Did God turn his back on Israel and Islam?

Kish wrote: Okay, back to the subject at hand. How else do we know that the God of Abraham turned his back on Ishmael/Islam? 1)God agreed with Sarah that Ishmael be kicked out of Abraham�s household for good. Gen. 21:10, 12 So she began to say to Abraham: �Drive out this slave girl and her son, for the son of this slave girl is not going to be an HEIR with my son, with Isaac! 12 Then God said to Abraham: �Listen to her voice, because it is by means of Isaac that what will be called your seed will be 2)Ishmael was not buried in the cave of Machpelah, the place of burial for Abraham and Isaac, along with their wives. Gen. 49:31 There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife. There they buried Isaac and Re�bek′ah his wife, and there I buried Le′ah. 3)Ishmaelites hated the God of Israel! Ps. 83:2, 6 For, look! your very enemies (Ish′ma�el�ites ) are in an uproar; And the very ones intensely hating you have raised [their] head. . . the Ish′ma�el�ites!!! They were even hard to get along with �His hand will be against everyone, and the hand of everyone will be against him� (Gen.16:12) So, as we can see ever so clear from the Holy Scriptures, whether Muhammad, who claimed to be an Ishmaelite descendant of Abraham is true or not, it really does not matter. After the covenant with Abraham, the God of Israel never would use Ishmaelite�s as messengers or prophets, why? A)They were not Hebrew first and foremost. B)They never spoke in the name of God, Yahweh/Jehovah. (Deuteronomy 18: 20) C)They served moon gods (Judges 8) D)They were born not from Sarah and Abraham but from his slave girl, Hagar Hagar, represented literal Israel with Jerusalem as its capital Galatian 4:25 Now this Ha′gar means Si′nai, a mountain in Arabia, and she corresponds with the Jerusalem today, for she is in slavery with her children. Topic: Did God turn his back on Israel and Islam? Yes, he most certainly did.

Kish,
very clever and decietful, in reality
incomplete:
You present half of the truth in your point-1.
No, according to the Bible God did not turn His back in Ishmael/Islam. Only you closed your eyes after Genesis 21:12.
Here is more of what you tried to hide:
Genesis 21:12 "And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy handmaid. In all that Sarah saith unto thee, hearken unto her voice. For in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

13 And also of the son of the handmaid will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.

14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and gave her the child, and sent her away. And she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-sheba.

15 And the water in the bottle was spent, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs.

16 And she went, and sat her down over against him a good way off, as it were a bowshot. For she said, Let me not look upon the death of the child. And she sat over against him, and lifted up her voice, and wept.

17 And God heard the voice of the lad. And the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? Fear not. For God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.

18 Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thy hand. For I will make him a great nation.
19 And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water. And she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.

20 And God was with the lad, and he grew...."

Nice half try Kish but the truth is in the verses above.
"God was with the lad (Ishamel)" did not mean God turned his back on him, as you are trying to make it look like.
Hasan


Edited by honeto - 05 January 2013 at 1:40pm

Okay, back to the subject at hand.

How else do we know that the God of Abraham turned his back on Ishmael/Islam?

1)God agreed with Sarah that Ishmael be kicked out of Abraham�s household for good.

Gen. 21:10, 12 So she began to say to Abraham: �Drive out this slave girl and her son, for the son of this slave girl is not going to be an HEIR with my son, with Isaac!

12 Then God said to Abraham: �Listen to her voice, because it is by means of Isaac that what will be called your seed will be

2)Ishmael was not buried in the cave of Machpelah, the place of burial for Abraham and Isaac, along with their wives.

Gen. 49:31 There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife. There they buried Isaac and Re�bek′ah his wife, and there I buried Le′ah.

3)Ishmaelites hated the God of Israel!

Ps. 83:2, 6 For, look! your very enemies (Ish′ma�el�ites ) are in an uproar; And the very ones intensely hating you have raised [their] head. . . the Ish′ma�el�ites!!!

They were even hard to get along with �His hand will be against everyone, and the hand of everyone will be against him� (Gen.16:12) So, as we can see ever so clear from the Holy Scriptures, whether Muhammad, who claimed to be an Ishmaelite descendant of Abraham is true or not, it really does not matter.

After the covenant with Abraham, the God of Israel never would use Ishmaelite�s as messengers or prophets, why?

A)They were not Hebrew first and foremost.
B)They never spoke in the name of God, Yahweh/Jehovah. (Deuteronomy 18: 20)
C)They served moon gods (Judges 8)
D)They were born not from Sarah and Abraham but from his slave girl, Hagar

Hagar, represented literal Israel with Jerusalem as its capital

Galatian 4:25 Now this Ha′gar means Si′nai, a mountain in Arabia, and she corresponds with the Jerusalem today, for she is in slavery with her children.

Topic: Did God turn his back on Israel and Islam?

Yes, he most certainly did.


Edited by Kish - 31 December 2012 at 9:50am

Greetings Hasan,

You'd have to go back through the thread and look... you can do this easier than I can, my computer is old and very slow... but I'm pretty sure Kish had explained that this was only a simple mistake.
I know I made a comment about having made a similar mistake once.
You just seem unwilling to accept that people make mistakes and to let it go.  Do you not make mistakes?  I think I've seen a couple of times when you responded to the wrong person also, just no one made an issue of it.  We all make mistakes.

Salaam,
CH

[and no, I am not Kish.  Kish takes a hardline approach, and if I remember correctly is a Jehovah's Witness, and while I take no issue with Jehovah's Witnesses, I am not one of them and do not know all of their teaching.  I like and agree with alot of their teaching though.
Kish and I are so different that I think I would have to be schizophrenic to make the kind of posts that I make and also make the kind that Kish does.  We are quite different, yet in some ways the same... like all people. ]


Edited by Caringheart - 18 December 2012 at 12:24pm

Hasan,
How many times does a person need to apologize for a mistake?
Do you ever apologize for anything you say?
Salaam,
CH