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    Posted: 04 July 2007 at 6:10pm

Salamah bin Nufail said: While I was sitting with Rasulullah a man cam to him and said, "O Messenger of Allah Horses are being humiliated (ignored), and weapons are being laid down and people are claiming there is no more Jihad and war has ended" Rasulullah said: "They are lying! Fighting has just begun! Fighting has just begun! And a party of Ummah will remain fighting on the true path and Allah will deviate the hearts of some men and Allah will provide the fighters from them until the final hour starts and the promise of Allah is fulfilled and good is on the forheads of horses until the day of Judgement. It is being revealed to me that I will be departing you soon and you would follow me while you are fighting each other and the house of the believers is in al-Shaam."

In the commentary on Al Nasa'i by al Sindi, he states that:

"'Humiliating horses" means ignoring them and belittling their importance or not using them for combat. "Now fighting has started now fighting has started" the repetition is to reveal the importance of the message and it means that fighting is only increasing and that Allah has just prescribed it so how can it so soon? Or it means that the real fighting has just begun because so far they have been fighting only within their territory, the land of the Arabs, but now is time for them to carry the battle to further lands. "Allah will deviate the hearts of some" it means Allah will always provide this party to believers with men to fight even if it means deviating their hearts from Iman to Kufr. That is to bless these believers by providing them with the honor of fighting in his sake and the ultimate pleasure of pleasing Allah. "Good is on the foreheads of horses" means reward and booty, or honor and pride. "The House of the believer is al Shamm" that is referring to the end of time. It will be the stong hold of Islam and the land of Jihad."

"If the enemy enters the Muslim land, or even approaches it and masses on its borders, even if they do not actually enter it, and there armies are double the size of that of the Muslims or less, then Jihad becomes mandatory on each and every individual. Then, the slave leaves without the permission of the master, the woman without the permission of her husband (if she has the strength to fight according to the stronger opinion), the son without the permission of the parents, and the one indebt without the permission of the lender." (Imam Malik, Ahmad, and Abu Hanifah-Mashari Al-Ashwaq ila Masari al-Ushaaq)

Abu Hurariah narrated: The Messenger of Allah said "The trials and tribulations are on there way. Trials like pieces of a dark night. The safest from them would be a man living on the peaks of mountains, living off his flock of sheep, or a man mounting his horse living of his sword."

"Jihad with the sword is valid but it has many conditions that there should be some one to lead the Jihad." This is the only issue is we need a Amir but this is not an excuse or something that should stop you from fighting Jihad for the sake of Allah because Jihad will continue until the day of judgement

http://www.abdurrahman.org/jihad/ThawaabitaladarbalJihad.pdf
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 Jihad with the sword is valid but it has many conditions that there should be some one to lead the Jihad. Also, some one should have attacked the practicing Muslims who were enjoining prayers and Zakat and Hajj etc. Not to fight just against the occupiers of land. That is not Jihad. Is there any place in the world where the practicing Muslims attacked. Do not name Afghanistan etc. please. That is a very involved and controversial matter.

 

If you go fighting and occupy the others land, that will not be Jihad at all. Please try to see the situation now that people of all nationalities are living in all countries. Whom you will fight and why?? Just answer me and name the countries and the real reason.

If Jihad is valid now then it was valid 500 years before also. Why the Muslims of that time were sleeping and did not build consensus and technology and weapons. Why their rulers were enjoying with lady singers and dancers. Where were the supporters of Jihad at that time. Why they did not carry out the Jihad against their own bad leaders???

 Now it is too  late. If Muslim people are suffering in some countires then that is also because they did not listen to their own men of advice and misbehaved with super leaders. My friend, your enemies are now sitting within you. Can you go out and fight the outside enemy???

 Just forget about the type of Jihad that was done by the people in Afghanistan and Iran. Try to preach something. That would be better. Follow the good way yourself and lead others towards goodness. Clean your own home. The prophet s.a.w.s. had informed all about such bad times of the Ummah. Have you read anything about that ???
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The Hadith is truly weak if not false as stated brother face the facts i have also read this in other places as well like in the short book "The Reality of Sufism in light of Qur'an and Sunnah" By Muhammad al-Madhkhalee where he states this about sufis "Likewise they have removed the spirit of jihad, which is to fight in the way of Allah, with what they claim to be the greater jihaad, i.e. striving against ones own soul (Jihaadun-nafs). They base this upon the saying: "We have returned from the lesser Jihaad to the greater jihaad: striving against ones own soul." Whereas this is a baseless hadeeth and has provided the opporunity in the previous two centuries for colonialist powers to occupy most of the Muslim lands," but let us look at another hadith

Salamah bin Nufail said: While I was sitting with Rasulullah a man came to him and said, "O Messenger of Allah Horses are being discarded and weapons are been laid down and some are claiming that there is no more fighting" Rasulullah said, "They are lying! Fighting has just begun! And a party of my Ummah will fight for the sake of Allah, and those who oppose them will not harm them. Allah will deviate the hearts of some men to provide for that party from them by fighting them. And they will continue fighting until the final hour starts (the Day of Judgment) and good will remain on the foreheads of horses until the day of Judgment and war will not end until Yagog and Magog come out." (Narrated by al Tabarani in Al Mujam al Kabir)

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 43:

Narrated 'Aisha:

(That she said), "O Allah's Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed. Should we not fight in Allah's Cause?" He said, "The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj-Mabrur (i.e. Hajj which is done according to the Prophet's tradition and is accepted by Allah)."

we also see here that Jihad is a deed that women cant perform so how could it be anything other than fighting

"I personally believe that Jihad with the sword is not valid in these times." When is the time brother please tell me if its not know then when? statments like these are the reason Muslim Brothers and sisters are suffering, is Jihad a thing of the past?

Nabi Muhammad(saw) said: 'when you deal with interest, and hold fast to the tail of the cow, and become contented with agriculture, and you leave Jihad in the Way of Allaah, Allaah will permit your humiliation and will not lift it from you until you return to your deen.'

"Also remember that Allah does not change the state of a people unless they change themselves. A change at the heart is first required." Prophet Muhammed said:"Whosoever of you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart; and that is the weakest of faith."

"I personally believe that Jihad with the sword is not valid in these times."

Zayd Ibn Aslam, from his father, that the messanger of Allah (sallallahu alayhe wassallam) said: Jihad will remain fresh and green as long as raindrops fall from the sky. and there will come upon the people a time when Qur'an reciters from among them will say: "This is not the time of Jihad." So whoever comes to that time, then it is the best time for jihad." They said: "O Messenger of Allah, would someone really say that?" He said: "Yes, the one whom Allah has cursed and the angels and all of mankind."


 



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 AA501, you have read some replies. Perhaps you are not satisfied. Please do not listen to any one who is out to nullify any Hadith on the basis of weak link. There are two ways of testing any Hadith. One is the Rawaait (The chain of narrations) and the other is the Darait (The authenticity, the material, the information in that Hadith). Here in this case, the specialists are ignoring this all important Hadith on the basis that one link in narration is weak. That is not a good way.

 Many do thattype of thing. Rest assured that Hadith is correct. There is nothing against the meaning of that Hadith in the Quran and Sunnah. So do not reject it.

 Also, do not be upset about political turmoil. Every people and country have their leaders. They follow them and sometime due to wrong policy decisions, they suffer very much and they are attacked too. Muslims are suffering every where, nearly in every country. That is because of too much love of politics. Our religion is not for politics. It is more spiritual.

Of course when people are attacked and driven out of their houses, we feel very sorry for them. But whatcan we do except to pray for their guidance and deliverance. Also remember that Allah does not change the state of a people unless they change themselves. A change at the heart is first required.

Jihad with sword has been misrepresented by many a great Ulema. They even went as far as to prove that Islam was spread by sword. How bad !!! There is no compulsion in religion. No a single person has ver been converted by use of force. When oppressed people were liberated, they of their free will chose to become Muslims. The libertion was also not done illegally. Only when the poor Muslim unarmed preachers were attackd and killed, then notice was given to that government to behave or be ready for war. That was alsoJihad to uphold liberty of faith.

 Jihad with the sword has many conditions. There must be a lawfully established government with Good Muslim leaders working under divine laws in their country and they will then decide whether to go ahead with Jihad against any repressor or not. Have you any such country or Government in mind now??? On the surface of the earth?? Add to that the rampant misbehaviour and sects amongst Muslims and disunity. Then please decide about a Jihad with the sword.

I personally believe that Jihad with the sword is not valid in these times. Any one who will plan a fight for the religion will meet utter defeat. But it is alright for the people to fight for theor country, their homeland. But they should not call it Jihad. Thanks.
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Greater & Lesser Jihad
Compiled by Abu Fadl -- Translated by Br. Khalid Saifullah
The evidence used as proof for establishing that Jihad against the desires and shaitaan is Jihad Akbar are weak and if not false Hadith
A man asked the Prophet(saw): What is Jihad? He(saw) replied: "to fight against the disbelievers when you meet them (on the battlefield)." The Man asked: "What kind of Jihad is the Highest?" He(saw) replied: "The person who is killed whilst spilling the last of his blood"
 
It is not only the disbelievers that the Mujahid must contend against on the battlefield but he must fight against his desires which always call him towards evil
 
It has been said that the opinion of many Muslims regarding Jihad is that it is of two sorts, namely, Jihad Akbar (Greater) and Jihad Ashghar (lesser). Jihad Akbar meaning jihad against the desires and shaitaan whilst Jihad Asghar is against the disbelievers on the battlefield.
 
The reasons given for the above, in regards to Jihad against the desires and Shaitaan as being Jihad Akbar, are as follows:
1. Its field of struggle is unlimited;
2. It is timeless and boundless;
3. This struggle is hard because its essence is man against himself;
4. The enemy is unseen and cannot be detected by the five senses;
 
Whilst the case given for jihad against the disbelievers is not as long, not as extensive and not as difficult as struggling against the desires. As a result of that, Jihad against the disbelievers on the battlefield is regarded as Jihad Asghar (the smaller or lesser Jihad). That therefore is the opinion of many Muslims.
 
The classification of Jihad, such as that given above, is based upon a Hadith which states that at the time Rasulullaah returned home from the fied of warfare he said: "We have returned from Jihad Asghar to Jihad Akbar." some companions asked: "What is Jihad Akbar Rasulullah?" He replied: "Jihad against the desires."
 
That therefore is the proof for the case proposed by many people.
 
Al 'Iraqy in Takhriju AHadithil Ihya' states: "The mentioned Hadith is related by Imam Baihaqi with a da'if Sanad (weak chain of narrators) from Jabir"
 
Apart from the Hadith Related by Imam Baihaqi there is also a Hadith related by Al-Khatib Al-Baghadadi from Jabir, which states: "the prophet(pbuh) at the time he returned from a battle said: "We have all just returned to the best of places, and you have returned from Jihad Asghar (the lesser Jihad) to strive in Jihad Akbar (the greater Jihad)" The companions asked: 'What is Jihad Akbar Rasulullah?' He answered: "The Jihad of someone against his desires."
 
It turns out that this Hadith is weak because within its Sanad there is a narrator by the name of Khalaf bin Muhammad bin Ismail al Khiyam who according to Al-Hakim: "His Hadiths are unreliable." and Abu Ya'al al Khalil says: He often adulterates, is very weak and narrates unknown Hadith."
 
Al-Hakim and Ibnu Abi Zur'ah state: "We often write statements from Khalaf bin Muhammab bin Ismail only as an example, and we remove ourselves of responsibility from him."
And even more doubtful than that, there is within the Sanad of this Hadith a narrator by the name of Yahya bin Al Ula Al Bajili who according to Imam Ahmad is a known Kadhadhaab-liar-, a forger of Hadith. Also. Amru bin Ali, An Nasai and Daruqutni state: "His Hadith are renounced." Ibnu Adi states: "His Hadith are false."
 
Ibn Taimiyyah states: "There is a Hadith related by a group of people which states that the Prophet(saw) said after the battle of Tabuk: 'We have returned from Jihad Asghar to Jihad Akbar'. This Hadith has no source, nobody whomsoever in the field of Islamic knowledge has narrated it. Jihad against the disbelievers is the most noble of actions, and moreover it is the most important action for the sake of mankind."
 
On the basis of the above statements we can conclude by saying that the evidence used as proof or the basis for establishing that Jihad against the disbelievers on the battlefied is Jihad Asghar and Jihad against the desires and Shaitaan is Jihad Akbar, are weak if not false Hadith.
 
For where this information came from refer to the book of Jihad by Ibn-Nuhaas


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ummm no disrespect to any of you but if you wanna talk about H.I.V. an other diseases please start a new thread. or stick to the subject/questions already brought up.

"You're a new convert and from your words you lack true understanding of Jihad. I've been a Muslim for years and have studied some Islamic law. You're focusing on a minute aspect of Jihad and making it the greater thing. You really have no understanding of Jihad."

Please enlighten me with your knowledge on Jihad if what you say is truthful?(But I want it all backed by Qur'an and Sunnah)

do you wanna be apart of one-third of the army that will flee from the battlefield or do you wanna be apart of the two-third who will stay and fight?

If you dont know your enemy and study your enemy how will you be able to defend yourself and your beliefs in the time of war or dialogue?

this so called democracy that we live in is a joke i can get into more of my opinions about that but answer me this how does democracy/U.S. system government compare to the Shari'a?

There is no order to fight any one" Maybe not at your Masjid but have we forgotten about our brothers in Chechnya, Nigera, Kashmir, Somalia, Afganistan, Phillipines, Turkey, Kosovo, Iraq, Palestine, etc etc. do we just close our eyes and pretend that nothing is happening to our Brothers and Sisters around the Globe, do we just worry about Muslims in America?

"pick out your coffin especially if you're going up against a NAVY SEAL or British SAS or any other military force." Who exactly are you rooting for?

Israfil do you believe in the Major signs of the Last day? and if so who laid them out Allah's Messanger(saw) or Shaytan's Messanger?
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Originally posted by Maryah Maryah wrote:

As a former Public Health nurse, I believe the last studies showed that HIV was the only incurable sexually transmitted disease...

Incurable STDs, Kaiser Family Foundation.
1. Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
2. Genital Herpes (HSV)
3. Genital Warts or Human Papilloma-virus (HPV)
4. Hepatitis B (HBV)

Then there is a class of "drug-resistant" STDs. Drug-resistant STDs are still considered curable, but can actually not be cured with any known drugs.

Gonorrhea, which is believed to infect more than 700,000 people in the United States each year, can leave both men and women infertile and puts people at higher risk of getting the AIDS virus ... The CDC made the new recommendation after discovering that nearly 7 percent of gonorrhea cases among heterosexual men in a survey of 26 U.S. cities last year were drug-resistant. In 2001, only about 0.6 percent of gonorrhea cases among heterosexual men were drug-resistant. ... "That leaves us with a single class of highly effective antibiotics [cephalosporins]," said Dr. John Douglas Jr., director of the CDC's division of STD prevention. Other experts called the situation perilous. ... "We are running out of options to treat this disease," added Douglas, who said there are "no new drugs for gonorrhea in the drug development pipeline."

It's just a question of time before gonorrhea becomes celophosporin-resistant. Such strain probably exists already.

Predictions for the American:

1. You will outlive your children.
2. You will contract an incurable STD.
3. You will eat only junk food and be obese.
4. You will be falsely accused of child abuse.
5. Your children will be forced or choose to take (meth)amphetamines.
6. You will lose all your hair and teeth by the age of 45.
7. Your wife will cheat on you.
8. You will lose all your savings and your house at the age of 51.
9. You will live on anti-depressants out of your car.
10. Your car will crash into the tree of bu.llsh.it.
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