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The REAL Intended Sacrifice of Prophet Ibrahim |
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Abu Loren 
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 Posted: 13 February 2013 at 6:50pm |
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Are you an eediot? Where did you get that from? Let me repeat the Shahada again to you and READ and UNDERSTAND. "I declare that there is no deity other than Allah and that Muhammad is His slave and messenger". Who told you that they have to 'believe' in Muhammad? Believing in him means that one has to believe in the revelation that was given to him, not believe in him as a partner to God as you believe Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) to be.
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""there is no man more dangerous than one who thinks he knows the will of God" [/QUOTE] Read what I've replied to Mr. Reepicheep. Everyting I've said is backed up by the Holy Qur'an. In it all disbelievers in Him will go to Hell. Those who associate partners to Him is a great sin as what you believe is.
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Webber
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Posted: 13 February 2013 at 8:19am |
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Looks more like it's pointing out more conjectures of the Muslims. You are pointing out what the Quran does not say and insisting it proves the Bible wrong. That would be like saying the Bible is wrong because it does not approve of eating camels.
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I'm a Gentile.
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Reepicheep
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Posted: 13 February 2013 at 5:24am |
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Abu Loren wrote: It's a shame you didn't read on till the end of your link.
What in particular are you referring to? Please tell us.
The link provides the names of five hadith collections and eight commentaries on the koran where it is stated that either the son was Isaac, or it could have been either son. Obviously, there is no agreement in Islam as to which son was to be sacrificed.
Reepicheep: you refuse to consider the muslim prophets Ishmael and Isaac to be equals.
Abu Loren in reply: Where did this come from? What are you talking about?
The koran doesn't state which son was to be sacrificed, yet you absolutely refuse to consider the possibility that the son was Isaac. Why? It appears to me that it is hostility on your part towards Isaac. If that is not the reason, then what is it?
Why do you ignore all the hadith and commentaries which say it either was Isaac, or could have been Isaac???
Abu Loren wrote: Believing in who was to be sacrificed is not a pre-condition on salvation.
Then why do you have such hostility towards the muslims and Christians who say it was Isaac and not Ishmael???
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Caringheart
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Posted: 11 February 2013 at 8:19pm |
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Also curious since it is not enough for a person to say they believe in the one God, they must also say that they believe in Muhammad. *********************
""there is no man more dangerous than one who thinks he knows the will of God" Edited by Caringheart - 11 February 2013 at 8:20pm |
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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
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Abu Loren
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Posted: 11 February 2013 at 7:09pm |
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In the Holy Qur'an we are told that mankind was given knowlede, wisdom and intellect. We have to use it.
It's a shame you didn't read on till the end of your link.
Where did this come from? What are you talking about?
I've told you once before in another thread it's not from my own authority. Allah Subhana Wa T'ala in the Holy Qur'an tells us that all that associate partners to His rule and worship will go to hell. The Prophet (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) states in a hadith that anything not sanctioned by him is an innovation and all innovators will go to hell who deviate from the Straight Path which he helped to establish. Now you are putting words in my mouth with your last paragraph. Don't worry though as this is typical of what the Christians do on a daily basis. Believing in who was to be sacrificed is not a pre-condition on salvation. This thread is merely pointing out the inaccuracies and the prejudices of the
Bible and the Jews who corrupted it. |
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Reepicheep
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Posted: 11 February 2013 at 3:09pm |
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Abu Loren wrote: it shows clearly that the Bible is corrupted. So your logic, such as it is, is as follows: the bible states that Isaac was to be sacrificed. The koran doesn't contradict this. Therefore, the bible is wrong.
Kinda strange logic, if you ask me, and not very logical.
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It may interest you to know that many, many muslim scholars either say it was Isaac, or say they don't know which son was to be sacrificed. For example:
The Tafsir of the verses cited above has been described on the assumption that the son who was to be slaughtered was Sayyidna Isma'il (A.S). But, the truth of the matter is that there is a severe difference of opinion among commentators and historians about it. That this son was Sayyidna Ishaq (A.S) has been reported from among the Sahabah by Sayyidna 'Umar, Sayyidna 'Ali, Sayyidna 'Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud, Sayyidna 'Abbas, Sayyidna 'Abdullah Ibn 'Abbas and Sayyidna Ka'b al-Ahbar (R.A), and from among the Tabi'in by Sa'id Ibn Jubayr, Qatadah, Masriq, 'Ikrimah, 'Ata', Muqatil, Zuhri and Suddiyy (R.A).
Abu Loren wrote: ALL true muslims revere ALL the Prophets of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. Muslims do not make any distinctions
So you say. Yet, you refuse to consider the muslim prophets Ishmael and Isaac to be equals. Curious...
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In other threads, you have declared, on your own authority, that all christians will go to hell. As well, you have declared, also on your own authority, that all Twelver shiites are apostates and will also go to hell.
Are you also declaring, on your own authority, that all Sunni muslims who refuse to accept your claim that Ishmael is the son who was to be sacrificed are also apostates and destined to hell? Or is it perfectly acceptable for a muslim to believe that it was Isaac who was to be sacrificed? Edited by Reepicheep - 11 February 2013 at 3:23pm |
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Abu Loren
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Posted: 10 February 2013 at 1:57am |
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It matters mr. Reepicheep because it shows clearly that the Bible is corrupted. I notice that you have been a member on this forum for a while and you STILL haven't noticed that ALL true muslims revere ALL the Prophets of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. Muslims do not make any distinctions unlike the Christians as has been clearly demonstrated here on this forum. I sincerely hope that you open your eyes and heart and start to learn something. You've been here long enough.
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Reepicheep
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Posted: 09 February 2013 at 5:59am |
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Nowhere in the koran does it indicate which son was to be sacrificed, whereas the bible clearly states that it was Isaac.
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I'm curious, why is it so important to some muslims which son Abraham was to sacrifice? What is so offensive about Abraham sacrificing Isaac instead of Ishmael?
In Islam, is it a condition of salvation for muslims to believe that it was Ishmael who was to be sacrificed (i.e., can a muslim get into heaven, if the muslim believes it was Isaac and not Ishmael who was to be sacrificed?).
Do muslims hate Isaac for some reason???
Edited by Reepicheep - 09 February 2013 at 6:02am |
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