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Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke Mahdi The Seeke wrote:

that is not the type of forgiveness i am talking about.

Greetings Mahdi,

 How do you know this was not the type of forgiveness Jesus was trying to lead us to?

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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:



Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke Mahdi The Seeke wrote:

in this case, the catholics seem to be following the Bible more closely since their belief is based on the Bible on this point. since the basis of power to forgive sins comes from the Holy Spirit and all christians have it, then they should all be able to forgive sins, according to the Bible.
Greetings Mahdi,If you forgive someone who has trespassed against you, have you not just forgiven them their sin?
that is not the type of forgiveness i am talking about.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mahdi The Seeke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 February 2013 at 6:06am
Originally posted by bunter bunter wrote:

The Bible teaches clearly that all men, both living and dead, saved and unsaved, must give an account to Christ. The Apostle Peter, in his great sermon in the house of Cornelius, said �that it is He which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead� (Acts 10:42). Later, in his First Epistle, Peter wrote that Christians �shall give account to Him that is ready to judge the quick (the living) and the dead� (1 Peter 4:5).�

Believers never need fear a condemnatory judgment for sin. For every Christian this judgment is already past. Jesus reassures us by His own word:��Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to (John 5:24). To this the Apostle Paul adds: �There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus� (Romans 8:1).�

Some scurrilous people have argued this is a licence to go on sinning but that is a total lie. How can anyone who is given such a salvation abuse God by not thereafter striving for a holy life. Indeed we read "Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us." (Hebrews 12:1)

In summary,�for those who have absorbed Jesus's message, Christians�confess their sins because they are forgiven not in order to obtain�forgiveness.
funny how the next few verses say the opposite of what you believe about john 5:24. you said Believers never need fear a condemnatory judgment for sin. For every Christian this judgment is already past. Jesus reassures us by His own word: �Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to (John 5:24).
the next few verses actually say you have to do good deeds to gain life.

24 �Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man. 28 �Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out�those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. 30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
Please try to read carefully and read the whole passage/context for better understanding.
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Originally posted by Empiricist Empiricist wrote:

Mahdi the hypocrite, God knows your heart.� I can forgive this.� That does not mean God does.� The disciples were given the power to forgive sins IN THE� NAME OF JESUS (not said but not needed to be said).�� If it was so simple to refute there would be no Christians.� Do you think us all *****s?� You are practicing legalism as the Pharisees, as do all Muslims.� You think if you pray at the proper times, and follow all the rules, and maybe kill a few Christians, that you go to heaven and are given virgins to have sex with????� And you actually believe this hogwash?�� Just another Pharisee, hypocrite.� God knows your� heart.
calm down brother.
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Mahdi the hypocrite, God knows your heart.  I can forgive this.  That does not mean God does.  The disciples were given the power to forgive sins IN THE  NAME OF JESUS (not said but not needed to be said).   If it was so simple to refute there would be no Christians.  Do you think us all *****s?  You are practicing legalism as the Pharisees, as do all Muslims.  You think if you pray at the proper times, and follow all the rules, and maybe kill a few Christians, that you go to heaven and are given virgins to have sex with????  And you actually believe this hogwash?   Just another Pharisee, hypocrite.  God knows your  heart.
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The Bible teaches clearly that all men, both living and dead, saved and unsaved, must give an account to Christ. The Apostle Peter, in his great sermon in the house of Cornelius, said �that it is He which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead� (Acts 10:42). Later, in his First Epistle, Peter wrote that Christians �shall give account to Him that is ready to judge the quick (the living) and the dead� (1 Peter 4:5).�

Believers never need fear a condemnatory judgment for sin. For every Christian this judgment is already past. Jesus reassures us by His own word:��Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to (John 5:24). To this the Apostle Paul adds: �There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus� (Romans 8:1).�

Some scurrilous people have argued this is a licence to go on sinning but that is a total lie. How can anyone who is given such a salvation abuse God by not thereafter striving for a holy life. Indeed we read "Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us." (Hebrews 12:1)

In summary,�for those who have absorbed Jesus's message, Christians�confess their sins because they are forgiven not in order to obtain�forgiveness.
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Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke Mahdi The Seeke wrote:


in this case, the catholics seem to be following the Bible more closely since their belief is based on the Bible on this point. since the basis of power to forgive sins comes from the Holy Spirit and all christians have it, then they should all be able to forgive sins, according to the Bible.

Greetings Mahdi,

If you forgive someone who has trespassed against you, have you not just forgiven them their sin?



Edited by Caringheart - 06 February 2013 at 10:14pm
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Originally posted by Webber Webber wrote:

Lol, Sorry Caringheart. I'm sure everything I say is irrelevent as well. We are not here to explain our beliefs but to defend the Catholics.
 
I'm not looking it up. What Catholics do is irrelevent to me. Try a little Sunni hadith on Mahdi the seeker and encourage him to explain it until it makes sense.
 


Hi Webber,

It's funny, now that your comment has appeared on the forum I realize something.
I thought Mahdi was asking a question...
what did I think was irrelevant...
and so I answered him.

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