Crucifixion of Jesus

Caringheart wrote: Greetings BMZSP,This raises for me the question...just why do you think the Jews wanted Yshwe crucified?asalaam,Caringheart

Wassalaam, Caringheart

Jesus had challenged the authority of the hierarchy of the Sadducees and the Pharisees, had ridiculed and outsmarted them.

The Romans also took note of that and feared a revolution like the one under bar Kochba.

Both wanted him taken out. I believe it was then that God saved Jesus and delivered him to safety.

Jesus did show a few miracles but he did not do those on his own and he was not showing miracles night and day.

He had no power to do that. It was God, who worked those miracles through him. It means the power of God worked the miracles.

Jesus IS NOT on record for making any of the following statements openly and publicly himself:

"I am the Son of God."

"I am God in flesh" or "I am God in person."

"I am God incarnate."

"I am the Father".

"I am God" or "I am God almighty" .

" I am the Messiah that you have waited for long."

To say that Jesus was sinless is ridiculous as it shows as if all the Prophets of God were sinful and only this man was sinless.

If he had said "I am God" or "I am the Father", he would either have lost his head or would have been stoned to pulp straight away.

That Jesus was the Son of God or God, is a post-Jesus fraud by the Church founded by pagans, long after he was gone.

Yes, it's very had to understand how a book, the Quran, written 600 years after the event can seemingly change historical facts well attested in history.

Well, one supposes the only way to do this is to claim supernatural revelation but of course as soon as you do that one can claim almost anythng as truth.

Muslim75 wrote: Jesus did not die on the cross, and Jesus did not die for anybody.   There are those wicked ones who spread these outrageous lies about Jesus Christ.   Worship the Jews, if you believe they killed him.   Ask his father about his whereabouts when they killed him, if you believe he was the son of God.

Isaiah 53:12 says; "Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great, and He will divide the booty with the strong; because He poured out Himself to death, and was numbered with the transgressors; yet He Himself bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors."

There are scores of prophecies about the Messiah in the Old Testament. Some refer to his first coming and some refer to his second coming. Every one of them has either been fulfilled or will be when he comes again. Regarding his crucifixion, here are a couple more examples.

Betrayal by a close friend is spoken of in Psalm 41:9; "Even my close friend, in whom I trusted, who ate my bread, has lifted up his heel against me." Judas, one of his intimate circle and called as an apostle, betrayed Jesus to the Jewish government. (See Luke 22:47-48)

Silence in the face of accusations was prophesied in Isaiah 53:7; "He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He did not open His mouth; like a lamb that is led to slaughter, and like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, so He did not open His mouth." Mark 15:4 says; "And Pilate was questioning Him again, saying, 'Do You make no answer? See how many charges they bring against You!' But Jesus made no further answer; so that Pilate was amazed."

One final example is that the Messiah would suffer no broken bones. "He keeps all his bones; not one of them is broken." (Psalm 34:20) Listen to the fulfillment in John 19:32-33; "The soldiers therefore came, and broke the legs of the first man, and of the other man who was crucified with Him; but coming to Jesus, when they saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs."

Yes, the tender love of God is one lesson but there are others. Jesus also gave us a key to understanding grace when he said to the good thief; "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise." (Luke 23:43) Scripture teaches us that we are saved by grace and not by works and this is a perfect example of that. There was no time left for the thief to do anything in the way of making up for his sins or turning his life around. Yet Jesus told him TODAY he would be with him in paradise. It was the thief's heart condition that gave him instant access to eternity in heaven.

There is one more powerful analogy I see as I look at the three crosses. Jesus is in the middle, at the very center of God's plan for redemption. Who is he? "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." (John 14:6)