al Qaeda slaughters Muslims

Yusuf. wrote: And as always your assertion is false: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/tables/totalstab.htm

Starting to worry about our professor friend who's so worried about rocitreal's spelling problems...even a cursory review of your "proof" that I'm wrong shows that the long term secular trend shows almost a halving of the US homocide rate since 1980! 

And your point is what Yusuf?


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Whisper wrote: I agree and respect your point, Jenni. This situation would not have been there if that country was allowed to develop institutions instead of being dictated by short fuse / short sighted army men for all these years. If army rule is such a good thing why not appy it in the US?

Oh, let's guess, it's another day and Whisper is blaming ALL the world's ills on the (230 year young) US...whatever happened to the ancient ways and taking responsibility for oneself (or a country) and one's actions?

Has anyone ever heard Sasha Whisperer critique Russia or China and their contributions toward global destabilization in the past 50 years?

No, his is the obsession that the US is pure EVIL and responsible for all EVIL.  He fashions himself as reasonable and intellectually vigorous..

Yusuf. wrote: Well in your initial post on the subject you claim that violent crime rates have dropped over the past 15-20 years. Here are the stats for homicides over the last 20 years: 1985 8.0 18,976 1986 8.6 20,613 1987 8.3 20,096 1988 8.5 20,675 1989 8.7 21,500 1990 9.4 23,438 1991 9.8 24,703 1992 9.3 23,760 1993 9.5 24,526 1994 9.0 23,326 1995 8.2 21,606 1996 7.4 19,645 1997 6.8 18,208 1998 6.3 16,974 1999 5.7 15,522 2000 5.5 15,586 2001 5.6 16,037 2002 5.6 16,204 So as you can see, they do not drop steadily at all, but rather increase until 1993, when they do in fact drop to a low by 2000, at which point they remain stable. You use generalizations that do not accurately reflect the reality of the situation to promote your simplistic, jingostic ideology. Even your response, after having seen the data, distorts the actual data to attempt to prove your point. My point is that you are a dishonest individual. Furthermore, you still communicate in an immature fashion.

1980	10.2	23,040
1981	9.8	22,520
1982	9.1	21,010
1983	8.3	19,308
1984	7.9	18,692
1985	8.0	18,976
1986	8.6	20,613
1987	8.3	20,096
1988	8.5	20,675
1989	8.7	21,500
1990	9.4	23,438
1991	9.8	24,703
1992	9.3	23,760
1993	9.5	24,526
1994	9.0	23,326
1995	8.2	21,606
1996	7.4	19,645
1997	6.8	18,208
1998	6.3	16,974
1999	5.7	15,522
2000	5.5	15,586
2001	5.6	16,037
2002	5.6	16,204

Well Mr. Professor, go back to 1980 and see "violent crime has dropped consistently in the US for the past 15 to 20 years" - which was EXACTLY as I said (in fact I'm quoting my post verbatim.)  For you to say, "as always" I'm "false" when you're wrong and prove yourself wrong and me correct with your own post, is just hilarious...


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Yusuf. wrote: yes, the  big dropoff starts around '96-97. I read about this too; guns started to become less available. Anyway, this is stupid, Bruce, Truce!

The commentary on FBI stats for YEARS have said that violent crime in the US has been dropping - and you wanted to contend that reality and try to "prove" that I am "always" wrong...that is your deal Yusuf...that is an axe you decided, wrongly I might add, to grind..

There are a lot of reasons for the dropoffs in violent crime in the US including stiffer sentences.  There is debate whether gun control or gun freedom has greater impact on lowering violence, with states that have greater gun rights having less violent crime than states that have more gun control.  This may be problematic reasoning though, as states with more gun control typically have much greater populations - however reasonable gun control seems to make sense without eliminating the freedom to bear arms for self defense, when proper channels are followed and folks don't disqualify themselves legally to bear arms..