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MOCKBA wrote: You might well try Mockba, but by inferring that the west is arrogant, aren't you being a touch arrogant yourself? In this context, not at all. Though i would be interested to know whats your west.

Mockba, what do you mean by "whats your west"? If you are asking where I am from, I don't think that matters too much. At least it doesn't to me. I like to be universal in outlook. So in order to avoid the dangers of getting too geographically fragmented, I'd rather not say at this point....But I'll give you a clue...It's not Antarctica. :)

Bismillah

Colin, i completely agree with you on the needless mention of the geographical position data. What i tried to ask is what do you mean when you mention the word west, or what is west in your perception... hence, "what's your west"?

It would be premature to lay ground for disagreements, before ensuring that we are on the same case.

Secondly, "you-are-either-with-us school of thought" came from the west, i presume, and i still do  not find it very friendly... the war with Iraq started against the decision made by the UN, which eventually reduced them to United Nothings... not a sign of togetherness either...  Why do you think this could not be, at some instance, seen as characteristic of west's arrogance?

ZamanH wrote: And I have been all over the world and some hate Westerners and some do not. It all evens out. That is half-truth and worse than a lie. Although everyone does not hate the Westerners, a very large number of people in the world hates them and their number is rapidly increasing. NO other group of people is hated as much as the Westerners. Very few Brazilians hate the Indians, very few Chinese hate the Muslims but a great proportion of all of them hate the WEst.

Actually, I have been all over the world and that is not what I hear. What I hear is that they hate the West's government but do like the people they have met.  I think people hate due to government and ASSUME that everyone else in the country is like that. Most people are doing what every other person in the world is doing which is just trying to live.

Ummmmm and the Pakistanis and Indians? They love eachother?

You hate over government and use it to justify a whole people.

Lameese

MOCKBA,

Yeah that is not correct. The West has no control over their government. It is nice to think and even to tell everyone that you own your government but in reality, your government could care less what you think. Do you think your government listens to you?

President Bush asked Congress for $70 billion for his war effort and in the same breath took away severly needed health care for senior citizens. Do you really think the people had a choice in this? And also, Bush is out of favor in the USA. To many people dying and he found nothing and tried to blame others. He is a coward and I especially hope he rots in hell.

The government does what it wants and then attaches the names of all it's citizens. I am not saying that everyone is against the war but the majority are. It has gone on to long and people are disgusted. But to go to Congress and tell them you want it stopped, well, did it work for Vietnam? No. They were just arrested and threatened.

Go to your government and tell them you no long want to pay taxes and throw a fit and see what happenes. Verbal abuse, jail and fines. Why? The could care less what you think.

Lameese