March May 1st For Immigrant Rights

Interesting point, but since we have an administration in power that does nothing but break the law with absolutely no repercussions, why pick on these people?

I know, two wrongs don't make a right. But it is the height of hypocrisy to say that illegal immigrants are felons for getting paid $3.00 an hour, then turn around and accept bribes from lobbyist or rent out rooms in the White House for overnight stays to constituents who pay you $100,000 under the table. Everytime we pay taxes we are rewarding law breakers because we are paying the salaries of our government.

If these new laws are passed, then if I feed a homeless person who happens to be an illegal, even if I don't know that, I can be charged with a felony. If I see someone having a heart attack in the street and offer them aid, if they are an illegal I can be charged with a felony.

So, whatever you do, check for papers before helping anyone from now on....

Why have citizenship at all then Herjihad and Mishmish?  Why have Social Security Numbers, Taxes (Income Tax was supposed to be repealed after the first world war...hmmm), why have birth certificates and passports? 

Why have citizenship????  I'd rather live in a world I could just freely move to someplace like New Delhi, Kyoto or Amman and live anytime I wanted?  Or get a job in Moscow without filling out all the visa forms?  You know the Slavs pushed out native peoples as they populated Russia?  So they too should have open immigration. 

So, if we just let anyone come in how are we going to tell who's staying and who's visiting?  How do we know who to hire and who to require a worker's priviledge card or worker's visa?  How do we know who's coming and who's going in the realm of criminals and terrorists (note I did not specify what kind of terrorist....for past, present and future situations).

Increase legal immigration, make it easier to become a citizen, provide incentives to those willing to go the legal route.  DO NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO BREAK THE LAW!  I agree with you Iraq is a bad, bad War.  I agree with you that Bush is draining this country dry.  Two wrongs never made a right, only three lefts.

But, to make you feel better Mishmish, I found you this political cartoon by Keefe of the Denver Post.

http://intoon.com/cartoons.cfm?action=browse&startdate=0 4/01/2006&id=16149

Just letting anyone in is not going to work....if you suddenly opened this country up.....you'd have MILLIONS just pouring into this country within weeks.  Anyone who had the money for a plane, train or boat would be here as fast as they could....in places like Flint Michigan, the unemployment rate is already 50%.  Here in Utah, its better, we have more jobs than people.  But, we're a bit rare in the scale of the rest of the country.  Could the US handle another 12 Million after the current 12 are given amnesty?  Could we handle 50 million more within years?  Where is your line?

I'm going to ask you both (Herjihad and Mishmish), you want to give the current twelve amnesty and then what?  What is your solution to the LONG TERM problem?  Housing, education, employment, healthcare.  (Did you know I have to wait 3 months to get into my OB/GYN because there are not enough doctors to patients in some specialities?  What if this becomes regular doctors?) 

Without Social Security numbers, there is no credit reporting and no way to track things like home loans, student loans and car loans.  I know Islam is against Riba, but reality is, the US economy runs on these things.  Without a way to track a persons identity, you can't even have a bank account in this country.  So, you want Amnesty, what's your solution?

Oh, and if they are given Amnesty, I think they should all be paid more than 5.25 an hour.  I want Minumum wage at like $7, so their cheap labor will be non existent because as citizens they'll be able to demand minimum wage or better and turn violators into the Labor Department.  So they will no longer benefit the US as cheap labor (since that's been one of your arguments), and since you can't raise a family on $5.25/hr, I'm assuming they'll need help.

I hear you jumping up and down about fairness, well, be fair to everyone.  You tell me how you want our country to open its borders up to anyone and everyone and still function as a sovereign nation.

There are illegal immigrants living in theis country who have been here for many years. They have children that were born here who are citizens. The new laws would force these children to choose between staying here, perhaps in the Foster care system, or being deported with their parents. Or worse, helping their parents and becoming criminals because of this.

I am not saying just let anyone and everyone into the country, but if they are already living here with families, and have no criminal records, other than being an illegal immigrant, then why not allow them citizenship, or at the least Green Card status? If they have been here long enough, they have already done the time.