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Caringheart
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Please explain what that means... "trolling"? I take offense at the accusation. I came to the forums because I seek better understanding between people of all religions. I seek to know the truth and want to know Muslims better and not just succumb to fear mongering. I want to know whether there is something to fear or not. I want us all to pursue the same end... peace. I heretofore had thought that all religions respected each other, and could allow one another to live in peace with their own religion... until 9/11. Then I realized that I knew very little about any religion other than my own, and so I began to learn... not just about Islam but about all religion from beginning to end. And through that learning I have found that the same is true the other way around... Muslims also have little understanding about the religion they preach against. The thing is my religion does not preach against any other religion. It only seeks to share its own. (People are free to reject it if they so choose.) This is why I knew nothing and would never pretend to know all that there is to know about another religion. It will take a lifetime to understand my own. I did not bring up the issue at hand. I only responded to what someone else said to me about apostasy not being a crime in Islam. I had facts to know that this was not true. It is treated as a crime, if not in all Islam, then at least in part. This is what I seek clarity on. That is all. As far as the reactions I am getting here... I see no difference in some of my discussions than the other ones that are going on. I see others free to share views and debate. Just as no Muslim will shy away from discussing their truth, so neither will I, or should I have to, shy away from sharing mine. 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. I do not expect you to suppress your truth, but neither can I suppress mine. I am learning from the discussions on this forum and hope that everyone might learn from one another by not suppressing truth. Salaam [edit: Where would you have me go to build understanding between us? One must be able to speak freely if understanding is to be reached.] Edited by Caringheart - 06 July 2012 at 1:11pm |
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Caringheart
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I need you to clarify for me... Is this a forum meant to encourage conversation between people or only to debate certain issues? I do not come to debate. I come to converse and conversations always take different turns. I try to answer things which are brought up to me with my own thoughts. Yes my thoughts are many varied. Are not yours? Perhaps we just have different ways of conversing. Or perhaps I do not understand the purpose of this forum. I am also curious about how or why a post made by Nausheen came to be edited by peacemaker? Peace Edited by Caringheart - 06 July 2012 at 5:45pm |
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Caringheart
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I am more than willing and happy to visit the links presented but my computer does not handle multi-media. I do try to visit the links when I have opportunity to get on other computers... but I have to try to remember them all. Just so everyone knows, I do not ignore, or overlook, anything that is shared with me. :-)
Note: This is also why it is difficult when any of my posts disappear. It makes it difficult, or impossible, to back track to find what it was I was wanting to look at. |
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peacemaker
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Assalamu Alaikum/Peace be upon you, Just
to let you know that *** mark indicates the minor editing in the quote box of �Originally posted by
peacemaker.� The deleted content that was erroneously attributed to me was �I
am Bible.� If you see my
original post, I didn�t write this. May
Allah (Exalted is He) guide us all. |
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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13 |
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Caringheart
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Ok, I have had a chance now to go to the links(well, link, it was the same one posted twice), and I appreciate all that has been shared here. I see that just as Christianity broke into many factions the same exists within the Islamic faith.
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Nausheen
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I want to respond to more than one issues - will see how much I actually can. I want to have conbversation, and I also want to remove misunderstandings as best as I can. Me neither is interested in debate :) I too have varied thought, but if I need to ask questions, I will organize them so as not to jump back and forth from topice - to me that does not help resolving misconceptions. Peacemaker can edit all posts because he is the moderator. |
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<font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR] |
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Nausheen
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This comment isn't for me, but wanted to comment on this one portions. We do not believe the torah or old testment can be referred to any more, because we believe it has been corrupted by human intervention. However it was my impression that for you it still holds true. Is it not the case? Please tell me, do christians beleive the torah has been corrupted? If so, then it cannot be used as a testimony for you. However if you believe it to be true then in my opinion you should accept its truth even if it is being presented to you by a muslim. In the times of muhammad sallallahu alaihe wasallam, he used to judge between the jews (who brought their disputes for him for resolution), according to the torah. He did not use the Quran to resolve their disputes. |
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<font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR] |
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Nausheen
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Edited by Nausheen - 07 July 2012 at 6:35am |
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<font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR] |
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