Apostacy and few other issues

Ron Webb wrote: As I'm sure you know, the Quran says in many places that it is complete, perfect and fully detailed.� If it doesn't mention precisely how to drink water or how to pray, then according to Allah it doesn't matter exactly how you drink water or how you pray.� If Muhammad said otherwise, then Muhammad was giving instruction to his companions and followers in his own time and place.� Those instructions were never intended to be preserved for all time, i.e. never intended as a permanent part of Islam. � Honestly, Nausheen, do you think Allah ran out of words, or forgot to include things in the Quran?� Or was He lying when He said the Quran was complete?

Ron,
the Quran and the Prophet has separate roles in my understanding. The Quran is complete and the role of the Prophet is to explain, live, and to put the words of the Quran in practice. It is often said that the Prophet (pbuh) was a living Quran.
Ron, if you have been to school, you must remember that it was your teacher who opened up those lessons or maths equations that did not make any sense to you at first. Once the teacher explained to you the formula or gave you that added information it all made sense and became easy to follow through.
The prophet was not just the messenger but also a teacher. When it is said to offer your Salat five times of day, Quran is not incomplete to not draw the specifics rather that was the job of the teacher, the prophet who was instructed to how to do it and then teach how it is done properly. Thus the prophet lived and explained each aspect of life that was important.
You never questioned, why do you need or have to listen to the Chemistry teacher or Maths teacher to explain to you those text books?
Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) came as the last prophet to mankind and through him came the Quran as the last message for mankind that means that the Quran and his example is valid until the world ends.

Hasan

Edited by honeto - 17 September 2012 at 12:55pm

As I'm sure you know, the Quran says in many places that it is complete, perfect and fully detailed.  If it doesn't mention precisely how to drink water or how to pray, then according to Allah it doesn't matter exactly how you drink water or how you pray.  If Muhammad said otherwise, then Muhammad was giving instruction to his companions and followers in his own time and place.  Those instructions were never intended to be preserved for all time, i.e. never intended as a permanent part of Islam.

Nausheen wrote: To Bunter:   Equating God with any man is blasphemy in Islam. - This means we DO NOT equate the prophet with God.

honeto wrote: And for the issue of Jesus' divinity, your quote you are assuming meant that he was claiming to be God, for that they wanted to kill him for blasphemy? Suppose we assume you to be right, even though we know that you are not based on evidence. There are other problems in the Bible that will contradict that, for example there are at least two other accounts of the same event that give a complete different reason for the Jews to kill him for: "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?" John 10:36 The third reason given in the Bible for which the Jews wanted to kill him is also part of the same story in the same Bible: "And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS." Matthew 27:37 So take your best guess!

Also remember there is ample evidence we have seen in the Bible that suggests Jesus to be a servant of God and a prophet of God, I guess all that is meaningless when you want to see him as God. My favorite quote (to show to Christians) is:"but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." John 20:17

I hope you don't ignore facts and truth that will save you one day.
Hasan[/QUOTE]

Some points, you do not seem to make any distinction between what Jesus said about himself and what others said. For example, you take as evidence the fact that Pilate, the Roman governor, placed a sign on the cross about Jesus being King of the Jews - does that really amount to evidence of substance as to whether Jesus is God or not?

So I wonder are you simply bringing you personal bias to the Gospel accounts and imposing them on the text, any text so long as it backs up you predisposed position?