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Originally posted by iec786 iec786 wrote:


Ok what do you think Abraham meant when he said,

12 Besides, she really is my sister, the daughter of my father though not of my mother; and she became my wife.

Was he considering the DNA factor or did he really think it was his sister???

Do you know of anyone married to his half sister or brother.

My own opinion even if you share half of the DNA you could not marry
one another it would be incest.

The sex factor in the Quran is to teach men what you are allowed to do and what is forbidden to you.

The Bible gives you account like the story of Jacob and his daughter in law.Lot and his daughters i mean what is the moral of the story???

say well
Ismail

Hi Ismail,

I had to go back to see what originated our discussion.  lol

So essentially you are saying that you do not believe what is written about Abram and Sarai in the Judeo-Christian scriptures.
Would that be correct?

and I think I simply said that it was likely a common thing in those ancient times... and I mainly replied because being half-sister and half-brother married does not make Isaac a b__d.
and the qur'an says nothing against sister/brother marriage either... is that correct?

I mean I agree with you, we have progressed in knowledge and know that this is not advisable practice and is no longer practiced by most... at least I hope it isn't.  Perhaps in the days when the gene pool was still pure it was not such an issue but as time has gone on we have seen it can be a very big issue.  We have been able to avoid many abnormalities, deformities, and mental retardations with our increased knowledge... things that did perhaps exist in great abundance in ancient days... perhaps this is why people blamed demons and such, because they didn't know any better.  Perhaps this is why they killed their own children... and I am sure many of them simply died as well.  I guess perhaps we eventually began to learn from these things... to put 2 and 2 together.

Salaam,
Caringheart

note:  I think the moral of the story with Abram and Sarai was about deception... when Abram deceived a king by not revealing the full truth about Sarai and saying that 'she is my sister' and not telling him that she was also his wife.
Not all the stories in the scriptures have a moral... many are just simple factual histories which illustrate the human frailties and sinful nature.
I forget which ones, and how many, and am too tired to look it up... but there is a complete section of the Judeo scriptures which are the historical texts... simply recordings for the purpose of preserving history.

Peace and blessings to you.


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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:





Originally posted by iec786 iec786 wrote:

Ok what do you think Abraham meant when he said,

12 Besides, she really is my sister, the daughter of my father though not of my mother; and she became my wife.

Was he considering the DNA factor or did he really think it was his sister???

Do you know of anyone married to his half sister or brother.

My own opinion even if you share half of the DNA you could not marry
one another it would be incest.

The sex factor in the Quran is to teach men what you are allowed to do and what is forbidden to you.

The Bible gives you account like the story of Jacob and his daughter in law.Lot and his daughters i mean what is the moral of the story???

say well
Ismail
Hi Ismail,I had to go back to see what originated our discussion.� lolSo essentially you are saying that you do not believe what is written about Abram and Sarai in the Judeo-Christian scriptures.Would that be correct?and I think I simply said that it was likely a common thing in those ancient times... and I mainly replied because being half-sister and half-brother married does not make Isaac a b__d.and the qur'an says nothing against sister/brother marriage either... is that correct?I mean I agree with you, we have progressed in knowledge and know that this is not advisable practice and is no longer practiced by most... at least I hope it isn't.� Perhaps in the days when the gene pool was still pure it was not such an issue but as time has gone on we have seen it can be a very big issue.� We have been able to avoid many abnormalities, deformities, and mental retardations with our increased knowledge... things that did perhaps exist in great abundance in ancient days... perhaps this is why people blamed demons and such, because they didn't know any better.� Perhaps this is why they killed their own children... and I am sure many of them simply died as well.� I guess perhaps we eventually began to learn from these things... to put 2 and 2 together.Salaam,Caringheartnote:� I think the moral of the story with Abram and Sarai was about deception... when Abram deceived a king by not revealing the full truth about Sarai and saying that 'she is my sister' and not telling him that she was also his wife.Not all the stories in the scriptures have a moral... many are just simple factual histories which illustrate the human frailties and sinful nature.I forget which ones, and how many, and am too tired to look it up... but there is a complete section of the Judeo scriptures which are the historical texts... simply recordings for the purpose of preserving history.Peace and blessings to you.




Hi Caringheart,

I think we should agree that this had nothing to do with God writing or the Holy Spirit but just someone anonymous
putting pen to paper.

I say that because the same story popped up with Isaac and one incident is heavy enough but then you had Isaac story exactly the same,and we can deduce that this was an interpolation on the writers behalf.The writer probably wrote the first piece and found it fascinating and decided to repeat the same storey just changing the characters.

peace to you
Ismail.

ps have a good rest.


      
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Originally posted by iec786 iec786 wrote:

Salaams,

This is puzzling In the Bible we are told that Sarah is Abrahams wife.Then Now Abraham said of Sarah his wife, �She is my sister.�
One father different mothers.That is not half sister it is full sister.Isaac would be considered a B*ASTARD child.

A B*STARD shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.


What then of all his beloved DESCENDANTS THE jew's could we call them also B*ASTARDS according to the Bible ?????


Please note these are not my words i am merely quoting the HOLY BIBLE.iF YOU FEEL OFFENDED THEN PLEASE CONSULT YOUR BIBLE SCHOLARS AND CHANGE IT IF IT SUITS YOU.

Thank you
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According to the Scriptures meaning Chapter's and Verses where can the above be found ?????
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Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21 Al Saadiqeen21 wrote:

Originally posted by iec786 iec786 wrote:

Salaams,

This is puzzling In the Bible we are told that Sarah is Abrahams wife.Then Now Abraham said of Sarah his wife, �She is my sister.�
One father different mothers.That is not half sister it is full sister.Isaac would be considered a B*ASTARD child.

A B*STARD shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.


What then of all his beloved DESCENDANTS THE jew's could we call them also B*ASTARDS according to the Bible ?????


Please note these are not my words i am merely quoting the HOLY BIBLE.iF YOU FEEL OFFENDED THEN PLEASE CONSULT YOUR BIBLE SCHOLARS AND CHANGE IT IF IT SUITS YOU.

Thank you
Ismail.
 
According to the Scriptures meaning Chapter's and Verses where can the above be found ?????

Greetings Al Saadiqeen21,

See posts 3 and 4...
June 6 and 7.
I asked the same question and Ismail responded.  Smile

Salaam,
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Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21 Al Saadiqeen21 wrote:

Originally posted by iec786 iec786 wrote:

Salaams, This is puzzling In the Bible we are told that Sarah is Abrahams wife.Then Now Abraham said of Sarah his wife, �She is my sister.� One father different mothers.That is not half sister it is full sister.Isaac would be considered a B*ASTARD child. A B*STARD shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. What then of all his beloved DESCENDANTS THE jew's could we call them also B*ASTARDS according to the Bible ????? Please note these are not my words i am merely quoting the HOLY BIBLE.iF YOU FEEL OFFENDED THEN PLEASE CONSULT YOUR BIBLE SCHOLARS AND CHANGE IT IF IT SUITS YOU. Thank you Ismail.


According to the Scriptures meaning Chapter's and Verses where can the above be found ?????





****** : This word occurs in the Bible THREE times.
(a) "The ****** shall not enter the congregation of the Lord;
even to his tenth generation . . ." DEUTRONOMY 23:2
(b) "And the ****** shall dwell in Ashdod . . ." ZECHARIAH 9:6

(c) "But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers,
then ye are ******S and not sons." HEBREWS 12:8
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