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Originally posted by Friendship Friendship wrote:

Assalamu alaikum.

Brother abusait.

........... Every thing is governed by the Sunna. Unfortuantely we do not have a Central Authority (Khalifate) to enforce it............. 
 
Wa Alaikum assalam w.r.w.b,
 
You want to enforce it whereas Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'alaa says:
 
    Al-Baqara [2:256]          
لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِن بِاللّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَىَ لاَ انفِصَامَ لَهَا وَاللّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ

2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.



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Originally posted by Friendship Friendship wrote:

Assalamu alaikum.

Abosait.
........... I asked the forum members to tell me when the holy Prophet performed the Istihara salat.
 
Wa alaikum assalam w.r.w.b.
 
Only Allah swt. can answer that question.
 
The forum members can answer only if you ask them whether they have come across any report that the prophet performed Istikhara. 
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Abosait: No use, friendship is apparently convinced that DESPITE authentic ahadith sources, Salaat Istikhara is somthing we made up!!! Members even posted the ahadith !
 
And yea, Friendship, thats just silly - some ahadith do mention 'occasions' etc, but all ahadith tell us about Sunnah do not come with a time and date stamp of when Prophet Muhammad did something. Ahadith tell us that he did - so he did. Prophet Muhammad never taught anything to his companions without demonstrating/practising himself. He did not just preach theory, he practised what he preached.
 
If you believe in the authenticity of Ahadith reports, then it shouldnt be difficult to swallow that Istikhara is Sunnah - however if you dont - thats another matter entirely, and not worth discussing anymore.
 
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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[QUOTE=Ruhi Islam]Salam alaikum ww sisters and brothers
 
I want to know how exactly one is responded to when they pray istikhara. Is it dreams, signs, feelings or obstacles? ...................../QUOTE]
 
Wa alaikum assalam wa rahmatullah.
 
The one making al-Istikharah must also seek the council of People (Istiharah)

The one making al-Istikharah should also seek help from those whom he knows to be righteous and who can give the appropriate advice and it makes no difference whether this is before al-Istikharah or after it. For there is no contradiction whatsoever between al-Istikharah and Istiharah (seeking the advice of the people) because al-Istikharah is from Allah and Istiharah is from the people.

Istikharah is an action based on one's Eeman whereas Istiharah is an action whereby one seeks means. So there is no contradiction between two.

Reliance is an action of the heart, whereas, seeking means is an action of the limbs, which Allah created in order to achieve goals, and this combining actions of the heart and the actions of the limbs  is what is legislated in the Religion of Islam.

As for abandoning the means naming it to be "Tawakkul in Allah" then this is something, which Islam rejects and it is not reliance upon Allah.
 
As for depending on means besides Allah is Shirk without these means. Allah says in the Qur'aan:
 
And consult them in the affair. Then once you have taken the decision, put your trust in Allah, certainly, Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him) [Soorah al-Imran (3): 159]

So Allah the Most High in this verse, combines both seeking the means, which is taking consultation, and the obligation to have reliance on Allah, which is an action of eeman and from the complete characteristics of a believer.
 
Is Istikharah related to Dreams?

The idea behind performing al-Istikharah is that the matter is determined by Allah making the affair easy and Him granting it. So, having a dream or not makes no difference, rather if assumed that one has a dream how does he know that the dream is from the Most Merciful or from shaytaan or from talking souls:

Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) said:
 
Dreams are of three types;
 
    • glad tidings from Allah,
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    • whispering of the soul or
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    • frightening thoughts from Shaytaan.
 
[Saheeh al-Bukharee (eng. trans.) vol.8, no.595 and Saheeh Muslim (eng. trans) vol.4, no.6404]

Unfortunately, contrary to the instructions of the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam), Muslims today depend entirely on the prayer to make their decisions. That is they make the prayer and supplication prior to making any decision, and rely on dreams to provide the answers for them. The prayer is often repeated before sleeping for a set number of days and dream books are consulted to interpret symbols in their dreams. All this has no basis in the methodology taught by the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam). However, this is not to say that a good dream may not be acted upon as a confirmation of a decision, about which istikharah was made

 
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Assalamu alaikum.

The one who believed in learning about Islam must have the appropriate books to rely on. I do not know your indepth knowledge in Islamic Jurisprudence. Cross check your facts from the books written in Arabic on Usul hadith, Ulum al hadith and Mustalahal hadith to convince yourself that you are wrong. There is a book in English language titled 'Hadith methodolgy and literature written by Professor Mustapha M. Azami. Try to read it if you cannot get the Arabic books. Also read the writings of Abul Ala Maududi and Ali Al Nadwi. If we do not have a common platform you cannot understand me and I cannot understand you. KNOW THAT THERE IS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HADITH AND sUNNA. I am after the Sunna and not necessarily the hadith. I am not arguing, but just trying to tell you what I read as authentic. The forum is meant for tutorials and not for insult. Know that anyone who insults the one trying to tell the truth is insulting Muhammad Rasulullah!
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Originally posted by Friendship Friendship wrote:

Assalamu alaikum.

.......... KNOW THAT THERE IS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HADITH AND sUNNA. I am after the Sunna and not necessarily the hadith..............................


Wa alaikum assalam wa Rahmatullah.

No doubt THERE IS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HADITH AND sUNNA. But where do you look for the Sunnah?

Hadith literature is the largest and most important source which records the biography, history and the exemplary life of the Prophet Muhammad (sws) as well as his invaluable explanations of various issues of religion.


So if you are after the Sunnah you will have to come to the authentic books of Hadith.

 

A Hadith must be understood with reference to the instance and occasion of the topic it records.

 

What was the occasion on which it was said?

 

What was the background in which it was said?

 

 Who were the addressees?

 

If one does not address these questions in interpreting a Hadith, on many occasions one fails to get to the right interpretation.







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Assalamu alaikum.

Brother.

Your remarks made feel as if I am in Firdaus. Yes, at least there are Muslims who if given power on the land can establish the Sunna!
I hope your neighbours - the two sisters will agree will you!. Yes, your townsman Professor Mustapha Al Azami of Madina University gave a summary of what you said. If on the other hand you have Arabic books on hadith, you do not need the book of Professor Mustapha Azami.
Therefore my argument "when did Prophet Muhammad or any of the Sahabas ever performed Istikhara is a valid question". If one feels to do it it is his own Ijtihad. He will have a reward. But if I refused to do it according to my own Ijtihad, I will have two rewards.
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Whats your problem "friendship" When we have saying of our prophet, why do you deny to accept it. There's  an ayah of holy Qur'an which supports this hadith. ---- "  and consult them in the affairs. Then when you have taken a decision, put your trust in Allah, certainly, Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him)" Likewise while isteqarah we consult Allah swt for our affairs. Certainly, our sahabas must have done this. InshaAllah, shall present you very soon.
 
Till then show me a single stance wherein you find Prophet SAWS OR ANY OF OUR SAHABAS DENYING CONSULTANCE WITH ALLAH SWT.
 
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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