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rami
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Bi ismilahi rahmani raheem
Scientifically speaking all it would mean is that your cell regeneration stays at the same rate and does not decay, nothing Godly about that just something God decided to do for someone. you assuming they are god becouse of it is your leap in logic not mine...i.e i don't need to believe that a person who does not die is a god also. i should rather state its not Godly to be immortal as every one of us will be given this gift in the next life, will we be gods at that point in time? Edited by rami |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Ron Webb
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I think you mean Jacob, and Genesis says that he was a man, not a god. |
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Ron Webb
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Well, it's a matter of semantics, isn't it? Polytheistic religions usually ascribe different powers to their various gods, the Greeks had their demigods and their heroes and so on. Where you draw the line between gods and humans is a matter of definition. It just seems to me that immortality (or virtual immortality) is a pretty big one in the list of defining characteristics of a god. That's why we contrast gods with "mortals". |
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Ron Webb
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It seems to me that we're talking about a full-blown miracle, not just something that "God decided to do for someone". As I said, surely it would be a noteworthy event, not something left to be deduced from ambiguous and conflicting information. I would rather believe, as Saint John said, that reports of his immortality were just rumours, not factual.
Well, we won't be "mortals" anymore. |
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myahya
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It just seems to me that immortality (or virtual immortality) is a pretty big one in the list of defining characteristics of a god. Prophets have shown full-blown miracles. Allah decided to do for them. None of them performed those miracles inherently. |
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Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem
I would rather believe, as Saint John said, that reports of his immortality were just rumours, not factual. I am not arguing for or against this particular case but rather if God has the ability to do it without us considering them a God. |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Ron Webb
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Yes of course, but my point is that miracles are extremely unusual events which would not go unnoticed or unreported. |
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Ron Webb
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Yes, God has the ability to do it. Whether that makes them "gods" depends on your definition, of course. I would say no, immortality by itself is insufficient; but I wouldn't call them "mortals" either. They are somewhere in between. |
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