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Saved wrote: Jesus tells us in so many ways doing to people the evil they do to you will only make the world blind and lame. We are to love our enemies and pray for those that use and abuse us. There is no other better way; that is the truth that trumps falsehood. Regards, Saved

Saved,

Please learn your own scriptures before you come here to preach us.

The thirty-fourth verse of the tenth chapter of Matthew quotes Isa (alaihi Salaam) as having said, �Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.� (Matt: 1034)

It is written in the fifty-first verse of the twelfth chapter of Luke that Isa (alaihi Salaam) said, �Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:� (Luke: 12-51)


All the best.

Ceo3 wrote: Going back to about 700AD there is proof via discovered Quranic script that what we have today is exactly the same. Also non muslim historians prove that Muhammad SAW did speak the words. Now criticisms of Quran are from the mouth of Muhammad SAW up until when it was written down. There were 100s of companions who memorised the Quran and they come together to collate into book form. Some doubt this method, however today their are millions in the world who have memorised the Quran all 6000 plus verses in order, from 6 yrs old. You can take one from Malaysia, to Egypt to England to USA and they will all recite the same. No other book ever has been on such a large scale been commited to memory.

In 1972 a large number of ancient Quranic manuscripts, dating from first century of Hijra were discovered in the Great Mosque of Sana�a (Yemen), which significantly differs from the present standard one.
This challenges the orthodox Muslim belief that the Quran, as it has reached us today, is �the perfect, timeless, and unchanging Word of God�. It means the Quran has been distorted, perverted, revised, modified and corrected, and textual alterations had taken place over the years purely by Human hands.

Millions have memorised the Quran. Really !Which Quran ? The original one or the changed one ? Muslims willnever know because Uthman destroyed the originals !

2Acts wrote: It is obvious Jesus was talking figuratively. He was simply saying his message would bring division. He was not and never did advocate violence. Unlike Mohamad. There are dozens of verses in the Quran that advocate violence.

Yes, Jesus obviously was speaking figuratively, but I was unsuccessful in getting him to see this!

Edited by Saved - 22 November 2016 at 10:16am

Saved wrote: asep48garut60 wrote: Dear Saved, I agree with you that we should love our enemies and pray for those who use and abuse us. Allah said in the Quran 28:77 "And do good to mankind as Allah has been good to you. And do not do mischief on earth, Allah does not like those who do mischief. " I don't dare to oppose Allah, even I only fear to Allah. Regards, Asep Dear Asep: You are agreeing with the gospel. Quran 28: 77 doesn't state to do good to those that abuse you. The verse you quoted however is very general, because most people do good to those that do good to them. What reward is there in that as Jesus asked? The reward from God is when you do good to those that don't do good to you, hate you or can't do good for you. So,(Quran 28:77) is not in clear support of the gospel, my comment, or what you are agreeing with. Do you realize this? Remember, Jesus said love your enemies; that Quran verse is general, because Allah's love in the Quran is conditional, and the love of God in the gospel is not conditional love. I don't see that Quran verse agreeing with the gospel or what I posted and yet you agree with me. That is interesting to say the least. We should owe no man anything but our love. The verse you quoted fails to express that. I believe you know I am speaking truth. What you do with that truth is up to you. May you come to the knowledge of truth that leads to paradise since you do appear to me to be still searching for the best knowledge. PBUY, Saved

Dear Saved,

You said:
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The verse you quoted however is very general, because most people do good to those that do good to them. What reward is there in that as Jesus asked?
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Yes, indeed I quoted it is common because the Quran was revealed for all era, even until the Day of Judgment. Quran was revealed as a warning to the whole of nature (Quran 68:52), and so the prophet Muhammad, he was sent to all mankind (Quran 34:28), not for one community only, even he as a mercy to all the world (Quran 21: 107).

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So,(Quran 28:77) is not in clear support of the gospel, my comment, or what you are agreeing with. Do you realize this?
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Yes, I am very aware, and I just agreed that we should do good to all humans, even to all creatures other than humans, except what is mentioned in the Quran 60:8.

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that Quran verse is general, because Allah's love in the Quran is conditional, and the love of God in the gospel is not conditional love.
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Yes like that, everything that God created was not in vain, certainly all be useful as in His word. Allah created heaven and hell, is reserved to those who faithfully execute His commands and for those who don't run His commands. That's why the love of Allah in the Quran is conditional. Here I would like to ask, who created heaven and hell? and then for whom heaven and hell?

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I believe you know I am speaking truth. What you do with that truth is up to you. May you come to the knowledge of truth that leads to paradise since you do appear to me to be still searching for the best knowledge.
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Yes, the way we look in the understanding of truth is different, we can only explain the truth in accordance with our respective beliefs, and shouldn't impose one another.

Regards,
Asep