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Gulliver 
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 Posted: 09 April 2009 at 11:48am |
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What's a whoremonger ? Like a pimp ?
And those poor little dogs, Servie. What harm do they do ? You are evil and gonna burn in hellll.
That deodorant is absolutely mingin,' worse than the BO you dirty clat.
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Gulliver
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Posted: 09 April 2009 at 11:39am |
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Interesting verses.
�The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto; but if a person forgives and makes peace, his reward rests with God; He loves not those who do wrong.�
(al-Shura 42: 40) �Good and evil can never be equal. Repel (evil) with that which is better, and see how, then, someone between whom and you was enmity shall become a true friend. Yet none is given such goodness except those who are patient; none is give this but the most fortunate.� (al-Fussilat 41: 34-5) |
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Servetus
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Posted: 09 April 2009 at 11:24am |
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Act 1 Scene Two "Hear ye, hear ye," saith little Servie with a megaphone, the town crier who ill-advisedly smoked a hooka with the caterpillar and was thus catapulted back in time to John Calvin's Geneva. Here is a daily reading from holy writ: "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established ... The authorities that exist have been established by God ... For [the ruler] is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer ..." (Romans 13:1-4) Now, stating it in the King's English, bring out your sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers and idolaters and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie (Rev 22:15) and let them face the executioner, that is to say, the ruler, here in the public square. And let them, as St. Paul says, be afraid; let them, in fact, be very afraid! {Break for one-minute deodorant advert.} Serv _____________________________ Help! My so-called culture is trying to subtly convince me to become a hermaphrodite!
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Shasta'sAunt
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Posted: 09 April 2009 at 9:43am |
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"Again, especially for you, Doo-bop -
No, "Islam does not call for their execution" " ------Ok, let's assume what you're saying is true. If Islam does not call for their execution, what does it call for?"
Not their death, as was pretty clear from The Quran and Islamic schools of thought. Islamically, whenever something is unclear we should always revert back to The Quran. Nope, no death penalty there, just punishment for adultery.
I'm sorry, what was the punishment for homosexuality in Christianity again? The exact words of Jesus regarding the subject, please.
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Shasta'sAunt
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Posted: 09 April 2009 at 8:54am |
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"Incidentally, nobody has said that the Quran orders muslims to kill homosexuals. I don't know where you got the idea someone had....or was that just another piece of obfuscation from yourself?
Now you are saying that, under Islam, homosexuals are to be punished as adulterers. Are you saying that adulterers are not to be punished by death?"
Didn't you write this:
"And now we can say that this muslim preacher is a true follower of Islam, at least in the matter of homosexual practice. Islam orders the death penalty for homosexuals.
And since Islam orders it, muslims must want it, and do their best to bring about the necessary conditions to enforce it.........."
The Quran is Islam.
"What a hotch-potch of utter confusion! One says this, another says that."
Mock the madhabs all you want but not one called for the death of homosexuals. As for punishment in The Quran for adultery:
24:2 (Y. Ali) The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
What is the punishment in the Bible for adultery?
Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."
Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death." Leviticus 21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." What was the Jewish view:
"Idolatry, murder, and
So once again the Jewish and Christians call for death, while Islam calls for 100 lashes. 100 lashes may be a severe punishment but at least it's not stoning to death, strangulation until death, or being burned alive....
"And yes, I would say that your last two paragaphs are interesting, as you say. Interesting as a piece of deception, sadly. Christians do not ignore the fact, as you falsely claim, that God, under the terms of the Mosaic covenant with Israel, commands the death penalty for those who engage in homosexual activity. But the New Covenant is not a theocracy as the Old Covenant was (and as Islam claims to be). If I see someone commit a crime, do I arrest him and bring him to the church to be tried, convicted and sentenced? No, I report him to the police, who will refer him to the judiciary because the church has no authority to deal with criminals in terms of civil or criminal law. It is the state which deals with this. Individuals, now or in the past, who have tried to accord the church this level of authority, are in serious error." Where or when did Jesus tell people to forget everything that God had told them before? I guess the Old Testament is fine for pointing out what may or may not be a prophesy of Jesus, but any commands from God or any of that God is One stuff not so much..... It must be nice to get to pick and choose what you want to believe: we'll just take the easy stuff with lot's of sinning but no real punishment please....
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Doo-bop
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Posted: 09 April 2009 at 3:43am |
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Jamal Morelli wrote:-
"Anyone following the thread can go back and see: You said you wanted to know about one particular man being a true follower of Islam (or truly following, whatever). You seemed quite clear and insistent you wanted a simple answer to that, adopting a nagging tone about the simple answer you were seeking. Well, it was answered: No." ----Ok, Jamal, if you say so. The man is not a muslim.
"So, having your answer, you've abandoned Believer's original question of whether a particular person was a true follower.... and now "we" are interested in "getting to the bottom" of what "Islam" calls for regarding homosexuals." ------Well you see, that's what I thought it was about. I did not think it was really about whether the man was a muslim or not ie. a true follower of Islam. I thought it was related to one issue. I thought the questioner was asking if this man was telling the truth about Islam's punishment for homosexual practice. But I could have been wrong...
"Simply, Islam does not call for the deaths of homosexuals by stoning. More details: You will find no absolutely universal answers to questions of Islamic law, since there are four major different schools of Islamic jurisprudence which evolved from the Quran, hadith, sunna, etc. and we have no Pope to chew our moral dilemmas and then spoon-feed them back for us from Ecumenical Councils. No matter what any Shiekh says: The doors of Ijtihad are re-opened every generation, no matter who wants them shut." ------So just making it up as you go along, eh? That's what humans have always done. It certainly doesn't sound anything like the law of God to me. God is absolute. Like I said, your system is totally confused and contradictory, and yet muslims are working hard to enforce it world-wide (God help us)
"For example, Irshad Manji is "a Muslim voice of reform" who sees a place for homosexuality within Islam.
Now, she doesn't speak for "Islam" any more than the UK's "preacher of hate" - but they are both operating in the milieu of Islam. Again, especially for you, Doo-bop - No, "Islam does not call for their execution" " ------Ok, let's assume what you're saying is true. If Islam does not call for their execution, what does it call for?
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"Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" - John the Baptizer (John 1:29)
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honeto
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Posted: 08 April 2009 at 3:59pm |
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Every human society and social system has to have some rule of law, and if we look around they do. Man made systems tend to flex and change those laws as they do. All devine based laws don't go through trial and error. We see that Quran and what we have left with of the older revelations suggest very clear punishments for crimes, including homosexuality. Now we can change our view about it, but if we believe in those scriptures we must live by them or trade them for something that is pleasing to our eyes, until we return to the one who has given us those rules to live by. If He has said to punish those who were involve in such practices, he will punish them, no neighborly love will avail anything, except forgiveness from God for who repent and guard themselves from such deads.
I can live by rejection by those who don't like this act to be called punishable, as it is so in the sight of God. But we cannot afford the rejection by Him, in whose's hand is my life, here and in the hereafter.
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Gulliver
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Posted: 08 April 2009 at 11:43am |
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Muhammad (p) Q: I'd like to be raised on the Day of Judgement in the light.
A: Don't wrong your self or any other creature, and you will be raised on the Day of Judgement in the light." �Read thine (own) record: In the Light of that knowledge, I wonder how we judge our selves and each other.
Allah is oft forgiving, most Merciful.
It's something we will answer for ourselves.
"Wish for you brother what you wish for yourself."
I wonder.
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Khaleel Mohammed, an imam and professor of Islam at San Diego State University, wrote in his foreword to Manji's book that "Irshad wants us to do what our Holy Book wants us to do: end the tribal posturing, open our eyes, and stand up to oppression, even if it's rationalized by our vaunted imams."