Reason why there are no homosexuals inIsl

 

Saladin, this is what you muslims just don't get - there is no "christianland", ok?  Christianity is not like Islam, it has no authority to wield temporal power (not that christians have not tried it).  Christians can excommunicate immoral people from the church, indeed they should do, but have no power to sentence criminals.  If a judge, for example, happens to be a christian, then he sentences the criminal in the name of the state, according to the laws of the state, and not in the name of Christ. 

 

The relevant authorities, to answer your question, are the enforcers of the law in the framework of the state.  Christians must obey the laws of the land - Romans chap.13 - unless of course in doing so, they are asked to disobey God through sin.  In such an eventuality, they are still subject to the laws of the state, and are punished according to those laws, if their beliefs conflict with the laws in question.  This they should accept, knowing that God is Final Judge and Arbiter.

 

And yes, not only could the relevant authorities be non-christian, they could be vehemently anti-christian, as was the case when Paul wrote Romans 13.  The relevant power then was pagan Rome, which slaughtered countless christians, including Paul.  It was very hard being a christian then, but christians have similar problems today, in places like Saudi Arabia and Orissa state, India.

 

"........there being no law on punishment (by human hand)for anything in this (final) covenant, since it is not a legal system."  --once again, I suggest you read what is written, instead of twisting it.   When I refer to "this (final) covenant", I am referring to Christianity.  I am saying that christians have no authority to punish crime in Christianity.  They report the matter to the relevant authorities (the police, the state etc), who have the authority to punish crime.  Sadly, under the Islamic system, the muslim claims to have the authority for everything, even when  he can't make their minds up his law is.....

 

As for the verse you quoted from the Quran, purporting to point to punishment for homosexuality (and this, hopefully, is my final word on this verse) - it is perfectly obvious to me that a man and a woman committing adultery/fornication, being caught, and each of them being punished, the man as well as the woman, are not being punished for homosexual activity.  If you cannot see that then you must be blind.  All this talk of homosexuality being the same as fornication is just your way of not looking at what the verse is actually saying.

 

So, a legal loophole has been discovered for gays in Islam.  Al-Fatiha should be happy about that.  They probably already know about it of course.

 

oh and btw Shasta's, I'm not raging.  Just a nice friendly person, loving, caring, fond of children, animals etc...........

 

 

A very telling thread indeed.  According to you, I've been "agitated", angry, then "raging".  I think that says more about whats going on in your head than anything else and possibly also on your view on the non-muslim world

 

Did I say that the Lord Jesus abolished all punishment for all crime?

 

Perhaps you could also inform me exactly how a man and a woman who have committed adultery/fornication, with both of them being punished for it, have in the process also engaged in homosexual activity, when they are of the opposite sex

 

It is interesting to note that this thread started out with Christians raging because a Muslim called for the death of homosexuals and now a Christian is raging because Islam doesn't call for the death of homosexuals. A very telling thread, indeed.

 

Of course, I also find it interesting that Jesus Christ abolished all punishment for all crime, that would explain a lot..... however I just can't seem to remember Jesus saying this.