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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OmAbdullah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 September 2008 at 9:36pm
Assalamu alaikum again..
Sorry, I see you mentioned you live in Jeddah. The expatriot population there is huge, so hopefully you can get in touch with other English-speaking Muslims. And I do understand about how hard it is with babies. I had my youngest 5 over period of 6 years. Feel free to pm me if you want. My computer is my window on the world!
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Assalamu Alaikum!
Oh dear, I feel your pain. What you are doing is not easy, particularly since you have children living overseas. I have been in Saudia for 33 years, but I came here as a new bride, and we lived for the first 16 years in Dhahran on the campus of King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals.

A couple of things have helped me keep my sanity. First of all, your being a Muslim is your greatest asset. Think of the move to Saudi Arabia as your own personal "Hijra", or immigration for the sake of Allah. Think of it as your highest goal in living here - not to raise your children as Arabs or to experience new cultures, but to be a better Muslim. If your intention is good, Allah will help you to cope.

Also, I hope you will rethink your aversion to learning Arabic. It's not easy, certainly, but it can be done. I don't know what kind of issues you have with your husband as far as going out of the house, but if you can find a center that teaches *spoken* Arabic with fellow foreigners, you will have an easier learning curve. There will be those who will tell you that learning Qur'anic Classical Arabic is more important, but my personal experience is that I learned to speak first, then the door opened for me to learn to read. Don't think you have to do it all at once. You will find that people warm up to you more quickly when they see that you are trying to learn to speak to them. Another option if you can't easily get out of the house (and I *know* what it's like) is to try and enroll in a correspondence course in Arabic. After I had been here for several years I took two semesters of Classical Arabic by correspondence from the Unversity of Wisconsin. The two semesters took me 4 years to complete! But I did it all within the walls of my own home. Think about it.

I don't know what city you live in or what facilities are available to you, but if you can find a circle of English-speaking ladies, you will find it eases your isolation. I cannot minimize the difficulty you will have in being accepted by the Arab women. It's sad, but true. After all the years I've been here, I'm still a foreigner. But if you can join a circle as I mentioned of fellow foreign Muslim ladies, they often hold Qur'anic lessons or other educational and social activities. Sorry, I can't give you more details, because I, myself, live a very isolated life, socially. But I have known other non-Arab ladies who have found a very satisfactory social life in the foreign community. I just hope your husband will be open-minded about it.

Just remember always that intentions count. If it is your intention to choose to live in a Muslim country in order to be a better Muslim and of course to be with your husband, then Allah will help you. Always pray to Allah to help you. He answers every prayer, even if we do not see the answer immediately.

I pray you will find peace and happiness and especially that your older children will decide to move back to your home eventually.

Wa Assalamu alaikum
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Assalaamualaykum.  I'm also an American revert woman married to a Saudi, but lucky for me, my husband's family loves me.  In fact my mother in law treats me like a daughter Alhamdulillah.  I am slowly learning Arabic and will be going to Saudi Arabia in possibly 6 years, providing my husband can get my papers done and get his Government to recognize our marriage(he was under the legal age to get married to a forgien woman) when we got married.  As far as I know, you have no rights to take your husband's children out of Saudi Arabia.  The USA embassy will not allow you or help you to take Saudi children out of the country, without the husband's permission.  He has to sign a form for his children, especially if you have a daughter.  From Saudi persepctive, Saudi citizenship preceds American citizenship and there's not much you can do about that.  I do not like the idea of moving to Saudi, but only because of what I see on the News, about "middle eastern/muslim men beating their wives" and all the news about american women getting kidnapped and forced into sex rings because every other country hates the usa for what the usa government does to third world countries.  But I also know that as a woman and as a Muslim, it's my duty to follow my husband and listen to him, as he is my mahram and provider.  I think there's something in Islam that says, if a man wants to go somewhere, then his wife/wives are required to go with him.  As for your husband not wanting to move to the USA, I can understand that.  The USA isn't very nice to Middle Eastern/Arab/Saudi men.  There's too much promiscutity and drinking, etc. that are forgein and disgusting to Middle Eastern culture.  Perhaps you could take a vacation to America, to give yourself time to think about what you want.  Or try talking to your husband or an Imam about your situation.
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Salaams,

 
Well it is clear he is quite comfortable and no wonder.. he has his family! Well that makes a big difference?
 
So why won't you learn Arabic? I am just curious?  I have thought of living in a forign country, did 4 months in Pakistan and could not imagine not getting more of the basics of the language down... But I guess as you mentioned you are not a social person... so... but if you had a couple of good friends it would make things easier just to have a friend or two to get together with...
 
Me, I've been a Muslim for 4+ years and making Muslim friends is very hard. The culture differences, some subtle and some not so subtle makes it hard. Ramadan is when that is most noticeable, not having a Muslim family.
 
I do think you have alot of inner strength to do what you are doing. Really.
 
I aslo hope that your husband gives you support. Many men just don't get the extraordinary changes you have gone through. When you are raised in a Muslim family, culture etc. you often do not have a clue as to what strength and determination it takes to not only become a Muslim but to then live abroad.
 
I think most of us reverts, to a large extent are on our own. Muslims are not trained, or equiped to guide and help us. How hard it is to be the "outsider." Last weekend I went to Iftar at the masjid and stayed for prayers.. It was highly stressful to do. People come with familes and communities they grew up in the whole feel, and mentality so it is oh-so familiar. We show up, quite lost and the odd sort out.
 
It made me leave at the end, with no urge to return.
 
You are very strong.
 
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Yes the financial constraints are tough. You probably are not going too far too soon.  
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My husband is not lonely at all.  His entire family lives here in Jeddah.  Most of the women in his family do not speak English and I refuse to learn Arabic.  I've enough knowledge to recite a few verses while I pray, but otherwise read the Quran in English.

My husband goes out quite frequently.  He has friends and relatives that call on him several times a week.  They go out for coffee, dinner, or just to walk and chat.  I do not have the luxury to do any of these things except with my husband; and we all know with two babies how hard just getting in a quiet moment at home is.
 
People in our financial situation can not just "take a three to six month vacation".  Tickets alone for us would be nearly six thousand dollars because of Ramadan and such.  That wouldn't even include just staple day to day expense coverage.  Its not even an option.
 
I've realized in the last few days that there are no easy answers.  I will have to trust that Allah brought me to Saudi Arabia for a reason and when that part of my journey is over, he will deliver me to the next part.  I can only pray that the next part of my journey will return me to my other children. 
 
May Allah bless all of you that cared enough to take the time to read my posts and for those that responded.  May your fasting and hard-ship during this blessed month be accepted, and insh'allah you will be rewarded.
 
You have given me a warm welcome and I'm so glad I've found some friends I can turn to!


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Asalam Alaikum,
 
I commend you for your efforts.. really I think becoming a new Muslim and then moving overseas takes actually alot of courage. Saudi Arabia, like all places is quite distinct. It has its own way of doing things and operating.
 
It was interesting, on a related note, I met a woman in Pakistan, when I visited the first time. She was in quite a wealthy family, husband was a doctor and such. I briefly met her and she said it took a long time to make friends. Part of that is culture, but part is also what strata you live in. This is not universal, but most of the time in my travels, its the average people who are down to earth and real. 
 
And I wouldsay its a double challenge as your husband is not Saudi, so both of you are "outsiders" without family to back you up and help you intergrate. It can be a blessing to be on your own so to speak, but it can be lonely as well.  
 
Can you plan at least a visit to your kids as Abuayisha suggested?
 
Living anywhere where you are an outsider is difficult. People are like that, and Muslims should be better but let's face it, they are as human as the next. They can be just as ignorant as anyone else.
 
There are Yemini communities in the west.. and maybe that would be a more suitable compromise.
 
I think you are very strong. You really are.
 
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I am a new muslim, yes. 

Honestly, I think my first mistake was bringing my older children here to begin with.  We are very happy in America.  But I thought giving them experiences to other cultures would be good for them.
 
However, in Saudi Arabia there is not entertainment for those who not among the rich and wealthy.  We go to the grocery story and we go home.  There's no money for mall shopping or going out to eat. 
 
My husband has worked six months in the last three years.  I have worked as a teacher to make ends meet and he borrows from his family to meet what ends my paycheck cannot. 
 
Perhaps my problem is bigger than I thought....I just don't know what to do about it.
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