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Originally posted by salman_s salman_s wrote:

yes, it is also one of the signs of qiyamah that Allah's wrath comes on the believers (muslims)

indonesia is the largest muslim population in the world. but the muslims there are not practising islam sincerely. they are moving away from islam. and Allah knows best what sins are taking place there. the tsunami is a lesson to all indonesian muslims to fear Allah and follow islam sincerely. nobody is trying there to work on buliding iman (faith in Allah). it is every muslim's responsibilty to work on building his iman. for that you need to organize religious islamic gatherings. we indian muslims are working hard on building our iman masha Allah 

it is high time for the indonesian muslims to get back to islam and fear Allah and follow islam sincerely.

Salman, well you may believe what you wrote above, but study the geology of the earth, please. Not everything pertains to God's wrath, actually I don't believe any natural disasters is from God's wrath myself.

The earth is a violent place, whenever there is stresses and movement of tectonic plates, the earth is going to let go and shift and normally it is in the form of eathquakes.

And volcanos, well similar activities.

What lies underneath the crust is a very active earth  The earth is always evolving and changing. The lands/continents are actually moving.

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Originally posted by salman_s salman_s wrote:

yes, it is also one of the signs of qiyamah that Allah's wrath comes on the believers (muslims)

indonesia is the largest muslim population in the world. but the muslims there are not practising islam sincerely. they are moving away from islam. and Allah knows best what sins are taking place there. the tsunami is a lesson to all indonesian muslims to fear Allah and follow islam sincerely. nobody is trying there to work on buliding iman (faith in Allah). it is every muslim's responsibilty to work on building his iman. for that you need to organize religious islamic gatherings. we indian muslims are working hard on building our iman masha Allah 

it is high time for the indonesian muslims to get back to islam and fear Allah and follow islam sincerely.




instead of bashing Indonesians  what are you doing?
you said : "but the muslims there are not practising islam sincerely"  sounds racist ...you should know Islam forbides any form of racist..

there are already 5500 people dead, most of them are muslims,
do you know? if someone has decreed shahadat, she/he is muslim

do you not shame on your self  and then curse you muslim brothers and sisters as not good muslim ?  you have never been there..you never met them b4..
Only Allah knows who good or who bad..not you...

If you see one indonesian steals something, you can not take conclusion that all indonesians are thieves..that's happened in this case too, bacause you see some Indonesians do not practise Islam very well you blame all indonesians are bad muslims..wow very clever
 


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the victim would increased until 15.000-30.000..because one city Bantul is 85% destroyed by this disaster,....
(bantul is a religious city, this  city  has 700 000 people, the  Islamic parties have 21 of 35 total seats, this city has 8 pesantrens (madrasa with boarding an has toatally students = 40.000, this city is always considered as one of green belts  (strength Islamic area) in centrale java)





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Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Salman, well you may believe what you wrote above, but study the geology of the earth, please. Not everything pertains to God's wrath, actually I don't believe any natural disasters is from God's wrath myself.

The earth is a violent place, whenever there is stresses and movement of tectonic plates, the earth is going to let go and shift and normally it is in the form of eathquakes.

And volcanos, well similar activities.

What lies underneath the crust is a very active earth  The earth is always evolving and changing. The lands/continents are actually moving.

hi angel

who causes stresses and movements of volcanic plates which results in earthquakes? it is Allah (alone) who does that

who causes volacanoes to occur and the earth plates to shift? it is Allah (alone) who does that

Allah has mentioned in the Qur'an that Allah forgives whom he wills and Allah punishes whom he wills.

Allah's punishment has come on the indonesians, and it is high time that indonesian muslims repent to Allah of their past sins and get back to the path of goodness and sincerely practise islam

 

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Originally posted by sayariza sayariza wrote:

Originally posted by salman_s salman_s wrote:

yes, it is also one of the signs of qiyamah that Allah's wrath comes on the believers (muslims)

indonesia is the largest muslim population in the world. but the muslims there are not practising islam sincerely. they are moving away from islam. and Allah knows best what sins are taking place there. the tsunami is a lesson to all indonesian muslims to fear Allah and follow islam sincerely. nobody is trying there to work on buliding iman (faith in Allah). it is every muslim's responsibilty to work on building his iman. for that you need to organize religious islamic gatherings. we indian muslims are working hard on building our iman masha Allah 

it is high time for the indonesian muslims to get back to islam and fear Allah and follow islam sincerely.




instead of bashing Indonesians  what are you doing?
you said : "but the muslims there are not practising islam sincerely"  sounds racist ...you should know Islam forbides any form of racist..

there are already 5500 people dead, most of them are muslims,
do you know? if someone has decreed shahadat, she/he is muslim

do you not shame on your self  and then curse you muslim brothers and sisters as not good muslim ?  you have never been there..you never met them b4..
Only Allah knows who good or who bad..not you...

If you see one indonesian steals something, you can not take conclusion that all indonesians are thieves..that's happened in this case too, bacause you see some Indonesians do not practise Islam very well you blame all indonesians are bad muslims..wow very clever
 

i think you are an indonesian or you have some relatives in indonesia or something�. that is why your resonse is a harsh one.

 

Allah has mentioned in the Qur'an that Allah forgives whom he wills and Allah punishes whom he wills.

Allah's punishment has come on the indonesians, and it is high time that indonesian muslims repent to Allah of their past sins and get back to the path of goodness and sincerely practise islam

 

 

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The Earthquakes

Shaykh Saalih al-Hamraani

Translation of a Khutbah (08/27/99)

 

Have fear and consciousness of Allah subhanahu wa ta`ala and ponder over events that happen around you. Learn lessons from them and remember, for the intelligent one is he who remembers and takes admonition.

The topic of this khutbah is the destructive earthquake that hit part of Turkey. The earthquake which caused thousands of people to die, caused loss of wealth and properties, and forced people to seek refuge outside of their dwellings, now being without their home and their wealth, and without food and drink. The earthquake which turned security into fear, richness into poverty, caused joined families to depart, and turned life into death. Without doubt, in it is a lesson for those who take lessons and a reminder for those who remember, so that they may return to their Lord and their Creator.

The Truthful, the Chosen one (as-Saadiq al-Mustafa), sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam, has informed us that a multitude of earthquakes is a sign of the proximity of the Hour. He informed us that they would be many at the end of the time.

Ahmad relates in a hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurairah, radhiallahu `anhu, that the Prophet, sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam said, "The Hour will not happen until knowledge is taken out, time passes quickly, earthquakes increase in number, tribulations (fitan) appear, and al-Harj increases in number." It was said, "What is al-Harj, O Rasoolullah?" He said, "Al Qatl, al Qatl (Killing)".

A lot of what is mentioned in this hadeeth has already materialized.

Happenings of earthquakes and the like from other destructive and disastrous events are the greatest evidence of the astonishing power of Allah subhanahu wa ta`ala. Earthquakes are from among the soldiers of Allah, subhanahu wa ta`ala, subjected to His order. He, subhanahu wa ta`ala, causes fear in the hearts of those whom He wills, teaches lessons whom He wills and punishes whom He wills.

"And none can know the Forces of your Lord, except He." (74:31)

"For to Allah belong the Forces of the heavens and the earth." (48:7)

If the Ummah leaves Allah's Sharee`ah, ignores the Deen of Allah ta`ala and follows its enemies, Allah will subjugate it to His armies, which no one knows except He. From among these armies are the earthquakes.

"Such is the Seizure of your Lord when He seizes the towns while they are doing wrong. Verily, His Seizure is painful and severe." (11:102)

"When We decide to destroy a town, We (first) send a definite order (to obey Allah and be righteous) to those among them who are given the good things of this life. Then, they transgress therein, and thus the word (of torment) is justified against (them). Then we destroy it with complete destruction." (17:16)

Allah, subhanahu wa ta`ala, with this earthquake makes clear to His servants a plain reality, that the kingdom of the heavens and the earth is in His Hands, subhanahu wa ta`ala, and that He is the Irresistible and Dominant over His servants.

Some people may be astonished by what the West has from the materialistic power, from various weapons, aircraft carriers, bombs, satellites etc., and they forget that Allah, subhanahu wa ta`ala, allowed that piece of land to move and shake, being able to shake the force of the West and the East. Everything is in His Hands, He has power over all things, and no one in the Heavens and the Earth can weaken Him, subhanahu wa ta`ala. Appearance of the earthquakes therefore points us to a different reality that may be absent in the minds of some people, those who are busy with this world and who are servants of materialism.

This earthquake also reminds us of the Day of Judgment. The Day when all of the Earth will shake, and not only one part of it. Allahu subhanahu wa ta`ala says,

"O mankind! Fear your Lord and be dutiful to Him! Verily, the earthquake of the Hour is a terrible thing. The Day you shall see it, every nursing mother will forget her nursling, and every pregnant one shall drop her load, and you shall see mankind as in a drunken state. Yet they will not be drunken, but the Torment of Allah will be severe." (22:1-2)

Look what is left after the earthquake from destroyed buildings and houses, deaths of thousands, and families seeking refuge outside of their homes. What state is that in which everyone is running away, caring about nothing? So what do you think of the Day of Judgment?

"That Day shall a man flee from his own brother, and from his mother and his father, and from his wife and his children." (80:34-36)

"One the day (when the first blowing of the Trumpet is blown), the earth and the mountains will shake violently." (79:6)

Allah ta`ala warns His servants with this earthquake to learn a lesson and be admonished, and to be ready and prepare themselves for the Day of sorting out, the day of the great earthquake, that will shake all of the earth.

Allah ta`ala has placed in this universe Sunan, fixed and manifest laws, neither do they change nor are they replaceable. He does not have any kinship with anyone, He is the sole Creator and Ruler, and He will question and hold accountable everyone, including prophets and messengers. "Then surely, We shall question those to whom it (the Book) was sent and We shall question the Messengers." (7:6)

From among the established Sunan of Allah is that He does not send punishment except due to sin and He does not remove it except after repentance. Allah ta`ala says, "Whatever misfortune befalls you, it is because of what your hands have earned." (42:30)

Allah the Mighty and Majestic says: "Evil and mischief have appeared on land and sea because of what the hands of men have earned, that Allah may make them taste a part of that which they have done, in order that they may return (by repenting to Allah)." [30:41]

Every disaster and every calamity that befalls the servants is due to their sins and wrongdoing. So know, servants of Allah, what wrongdoing does to its doers.

What has taken Adam and Eve from the Jannah except wrongdoing, and what Has drowned all of the people on the earth at the time of Nooh, to the point that water reached the peak of mountains, except wrongdoing?

Who is it who sent the furious violent wind upon the people of `Aad, so that they were seen lying overthrown and destroyed, as if they were hollow trunks of palm-trees? Who is it who sent the awful cry upon the people of Thamud until it cut their hearts inside their bodies, and they all fell dead without exception? Who lifted the villages of the people of Loot till the angels heard barking of their dogs, then turned them upside down, and then rained upon them a rain of stones?

That is the immediate punishment for wrongdoing: drowning, fire, earthquakes, destruction, famine, raging wind... "And the torment of the hereafter is far more severe and more lasting." (20:127)

Do we not take admonition and lesson? Allah subhanahu wa ta`ala says, "Did We not destroy the ancients? So shall We make the later generations to follow them. Thus do We deal with the Mujrimoon (criminals, disbelievers, sinners.). Woe that Day to the deniers (of the Day of Resurrection)!" [77:16-19]

The earthquake of Turkey is just a warning from Allah, subhanahu wa ta`ala - not only to the people of that country alone, but rather to the Muslims in general, in all lands - that they may return to their Lord and their Deen. Otherwise a punishment will come upon them. Allah ta`ala says, "So We seized each of them for his sins." (29:40)

Many of the Muslims today have gathered many sins. We see those who delay and neglect prayers, eat haram, deal with riba, do not fulfill their trusts, order the evil and forbid the good. Those who indulge in mixing, display of awra, listening to music and songs, and those who have abandoned the Qur'an. All these exist in our society. Let us fear Allah subhanahu wa ta`ala and preserve what we have from the blessings, for wrongdoing removes blessings, rather it changes it to a curse. And let us be warned of an evil end, for Allah gives us a chance but is not neglectful. What has happened to the previous nations and some of the current ones will happen to us if we obey the Shaytan and go far from the path of the Most Merciful. These are the sunan of Allah that will never change.

"Or do you feel secure that He, Who is over the Heaven, will not cause the earth to sink with you, then behold it shakes (as in an earthquake)? Or do you feel secure that He, Who is over the heaven, will not send against you a violent whirlwind? Then you shall know how (terrible) was My Warning." (67:16-17)

Let us pause and ask ourselves what has been the tangible impact on us since we have heard and seen this earthquake, and what it has left from the mighty and scary destruction that makes the hearts bleed. The happy one is one who learns from the calamity of others, and the sad one is by whom these calamities pass while he takes no lesson from them.

Just recently the sun eclipsed, then followed the floods, then the strong wind, and then this earthquake happened. The people are still as they were before, you see no change. You do not see people going back to the path of Allah and you do not see any crowds in mosques. It is unfortunate that the explanation offered for these events is that they are normal natural disasters, and that they do not link it to what happens to people due to their wrongdoing. Theirs is clearly an incorrect interpretation.

"And We sent not the signs except to warn, and to make them afraid (of destruction)." (17:59)


 

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Originally posted by salman_s salman_s wrote:

Originally posted by sayariza sayariza wrote:

Originally posted by salman_s salman_s wrote:

yes, it is also one of the signs of qiyamah that Allah's wrath comes on the believers (muslims)

indonesia is the largest muslim population in the world. but the muslims there are not practising islam sincerely. they are moving away from islam. and Allah knows best what sins are taking place there. the tsunami is a lesson to all indonesian muslims to fear Allah and follow islam sincerely. nobody is trying there to work on buliding iman (faith in Allah). it is every muslim's responsibilty to work on building his iman. for that you need to organize religious islamic gatherings. we indian muslims are working hard on building our iman masha Allah 

it is high time for the indonesian muslims to get back to islam and fear Allah and follow islam sincerely.




instead of bashing Indonesians  what are you doing?
you said : "but the muslims there are not practising islam sincerely"  sounds racist ...you should know Islam forbides any form of racist..

there are already 5500 people dead, most of them are muslims,
do you know? if someone has decreed shahadat, she/he is muslim

do you not shame on your self  and then curse you muslim brothers and sisters as not good muslim ?  you have never been there..you never met them b4..
Only Allah knows who good or who bad..not you...

If you see one indonesian steals something, you can not take conclusion that all indonesians are thieves..that's happened in this case too, bacause you see some Indonesians do not practise Islam very well you blame all indonesians are bad muslims..wow very clever
 

i think you are an indonesian or you have some relatives in indonesia or something�. that is why your resonse is a harsh one.

 

Allah has mentioned in the Qur'an that Allah forgives whom he wills and Allah punishes whom he wills.

Allah's punishment has come on the indonesians, and it is high time that indonesian muslims repent to Allah of their past sins and get back to the path of goodness and sincerely practise islam





can you write your own post: ?
indonesia is the largest muslim population in the world. but the muslims there are not practising islam sincerely"

not all indonesian is like what you said
even you have never been there
even you have never met them
it makes what you tell about the muslims there is not practising islam sounds like an urban legend

In country you said the muslims there is not practising islam sincerely.  from 275 regents,  20 regents use shariah at this moment, it will be 100 regents in 2009.

in country you said the muslims there is not practising Islam, this country is dare to say to condo , we support Palestine, we support Hamas goverment..

in country you said the muslims there is not practising Islam, people of this country demontrated 2 weeks ago in 165 cities, there were attended by 2.5 million people to support Palestine and hamas Govt while most Islamic countries (i said most..) are silence..

in country you said that the muslims there is not practising Islam, we give 1.5 million dollar for Palestine (by govt) and 1. million by people

in country you said that the muslims there is not practsing Islam,
this country is  dare to say to the world " we support nuclear program of Iran, because nuclear techonology may not be monopolied"
in country you said that the muslims there is not practising Islam,
this country is dare to say to the miss Condy when she asked the chairman of parlement if this country wants to open relationship with israel : "we never ever want to reacognize Israel, never ever"  just one sentence.

the problem is you said:  the muslims there is not practising Islam

it is similar you point your finger to  muslims in that area is not practising Islam..

Do you know at the war in the middle 19 centuries they lost almost 60.000 people in 5 years war , because Dutch wanted to destroy a mosque because Dutch wanted to make road? those number was only for a mosque...mosque...you know a mosque of 10x4 mtr ..
do you know in 1910 when Dutch tried once there were a big riot and 3000 dead and than plan was canceled forever after that..

what were you doing while babri mosque were destroyed?


if some of them are not good muslims, how can you blame that  the muslims there are not good muslim

You just make generalization about what you do not know..


if you said The muslims there are not good muslim , that is offending..
it will be different than you said : some of muslims are not practising islam

remember : you have no right to evaluate "imaan" of a muslim
that is not your right, 100% not.
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Allah's punishment has come on the indonesians..
how do you  know that is a punishment?
how do you people who are not involved in thgis disaster they are not punished?

The good muslim never takes a conclusion : "o this a punishment", we are learnt to say. it could be a punishment from God.
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btw agree with you for this because you said

...it is high time that indonesian muslims repent to Allah of their past sins and get back to the path of goodness and sincerely practise islam..."

it is actually not only for Indonesian but for all muslims, muslims everywhere are like one body...(sound familiar for you?)
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may Allah bless you
May Allah bless All Muslims in Palestine, checnya, xinjiang, iraq, afghanistan, khasmir and everywhere
May Allah bless all of them: the victims and the survivals
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I do not want to harsh you but should to keep your mouth if you do not know about that people. Offcourse thay are some people who are not good muslims, but can you can tell me (us), where is place on the earth at this time that 100% are good muslims? be careful with your language..words : "the muslims there" are different then "some of muslims there")
The province were quake taken place are multicultural province; there are muslims, christians, hindu, budhism and even aninism. The worst disaster happenned in Bantul the most islamized city in that area.

I critisize you not because I am Indonesian, but because you makes so many mistakes..a lot of mistakes


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sayariza, please read the topic which i posted above The Earthquakes
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Originally posted by salman_s salman_s wrote:

Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Salman, well you may believe what you wrote above, but study the geology of the earth, please. Not everything pertains to God's wrath, actually I don't believe any natural disasters is from God's wrath myself.

The earth is a violent place, whenever there is stresses and movement of tectonic plates, the earth is going to let go and shift and normally it is in the form of eathquakes.

And volcanos, well similar activities.

What lies underneath the crust is a very active earth  The earth is always evolving and changing. The lands/continents are actually moving.

hi angel

who causes stresses and movements of volcanic plates which results in earthquakes? it is Allah (alone) who does that

who causes volacanoes to occur and the earth plates to shift? it is Allah (alone) who does that

Allah is the One Who owns us fully and nothing happens in the universe except as a result of His will

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