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asep48garut60
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Dear Airmano,
Sorry I didn't turn things upside down, I was just giving my opinion of "prostration" in 13:15 �And unto Allah (Alone) falls in prostration whoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and so do their shadows in the mornings and in the afternoons.� I believe in word of Allah that they prostrate to Allah, but I don't know how they prostrate to Allah. Example: Before there's air transportation, at the time it was probably humans would not believe that humans could fly like a bird. But in fact now, all humans believe that humans can fly, although there are differences in how to fly, birds fly by using wings while humans fly by using air transportation, but it still has the same meaning as "fly". Likewise with "prostrate" in 13:15, maybe someday we can prove it despite the way they prostrate is not the same as we've ever seen. --------------------------------------------------- To pretend the opposite (even if expressed in a mystifying sentence) is like saying: "The Quran is [always] right - even if it contradicts reality." --------------------------------------------------- Yes, the Quran is true, because I believe in the such book, on the contrary, you'll believe in the book that you believe. Regards. |
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JerryMyers
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Hope this help you to understand this verse better. Best Regards.
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airmano
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I think here you turn things upside down. One may see it as a metaphor (although I do not see what it should teach us) and I'd have no problem with it. But we all know, that neither do animals, nor do our shadow prostrate to Allah. They don't ! To pretend the opposite (even if expressed in a mystifying sentence) is like saying: "The Quran is [always] right - even if it contradicts reality." Airmano Edited by airmano - 21 September 2016 at 2:04pm |
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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asep48garut60
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Dear TG12345, peace be with you.
First of all I beg permission to engage in explaining about 13:15 in this topic. In my opinion "Yes" everything that is in the heavens and the earth they are all prostrate to Allah, including the shadow or no shadow, objects animate and inanimate, and all that can be seen or can't seen, all prostrate to Allah, there�s nothing that doesn't prostrate to Allah. What is meant by the verse 13:15 of "prostrate" here doesn't mean the same as when muslims prostrate in prayer/shalah, but here is a manifestation of a tribute to the glory of Allah who has created all that's in heavens and on earth, consciously or not, thankful or not, all of which are essentially at the mercy of Allah, but we don't know how they prostrate, as His word in (17:44). It's almost the same as Angels prostrate to the Prophet of Adam, it doesn't mean the same as when the Muslims prostrate in praying, but the Angels gave respect to the Prophet of Adam. This verse (13:15) shows that what are in the heavens and on earth are basically admitted and rely on Allah who has great power over everything. There are several verses in the Qur'an are called the verses mutashabihat, and such verses contain parables or proverbs, so it requires a special reasoning to uncover the meaning behind that written. We don't see our own shadow prostrate or we've never seen animals prostrate and so on, it shows about the limitations of human ability to uncover all the secrets or mysteries in this universe. Once again, we don't know how they prostrate to Allah, but Allah knows everything, including what is whispered in the human hearts. Regards, |
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AhmadJoyia
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Sorry, did I miss out your question? What is it? |
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bebeeells1
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Thank you Tim the plumber for your response, I appreciate it. Am looking forward to hearing Muslims reply :)
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Gentlemen, let us bow our heads to the Lord our God, and be mindful of our eternal nothingness before Him.
Surely, it is His will that we love one another, that we strive for peace and brotherhood between all men, that we show utter humility before Him, therefore do we bow our heads as does every living thing in creation. All is created by Him, is therefore subject to Him, prostrates itself therefore unto Him insofar as all is dependent upon Him to even exist. Prostration evokes humility, providing catharsis and awareness through graphic physical expression. �Say: O people! Fear ye God, and turn not away disdainfully from His Revelation. Fall prostrate on your faces before God, and celebrate His praise in the daytime and in the night season.� (Baha'u'llah, Gleanings, XV, p. 38) �O SON OF MAN! Transgress not thy limits, nor claim that which beseemeth thee not. Prostrate thyself before the countenance of thy God, the Lord of might and power.� (Baha'u'llah, The Arabic Hidden Words, No. 24) |
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TG12345
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Thanks for the input, Airmano. I think that the verse is saying that by merely existing, everything prostrates, whether they want to or not.
I am curious to see if you want to answer this question, especially the second part, which AhmadJoiya has been refusing to answer. And unto Allah falleth prostrate every observant Muslim man, as do their Pakistani wives. - What is wrong with this statement, if anything. And more importantly. - Is there any way this statement can be true? |
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