This is why Palestine will not succeed

Israfil wrote: . What about Africans? What about Sudan? Women being raped everyday. .

 Israfil.

Who said Sudanese women are being raped everyday by Sudan Army? You must check your facts before your claim become another  hearsay.

I have been in Darfur, Khartoum, Port Sudan, Jubba, Malakal, Wad Madani, Kassala, Sinnar, Obied and rest of Sudan for many times. Jewish Media and its American child recipient claims are far from truth. You can say what about Arab media?! They are no better as all their sources are always from Reuters, AFP and AP a Jewish Cooperate media Global Monsters.

What happen there is neither genocide as Bush cried out without shame nor holucust. if there is any it should be on Palestinians. Darfur people was caught between a warring parties: Legitmate governmet forces and outlaws bandit: American/British lackeys who want to destroy the unity of Sudan territorial integrity by voilence means. The result is this 200K etc exodus which west want to manupilate for regime change in Khartoum.

Hope you read world politics with wide open eyes.

Abu Mujahid

 Salaam Alaykum,

I was never under the impression you were are muslim. As you stated I am not even muslim...therefore you understand that because you are not , now you have been revealed a truth from many muslims. that many people of the book or whatever you believe, now may understand. My impression that you were a non muslim was very strong I was just confused why you chose the Avatar of Allah SAW to represent you on this site? Did you think it was pretty? It is. I wear that Allah pendant around my neck everyday..It is the arabic Allah SAW and it is very special to me. I hope you learned about us here. We are not violent, militant. We are just people.

Masalaam

Tara

Duende your position of my views I totally respect.

I guess my problem here are the conveyence of my words. Let me clarify a few things:

I don't support ANY group that condones violence to prove a point

I don't condone ANY group that uses religion w/violence to promote

I do codone defense

I do condone equal rights

I do condone the right to live and to pursue happiness.

Now if an Israeli soldier is bulldozing a Palestinians house that man/woman or whoever has a right to defend their property especially if the reason is not just. Yes that man or woman has a right to do whatever is necessary to defend their home. But I'm areligious in this respect because this right is extended to all human groups. Let me clarify my position with Hamas clearly:

I do not support them NOT because they're Muslim but because they use excessive aggression  in the past to promote their motives.

Just because they were elected "cleaner" than any U.S presidential election does not mean they are more moral than any U.S elected official. There are ways to convince the general public that a group has their best interest. If you have one pissed off group representing a group of pissed off people which is likely majority of the Palestinians then it becomes obvious who is more likely to win. But this does not mean their motives are moral.

So again let's stop this "Oh Israfil is not a muslim because he doesn't support Palestine crap" I'm not saying you said it Duende because you didn't actually you offered a better opinion so far. What I'm saying is I disagree with Hamas and their position and I do not support them. I don't even support Fatah because in the past they have shown to be corrupt themselves. I only support any idealist who wants change through non-violent means this goes both to Israeli or Palestinian. But to question someones faith simply because they differ in their opinion is st**id way of insulting someone. that is like me calling you st**id for not agreeing with Statistical methodology.

Now that I've cleared this up if my faith is continued to be questioned after this then I'll have to question the intelligence level of individuals here because nowhere in what I've said here is criticizing the people. Now I understand some of you equate Hamas with the people now this is a matter of perception I suppose. I don't see a group as a reflection of millions of people because there is always a percentage that disagrees with the majority. In that respect I hold Hamas to represent the majority. Now even if I criticize the majority group does not mean I criticize the people because frankly, the majority party which is Hamas should rightfully represent the people.

So far, the condition of the people has not changed since they have been in power and grant it, the U.S is biased and will not have dialogue with Hamas which is the U.S. fault and Israel's because they should at least try and make an attempt. But the fact of the matter is this whole situation is complex and until someone steps up and becomes the becon of change we will continue to discuss the suffering of people.