in Ibadat when suddenly there appeared one of these absolute Jaahil Mutawwaf who beat a stick on the floor and demanded that the women leave their enclosure and go the "back" Some of these poor women protested that they had come early to get a glimpse of the Kaaba.And now that the rooftop was full the men felt it was their right to evict the women. Such disgraceful behaviuor questions the understanding of Islam by some of these bearded nomads.. Often one is not surprised that Allah SWT had sent the Holy prophet SAWS to a people who were in absolute Jaahalia and who were immersed in total hedonism . Imagine the plight of The Messenger SAWS .This was the Miracle ! They stopped drinking alcohol They stopped urinating in the Masjid,They stopped burying their daughters alive. Yet today some have reverted to the Jaahalia.and are burning the females. I pray that may Allah SWT give these people the hidayat and see Islam in its proper perspective .Allah SWT will only change the condition of a people if they change themselves.Now some elements are blowing themselves up and mutilating humanity. And they call this Martyrdom.!!!! Your brother Mahmood Khan.
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ROHINA FROM UK said:
In Islaam the parents are responsible for their childrens guidence and will be held accountable to Allah, likewise the leaders of our countries are responsible for the nations hence if they fullfill their resposiblity then they have to enforce it.

Also any Islamic State applying shiria Law would only have "Gods Police"

This article is very poor and detrementale to Muslims, as it gives examples of things which would not be allowed by any true Muslim.

All the example have probably been picked up from western media sources which always try and put Islam down. There are always two side to a story.
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ABO OMAR FROM BOSNIA said:
Bismillah

First of all, what is writer's aim behind this article?

In USA, where he lives, there is no 'police force'. He is living there with nonmuslims, watching half naked men and women, watching homosexuals and lesbians and he talks (writes) about 'police force'.

I think the writer of this article just wants to show to nonmuslims how smart he is when he reject Taliban or Saudian 'police force' thinking that nonmuslims will like him more, saying: 'He's good one.'

Also writer should know that there is a big secular campaign against Saudi Arabia to ban everything Islamic, so they are attacking everything with pro-Islamic sign.

Police force, Allah Almighty doesn't need police it is true. But we should know that people need it. And who are 'police force'? Human beings like us, they make mistakes just like us, and they are not perfect. If that is true, about Saudi girls who died 'because' of 'police force', well Allah the Almighty is a Judge.

Today we find Muslims who are smiling to enemies of Islam, sitting with them eating, having banquets, but in the same time they are spitting on their brothers who try to make something for Allah. So if you are there sitting in your house garden, having barbeque, far away from Muslim countries, than send this article to your president George Bush, he will award you for sure.

(I apologize for my bad English, but I'm still a Muslim)
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MAMAT FROM MALAYSIA said:
Recently, I've seen an Arab couple ,tourist, with the woman wore full black robe, (hell I can't see her eyes) and the silly wanker only wore shorts and sandal wandering around city's posh area.I felt like kicking that guy.
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JORDAN FROM USA said:
Wonderful article! Everyone is afraid to question norms that are actually an affront to Islamic ideals and prinicpals that only work to hurt Islam as our whole community is examined under an intense microscope. We must work to intellectually sort the what Islam is and needs to be in this day and age. We are all the representatives of God's perfect system and we must show that Islam is the solution for mankind.
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MAHMUD JEMAL FROM AUSTRALIA said:
Excellent
Greed,and Guilt, make humans distructive.
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SRDALBIZU FROM USA said:
Unfortunately, too often ignorant people take religions hostage of their own inflexibility, which results in disgrace and shame to the good standing members(believers) of it. Or I may say they become the hostage of evil. May Allah preserve us.
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AKRAM MUHAMMAD FROM USA said:
I agree with this article 100% I am tired of these so called Mullahs trying to implement so called Islamic laws on others. We need to follow the Koran and Sunnah just as our Beloved Prophet Mohammad would have wanted us to. We Muslims need education, peace the Mercy and Blessings of Allah Subhanatallh to be prosperous in this life and in the hereafter.
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SCOTT MUHAMMAD FROM USA said:
A nation can rise no higher than its women.
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ABDI FROM USA said:
I could not have said it any better. May Allah bless the author and may Allah guide this Ummah form the darkness we are in today to light(like the companions of the legend prophet Mohmamed ppuh).
One thing is clear though, this religion is right and just no matter how some people who beleive in behave, make no mistake about it. After all Islam is the fastest growing religions in the world. It is Allah's mercy that churches are for sale and more Masjids are bought day after day. May Allah guide us to the right path.
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KHADIJA FROM CANADA said:
Assalamu alaikum
I would like to say that you are absolutly wright about the consept of "God's police force". It is maybe the reason why muslims can't get together as one force, because each one of us has a different stand. Some side with the U.S. (mainly the arab governements and rulers), some want freedom and want an Islamic Country, and well, the others think that in order for us to be good Muslims and have an Islamic country, we have to force people to follow their religion.
All the points that you've made make perfect sence, and maybe if all muslims can think that way, we wouldn't have to force people into following their relegion since they will learn to love it for themselves when they see what beautiful and perfectly brought out message it has. If God told us to act in the way that's best, in what authority do we do the complete opposite?
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KHALID FROM BRITAIN said:
I once went for Umrah in the month of Ramadan. By the time I reached Meccah al mukarahmah, our bus ws late, Isha prayers were over, and the taraweeh had started. I was witness to an act of indecency committed on a young nigerian girl ( takrooni ) by an equally young mutawah.
I could not believe that a muslim could do this infront of harum, (bab abdul aziz, Mecca ) in the month of ramadan.
To me, Mutawahs or religious police are corrupt and immoral to the core.
Their purpose is to support the immoral regime of saudi arabia.
The concept of one ummah before Allah is shattered when visitors are treated differently.
Maas sallam Khalid sulaiman
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WAMEDH ABDULKEREEM FROM UNITED KINGDOM said:
I couldn't have said it any better... it is time that these government brought to accauntability.
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LAMAR SEIFUDDIN FROM USA said:
Very well written article. I agree with the author. Religious beliefs shouldn't be "imposed on anyone". Allah is the supreme "police force", if you will. We should "pull our brother's coat tail".
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JAWAID KHAN FROM USA said:
This aritcle should opened the eyes of Saudi authorities that we do not need any kind of religeous police. I have lived in Saudi Arabia for about 18 years and seen the acitivities of those "Mottawaas" (Religious police) with my own eyes.
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KAZEEM KOLEOSO FROM NIGERIAN IN NORWAY said:
As Salaam Alaikum,
I will like to thank the writer for his comments on this issue. This is an example of the ways that a true muslim should behave. I think that the ''religious police'' of Saudi Arabia can to put it mildly, be accused of over-zealosness in matters of interpreting the word of Allah as laid down in the sharia and the Al-Quran. This reversion to a puritanism where the joy of living is quashed under strictures such as long beards and burqas not only demeans the faith, it also is not a reflection of the communion between man and his Maker. This interpretation of Islam is also part of the troubles that the religion is facing today. Back in my country, if I say I am a muslim, the first comment is that ''But you don't look/behave like a muslim''. this is because of the negative stereotyping that the religion has undergone, especially in the recent past. i am one for looking at the laws in the Sharia, and giving them a modern face, else true Islam is in further danger of being left behind in the scheme of life.

Ma salaam

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SHARIF S. SADEK FROM UNITED STATES said:
Hesham A. Hassaballa hit it right on the nose. This is why we are portrayed by the west as barbaric and a backwards thinking religion.This is an enormous disservice to Muslims and non-Muslims alike.
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R.AFTAB FROM USA said:
I agree Allah did not assign any one of us muslims to sit judgement on anyone.The only criteria is to set an example to others by one's actions. Muslims are supposed to be people of compassion, tolrance,humility and justice. To possess such beautiful nature and conduct that muslims and non muslims alike want to emulate you.
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UMM HALEEMAH FROM ENGLAND said:
Asalamalaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu. i am a english muslim revert and i found it so sad what i read about in this article. The fire for example is something i never knew about, and the way the young muslim girls were treated just because they were not adhereing to the islamic code of dress, acoording to these so called religious police. All i can say is may allah guide this ummah out of misguidance and help all of us to unite, because who needs enemies when we are fighting amongst ourselves and killing each other. Its a tragedy. Alhamdullilah that we are only answerable to allah, the most merciful and the most just, because all i see around me now is intolerance and lack of compassion and mercy amongst us. Islam came to me when i needed it most and allah'ta'allah showered me with mercy and brought me from darkeness into light. So all we can do is pray that allah helps us and protects the ummah from falling into further distruction.
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MOUHAMAD BAMBA SIBY FROM SENEGAL said:
Alhamduli'llah,Peace be upon The Muhammad,assalamu alaukum,
I think that we have to separate the muslims' behavior in their own houses and when they are out side. People cannot do all they want when they are out of their houses. The police in islamic countries , like in Saudi Arabia,has to protect the society againt those who don't want to respect the islamic laws apparently.
God does need a police force.
May Allah bless police forces.
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MERAJ MIRZA FROM U.S.A. said:
Beautiful Document, Please make sure it reaches to all those people who are pro-taliban in Afghanistan or anywhere else.
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MUHAMMAD FROM USA said:
http://www.arabnews.com/page=1§ion=0&article=13459&d=14&m=3&y=2002&pix=kingdom.jpg&category=Kingdom

this is the link to news paper
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MOHD.HUSSAIN YAWARI FROM INDIA said:
I fully endorse the views of the author.If Islam has to grow it has to follow the path shown by prophet Mohammed(PBUH)and give respect to human rights as advocated by Islam.A man without freedom is like a dead mind moving in a living coffin.Unfortunately today a muslim in most (so called)Islamic countries is without freedom hence his mind is dead.If we want to serve the muslims we have to fight for true democracy in every (so called) Islamic state.
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S. GEDDI FROM THE NETHERLANDS said:
Assalaam calaykum.


I do agree with you about your artical, but you must always consider that as your own opinion, because our pure religion is independant from any human interpretation. my last word is Allah knows the best.

you brother
Suleiman from The Netherlands

Salaamu calaykum
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SAQIB ALI FROM DENMARK said:
There is no compulsion in religion , well it depends on how u understand it. Some people say its no compulsion against non-muslims. And some "like islamicity" say its for both parties.
BUT what is wrong with u people!? U are discussing "religious police or not? ! When Kuffar are invading muslim countries and shooting them without reason! ? What is wrong with u??! They attacked Afghanistan and they attacked Iraq and they attack islam each end every time in their speeches but what does the muslim ummah do about it?! THEY TALK ABOUT RELIGIOS POLICE IN SAUDI ARABIA!

MAY ALLAH FORGIVE US AND GUIDE US TO THE RIGHT PATH.

wasalam,

Saqib
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SOFIA SHUMS FROM USA said:
When we use a broader underlying concept to understand and interpret the ayats of the Holy Qur'an, the dictates of Allah SWT seem to fall in perfect form. And when attempting to explain the Creator's Law, our explanation becomes much easier to comprehend.
Let me give you an example. The Qur'an seems to carry this notion of equitable distribution of wealth in order to create a just, productive and peaceful community/society. Since a woman has not been given any responsibility to take care of economic needs of her fmily, it is reasonable that she is given to inherit only half of what the male inherits as otherwise the women would end up accumulating immense wealth and the men would be unfairly burdened and unable to fulfill God's dictates. Thus the attack by westerners that Islam is discriminating against women's rights falls by the wayside when analyzed with the broader Qur'anic concept in mind.
Similarly, if Allah SWT has stated clearly, time and time again in the Qur'an that human beings will be held accountable in the Hereafter as individuals, the notion of a top-down approach in implementing the Sharia of the Qur'an in an Islamic community beomes problematic if the individual Muslims are deprived of the God-given freedom of choice between right and wrong actions. The behavior of Saudi-type relgious police, ayatollah-controlled Shia-type policing or a Taliban type mentality are all bound to falter and err, and more importantly, violate God's Law because they have set aside or totally ignored the overall guiding concept of individual responsibility and accountability in spiritual, moral and ethical maatters. Shocking as it may sound, we have not conducted our lives according to Qur'anic dictates by chosing the concept of leadership in political and religious arenas as our starting point of reference, and have allowed blind submission to men as our guide as if that would set us all on the right path. Now, to succeed, we need a different paradigm.
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NIMCO FROM DENMARK said:
Asalamu aleikum wr wb..Jazakumullah khair, Masha Allah it is beautyful article ..and about the reality life around the muslim society in the nowlife, wich the medie are useing as evidence that Islam does agree with..Islam has nothing to do with every action made by human.. There is no country fulfiling the religion of Allah... we can't follow a part of Allahs law and denie the other part..Allah said to bani Israel: "Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do. "[2:85]

specielt about the so called "religous police" !!! Allah will acount you in the day of Judgement...........
asalmu aleikum wr wb
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MAJDI EL TAJOURY FROM USA said:
I do not say "Thank you" to Islamicity for
publishing an article against Saudi Arabia in a
time when Saudi Arabia is verbally and mediaticaly
attacked. Actually, I am SURPRISED that islamicity
would contribute to such a mediatic campaign
against Saudi Arabia.
I believe that this article doesn't help the ummah
nor its image througout the world.
And the article also attacks the islamic dress
code by featuring it as being "extremist" or
backward. And this certainly doesn't help on
giving an accurate image of Islam.

Today, I am starting to believe that islamicity
is run by people who really have western views.
who have a poor understanding of Islam, and who do
not seem to feel that they belong to one ummah.

Instead all they have found to do, is to publicly
critisize a muslim country and the islamic dress
code.

For this reason, I am unsubscribing to islamicity.

Believe me when I say that now on Islamicity won't have
a good publicity through me.
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AYESHA FROM USA said:
Only Allah can judge us for our sins. And how can these men do something as horrific as make girls die because of what they have on. How do we even know that they themselve are pious men. I don't think that they are because a pious person would be compassinate enough to help them save there lives.
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ZAHRA ARSHADI FROM UNITED STATES said:
Dear brothers and sisters Assalam alikum.

This was a great article. Your whole site is one of the best that I have seen on Islam. Keep up the good work. Sincerely your sister in Islam Zahra Arshadi
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GILBERTO FERES ABRAO FROM BRAZIL said:
Bismillehi arRahmani arRahim
Wa Salam Alaikum !
I couldn't agree more. I think the author is 100%correct.The last comment made by him in his article says it all. God does not need a police force to make sure his servants live Islamic lives. This religious police and similar organizations are blackening the name of Islam. And as A Muslim living in Brazil it breaks my heart to see some organizations, that call themselves Islamic, terrorizing and killing other muslims around the world, like it's happening in Pakistan, Afganistan and other parts of the world, including here in Brazil. These organizations fortunately - if I may say so- do not have a big number of followers but, unfortuantley, they have been very violent. This religious police in Saudi Arabia, or wherever it may exist, is just a softer version of these organizations. May Allah protect us all from their evil and the damage they are doing to Islam.
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YASMINE FAHIM FROM SAUDI ARABIA said:
In my opinion, and my knowledge is limited in many ways, wearing the hijab is not just a matter of covering the hair and face. I believe that first one should, man or woman alike, first to wear the hijab "of the heart and mind," the hijab that trains the mind and heart to think and feel in positive and constructive ways. Jealousy, envy, spying, gossipping,(creating gossip, encouraging gossip), finding ways to spread rumors about others, taking advantage of others, being disdainful, assuming evil intentions in others without proof, harming others through carelessness, selfishness, or nastiness, staring at others to the point of making them uncomfortable, having racist tendencies and acting in prejudiced ways, and much more. Let us start with the basics and then build on strong foundations before we go around forcing others to cover. Thank you.
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ALI NASSER FROM CANADA said:
God dos not need police, Islamic law should be taught and left for every one to obey at his/her own will, 99%of Muslim don't understand Islamic law.it seems to me every Islamic country has its own interpretation cant here only be one?
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KOLBER FROM UK said:
I am only against it because your question is wrongly worded.Allah certainly doesnot need need a police force, but we muslims like other humans, do need policing. The guidance for what is 'decent' and 'desirable' in a muslim society is there in the Quran and the Sunna. All we need to do is to be sensible in the observation of our duties and obligations and for our 'police' to be more a servant of the people than masters. The threat of non-muslim values through the intrusive global media, and the lure of 'tourism' , is real enough to warrant the policing of our youth and 'visitors'. This is not to support the beard-length or skirt-length measuring brigades, but to propose self-policing, starting from within our homes.
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PAUL J THOMAS FROM USA said:
Another excellent article which points out the necessity of compasion i our lives towards one another. The author describes perfectly the danger of becoming obsessed with "religion" rather than being devoted to God. We asked God's mercy on all, and we should certainly reflect it in our own lives.
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SHIRLEY THOMAS FROM USA said:
that was a good article, sad though ,it had to happen -giving islam bad name, when they do this
We need to be concious always of our dress and the way we respect ourselves, but that was extreme, and didnt show love to those girls who perushed because of it, that was a shame
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RICHARD WHITESELL FROM USA said:
Either you love Allah and follow the rules or you don't. It is between you and Allah and is no one elses business. One should lead by example but is being forced to do something really loving Allah? I reverted from Christianity to Islam while stationed in Saudi Arabia but have always seen the religious police as going against the teachings of Islam by shaming and forcing people to go to mosque and following other rules that were not in their heart. Being forced to go to mosque does not make you a good Muslim. Beating people with camel switches does not make one love Allah if they do not want to, it is something that must come from the heart. He has made a beautiful religion but nothing is written in stone. The lives of the young school girls were more important than the fact they were not covered, life was being threatened and that fact allowed them to be uncovered. In the life to come, the religious police will have to answer for their actions.
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O. M. RAMAHI FROM USA said:
Brilliant analysis!
The Saudi Government's handling of the so-called
"religious functions" is politically and not
religiously motivated. Their mischief has gone
for many years and it is time for Muslims to reclaim the true religion from this tribal kingdom.
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DELORES LUNDIE FROM U.S.A. said:
As Salamu Alaikum,
I am thankful, that the Dominion and the Mercy of
ALLAH, towards his servants is acknowledged in this
article. Alhamdhulilah.
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SADIQ FROM USA said:
There is one important hadith missing from your article; the hadith is one of the fundamentals of Deen: "Enjoin Good and forbid evil." or as the prophet sala allaho alih wasalam said. we have to understand that if no one or only few people do that then our deen and values will deminish. we need such institution to keep our own evil deeds in check. I certainly see no arguement against this great institution. I addition, you called it "God's police" to exaggarate your point and to give the readers the impression that this instituion is evil. It would only be fair enough to express thier great contributions as well as thier shortcomings; after all, they are only humans.
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ABDULLAH A. H. FROM S.A said:
Bismillaah , I wish the people would fear Allah before writing such articles.indeed,munafiqeen ( and jahileen )spread lies about religious people in order to instill hatred in the hearts of muslims against them,without verifying the matter with the concerned people.the mutawwas did state their innocene from such wrong things that happened in makkah,and a prince confirmed what they the said.how intolerant are so called muslims towards the mistakes of FEW ignorants in the religious police here. they will scream and write aricles like shyateen.may Allah curse them.yet these people do not get angry when the fasiqeen amongst them spread fahishat here.

when i first came to s.a.( 20 years ago from usa),the religious police here had much command, due to which this counrty was like a paradise. during the time of salah,the streets would empty and the mosques would fill up with people, even young girls wore abayas,owners of gold shops used to leave their shops open during salah.but then these religious people were oppressed,and what are the results. S.A. is turning into U.S.A. = hell.crime rate has shot up eg rapes adultery theft murders.many women no longer wear scarfs,no one cares about salah ( streets are full during salah time). no one writes articles about the fall of islam in this holy land,but they will write against those who try to fix the situation. wallahi the situation over here would make any muslim cry.before,in the streets of madinah one could hear quran recitaion from every house, and if you walk in makkah and madinah now , you will hear rap pop.and other musics,any complains in the media to change this situation?never.

the God-fearing people ae being blamed everywhere.may Allah have mercy on taliban who did not allow girls to go to schools for their own safety(because of civil war).later on,they did,and Allah is enough as a witness.

O author,shame on u.

may ALlah give the religious people more authority in this land , ameen
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LISA NEWLIN FROM UNITED ARAB EMIRATES said:
Jazakumallahu khayran! A voice of rationality speaking out against a most troubling practice.
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IQBAL KHAN FROM SAUDI ARABIA said:
Yes, I am for it. This is called Amar Bil Mar'rouf n Nahi Anil Munkir. If you dont't stop the wrong doers and do not watch them, I am afraid the masses will live like the westernes which is spreading fast among both moderatate and Orthodox Muslims. Please do not put such articles on the net as it reflects very bad among non-Mulsims since they have a reason to condem or degrade particular country, which is somehow following Shariah.

Please publish articles on Islam, about Companinions of Rasul Allah etc...

I expect you will take note and not repeat again.

Thanks,
Iqbal Ahmed Khan
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L. A. H. KHAN FROM INDIA said:
It is nicely written article. As per Quran a haram thing can be used in order to save human life if it is compulsory and there is no other alternative. In this case the girls should have been allowed to pass through the Main Gate instead of asking them to pass through rear gate and subjecting their lives to very high risk.
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OMAR FROM USA said:
Wow!!!! I loved this article. May all praise be due to Allah. Dr. Hassaballa did a great job with making clear the greatness of of the shari'ah. I love his way of spelling things out. I am very impressed.
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KHALID FROM INDIA said:
The Saudi Govt. will do good if they allow the work of Tabligh-e-Jamaat to be carried in their country.That way there will be no need for Religious Policing.People on their own will be following and practising Islamic Laws and Principles.May Allah (SWT)Give them wisdom and guidance.
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ALIE BAH FROM U.S.A said:
It is advisable that you fear your lord and remember that what ever you say without clarity you will be accounted for it before the LORD.Do not just take phrases from the Quran to suite your opion without having authentic Hadith.
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FAISAL ARAIN FROM SINGAPORE said:
it is indeed an excellent article,I hope rest of the muslims specially the "religious force" would revised and reform their thoughts according to humane sensitive rules.... So sad to know about the Mecca school incident, hope thats an eye opener for the government to reform their priorities for actions during the emergencies to save people's life as the first priority regardless of relgion, race or other discremination criteria.....
faisal
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MUSTAFA HAJJO KHARMA FROM JORDAN said:
I HOPE THAT BOTH OFFICIAL AND CIVIL ISLAMIC INSTITUTES WILL FOLLOW THE UNDERSTANDINGS GIVEN IN YOUR PRESENT ARTICLE.
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SALIM MORGAN FROM USA said:
First of all, the alleged story about the girls school fire is lies and URBAN LEGEND. You should CHECK such things before repeating them. The actual reason for the high casualties was government corruption and numerous violations of building and safety codes. The nonsense about the mutawaa'een was pure BS and concocted to cover up the real causes. Islam is a complete society. YES there were Companions who checked on the behavior of other muslims and took action. Today we say that there is a "hadd" punishment for intoxication of 40 lashes. This was only foralized AFTER the Prophet (sas). In the time of the Prophet (sas), the MUSLIMS themselvs were instructed (and DID) simply beat anyone found publicly drunk with their shoes, straps or clothing until they thought it was enough. Islam is a COMPLETE SOCIETY and not a "religion" or purely spiritual concept like people have in the west. Do you think there is a coherent, intelligent society without any police force? There is none, and the society of Islam is no exception. Shame on you for this article.
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DEBBIE KERRICK FROM USA said:
Another excellent article about an excellent point. No we do not need a police force for God. I think we should do more to mind our own business and behaive in a more civilized and gracious manner towards each other than pointing a finger at someone else. A lesson my own country needs to learn. I try never to judge less I will the one to be judged. Instead I prefer tolet Allah be my judge when my time comes. I will answer to him and him alone. Let God be my only police force into my soul.
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MEGHAN FROM USA said:
ASSALAM ALIEKUM, THIS IS REALLY SAD TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE CORRUPT OUR DEEN, WHETHER TO LIBERALLY OR TO EXTREME. OUR DEEN IS SIMPLE. WHEN IT IS MADE SO HARSH, PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME TO FOLLOW. MAY ALLAH BLESS THOSE GIRLS THAT DIED IN THAT FIRE AND AWARD THEM PARADISE INSHALLAH...AMEEN
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SAKEENA FROM USA said:
Its high time that we realize that the harsh and frightful, misogynistic view of Islam is not Islam at all. The Prophet, May Allah's peace and blessings be upon him, was a one who advanced women's rights and was forward thinking in his approach to practical living.Let us follow that sunnah...no some narrow ideology that some foist as Islam.
And Allah knows best..
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RAZA AZMI FROM USA said:
Excellent!.. I wish if our own people understand and convey this message to the world that Islam is not about women wearing Burqa and Men wearing Beard...It is more about the true philosphy of life and its principles.When it comes to islamic laws and values, it is unfortunate that we only remember and present god as 'qahar and jabbar, and forgets that he is Rahim and Kareem too...
Things would be much better if we clearly understand the 'Quran', its purpose and philosphy, before jumping to the conclusions of our own and act like the 'sole authority' to decide on someone's fate.

Sincere Regards,
Raza
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FIAZ SHUAYB FROM USA said:
salaam:

I refer to the article "Does God need a police force?" The author concluded God does not. This is an erroneous conclusion that betrays the author's scant knowledge of Islamic Law.

The Prophet (s) said: "whoever of you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart--and that is the weakest of faith." (Reported by Muslim). During his lifetime up to the reign of Umar bn al-Khattab, this moral enforcement in civil society was duly executed by the PRophet (s) and his Companions themselves. That is because Madinah was a small city with a small population and easily supervised.
During the reign of Uthman, however, the enforcement of the public moral code posed a logistic problem with an ever expanding Muslim population, so the third rightly guided caliph resorted to appointment of public officials to carry out this duty. Later in Islamic history, it was enshrined and implemented through a government agency known variously as Hisbah, Muhtasib, and the like, empowered to carry out the public function of enjoinging good and forbidding evil. It was necessary this judicial function be executed by the state so as to avoid civil strife if left entirely up to individuals.

THe fact that this statal institution is abused by various Muslim governments from time to time(e.g. Saudi Arabia and in Afghanistan under the rule of the Taliban) is not justification to repudiate what has been clearly sanctioned by Islamic Law.

Furthermore, we say God needs a police force or vice squad or whatever, not in a metaphysical sense as pertains to His divine predicates, but in a legislative sense. THe reason being Allah does not come down from the sky to govern humankind but has expressed His legislative (shar'i) will through express texts of the SHaree'ah or Islamic Law, which is to be implemented by Muslims with shortcomings and not angels imbued with perfec
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ZAHEER AHMAD FROM UK said:
In the Name of Allah most Gracious, Most Merciful.
A refreshing article. We have to get out of the Yoke of "Tunnel Vision" and apply the tenets of Islam Intellectually. Islam is against all forms of oppression. The examples cited by you are only the tip of the iceberg. There are millions of other situations when we come across oppression in the name of Islam. Once returning from Umrah, I was stopped by the Immigration from leaving because the authorities would not believe that my sister had left on an earlier flight to London while I was going elsewhere.I was the Mahram. Their verdict was "You are Guilty and prove yourself innocent".
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MUKTAR FROM ETHIOPIA said:
it is very much saddening that the so called religious police donot know the purpose of sharia.otherwise we can not explain their behaviour .just they are ignorant of islam and its priorities.
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ABU OMAR said:
Bismillah

First of all, what is writer's aim behind this article?

In USA, where he lives, there is no 'police force'. He is living there with nonmuslims, watching half naked men and women, watching homosexuals and lesbians and he talks (writes) about 'police force'.

I think the writer of this article just wants to show to nonmuslims how smart he is when he reject Taliban or Saudian 'police force' thinking that nonmuslims will like him more, saying: 'He's good one.'

Also writer should know that there is a big secular campaign against Saudi Arabia to ban everything Islamic, so they are attacking everything with pro-Islamic sign.

Police force, Allah Almighty doesn't need police it is true. But we should know that people need it. And who are 'police force'? Human beings like us, they make mistakes just like us, and they are not perfect. If that is true, about Saudi girls who died 'because' of 'police force', well Allah the Almighty is a Judge.

Today we find Muslims who are smiling to enemies of Islam, sitting with them eating, having banquets, but in the same time they are spitting on their brothers who try to make something for Allah. So if you are there sitting in your house garden, having barbeque, far away from Muslim countries, than send this article to your president George Bush, he will award you for sure.

(I apologize for my bad English, but I'm still a Muslim)
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ABU SHUAYB FROM USA said:
There is no need to bash anyone, as it helps no one. I believe the police force in this case should be taken to the Lajnain Ad-Daimah (The Standing Committee), which is a committee of scholars in Saudi Arabia, or any other committee or group of scholars to enlighten the police force. Hopefully, from now on, the police force will employ only those who have sound knowledge of Islam, because only those with sound knowledge can teach others, or they will lead them astray.

Not saving anyone's life because of an improper dress is something that is mind-boggling, and hard to believe. I would really like to know whether this is the real reason, and doubt that any sincere believer could so such a thing. May Allah have mercy on the souls of the Muslim girls who died. Ameen. Any errors are from me, any good is from Allah.
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HOUDA FROM USA said:
It is important to remember that if a person's reason for doing something is fear of people rather than fear of Allah(SWT) (or desire to please Allah(SWT)) then it is as if he didn't do it at all. If you are praying and covering and avoiding bad things simply because everyone around you does that or because you fear being beaten by someone if you don't, then you are not Muslim. You are submitting your will to whoever it is that is making you do those things, not submitting your will to Allah(SWT). The efforts of these religious police and likeminded individuals are not helping the people who they are trying to "steer on the straight path" because the people are not doing these things for Allah(SWT) but only to avoid persecution from these human authorities. All of us must remember that Allah(SWT) knows our intentions and that everything we do must be for the pleasure of Allah(SWT) and no one else. If the religious police were truly given an understanding their own religion they would be ashamed of their actions and beg Allah's(SWT) forgiveness. Al-Hamdullilah they will be made to pay retribution to everyone that they unfairly hurt or caused to die and all who were unfairly persecuted will be rewarded for their suffering and patience insha Allah. Allah (SWT) knows best...
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WILLIAM FROM USA said:
at this times of islamic deakness, we as muslim are falling victem to the western way of what islam should be like, the nabi( peace upon him) said if you see something wrong change it with your hands........part of the hadith., and that is what the muslim should do, because if we see something wrong than we as a notion must fight to change it, exspeically if we live in a land that is majority muslim, will any one what to be destored because of some one else, reas the quran it has happen to nation before. I also think that the police need to be butter trained and also a little common since can go a long way, if the building is on fire and one of them religions gay was in there naked and he ran out will he want me beating him, telling him to go back in
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NATASHA FROM USA said:
Very good article
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MUHAMMAD FARAZ FROM INDIA said:
assalamu alaikum wr wb.
i absolutely agree with this article.
one cannot chp hands of thief unless it is made sure that all rich and able of society are pying zakat and other taes duly.
just as pregnancy out of wed lock may obviate need of four witnesses,similarly positive dna test of alleged man also obviate need of four witness.
application of sharia law without any proper homework,and establishing proper social structures and a environment and above all a very vigrous amr bil maaroof wa nahi anil munkar is bound to fail as it did in afghanistan.
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HEATHER BROWNE FROM USA said:
I could not agree more. Wallahi, I wish more Muslims would think like you! It makes me so sad to see our tolerant, compassionate religion hijacked by narrow-minded control freaks who enforce laws that best suits their needs and ignore and violate the laws that would give others (usually women) more power.
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