Sunni Shiite Islam

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   [QUOTE=Shamiala] 
Salam brothers and sisters.
i have recently been doing some research regaarding sects in Islam in particular the Sunni and the Shiite. when doing my research i have managed to gather alot of literature with regard to Shiite beliefs. i have not fully identified what the Sunni's believe in yet. if anybody could guide me as to any books or internet websites that may be of use please let me know.
Thank you
Any help will be much appreciated
Allah Hafiz
[jalillah/QUOTE's] I have no books for shiite or sunni's but one thing I could say is this its mention in one of the sura's let me first start by saying... bissmillah-hirrahman-nirrahim..allah for give me if I make mistake or error in memorising this verse I'm about to say...as follow that their will be one of the same faith of which they will wage war with one another,shed blood against each other...something along these sentence.. but my understanding of allah words  is what allah prevails in his  marvelous Quran..is the sunna and his surrah's nothing more or nothing less.. the  extra's is optional... sorry I know is in english...inshaallah I hope I'll be able to say it in arabic and memorize by verse.. by the way I thouht to just mention one more thing also allah said that there is 70 thousand pios muslim only one will enter jannah...

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jalillah Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 10 April 2005 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 77	Post Options Post Reply Quote jalillah Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 April 2005 at 10:15am
	[QUOTE=Shamiala] Salam brothers and sisters. i have recently been doing some research regaarding sects in Islam in particular the Sunni and the Shiite. when doing my research i have managed to gather alot of literature with regard to Shiite beliefs. i have not fully identified what the Sunni's believe in yet. if anybody could guide me as to any books or internet websites that may be of use please let me know. Thank you Any help will be much appreciated Allah Hafiz [jalillah/QUOTE's] I have no books for shiite or sunni's but one thing I could say is this its mention in one of the sura's let me first start by saying... bissmillah-hirrahman-nirrahim..allah for give me if I make mistake or error in memorising this verse I'm about to say...as follow that their will be one of the same faith of which they will wage war with one another,shed blood against each other...something along these sentence.. but my understanding of allah words is what allah prevails in his marvelous Quran..is the sunna and his surrah's nothing more or nothing less.. the extra's is optional... sorry I know is in english...inshaallah I hope I'll be able to say it in arabic and memorize by verse.. by the way I thouht to just mention one more thing also allah said that there is 70 thousand pios muslim only one will enter jannah... Edited by jalillah
	May Allah Bless those who seek the truth......Allah Stands Alone in truth..

Israfil Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 08 September 2003 Status: Offline Points: 3984	Post Options Post Reply Quote Israfil Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 April 2005 at 4:47pm
	Bismillah ir-Rahmaan ir-Raheem Praise be to Allah Lord of all the Worlds! I am neither Sunni nor Shiite nor subscribe to any tenants that are categorized as a "sect" in Islam. allah says to not divide ourselves which also includes having names additonal to being Muslim i.e Sunni, Shiite Sufi e.t.c. Though many of you my noble brethren may subscribe to such thoughts just a friendly reminder that we must stand before Allah on the Last Day an explain why we are who we are and why we blong to a sect for Muhamad (Sallah wa Alayhi Wa Salaam) was neither Sunni, nor Shiite nor Sufi. If so what part of this Islam did I miss? So stress the utter importance for reform.

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	Bismillah Salaamun alaykum. No yanabi is a sunni site.

rami Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Male Joined: 01 March 2000 Status: Offline Points: 2549	Post Options Post Reply Quote rami Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 March 2005 at 2:41am
	Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem assalamau alaikum I thought www.yanabi.com was a shia site but could not confirm it since the discussion board seems to be sunni at least in a lot of the sections, the board has so many different topics i get a head ache just looking at the list. Generaly though i like the site, the mutlimedia section is one of the best i have seen has manye xcelent lectures by people like Shakh Hamzah Yusuf.
	Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.

Aliya Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 25 March 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8	Post Options Post Reply Quote Aliya Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 March 2005 at 7:36am
	Bismillah Salaamun alaykum One of the best sites to learn about shia beliefs is www.al-islam.org you can find pretty much anything you want to know about shias on that site. http://www.dartabligh.org/ has a lot of books available online too. I know some sunnis who really like www.yanabi.com but I don't know much about it so if others here do, please comment. Wa Salaam

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	Asalam Aalaikum Dear Brothers It is difficult to trace the exact date when Shias and Sunnis seperated from each other but it is an established fact that the history of Shias and Sunnis is full of civil conflicts. Their are several differences between Shias and Sunnis ,some of those differences are as follows: 1) Shias unlike Sunnis donot accept the Caliphate of the 1st three rightly guided Caliphes (Leaders or Successors),those rightly guided Caliphes are : a)Abu Bakr(Ra) who became the 1st Caliph of Islam after the demise of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh). b)Umar(Ra) who became the next Caliph of Islam after the death of Abu Bakr(Ra). c)Usman(Ra) who became the next Caliph of Islam after the death of Umar(Ra). The 4th Caliph of Islam was Ali(Ra) on whose Caliphate both Shias and Sunnis agreed. Shias claim that after the demise of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh), Ali(Ra) should have become the 1st Caliph of Islam not Abu Bakr(Ra) since according to their concept, Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) before his demise appointed Ali(Ra) as his successor and they support their claim from Sunni Sources of Traditions when required. But Sunnis unlike Shias donot believe in such concepts, they believe that Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) before his demise didnot declare and appoint any one as his successor and the matter of successorship(Leadership) should be settled by mutual consultation(Shurah). Shias believe that Ali(Ra) was appointed as a spiritual Imam(Leader) of the Muslims by Prophet(pbuh) on the wish of Allah(swt) and donot believe in the Concept of mutual consultation (Shura) only on this matter. According to their understanding and viewpoint a chain of Imamate started right after the demise of Prophet(pbuh) which will continue till the day of judgment. Their Imams are 12 in number ,starting from Imam Ali(Ra) and continuing till Imam Mehdi who is the last (12th)Imam of Shias and all these 12 Imams came from the family of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh).Please note that not all Shias believe in these 12 Imams, only Imami(Jaffri)Shias believe in these 12 Imams, other Shias have differences of opinion on the number of Imams. According to their doctrine Imam Mehdi went into occultation(Ghayba) 1000s of years ago and will return before the day of judgment to wipe out evil and injustice from this world. Sunnis on contrary donot believe in this doctrine ,they believe that after the death of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh),the matter of leadership went into the hands of the Muslim Ummah which should be decided by the Muslims through mutual consultation(Shura), in other words we can say that this matter of leadership is political one for Sunnis. Shias practice Matam(Self beating and mourning). Shias have been practicing Matam for Centuries on the death of Imam Hussain(Ra) the 3rd Imam of Shias and the members of his family. They perform Matam to show their love for Imam Hussain(Ra) and his family. Sunnis on contrary donot practice Matam and hold it haram because such acts of self beating and mourning are not supported by any authentic sources of Islam and these acts were performed during the days of ignorance. Shias practice Mutah(Temperory Marriage Contract). This kind of contract marriage is only practiced in Shia sect, no other sect in Islam allows such practice. Mutah(Temperory Marriage Contract) means that a man marries a women for a specific period ,eg for 2 ,3 or 4 years upon which both partners agree. Sunnis donot practice Mutah (Temperory Marriage Contract) and consider it against Shariah, they only believe in Permanent Marriage Contract that takes place between man and women which is generally practiced everywhere. I hope some of these points that I have mentioned clearly show the picture of the difference between Shias and Sunnis. If you are interested about the details of this history. then study the link : www.fordham.edu Regards,
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rami Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Male Joined: 01 March 2000 Status: Offline Points: 2549	Post Options Post Reply Quote rami Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 March 2005 at 2:37am
	Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem assalamu alaikum [QUOTE]sunnipath.com Note that this website is produced by Sufis. Sufis are mostly Sunni Muslims but many Muslims do not agree with some of their doctrines which are mostly in secondary issues not related to the main principles of Islam. What is also annoying about them is that they want to get a monopoly on the Sunni understanding of Islam. So many Muslims like myself are Sunnis but have no relationship with many things that the Sufis believe in or accept[/QUOTE] Sunni path is not a sufi site claiming that it is shows the level of investigation you have carried out and how inacurate your claim really is. It is a Fiqh bassed site answering questions from the hannafi and Shafii madhabs. All the answers given on that site are according to those madhabs. Sufism is the science of Ihsan which is an islamic science seperate from Fiqh. All the answers on the site are according to traditional islamic scholars ie the four madhhabs they are not giving there own personel opinions these are the rulling of the madhahabs. I think you should properly understand what sufism/tasawuf is and its place in islam rather than simply saying "this group made me angry so i dont like them" this is an unaccptable approach to understanding anything let alone an established islamic science ie tassawuf. Tasawuf is the science developed by the scholars to teach moral excelence or rather Ihsan. It is a well established science rooted in the quran and sunnah simply becouse there somegroups out there who call them selves sufi and have wierd practices does not mean this is the normal behaviour of every person who practices this science. Please dont generalise, look to the traditional schools of tasawuuf then judge, becouse all of the great scholrs of islam practised tasawwuf how else could they achieve the high moral standards. Ibn `Abidin relates in his al Durr al mukhtar that Imam Abu Hanifa said: "If it were not for two years, I would have perished." Ibn `Abidin comments: For two years he accompanied Sayyidina Ja`far al-Sadiq and he acquired the spiritual knowledge that made him a gnostic in the Way... Abu `Ali Daqqaq (Imam Qushayri's shaykh) received the path from Abu al-Qasim al-Nasirabadi, who received it from al Shibli, who received it from Sari al-Saqati who received it from al Ma`ruf al Karkhi, who received it from Dawud at Ta'i, who received the knowledge, both the external and the internal, from the Imam Abi Hanifa. Ibn `Abidin, Hashiyat radd al-muhtar `ala al-durr al-mukhtar 1:43. Just as Abu Hanifa and Sufyan al-Thawri implicitly asserted the necessity to follow the Sufi path for acquiring perfection, Imam Malik explicitly enjoined tasawwuf as a duty of scholars in his statement: "He who practices Tasawwuf without learning Sacred Law corrupts his faith, while he who learns Sacred Law without practicing Tasawwuf corrupts himself. Only he who combines the two proves true." It is related by the muhaddith Ahmad Zarruq (d. 899), the hafiz `Ali al-Qari al-Harawi (d. 1014), the muhaddiths `Ali ibn Ahmad al `Adawi (d. 1190) and Ibn `Ajiba (d. 1224), and others. Al-hafiz al-Suyuti relates in Ta'yid al-haqiqa al-`aliyya that Imam al-Shafi`i said: I accompanied the Sufis and received from them but three words: their statement that time is a sword: if you do not cut it, it cuts you; their statement that if you do not keep your ego busy with truth it will keep you busy with falsehood; their statement that deprivation is immunity.¹ The muhaddith al-`Ajluni also relates in his book Kashf al khafa wa muzil al albas that Imam Shafi`i said: Three things in this world have been made lovely to me: avoiding affectation, treating people kindly, and following the way of tasawwuf.² ¹ Suyuti, Ta'yid al-haqiqa al-`aliyya p. 15 ² al-`Ajluni, Kashf al-khafa wa muzil al-albas 1:341 (#1089). I will not make this post any longer but i can easily quote more islamic scholars on this subject. The situation is as Imam Malik said those who practice Tassawuf with out knowing Fiqh are those who have been corupted and we see these people all over the muslim world claiming to be sufi's. From Imam Maliks words we can also see the standard of scholars at Sunnipath.com they are the ones who have combined the two. Edited by rami
	Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.