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Sawtul Khilafah
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What proof do you have that they even existed? Maybe they were just inventions of the media |
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Tom123
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What proof do you have that the South Korean government is trying to convert Afghans to Christianity? What proof do you have that these aid workers were working for the South Korean or American government? What proof do you have that they were actually verbally trying to convert people? Show me that these people were working for the South Korean government and trying to bribe children (as you accused them of in your previous post) to convert to Christianity and we can talk.
Actually Al Qaeda in Iraq and the Taleban in Afghanistan claim to be fighting for Islam and want to convert everyone in Afghanistan and Iraq or run them out or worse and they are simultaneously bombing and shooting people (as well as torturing and beheading them). So I guess it is possible after all! Cristo Vive! - Tomasz Edited by Tom123 |
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Sawtul Khilafah
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South Korea sent troops to Afghanistan (as did the United States) then sent missionaries to convert. Obviously, everyone does their own job. One man doesnt plan, bomb, shoot and convert people at the same time! |
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Are you saying that the South Korean aid workers invaded Afghanistan? Cristo Vive! - Tomasz |
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Tom123
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Happy Ramadan to you as well, Palistin. I don't share your religion but I pray that God blesses you with peace and guidance during this season and throughout your life. You have shown a video of some fanatics who lie and try to bribe people and claim to be doing it in the name of Christ. Some so-called 'christian missionaries' do that. Most others don't. Have you heard of Mennonite Central Committee? Development and Peace? ChristianAid? Lutheran World Relief? Christian Peacemaker Teams? These and many other Christian groups operate in parts of the world where there is great poverty and injustice, and they help people around them. They are Christian and are sharing the Gospel with others with their actions and their words too sometimes. They do not bribe anyone. They do not demonize anyone. For the most part they are highly respected by the people they help and work with, Christians and nonChristians. They speak out against imperialist US policies as loudly as you do, if not more. So don't put all Christian missionaries and aid workers in the same category. Lastly, the video you showed is about US missionaries in Iraq. The people who were kidnapped, beaten and some murdered were South Koreans and they were in Afghanistan. They did not even verbally preach the Gospel but helped deliver medical aid and organized recreation activities for kids. They had nothing to do with the zealots in Iraq. BTW aren't there Muslim missionaries in Iraq, trying to convert people to Islam? Didn't you know that Iraq also has thousands of Christians, and Christianity in Iraq predates Islam? In Iraq, are Iraqi Christians allowed to share their faith with others like Iraqi Muslims are? Or is prosyletizing only OK for Muslims? Cristo Vive! - Tomasz |
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Sawtul Khilafah
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They invade our countries, kill thousands of people making tens of thousands of children homeless and orphans. Then they gather the poor and the orphans who dont even know how to read or write and have little or no idea what religion they belong to and convert them by giving them a few gifts. |
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IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE BENEFICIENT, THE MERCIFUL. HAPPY RAMADAN! I just couldn�t resist to lend few words on the topic; thought I have read the entire responses, I just think that you either have to be too ignorant or a hypocrite to be an oblivious to the sheer deceitfulness of these so called humanitarian workers who�s only agenda is to convert and lure, and have absolutely no respect for human life what so ever. After having studied the movement, I have come to realized that war and the entity are in- separable. I hope iam not being too harsh but the hypocrisy of those serpent missionaries who have not only blessed slavery, but are the sole perpetuators� of war and misery in this world AS WE SPEAK . Like they say, pictures speak louder than words. Here is a bit of reality check for the author of the post and for those who defend the so-called humanitarian workers. Radical Christian Missionaries in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owCXbDVTLRE peace
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Tom123
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We agree on everything. Even if you don't help people just to make yourself 'feel good' though, Israfil, you do feel so after you help them, don't you? Not necessarily 'aww... I'm such a nice person' feeling but you do feel some satisfaction after seeing someone benefiting from something good you've done, even if you don't want to feel that way. This may be one of the things we have in common. I also don't go out to help people so people can see 'what a nice person I am' (I'm not) or to get something back from them or to feel 'good about myself'. I also feel that if someone needs help I have a responsibility and duty to help them, perhaps like in your case, my conviction comes from my faith. When I start feeling 'good' about myself for helping someone, I also do my best to push these thoughts aside and have been getting better at it. I'll actually say 'in Christ's name, go away Satan'. I believe that such thoughts are actually sinful b/c they are pride, and I don't believe we should be proud of ourselves because we are all sinners and only God is perfect, secondly when we help someone we don't do anything extraordinary except living out our faith. I don't deserve any blessings from God, I believe as a Christian He has already given me the ultimate blessing on the cross so I have no reason to ask for more.
Thanks, Israfil. I don't hate Muslims or think Islam is violent or demonic like some do, though to be honest with you I also don't believe that it is correct in all its teachings (as I'm sure you feel about Christianity and other faiths). In terms of the 'antichrist' word, the New Testament does say that people who deny that Jesus is from God (1 John 4:3), who deny 'the Father and the Son' (1 John 2:22), who deny Jesus Christ 'coming in the flesh' (2 John 1:7) (Christians believe Jesus was God in flesh when He walked on the earth) is 'an' antichrist. I know that as a Muslim you see this as offensive, though the Quran also has passages that would offend many Christians- like where it says that those who believe Jesus Son of Mary is God (which happens to be what Christians believe) are 'blasphemers'. So in terms of the word 'antichrist' being applied by some Christians, it does have some Biblical background although their behaviour does not. Christians are told to be loving towards others, to be humble and patient, not to judge or condemn others, and to look for logs in our own eyes before we point out the specks in those of others. None of these traits apply to most of the televangelists who go around bashing Muslims. I don't see how labelling someone an 'antichrist' would be helpful in discussion with him or her, especially if we want to share our faith with them. John does not tell Christians to run around condemning and insulting people and he does not call anyone an antichrist to his face. The term is used to denote people who deny Christian beliefs, but nowhere do the disciples go around calling people antichrists. I think a comparison can be made with the word 'blasphemer' in the Quran. Muslims may believe it applies to non-Muslims who believe in the Trinity but in a friendly discussion with a Christian where both of you are conducting yourselves in a respectful manner you aren't probably going to yell 'you blasphemer!' at him or her. I think there are many good and true things in Islam and I have a lot of respect for many Muslims, even if I believe that on certain issues you are mistaken. I believe that many of the vociferous and disgusting attacks on islambashing engaged in by certain 'christian' religious leaders like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Anne Coulter, others...are usually wrong, often unjust, almost always hypocritical, and always unChristian.
Can you show me where, please? I wouldn't be surprised if that was true but I'm curious to see what he actually wrote. The reason I'm saying this is sometimes the media misquotes people. I certainly had a lot of issues with Pope John Paul 2 but I think he was far more respectful towards Muslims than Ratzinger and he built many bridges with Muslims which sadly the new Pope is now destroying. Cristo Vive! - Tomasz |
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