Crucifixion of Jesus

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 islamispeace wrote:

 Caringheart wrote:

 islamispeace wrote:

 Caringheart wrote:

the Bible states that God gave the one known to us as His Son(Yshwe) to die for us and later raised Him to Himself.  I don't why muslims have such a hard time understanding this.  

 Even a child would know better than to blindly accept the ramblings of such people.  I guess you don't qualify.      

 Even a child would know better than to blindly accept the ramblings of a single man with no witnesses.  I guess you don't qualify. 

I accept as much more credible, the testimony of many witnesses, told to many people, and in many places, eventually written down in many places, and yet tell the same story,
over the words of one man who says he had a vision in a cave to which there were no witnesses... and one whose own words and actions often change and contradict themselves.

I can understand why many people might tell a story slightly different, yet with the same underlying message...
but a man who contradicts his own self while claiming to be speaking with the words of God?

asalaam,
CH

 No, no, dear.  There is no "contradiction" in the message of Islam.  Unlike your Bible, which has contradictions on almost every page, the Quran is consistent.  

Your so-called "witnesses" contradicted each other even in terms of the "message".  The Gospels exhibit a gradual deification of Jesus.  From Mark to John, Jesus is transformed from a man into a god.  

Then there is the contradiction between the Gospels on whether Jesus was sent to the Jews or to the Gentiles.  The Gospels can't even agree on that!        

Show me where there is no contradiction in the Quran

Some Muslims argue, "The Qur'an is the Word of God because the text of the Qur'an has been preserved perfectly." This argument is erroneous for two reasons: 
 Factually, the text of the Qur'an has not been preserved perfectly. The text has additions, deletions, conflicting manuscripts, and variant readings like any other ancient writing.
 Logically, it is irrelevant whether the text of the Qur'an has been preserved because preservation does not logically imply inspiration. A book can be perfectly copied without implying its inspiration.The present meaning of a word is irrelevant to what it meant in ancient times. The word "Allah" is a good example. When confronted by the historical evidence that the word was used by pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times to refer to a high god who was married to the sun-goddess and had three daughters, some Muslims will quote dictionaries, encyclopedias, etc. to prove (sic) that "Allah means God." They are thus using modern definitions to define what the word meant over a thousand years ago! What "Allah" means now has no bearing on what it meant before Muhammad.
When a Muslim says, "Christians and Muslims worship the same God," he is committing the fallacy of equivocation. While Christians worship the Triune God of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Muslims worship a Unitarian deity. Obviously, they are worshipping different Gods.
 When a Muslim says, "We believe in Jesus too," he is committing the fallacy of equivocation. The "Jesus" of the Qur'an is not the Jesus of the Bible. Islam preaches "another Jesus" (II Cor. 11:4). The Jesus of the Bible is God the Son who died on the cross for our sins. But the "Jesus" of the Qur'an is not God the Son and he did not die on the cross for our sins. Thus it is erroneous for Muslims to tell Christians that they believe in Jesus, too. 