The lines have already been drawn: Jews and Christians are on one side and Muslims on the other.
The final verdict has already been given: Jesus offered a model of peace and love, so did Moses but Muhammad offered a model of violence. He was a terrorist. The truth has already been spoken: Muhammad does not represent Islam.
The final prophecy has already been revealed: the Major battles will come, blood will be up to the backs of horses (or tanks) and two-thirds of the Jews will be killed, while the remaining third will convert to Christianity.
And the pledge of allegiance has been changed: every time the President of the United States shows the earliest indication of holding off his support to the state of Israel, he will be subject to pressure by over seventy-million of the Christian right. Ariel Sharon should rest assured that Mr. Bush will always do the right thing. There is nothing called Palestine. Palestinians should go to some other country.
These are some of the points propagated by Jerry Falwell that Mr. Bob Simon of CBS astutely exposed on the 60 minutes show on October 6, 2002. Ironically, on the same show came Mr. Abraham Foxman, President of the Anti Defamation League, a prestigious Jewish organization, to lend the support of his community to the Christian right as well as to celebrate the support Israel is getting from extremist right wing groups, in spite of their leaders; impossible to swallow anti-Semitic overtones.
I don't think that these points warrant analysis as they speak for themselves. Bigotry does not need to be analyzed; it only needs to be exposed. There are several issues however, that deserve public awareness and debate.
What was said by Jerry Falwell raises questions about the level of discourse in America. Since the sixties, we the people succeeded in setting a national standard for expressing our views. We don't speak anti-Semitism in public, we are careful about racial, ethnic and religious jokes and we show sensitivity to what is sacred and important to others.
We don't feel that politeness in public discourse contradicts freedom of speech. As a matter of fact, it makes our rhetoric more mature and productive. To break this pattern with Muslims, especially with false statements is not only to hurt Muslims and the figures they hold in the highest esteem but also to damage the standard set for our national social discourse.
The Bin Ladenization of the discourse is another important issue we need to be aware of. The nadir of terrifying statements were exemplified by the following: Islam is an evil religion as was said by several ministers in the Southern Baptist conference recently; Mohammed is a terrorist as claimed by Jerry Falwell and Jews have to convert to Christianity as was exhorted by the founder of the moral majority. These statements clearly indicate the low nature of discourse that many of the clergy is engaged in.
This logic has led them to assert that we are good and they are evil. Good should prevail and evil ought to vanish. If we allow this logic to be widely projected, accepted and sometimes sanctioned and adopted by the national leadership, we are in fact putting a nail in the coffin of our democracy.
Ironically this logic has become prevalent after 9/11. This is no less than cruelty that is incompatible with faith in God. It is awfully cruel to exploit the pain and anxiety of our traumatized nation, to further a political agenda or to achieve power.
We must ask the question: Where does the Bush administration stand on the issue of these issues? Mr. Falwell has made it clear that he has enough clout to pressure the President on his administration's policies towards Israel. In a democracy this may be understandable. However, we elect our President to represent all Americans, neither the most vocal nor the most organized.
When the issue crosses the line from free speech to hate speech, our President should freely speak against hate, because the alternative will ultimately lead to discord at a time when we need to galvanize the nation in solidarity to deal with the eminent challenges we face in the post 9/11.
The silence of the Administration should not prevent people of faith from speaking up their conscious and their mind. They don't have to denounce or condemn people, but they must speak up. They may support, oppose, or analyze, but they should not refrain from saying what they consider the truth. There is a saying in Islam: The one who is silent when truth ought to be spoken is like a mute devil.
Dr. Maher Hathout is the Senior Advisor of the Muslim Public Affairs Council and the spokesperson of the Islamic Center of Southern California
This is the peril of blind belief, that one does not see the distortions that crept in the scriptures over the time. I myself did not believe in exclusiveness of Salvation belonging to a particular religion. What about ignorant Pigmies in Africa, who never heard of Jesus, or Muhammad or Buddha?. I tried to search for answer in Qur'an and sayings of Prophet Muhammad and I found Answer at many places. Readers may search these themselves,(can't quote,spaces limitation), one being the reference to Salvaltion to particular type of people belonging to Jews, Christians etc. One of the answers is that "This (Quran) is the STRAIGHT way". Notice that it does not say "THE ONLY way". There may be ways with detours, that may or may not lead to the Goal, or the ways that had been tampered, like Bible which has different versions for different Sects. Notice not even single word of Quran has changed, despite there being Sects like Shias, Qadiyanis etc). So which scripture should one follow(If one really wants to follow): those which had discrepancies creeping in over time or the one that remains unchanged over time, full of wisdom. But this wisdom will be grasped only by those who are ready to shed preconceived notions. IT REQUIRES PARADIGM SHIFT. LIKE IN COMPUTER PROGRAMMING, To learn object oriented programming one has to unlearn procedural programming(shift paradigm) before one can understand Object Programmin.
Manjit Singh is another comedian, the type who can really bring the house down at an RSS rally. Manjit you really shouldnt cloak yourself as some sort of intellectual....because at your finest you're just another weak minded anti-Muslim polemecist of Indian variety.
Manjit you wouldnt go to Hajj even for free so dont dwell on why cant go to one. You know full well you really dont any real issues to discuss...besides anti-Islamic demogogery displaced Hindu fanatics and their Sikh allies. You must be pretty damn desperate when you're down to supporting Jewish terrorism for mutual benefit.
Pakistan and Israel I do believe are same issue?
I will put my general email her for you:
I would wish to continue our correspondence if you so desire.
I wish to have an intelligent debate not be involved in hate filled correspondence.
"I believe that people who either commit or propagate crimes of hate are the real evil -- be it be it a bin Laden or a Jerry Falwell."
Maybe. Except that Falwell hasn't ordered thousands of people put to death. Bin Laden has.
I dunno. On this site, I see a lot of outrage about how Islam is viewed in America, but no outrage over planes being flown into buildings in the name of Allah; I see outrage over how Palestinian refugees are treated but not over how Israeli women and children are blown up every few days in the name of Allah; I see outrage over how Christians have treated Muslims but not over Mohammed's butchering of Jews in Yemen.
You are correct that professing Christians should not kill Muslims. But the stereotypical view of Islam will not change in America until Muslims in America begin to criticize the violent element within Islam -- including Mohammed himself. Until that happens, your silence sounds pretty much like tacit consent.
You say that you don't approve of violence. Great. What's your view of Palestinian "homicide bombers"? What's your view of Osama bin Laden? What's your view of Saddam Hussein?
Mr Grendizer I am a Sikh not a Hindu-the question to belong to RSS will never arise.
If you cannot accept political reality than the problem is yours not rest of the world. Israel is a political reality, like Pakistan if you accept Pakistan you will have to accept Israel.
As to Emilio Kashmir has belonged to Hindus for thousands of years. It is muslims occupying kashmir (they are all hindus who because of the fear of sword became Muslims about 800 years ago). The west (America and Britain whom you hate so much) divided India as they divided you. So you cannot support west division of India and not west division of Arabs. You use the west to divide places like India, Serbia, Russia, China etc but when they do the same to you - you start killing woman and children in the name of Allah. All that the so called Allahs warriors are doing is killing woman and children. Please correct your own house first because that is were the problem is? Remember why empire got defeated? Arrogance.
That is why Islamic terrorrism will be beaten this time as well. Arrogance of suedo 8th century superiority that can at best kill women and children.
INSHALLAH Allah (SWT) will fix everyhting....AMEEN
Shaa'ban Raat Mubarakh
Muslim cannot attack women, children and old human. Muslim must protect these people. Muslim must not behave like Jews today, who even kill children.
The problem is: Muslim did not follow Islam and the guide given by the Quran. Muslims reject modern knowledge ie science and technology as secular. Where as Quran contained quantum physics, medicine and others. Now muslims are weak as a result of their own blunders. Today in dogs eat dogs world they desperately fight for their survival. Everybody bully them for they are weak. In Palestine, Bosnia, Russia, India, China, even in Muluku everywhere they were being bullied and humiliated. No other choice, muslims must return to Islam. Islam will give them strength to achieve balance of power to continue their existance and of course with Allah SWT permission. Insyallah.
2) Both Pakistan and Israel area result of colonial political mechanisms. They are a political reality irrespective of what the religion says.
3) Lack of numbers does not make somethjing wrong or right.
I am not pro and anti Israel but at sometime in political life like India accepted partition so will the Arab world have to accept it (in case of Israel). The key issue is having peace and moving forward for the develpopment of Plaestinian people. I veryy little knowledge of their suffering throuhg the Palestinians who were Government India Scholrships in my college. I wish they can have a normal life by making a poitical compromise like India made incase of pakistan.
Yes US and UK created Israel in Palestine. SO WHAT? US and UK created Pakistan in India.
ON THE SAME LOGIC WHY ARE ISRAEL BASHERS NOT ASKING FOR RETURN OF PAKISTAN TO INDIA?
Just have to lend a quote ragarding this; "AND IN LIKE MANNER HAVE WE MADE FOR EVERY PROPHET AN ENEMY, EVIL ONES FROM AMONG MEN AND JINN. THEY SUGGEST ONE TO ANOTHER GILDED SPEECH IN ORDER TO DECEIVE - AND IF THY LORD HAD enforced HIS WILL, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE DONE IT; SO LEAVE THEM ALONE WITH THAT WHICH THEY FABRICATE -" Qu'ran (6:113)
Muslims have repeatedly condemned the events of 9/11....but for these frothing proponents of empire that is not enough. I wonder how much condemnation is in order when one is being illegally detained, physically assaulted (ask a hijabi) and subject to daily doses of anti-semetic vitriol from the mainstream media.
People around the world dont hate Americans because they love mom and apple pie, democracy and human rights, they couldnt care less whether Joe Sixpack downs a Coors or a Heinken.
People around the world are sick and tired of American policies which have brought death and misery to millions. What Americans need to do is join the ranks of those brave men and woman who march for global justice and raise their voices in protest, instead of basking in irrational jingoism and denying the blood on their governments hands.
Its as simple as that.
Of course - that's CRAZY. We must all CONDEMN both bigotry and terrorism that is the result of extreme interpretation of our faiths.
The question about Mohammed still echoes here - would HE condemn or approve of terrorism in the name of Islam?
When will we(the Muslims) wake up from our slumber. The Arabs from whom the greatest of creation, Muhammad (SAW) came out, are those that are selling the Muslims to the West. You only need to watch Saudi Channels 1 and 2, LBC, Syrian TV etc and see how Westernised they have become. Look at Turkey, they have finished all preparations to joining the groups of the lost ones. And we say people like Falwell and Co would not come out to say what they like, seeing how much they have achieved in turning the Muslims to adapt to their ways. Inna Lillah wa inna-Ilaihi rajiun.. The truth is bitter, but clearly we can see that the present day Muslim is doomed. But there is still some chance; RETURN TO ALLAH, compeletely. This is a message to all Muslims before it is too late.
Do not spend your energy quarreling with a fool (J Falwell). In the thousands of years of western civilization, one thing has remained constant, the desire of the mushrikeen to control the resources of the world. Western religion has always been used as a device or tactic in the West imperialist enterprises (From the Crusades, Spanish Conquest, African Slavery, British Empire, and the North and South American and Indian situations). Even today, that are richly funded whose sole purpose is to undermine majority Islamic states no matter how corrupt and ruthless the alternatives might be. The fact of the matter is that many people like J Falweel obviously do not acknowledge the humanity of anyone who is not like them. A non-Christian suffering in Baghdad, Palestine, Afghanistan is not worth the same in their eyes. If they were then they would reject the murderous habit of Sharon and Saddam H when he was killing thousand of Muslims in the war against Iran. Instead, these people were the best of friends Geo Bush and Geo W during these times. I don't believe that American people are inherently evil, but much the Germany during the times of the Nazis, American soldiers during Vietnam, the killers in the Rwanda genocide, otherwise good people can be swayed to do unspeakable things for job or a since of perceived dignity that they may never had before. The one thing that can defeat western imperialism is Islam. And that's what puts Islam at odds with the west. Falwell does not want to call a Palestinian brother (Christian or Muslim), nor does Sharon. Their ill-founded sense of superiority with money and military might may seem to give them strength, but it eventually also be cause of their demise unless they turn to Islam.
Why is it that anyone, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Atheist, Budhist etc. can visit and tour the Holy City of Rome and the Vatican just by buying a ticket and reserving a hotel, but I a Roman Catholic and one who the Koran describes as an infidel, cannot visit, let alone roam free in Mecca and Medina?
It is difficult for me to beleive that Islam,as a religion, will ever be able to achieve parity with the religions of the West, if this situation can not be addressed.
What is at least implied (if not adamently asserted) by this situation is that, unless one converts to Islam, they will never be worthy of being permitted to gain access to its Holiest Cities.
There is no other major religion that has this sort of idiosyncracy.
It connotes (and consigns)permanent second class citizenry for all non-believers and asserts an arrogant, exclusive possession of the truth.
How does the leadership of Islam justify this?
The West had only little trouble between Greece and Turkey.
At last i wanna say to all a part of Jawid Shahna, India, his words. "Read the Quran and the biography of Muhammad."
But also read the Liturature of the "other" side. Then I hope ALL Humans will understand that in point of evolution
we as Humans are growing towards a better place for all!
And Grendizer... each civilization has learned of the Civilization that was before them.
And most were killing their teachers!! Democraty from the Greece to the Romans for instans.
And yes u can choose if u like...for peace and the wellfare of all Humans.
We Humans came this fare and we are nearly closing in to provide all people their Basic needs.
I hope that Mohammad Akmal, USA praying will help.
"I pray to Allah to give them guidance and show them straight path.
Some of them are too arrogant and even have forgotten that there is a God."
Instaed of Grendizer, UK his words.
"You claim Saddam models himself after the Prophet....my question what have you been smoking ?
Its painfully obvious you have a 3rd graders perspective on all of this.
In short kids, keep your fake sincerity to your selves.
Stick to your routine of being semi-literate capacuino-sipping yuppies who want cheap oil for their SUVs.
What a bunch of hypocrites!"
Grendizer why so agressive towards Chris. Why are you revering to smoking?
Dont u dear just to say to Chris that he should eveluate his words after reading the Quran.
We all can read and read between the lines. I would say, u show no respect for other peoples thoughts.
Are we kids...is DR. Maher Hathout a kid? And whats ur perspective then? Your words only provoke.
Because there are enough literate non sipping capacuino Humans who understand the oil industrie and their goals.
just read the words i wrote in the first paragragh.
To Omar, UK i wanna ask why he puts the 'West' next to the US.
If u had read the books that talk about the last 60 years historie u would have known that
the US and Saoudi Arabia putted in the regimes. Read the books that goes about the CIA and the FBI and
take a look at documentries that tells u what happend during wars and oil wells.
A lot of European Humans understand that the US starts wars or CIA infiltration in Countries that have oil for the US his home market.
But the 'West' didn't start any war because of oil. The 'Old West' started wars because of land and religion.
In the last 60 years the West didnt had a
As Human to Human i want to respond on this articel and the reactions of some people.
I think the article Lines Drawn! 10/16/2002 - Political Social - Article Ref: IV0210-1762
By: Dr. Maher Hathout is correct. Correct in the definition of the Bush administration.
You can make propoganda and break it. The problem is mostly that the breaking is afterwerts.
But what breaks propaganda? yes, right...Humans! as we are agressive we also have a mind.
In the last ten years i have seen more and more documentries of Amaricans that show howe wrong
their government was during the last 60 years. The wars that Amaricans fought during those years were all
because of the propaganda that the government spread to their own people. As soon as the people knew the truth they ended the wars.
In Vietnam it were Veterans of this war that stopped their government from going on with this war.
They told their famalies what happend really in those countries.
The amarican people stood up against their government and Kissinger had to stop his campaign.
I beleive that the Lines are not yet drawn. There are some pieces of the puzzle missing.
And when a Dr. like DR. Maher Hathout spread the word that the Lines are drawn, he is also then using a form of propaganda.
From the Islamic point of few i would get the idea that there are 2 sides and that u as Human have to choose.
Well i think thats just the whole point. If u choose u have to fight. Why? You have choosen.
In a world that is so "black and white" thinking your choice has that effect.
And you contribute to the first part of Dr. Maher Hathout articel.
But when u look at it from a Human side, wich we are all...i dont see the point of choosing sides.
As Humans in all religions we all wanna grow in spiritual metter.
And we wanna grow as Humans to give our childeren a better future.
And yes u can choose if u like...for peace and the wellfare of all Humans.
see Part 2
due to America. People in Middle East, Africa, Latina America, India and China all says it's because of America only their life become hell. This absurd thinking should change first all. Unless the people in these countries are not helping themeselves,there life is not going to change. America might be doing something wrong, but people can easily defend it by changing their attitude. Stop putting all the blame on America.
Don't get me wrong, the whole Middle East is full of dictators (inc. Israel's 'democracy' which is founded on the basis that there must always be more Jews than non-Jews in their country) who should be deposed.
The US (and the 'West' in general) should not forget who keeps these regimes in power, and who started them (US & Britain in most cases).
If you meddle in other people's countries, they'll meddle in yours at some point.
Islam and Christianity, Judaisim is well discussed in Islamic books. How does Islam treat major Indian religions like Hinduism,Buddhists, Sikhs and Jains? Quran is silent on prophets of these religions. Sikhs I can understand as Sikhism is only 700 years old. Hindus, Buddhist and Jains go back 2500 to >5000 years old and ancient Hindus even 100,000 years back. Why is Quran silent on these faiths?
Marc, your silly rant proves not only how poorly informed you are, but also how primitive and ficticious your state of mind is. Muslims couldnt care less about your "culture" or atleast whatever table scrappings are left to consume whenever the next Star Wars flick comes out. Your ancestors were picking their rear ends when Islamic civilization was at its height. Not only that, Europeans learnt from the Muslims, a fact they routinely deny and minimize to this day. Europeans responded by invading their countries and killing their teachers....talk about ingratitude.
What do Islamic charities do ? Well, they sure dont brag about feeding the poor, they dont pocket funds from gullible senior citizens thru lavish telethons.
Chris oh chris, you seem confused, or rather trying to turn this into yet another lame excuse for invading Iraq. Arabs stealing oil ? How does that work ? Oil within their countries doesnt belong to them ? Those corrupt despots in the Arab world were installed and are still in power thanks to your governments interference. You claim Saddam models himself after the Prophet....my question what have you been smoking ? Its painfully obvious you have a 3rd graders perspective on all of this.
In short kids, keep your fake sincerity to your selves. Stick to your routine of being semi-literate capacuino-sipping yuppies who want cheap oil for their SUVs. What a bunch of hypocrites!
What did the Christians and the Jews think
when they started developing all kind of
weapon of mass destruction together since 60 years ago, and at the same time forbid any Muslim state from having this.. just wait and see they will use the Hindus to destroy Pakistans capability in this WMD.
Modern time crusade is around the corner ?
Take a good look in the mirror. It is the Christian faithful that feed the hungry, shelter the poor and heal the sick, no matter how imperfect we are. What has ISLAM done?
I find some tenets of Islam to be highly aggressive and offensive, yes, but I also know personally lots of good-hearted, worthy, loving, non-violent Muslim people who have focused on the more positive and peaceful parts of Islam and are no different in their actions from the finest Christians that I know.
And that business about "the lines being drawn..." That sounds positively fatalist and unChristian to me. But then I always did think that Falwell was a religious extremist goof, and, believe me, everyone I know agrees with me.
I don't know who Falwell's constituency is, but its probably the sort who wear big hair and follow the sleazy talk-show cicuit. They're actually something of rarity, but in a nation of a quarter to a third of a billion, there still plenty of'm around.
Still--as bad as Falwell may be, you guys have a guy who claims to pattern himself after Muhammad. Saddam Hussein is a genuine homocidal freak next to whom Falwell is just a clown. So, have a good laugh at Falwell while you can, because if the U.S. doesn't take Saddam out fairly soon, Saddam's going to be taking a lot of you out of circulation, not just us.
It is very ironic that a nation which started more than 200 years ago to become a beacon of light and a city on the hill for the whole world is advancing rapidly towards moral bankruptcy at the dawn of the 21st century to fulfill the Zionist agenda.
I pray to Allah to give them guidance and show them straight path. Some of them are too arrogant and even have forgotten that there is a God.
This is clearly stated in the Holy Quran that Jews and Christians will never be the friends of Muslims, not until the Muslims stop following their true faith. The "civilized' world is not so civilized when it comes to protecting the holiest of personalities in Islam. How can anyone forget Salman Rushdie and how the whole western world stood behind his most horrible depiction of our Prophet.
Also it is clearly stated in the Holy Quran that Allah has not sent but one prophet who has been ridiculed by the non-believers. It is there utter dismay against the true faith that in desperation they lash out with statements like Mr. Falwell.
In the end, I can assure all christians and jews that never in a thousand years will they find a single Muslim speak a single word of disrespect against Jesus and Moses, because we believe that they are one of the most prestigious prophets of Islam. Mother of Jesus, Mary has been given the title of Best woman in universe in the Holy Quran, and it is our faith to respect her too. We name our children after all these Holy personalities, so the least christians and jews can do is stop people such Mr. Falwell from disrespecting our Prophet.
I address my comments primarily to the Muslims and pray that you will read and understand.
I must say that as Muslims we have none to blame but ourselves for all of the misrepresentations of Islam. I relate to you a story told to me. There was a Muslim speaking to a group of people explaining the beauty of Islam. It's message of peace, tolerance and equality. A message that the measure of man is how well he behaves. He went on to speak of the manner of the Prophet and his kindness to men, women and animals. After his talk he was approached my a man from the audience who said "I like all that you say and if you can tell me one place in the world where Muslims exhibit these principles and have such character and I will become a Muslim today". The cleric began to cry and said" I CANNOT!!! all I can do is set a good example to the rest of the Muslims". I have said it a number of times the biggest enemy to Islam is the Muslims and until we start as a body to behave as Muslims and not "act" as Muslims the world will have the wrong opinion of us. To my non-Muslim friends please remember and understand that a lot of what you see Muslims doing has no place in Islam and wouldn't be tolerated by our beloved Prophet. And to my Muslims brothers and sisters I say Acquire true faith and live as we are supposed to all the world knows about Islam is what we show them. Let "La Illaha IllAllah" take root in your hearts for what is in the heart comes out through the hands. Until our behavior changes we can only expect more of the same. Look at how the Prophet treated the Jews and Christians and see that even though they did not all convert they all respected him so much that they asked him to be judge in their disputes. "Allah the Dignified has no mercy for one who has no mercy for others", "O Abu Zarr when you prepare soup put a little more water in it and see if your neighbor needs some." "Allah is Kind and likes kindness in all things
As Salammu Aliakum
Mohammed spoke of a brotherhood of people. That is the ideal and, as a (for the moment) non-Muslum I recognize that His message is of peace, no matter what lies may be spread about Him and His teachings. Please do not listen to people like Falwell... trust that there are sensible Americans who can reason and recognize his foolishness. Trust that there are Americans who respect Moslems living here and abroad and who do not desire war and who do work for peace in the entire world. We truely are all brothers in this world.
The largest worldwide Christian church, the Roman
Catholics, have included a statement about Islam in their
official statement of faith - the Catechism.
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan
of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the
Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the
Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and
together with us they adore the one, merciful God,
mankind's judge on the last day."
Note that it places Islam first and above Judiasm,
rebutting the author's conclusion.
The only "line drawn" is between those who try follow God
and those who use God as an excuse to further their
financial and political agendas.
Lots of americans have a misconception of what Islam is.
I don't believe Mohammad was a terrorist for doing what God commanded him to do, in fact then all Christian leaders are terrorists for attacking latin america way back when and for attacking the hearts of their followers with hateful words.
I am saddened and disgusted by this article. :(
It really tells the truth about the Christian rights evil thinking and hatred.
So if I may add, We literally have Jews, Hindus and Christians ( in that order) on one side and Muslims on the other with Buddhists and Communists standing by as audiences in this exciting Clash waiting to jump in during the Denouement