Some Christians See a 'Road Map' to End Times
In recent years, conservative Christians across the country have grown increasingly involved in the Mideast peace process. Even though the conflict in the region is nominally one between Jews and Muslims - in which Christians appear to have less of a stake - conservative Christians have been drawn in for a variety of reasons, both biblical and practical.
Not all of us believe the same thing, of course. Many believe that God has given much of what we call the Holy Land to Israel. Genesis 12:1-3 makes a promise of land to the seed of Abraham that became the Jewish people. In addition, God promised in the same passage that those who blessed Israel would be blessed and those who cursed Israel would be cursed.
This promise is reaffirmed many times throughout the Bible and in the New Testament (Romans 11; Acts 3:18-22). God's commitment to Israel means that the Jewish nation has a God-given right to the land.
The Bible predicted that one day, the nation of Israel would be reestablished in the land. When Israel declared independence in 1948, many interpreted the event to mean the beginning of the "last days" prophecy, even though many of those same Christians believe that the bulk of biblical prophecy will not be fulfilled until all or most Jews accept Jesus as the messiah.
The logic goes that if God has given the land to Israel, then asking Israel to give away that land for peace is going against the Bible. Hence, these believers oppose any effort to give land to the Palestinians.
Other Christians believe that just before the "last days" there will be a treaty that will give Israel peace for a time - but that the pact will ultimately break down and set off catastrophe in the Middle East. For these believers it is not a matter of if there is a peace treaty but when.
Some believe that if the "road map" peace plan which is currently being discussed is in fact the treaty mentioned in Daniel 9:27, then there will be peace for 3 1/2 years before there is a major war - Armageddon - for another 3 1/2 years.
This prophecy is known as Daniel's 70 weeks, wherein each week equals seven years, and we are in Daniel's last week. These conservatives are not necessarily for or against the "road map"; they simply believe that if this is the biblically predicted treaty, then it will not bring a permanent peace to the region.
Still others believe that Israel has the right to the land, but that it also has a responsibility to treat the foreigner with justice (Exodus 23:9). They also consider it possible that if God has given the land to Israel to secure peace, then Israel has the right to do what it wishes, including negotiate territory in exchange for peace with the Palestinians.
In this case, negotiation is possible but needs to be conducted carefully. Such Christians also believe that one day Israel will make a peace treaty that will not last. The question is whether any treaty Israel makes is that treaty.
Still other conservative Christians do not believe that the state of Israel still has a right to the land because the Jews have not accepted Jesus as the messiah, and hence Israel has forfeited God's promises. For these believers, there is a heavy concern for Palestinians, especially Palestinian Christians, that leaves them more inclined to support the road map.
Finally there are practical concerns by almost all of these groups about whether any agreement can be signed that will truly give Israel peace. When so many radical Muslims believe that mere Jewish presence defiles the Holy Land - and thus Israel as the Jewish state must be removed and the Palestinians liberated - then one wonders whether peace in fact would result. Some of the violence we see now is the result of those who deny Israel's right to exist.
What does this all mean? It means that many Christians are disposed to favor Israel, but for a variety of reasons.
The situation in the Middle East is exceedingly complex, even when it is viewed biblically. In fact, when Jesus made predictions about the end and told believers to keep watch for his return, he stressed that they should not obsess about trying to figure out when the exact time would be because that could not be known. Rather, they should live faithful, Christian lives until he returns. That may be the best advice of all, even while everyone keeps a careful and cautious eye on events in a land that is sacred and so volatile to so many.
Darrell L. Bock is research professor of New Testament studies at the Dallas Theological Seminary and a professor of spiritual development and culture.
Some jwes are against the existing of Jew State, because, they think that, it's the end of all jews.
We should not listen, what ever they beleive.
Hope one day, i will pray in ALQUDS and the whole palastine, will be for palastinian, muslums or cherecians
As new muslim who believes in the only one, think that with this kind of violence, with hipocrecy and preventive war even Jesus would not know when the end of the times are going to happen
But then many support the Jews because they don't know that Jesus said the Jews were no longer the chosen people. That that status would be given to another people. They also don't realize Jesus was tried by the Jews for what they say about him and he refuted what they say.
If one could get then to pay attention to what Jesus said more than what others say about Jesus, things would be a lot better off.
But God's plan will come about as God set it to, not as they wish it to. In some ways that will likely be used to separate the wheat from the chaff.
In the Bible, in the Book of Genesis, in Chapter 17 the verse you refer to says (Gen 17:8) "and I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God." This verse can also be found in the Torah. Here Jehovah is addressing Abraham the Patriarch. Because Jehovah was please with Abraham, He wishes to give the children (seed) of Abraham the Land of Canaan as an everlasting possession. Jews interpret the "seed" to be the Children of Israel. Israel was the second son of Isaac, and Isaac was the second son of Abraham. However, they seem to forget that Abraham had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. They reject Ishmael's claims because he was the son of a slave women, Hagar, whereas Isaac was the son of a free women Sarah. But in the Torah, it is clearly stated that the first born is to receive double the portion of his father's share even if his mother has a lower status. You'll find this in the Book of Deuteronomy 21: 15 to 17. The ironic thing here is that even if we appeal to the Torah, the Jews have no exclusive right to Palestine. The fun of the matter is that Christians of the world, with the exception of the Palestinian Christians have accepted the claims of the Jews even when there own Bible is against it.
This is truly a biased view. Contrary to the above false statement, violence has occured due to the Israelis' total failure to recognise the Palestenians' rights to their own land.
This means bringing about Armageddon. I guess since God is not working fast enough he needs their assistance
To these enlightened Christians who so firmly believe in their truth, I would quote from the Quran the following passage and that just about clinches the debate, but sadly yet no one will believe because the world's eyes and ears have been programmed by Western media to regard Islam as a hostile, demonic and brutal faith when truly just the contrary is true -after all history is just a means to an end; to establish facts or the truth - right ?
Quran Chapter 62 Verse 11:
As Translated by PICKTHAL:
Say (O Muhammad): O ye who are Jews! If ye claim that ye are favoured of Allah apart from (all) mankind, then long for death if ye are truthful.
But they will never long for it because of all that their own hands have sent before, and Allah is Aware of evil-doers.
Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Lo! the death from which ye shrink will surely meet you, and afterward ye will be returned unto the Knower of the Invisible and the Visible, and He will tell you what ye used to do.
it has islamic prediction about the armagadon and the second coming of Jesus (pbuh).
I think it will open your eyes as what exactly take place before armagadon. Even sanctions on iraq were predicted by prophet Mohammed (pbuh) which are just fullfilled. So we also need search for truth before coming to a final decision. So we need to study the islamic predictions which are 100% true.
The most important sign before the second coming of JESUS, is the coming Imam Mahdi (a.s.) a leader of the muslim ummah. Allah know best.
In my opinion, Jews, Christians, and Muslims have ruled the world just too long, and made a big mess of it; actually, they have misruled the world just too damn long.
So, I welcome Armageddon as long as it spares everybody who is not Christian/Jew/Muslim.
Don't you think, others should get an equal chance at MISRULE?.
AS A STUDENT IN THE NATION OF ISLAM, UNDER THE TEACHINGS. OF THE HONORABLE LOUIS FARRKHAN. THE JESUS OF TWO THOUSANDS YEARS AGO, IS NOT COMING BACK. AND THIS IS A KNOWN FACT REAL AND REALITY WE MUST FACE AND UNDERSTAND. HOWEVER, IT WILL BE SOMEONE LIKE JESUS ALIVE TODAY. SPEAKING TO THE MASSES OF THE PEOPLE OF ALLAH(GOD). NOW, CHRISTANITY IS A MADE UP RELIGION, THIS IS A KNOWN FACT. THE WHITEMAN(ENEMY) MADE IT UP FROM DAY ONE TO USE THE NAME TO CONTROL THE WORLD. BUT ALLAH IS THE MIGHTY AND POWERFUL, HE IS IN CONTROL.............
Let us call the current Israel by some other name and avoid the Armaggedon.
Bluntly speaking, these biblical interpretations by some scholars (or they really scholars) has no intellectual basis.
why we Christians have an affinity for Israel -
Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew and we share a
If some Christians are fascinated with the end
of time there is an obvious opportunity to
share the Muslim version. I believe when they
hear that story and how important Jesus
(pbuh) is to Islam they will begin to open up to
the Muslim viewpoint.
I understan that crisis is a very BIG one. Muslims, christins and the jews all have certain relegious ties to the land. For muslims, we have a good example of how to live together with people of other beliefs from prophect Muhammad(PBUH). I don't know how others see it.
We can only bring peace by beign just. Favouring a group of people for certain reasons will never bring about peace in the region,and indeed peace on earth.
For those who are realy working heard so that their gospel's profecies'll be fulfilled, I tell them that no matter how hard they try, they can not draw nearer or push further the end of days. It is a spriritual thing. God created everything at His will and everything will come to an end when He wills. The time is known to Him and Him alone. Each individual will be punished for the bad deeds he does, hoping to hasten the time(the coming of the messiah as some people put it) or as a result of his selfish "oilly" intrests or hoping to fulfill one prophecy.
I conclude that we should all be just in handling these issue.
If there is a true religion, it is one that can reach the heart of anyone of us without human help (e.g. scriptures, clerics, propaganda, promises, threats ...) and doesn't create any separation between beings.
The Two Prophets
Two men walk into the desert, from two different places. They walk for days, alone. They watch the horizon, the sky at night, and find god, each on their own.
One of them decides to establish a cult for remembering that magic moment. He writes extensively and imposes himself a strict code of conduct for maintaining the strength of his faith. The other just keeps watching the horizon and the sky, hoping he will find god again. And, indeed, from time to time, he comes very close to that feeling of knowing god.
Then they met, somewhere in the desert. The first one says he found god. The other says he found him too. The first one shows his writings, explains his code of conduct, tell this was what god inspired him, dictated him to do, in order to stay with him. The other one is confused. Why didn't god talk to him like that too? Why didn't he give him such a system, such good rules, such wise laws? After long talks, he will accept the superiority of the first man, and become his follower.
But who, of the two, actually had the best approach of god?
And what will happen if, in some other desert, some other man finds god too, and decides too to establish a cult for remembering that magic moment ... and makes followers, and then meets the first man? They will argue. Endlessly.
So many people believes that there will be a peace in the Middle East and the conflict of Palestine/Israel will be resolved before his appearance and War of Armegaddon.Also there are beliefs that an Arab King will expire before his appearance.But again God knows better any incomming event and the future of the World.