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Originally posted by Whisper Whisper wrote:

Today, we hold that chance of getting the two sides together. There are more and more Israelis who are drawing away from what Sharon had promised them about "his Iraq venture".

It's now dead. So is Sharon's old pet stand.

B: That's how it works in a democracy..

Plus, it's sheer nonsense injustice to posture stand against peoples' natural leaders just because they don't suit the State Department designs for certain areas.

B: Who's saying any of that?

Let's get a citizens' Group going - both the sides deserve peace - they won't get it from any admin anywhere in the world. It's not in their interest fro that area to be peacefull, prosperous and above all INDEPENEDENT!

B: I don't think that's the case - 'it's not in their interest.'  The INDEPENDENT comment - I would tend to agree with you about that...it's in the economic powers' interests to keep economic dependency and co-dependencies going - but the idea that people want instability - I think that's just plain wrong sir, in my humble opinion.
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Today, we hold that chance of getting the two sides together. There are more and more Israelis who are drawing away from what Sharon had promised them about "his Iraq venture".

It's now dead. So is Sharon's old pet stand.

Plus, it's sheer nonsense injustice to posture stand against peoples' natural leaders just because they don't suit the State Department designs for certain areas.

Let's get a citizens' Group going - both the sides deserve peace - they won't get it from any admin anywhere in the world. It's not in their interest fro that area to be peacefull, prosperous and above all INDEPENEDENT!
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W: Our good old Brits are known for sowing discontent, dividing and ruling and all those sorts of things. They way Israel was created + the way Israel behaved with the people of the area was almost like a hood being forced onto a neighbourhood.

The Anglo-Americans created it for fear and strife in the area. What do you expect? Peace and harmony?

The results of following the ways of some Machiavellis or Leo Strauss s are before us. We can rid of this hell only by finding the divine string!

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To whatever extent the Brits and the US and the West were involved in injustices to the Palestinians - this needs to be addressed.  But, as you say, moving forward we must find a 'divine string' and if that's to be done in must be done on BOTH SIDES. 

Are you and herjihad claiming that the Jews have 'no rights' and that the Jewish government is completely - a 'terrorist organization?'

I would never say the same about 'all Palestinians.' 

Such generalizations never help and always hurt...why go there?

Let's get to a 'divine string' - why don't we?
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Somehow, you always hit the nail in the head. And, in a short, sweet most effective way. I love the logic of "compassion" preached by some Americans - Israel can Dera Yassin and approx 500 other villages - drive out 740,000 men, women and chidren - the archives admit that it's being done per a plan

BUT, when the oppressed retaliate, hell breaks loose and, we hear grand shouts of "FOUL".

Great compassion, MacJustice!
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Bismillah,

Yeah, Thomas Jefferson was also an adulterer.  What a guy.  In spite of his obvious character flaws, the Delcaration of Independence is still a great document.  It would be even better if all countries had their own and weren't subjugated to the powers that be.

Everyone knows the Israeli government is an unjust terroristic organization, including them.  The humans of the area would like peace through mutual kindness, but the self-serving politicians in Israel, America, England and even Phalasteen refuse to allow that.
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Sorry Sasha, this is arrogant in itself. 

One day, I will have to borrow that technoloy from you, of not reading the post but something else from somewhere else out of the sudden blue!

I am for the rights of all people in the world, anywhere. BUT what good is "rights" if offered to anyone in a cursed cup?

Our good old Brits are known for sowing discontent, dividing and ruling and all those sorts of things. They way Israel was created + the way Israel behaved with the people of the area was almost like a hood being forced onto a neighbourhood.

The Anglo-Americans created it for fear and strife in the area. What do you expect? Peace and harmony?

The results of following the ways of some Machiavellis or Leo Strauss s are before us. We can rid of this hell only by finding the divine string!
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"If Israel was not manufactured out of sheer imperial arrogance and thrust upon the people of that area - what would have happened?"

Sorry Sasha, this is arrogant in itself.  How can you claim that Jews do not have claims to historical Holy Sites in and around the Jerusalem countryside (and Christians for that matter) any more than Muslims can claim such in Medina and Mecca?  How on God's green earth is that 'manufactured?'  That's ludicrous..

Are you saying Jews are not part of 'the people' of that area?  Wow...

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but what about moderation and reason on the Muslim predominated side (visa vi Israel?)
Just think for a minute. If Israel was not manufactured out of sheer imperial arrogance and thrust upon the people of that area - what would have happened?

If the powers in White Hall and the White House had taken "people" into confidence and said that the Jews are your brothers in dire straits, they need a home - how many would have said bugger off?

With Christ's recipe no one would have wanted Israel to be wiped off the map of the earth - just ONLY if they were taken in as partners in the creation of Israel.

When we kick people in their butts and expect them to do as they are told - thats exactly what happens.
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