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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:


Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

Caringheart you really are an obnoxious person if I were to meet you in real life I think I would punch you in the face!
Abu,and all of your outspoken beliefs on the faith of others are never to be construed as obnoxious?How about simple free speech?You have no problem stating your beliefs, and who has threatened you for them?CH


Caringheart,
of course each one of us have different level of tolerance and reaction. But I remember you came to this forum saying you want to learn about Islam, and now we know with your posts your real intentions that you insult Islam and our beloved prophet (pbuh) on a regular bases and some times we loose patience with you. And I know we should control that as a Muslim. May God Almighty give us patience against you and those like you who are not interested in truth nor guidance rather to put down Islam and to misguide others.
You could not even explain nor prove basics of your belief, let alone to preach others with your wolf behavior in sheep clothing.
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Edited by honeto - 25 November 2012 at 4:14pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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As'alaamu Alaikkum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu
 
5) Does everybody needs to become Muslims to be saved?
 
Yes.
 
As previously discussed, the Jews have earned the anger of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala and the Christians are astray with the doctrine of the Trinity. For these reasons Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala sent down the final revelation to the final Prophet who is Muhammad (Salallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) as a mercy to mankind. Muhammad's (Salallhu Alayhi Wa Sallam) Ummah or community is the only religion that is follwing the monotheism of Ibrahim (Alayhi Wa Sallam). Therefore, one must obey what has been ordered in the Holy Qur'an and what has been tasked to Muhammad (Salallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam).
 

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And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds. 21:107

And this [Qur'an] is a Book We have revealed [which is] blessed, so follow it and fear Allah that you may receive mercy. 6:155

They say, "Be Jews or Christians [so] you will be guided." Say, "Rather, [we follow] the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists." 2:135

Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) said in the interpretation of the Ayah reported:"You are the best of peoples ever raised up for (the benefit of) mankind..." (3:110): The best for mankind are those who bring them with chains round their necks till they embrace Islam (and thereby save them from the eternal punishment in the Hell-fire, and make them enter Jannah in the Hereafter)."

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The Prophet ( ) said, "Allah will say, 'O Adam!. Adam will reply, 'Labbaik and Sa`daik (I respond to Your Calls, I am obedient to Your orders), wal Khair fi Yadaik (and all the good is in Your Hands)!' Then Allah will say (to Adam), Bring out the people of the Fire.' Adam will say, 'What (how many) are the people of the Fire?' Allah will say, 'Out of every thousand (take out) nine-hundred and ninetynine (persons).' At that time children will become hoary-headed and every pregnant female will drop her load (have an abortion) and you will see the people as if they were drunk, yet not drunk; But Allah's punishment will be very severe." That news distressed the companions of the Prophet ( ) too much, and they said, "O Allah's Messenger ( ) ! Who amongst us will be that man (the lucky one out of one-thousand who will be saved from the Fire)?" He said, "Have the good news that one-thousand will be from Gog and Magog, and the one (to be saved will be) from you." The Prophet ( ) added, "By Him in Whose Hand my soul is, I Hope that you (Muslims) will be one third of the people of Paradise." On that, we glorified and praised Allah and said, "Allahu Akbar." The Prophet ( ) then said, "By Him in Whose Hand my soul is, I hope that you will be one half of the people of Paradise, as your (Muslims) example in comparison to the other people (non-Muslims), is like that of a white hair on the skin of a black ox, or a round hairless spot on the foreleg of a donkey."
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As'alaamu Alaikkum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa barakatuhu
4) How can you say that the God of the Christians and Jews is the God of the Qur'an?
Muhsin Khan
 
Say (O Muhammad Peace be upon him) to the Jews and Christians, "Dispute you with us about Allah while He is our Lord and your Lord? And we are to be rewarded for our deeds and you for your deeds. And we are sincere to Him in worship and obedience (i.e. we worship Him Alone and none else, and we obey His Orders)." 2:139
So if they dispute with you (Muhammad SAW) say: "I have submitted myself to Allah (in Islam), and (so have) those who follow me." And say to those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and to those who are illiterates (Arab pagans): "Do you (also) submit yourselves (to Allah in Islam)?" If they do, they are rightly guided; but if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message; and Allah is All-Seer of (His ) slaves. 3:20
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Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:


Believe it or not I was being light hearted as my dark humour can be misunderstood. I would never hit a person intentionally and the Prophet has forbidden for people to hit others on the face.
 
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "If somebody fights (or beats somebody) then he should avoid the face."



I believe you.  Thank you.  Humor is not always easy to discern on the internet.  We grow in understanding.

Salaam,
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Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

 
Believe it or not I was being light hearted as my dark humour can be misunderstood. I would never hit a person intentionally and the Prophet has forbidden for people to hit others on the face.
 
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "If somebody fights (or beats somebody) then he should avoid the face."

 
Salam Abu,
 
You should practice the principle in your writing. You should nice to everyone regarding thir believe, by choosing the nice word.
Salam/Peace,

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"1/3 of your stomach for food, 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"
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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:

Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

Caringheart you really are an obnoxious person if I were to meet you in real life I think I would punch you in the face!


Abu,

and all of your outspoken beliefs on the faith of others are never to be construed as obnoxious?
How about simple free speech?
You have no problem stating your beliefs, and who has threatened you for them?

CH
 
Believe it or not I was being light hearted as my dark humour can be misunderstood. I would never hit a person intentionally and the Prophet has forbidden for people to hit others on the face.
 
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "If somebody fights (or beats somebody) then he should avoid the face."
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Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

You know what? I've changed my mind I'm not going to apologise any more. Those terms are in the Holy Qur'an and I am happy to use it against people who do not believe in Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. People who are hurt by it then tough, grow up and be a man.
It looks like there's only 3 people defending Islam on this forum from the crusading Christians. Myself, Beebok and Mahdi the Seeker.
 
Perhaps you may what to defer "defending Islam" to the other three for a while.
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