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 Posted: 26 June 2008 at 2:33pm |
name  /neɪm/ - [neym] - noun, verb, named, nam�ing, adjective
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a word or a combination of words by which a person, place, or thing, a body or class, or any object of thought is designated, called, or known. |
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mere designation, as distinguished from fact: He was a king in name only. |
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an appellation, title, or epithet, applied descriptively, in honor, abuse, etc. |
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a reputation of a particular kind given by common opinion: to protect one's good name. |
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a distinguished, famous, or great reputation; fame: to make a name for oneself. |
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a widely known or famous person; celebrity: She's a name in show business. |
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an unpleasant or derogatory appellation or expression: Don't call your brother names! Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me. |
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a personal or family name as exercising influence or bringing distinction: With that name they can get a loan at any bank in town. |
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a body of persons grouped under one name, as a family or clan. |
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the verbal or other symbolic representation of a thing, event, property, relation, or concept. |
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(initial capital letter) a symbol or vehicle of divinity: to take the Name in vain; the power of the Name. | �verb (used with object)
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to give a name to: to name a baby. |
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to accuse: He was named as the thief. |
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to call by an epithet: They named her speedy. |
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to identify, specify, or mention by name: Three persons were named in the report. |
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to designate for some duty or office; nominate or appoint: I have named you for the position. |
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to specify; suggest: Name a price. |
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to give the name of: Can you name the capital of Ohio? |
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British. (in the House of Commons) to cite (a member) for contempt. | �adjective
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famous; widely known: a name author. |
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designed for or carrying a name. |
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giving its name or title to a collection or anthology containing it: the name piece. |
Edited by believer - 26 June 2008 at 2:34pm
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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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robin
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Posted: 26 June 2008 at 1:03am |
 honeto wrote:
Robin,
I know when things are made clear and make sense, one way to deny them is to accuse me of having less knowledge??
Read, it does not say titles. It says HIS NAME , NAME IMMANUAL.
Let me repeat, it does not say his title will be. Read it says his name, Immanual.
Hasan |
Face facts Hasan; lack of knowledge leads to misunderstandings for anyone:-
Proverbs 1:5
A wise person will listen and take in more instruction, and a man of understanding is the one who acquires skillful direction,
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honeto
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Posted: 25 June 2008 at 6:20pm |
Robin,
I know when things are made clear and make sense, one way to deny them is to accuse me of having less knowledge??
Read, it does not say titles. It says HIS NAME , NAME IMMANUAL.
Let me repeat, it does not say his title will be. Read it says his name, Immanual.
Hasan
Edited by honeto - 25 June 2008 at 6:25pm
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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robin
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Posted: 25 June 2008 at 12:22am |
honeto wrote:
Robin,
you insist; "This does not mean, however, that the Messiah�s name would actually be Immanuel.
Now if we look at the quote, the words are more clear than that:
It says: "and shall call his name Immanuel."
Hasan |
Your lack of Bible knowledge is showing again Hasan!
Jesus Christ in the Bible has about a 120 differing titles:-
The Word
The Lamb
Shilo
Saviour
The Lord
First & Last
Michael
Rabbi
Lord of lords
King of kings
Son of God
Son of Man
Abbadon
Apollyon
Prince of peace
The Twig
The Shepherd
The Loin of the tribe of Judea
The Leader
The Judge
Angel of the abyss
The Seed
Comander etc. etc.
to name but a few!
Edited by robin - 25 June 2008 at 12:25am
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honeto
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Posted: 24 June 2008 at 6:20pm |
Robin,
you insist; "This does not mean, however, that the Messiah�s name would actually be Immanuel.
Now if we look at the quote, the words are more clear than that:
It says: "and shall call his name Immanuel."
Hasan
Edited by honeto - 24 June 2008 at 6:24pm
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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robin
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Posted: 23 June 2008 at 9:24am |
believer wrote:
Question: "Why wasn't Jesus named Immanuel?"
Answer: In the prophecy of the virgin birth, Isaiah 7:14, the prophet Isaiah declared, "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call Him Immanuel." This prophecy refers to the birth of Jesus in Matthew 1:22-23, "All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 'The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel' which means, 'God with us.'" This does not mean, however, that the Messiah�s name would actually be Immanuel.
There are many names given to Jesus using the phrase �He shall be called,� both in the Old and New Testaments. This was a common way of saying that people would refer to Him in these various ways. Isaiah prophesied of the Messiah, �His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace� (Isaiah 9:6). None of these titles was Jesus� actual name, but these were descriptions people would use to refer to Him forever. Luke tells us Jesus �shall be called the Son of the Highest� (Luke 1:32) and �son of God� (1:35) and �the prophet of the Highest� (1:76), but none of these was His name.
In two different places, the prophet Jeremiah says in referring to the coming Messiah, �And this is His name by which He shall be called, JEHOVAH, OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS� (Jeremiah 23:5-6; 33:15-16). Now we know that God, the Father, is named Jehovah. Jesus was never actually called Jehovah as though it was His name, but His role was that of bringing the righteousness of Jehovah to those who would believe in Him, exchanging that righteousness for our sin (2 Corinthians 5:21). Therefore, this is one of the many titles or �names� which belong to Him.
In the same way, to say that Jesus would be called "Immanuel" means Jesus is God and that He dwelt among us in His incarnation and that He is always with us. Jesus was God in the flesh. Jesus was God making His dwelling among us (John 1:1,14). No, Jesus' name was not Immanuel, but Jesus was the meaning of Immanuel, "God with us." Immanuel is one of the many titles for Jesus, a description of who He is.
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Because in Jesus case it is a title showing that God was acting towards the Jews via him (Jesus) as His (God's)agent, much like Moses.
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Posted: 23 June 2008 at 1:17am |
_ALI_ wrote:
Salam
Most of the fulfillments of the Bible are given in the Bible itself. So suppose I write a book saying X King will die when he is 42. And in the next page, I write that X king dies at 42. That is not a miracle. Same is the case with the Bible. But supposing that all the prophecies of the Bible are true then giving even 1 unfulfilled prophecy will prove that Bible as a whole is not the word of God. I can give a list of unfulfilled prophecies in the Bible
1- Genesis, Chapter No. 4, Verse No. 12, it says� �God told Cain: you will never be able to settle you will be a wanderer.� Few Verses later on Genesis, Chapter No.4, Verse No.17, says��Cain built up a city� � unfulfilled prophecy.
2- If you read Jeremiah, Chapter No.36, Verse No.30, it says that��Jehoiachin the father of Jehoiachin� no one will be able to sit on his throne - The throne of David, no one will be able to sit after Jehoiachin.� If you read later on, II Kings, Chapter No 24, Verse No 6, it says that� �Jehoiachin after he died, later on Jehoiachin sat on the throne� - Unfulfilled prophecy.
3- One is sufficient to prove it is not the word of God - I can give plenty. If you read Ezekiel, Chapter No 26, it says that��Nebuchader, he will destroyed Tyre.� We come to know that Alexander the great, was the person who destroyed Tyre - Unfulfilled prophecy.
4- Isaiah, Chapter No. 7, Verse No 14, says, prophesying of��The coming of a person who will be born to a virgin - his name shall be Emmanuel.� They say� the Christians - it refers to Jesus Christ peace be upon him. Born to a virgin - the Hebrew word there is �amla�, which means not �a virgin�- �a young lady.� The word for �virgin� in Hebrew is, �baitula�, which is not there. Even if you agree - we are using concordance - we agree� �Virgin�� �Virgin� - No problem. It says� �He will be called Immanuel.� No where in the Bible is Jesus Christ peace be upon him, is called as Immanuel - Unfulfilled prophecy.
I can give several, plenty unfulfilled prophecies - One is sufficient to prove the Bible wrong - I have given a few. " |
Just to be going on with:-
2- If you read Jeremiah, Chapter No.36, Verse No.30, it says that��Jehoiachin the father of Jehoiachin� no one will be able to sit on his throne - The throne of David, no one will be able to sit after Jehoiachin.� If you read later on, II Kings, Chapter No 24, Verse No 6, it says that� �Jehoiachin after he died, later on Jehoiachin sat on the throne� - Unfulfilled prophecy.
JEHOIAKIM EXPERIENCED A DISGRACEFUL DEATH AND WAS NOT BURIED IN THE TOMBS OF THE KINGS AT JERUSALEM, NO MORE THAN AN ASS WOULD BE. (JER. 22:18, 19) HIS SON JEHOIACHIN (OR, CONIAH) REIGNED ONLY THREE MONTHS AND 10 DAYS IN JERUSALEM AND THEN SURRENDERED TO THE BABYLONIANS AND WAS DEPORTED TO BABYLON, FROM WHERE HE DID NOT RETURN. (JER. 22:24-30; 37:1) DOWN TO THE DESTRUCTION OF THE REBUILT CITY OF JERUSALEM BY THE ROMANS IN 70 C.E., NO DESCENDANT OF JEHOIACHIN, THE SON OF JEHOIAKIM, THE KING OF JUDAH, MOUNTED A ROYAL THRONE IN JERUSALEM. JEREMIAH�S PROPHETIC WORDS, WRITTEN IN HIS UNDERGROUND LOCATION, DID NOT FAIL TO COME TRUE!
3- One is sufficient to prove it is not the word of God - I can give plenty. If you read Ezekiel, Chapter No 26, it says that��Nebuchader, he will destroyed Tyre.� We come to know that Alexander the great, was the person who destroyed Tyre - Unfulfilled prophecy.
According to the Jewish historian Josephus, the Babylonian siege of Tyre lasted 13 years. (Josephus, Against Apion, Book I, Chapter 21) History does not record how effective Nebuchadnezzar�s efforts were, although the loss of Tyrian property and lives must have been great. A later prophetic pronouncement through Zechariah indicated that God would destroy the city completely. (Zechariah 9:3, 4) This prophecy was fulfilled nearly 200 years after it was given. By then those living in the nearby island city of Tyre felt secure behind its formidable walls. However, in 332 B.C.E., the forces of Alexander the Great overthrew that island city, using debris from mainland Tyre to build a causeway leading to the island part of Tyre (as Tyre was in two parts, mainland part and island pert). Since then this artificial peninsula has been enlarged by sand deposited there by the water. Moreover, in the present seaport village, fishermen can be seen drying their nets�another fulfillment of prophecy. Certainly, Jehovah�s Word is sure!
Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the mainland half of the city of tyre but never got to the Island part (Alexander did) thus he did not destroy the city!!!!
Prophecy fulfilled
4- Isaiah, Chapter No. 7, Verse No 14, says, prophesying of��The coming of a person who will be born to a virgin - his name shall be Emmanuel.� They say� the Christians - it refers to Jesus Christ peace be upon him. Born to a virgin - the Hebrew word there is �amla�, which means not �a virgin�- �a young lady.� The word for �virgin� in Hebrew is, �baitula�, which is not there. Even if you agree - we are using concordance - we agree� �Virgin�� �Virgin� - No problem. It says� �He will be called Immanuel.�
No where in the Bible is Jesus Christ peace be upon him, is called as Immanuel - Unfulfilled prophecy.
MATTHEW 1:18-23
DURING THE TIME HIS MOTHER MARY WAS PROMISED IN MARRIAGE TO JOSEPH, SHE WAS FOUND TO BE PREGNANT BY HOLY SPIRIT BEFORE THEY WERE UNITED. 19 HOWEVER, JOSEPH HER HUSBAND, BECAUSE HE WAS RIGHTEOUS AND DID NOT WANT TO MAKE HER A PUBLIC SPECTACLE, INTENDED TO DIVORCE HER SECRETLY. 20 BUT AFTER HE HAD THOUGHT THESE THINGS OVER, LOOK! JEHOVAH�S ANGEL APPEARED TO HIM IN A DREAM, SAYING: �JOSEPH, SON OF DAVID, DO NOT BE AFRAID TO TAKE MARY YOUR WIFE HOME, FOR THAT WHICH HAS BEEN BEGOTTEN IN HER IS BY HOLY SPIRIT. 21 SHE WILL GIVE BIRTH TO A SON, AND YOU MUST CALL HIS NAME JESUS, FOR HE WILL SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS.� 22 ALL THIS ACTUALLY CAME ABOUT FOR THAT TO BE FULFILLED WHICH WAS SPOKEN BY JEHOVAH THROUGH HIS PROPHET, SAYING: 23 �LOOK! THE VIRGIN WILL BECOME PREGNANT AND WILL GIVE BIRTH TO A SON, AND THEY WILL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,� WHICH MEANS, WHEN TRANSLATED, �WITH US IS GOD.�
Prophecy fulfilled
Edited by robin - 23 June 2008 at 1:25pm
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Posted: 22 June 2008 at 8:25am |
robin wrote:
OUTSTANDING PROPHECIES IN THE BIBLE CONCERNING JESUS AND THEIR FULFILLMENT
Prophecy then fulfillment
Gen. 49:10 Born of the tribe of Judah
Matt. 1:2-16
Luke 3:23-33
Heb. 7:14
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