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Assalamu alaikum everyone,

I would like to share with you some additional information that I received from a colleague in the CEE Dept. This colleague of mine is the supervisor of a graduate student who was with Waleed in the class and survived the massacre. I should mention that the description is graphical so I apologize in advance.

The student mentions that Waleed saved his life and wants to convey this to Waleed's family. Apparently, the murderer came into Norris 206 and shot Dr. Loganathan and a number of students injuring Waleed. Waleed was sitting in the front row where he always sat. Everyone jumped to the floor after hearing the gun shots including the person narrating the story. The murderer then left Norris 206 to go to another classroom. The student that narrates the story was not shot but pretended to be dead and lay on the ground beside Waleed who at that time was only injured. The muderer then re-entered the classroom and was checking for alive victims. He had approached the person narrating the story who mentions that his heart was pounding out of fear. Waleed at that instant made a movement to distract the murderer's attention and was shot for the second time. At that time Waleed died and the murderer left the narrator to search for other victims. Ina Lillahi wa ina Ilayhi rajeoon. We ask Allah to forgive Waleed all his sins and grant him paradise.

Wassalam,

Asalaamu alaikum:

Ina Lillahi wa ina Ilayhi rajeoon:

Below is some information on helping his widow and child.

What a beautiful wedding picture.

 The article is from a post in the yahoo group Islamicminds.

DONATE TO SUPPORT DECEASED VA TECH MSA STUDENT'S FAMILY
http://www.msanational.org/finance/vt07donate.html" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Virginia Tech campus in
August 2006. An international student originally from Zagazig, Egypt, with
no family members in the United States, Waleed quickly became an essential
member of the Blacksburg Muslim community. Among those mourning his death
are his two roommates (Fahad Pasha and Irfan Waseem) to whom Waleed was
their loving older brother, cook, academic and spiritual mentor. Waleed was
known for his broad smile and wave that he gave everyone.

Waleed left behind Amira, his wife for 3 years, and Khaled his one-year old
son. For more information about Br. Waleed or the Virginia Tech MSA please
visit www.msavt.org.

Br. Waleed Shaalan passed away during the Virginia Tech tragedy on April 16,
2007. MSA National will be collecting donations to support Br. Waleed
Shaalan's family.

Our goal is to raise $25,000 over the next four weeks. We are confident that
with the grace of God and your help we will be able to achieve this goal.

To make a donation, please fill out the form below. Payment information will
be on the following page. If you are having trouble donating please e-mail
http://us.f335.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=treasurer%40msanational.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>treasurer@msanation al.org and include the amount you'd like to donate.

You can also mail your check to the following address:

MSA of the US and Canada
P.O. Box 1096
Falls Church, VA 22041

Checks should be made payable to MSA of the US and Canada; please write
"Br. Waleed Memorial Fund" in the memo.

\may Allah shower His mercy on him. I wish he prentended dead to safe his body for real muslim battle. Forum moderates should remove wedding picture. inna lillah wainna ilaihi rajion

Abu mujahid

Duende wrote: Abu Mujahid, your sentiments are profoundly distasteful, wishing this young person had not committed the bravest and most generous of all actions by saving another person's life. You may be a Muslem, but you are a callous human being. Sister Herjihad, thank you for this very moving thread. I am struck dumb by these events.

Yes, Duende, you are correct.  There is a Bible verse very befitting this brave and heroic act which Brother Waleed performed, "greater love hath no man than to lay down his life for a friend."  John 15:13

I cannot discuss the events at VTech...they are too much to grasp.

God help us all.

Duende wrote: Abu Mujahid, your sentiments are profoundly distasteful, wishing this young person had not committed the bravest and most generous of all actions by saving another person's life. You may be a Muslem, but you are a callous human being. Sister Herjihad, thank you for this very moving thread. I am struck dumb by these events.

Hi duende,

Since u r not muslim person no need to discuss with you this topic. I'm not here to put fake face to appease you. Enough sellout already happened to my islamic community. If I make mistake and you r muslim then bring your dalil from Quran and sunnah. Otherwise, don't insult me cuz I fear neither your Bush nor politcal incorrect games that goes on in this country on the xpense of my religion.

Abu Mujahid

[QUOTE=Duende]Abu Mujahid wrote: "Since u r not muslim person no need to discuss with
you this topic. I'm not here to put fake face to appease you." No need to
discuss what topic? The topic of whether it would have been better for
Brother Waleed to keep still so he could convert himself to a radical form
of militant fundamentalist Islam, rather than save another human being's
life?

Its very hard to discuss self obsorbed people who are not even muslim who want to discuss Islam in their own terms . Orientalist did that before and failed. Listen I don't need to convice you nor to carry with u real discussion. Its obvious u don't know Islam that was revealed to brother Mohamed. I just stated it was not right to this fallen brother not to save his life in this carnage and die in this format. Brother waleed make his call for whatever he believes.

Meanwhile saving human has many formats and pre-requistes and thats why I declined to discuss with you. Btw, this topic need no political terms like fundamentalist islam etc. I really cherish when non muslims call me Fundamentalist cuz it shows their bankrupt nature, wicked shortcoming and vicious intent.

"Otherwise, don't insult me cuz I fear neither your Bush nor politcal
incorrect games that goes on in this country on the xpense of my
religion."

>How did I insult you, by pointing out your inability to accept the teachings
of the Prophet (pbuh) about the sanctity of human life? As in:

[If anyone slays a human being, unless it be (punishment) for murder, or
for spreading mischief on earth, it shall be as though he had slain all
humankind; whereas, if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had
saved the lives of all humankind] (Al-Ma�idah 5:32).

Your citation of this verse lacks direction and weight. This verse is/was not talking about for what brother waleed did for personal ijtihad. If you want to know more go Ibnu Kathir and Tabari tafsirs to learn more about its meaning. In any given time, muslim person should not die for Kafir. That is clear cut in the real teaching of islam.

>If you can only engage in debate with someone of the same religious
beliefs, then you shall have a very short and fruitless debate indeed. If you believe your moslem community has 'sold out' then what good shall it do you to only discuss things with people who feel the same way as you?

Leave alone our internal discusion cuz like you will never understand what we're talking about. Besides, I can carry on endless discussion with all faith people let alone atheist but I have no obligation to debate with a person whose first post bad mouth other person just he has righfully different stand on issue.

>You should engage ALL people in discussion in order to practice your
Dawa and not sit stewing in your dissatisfaction with your community and
refusing to discuss with people you judge not to be Moslem.

Just do your homework before you try to alter my pure islam. We know people like you who know little about islam and want to preach Western islamic version on events with free pass. That won't fly in my world. So good luck

 

Abu Mujahid

Its obvious u don't know Islam that was revealed to brother Mohamed." sorry I mean prophet Mohamed peace be Upon him.

Abu Mujahid

Abu Mujahid wrote: [QUOTE=Abu Mujahid] Its obvious u don't know Islam that was revealed to brother Mohamed." sorry I mean prophet Mohamed peace be Upon him. Abu Mujahid

Asalaamu alaikum brother:

May I ask you why you draw lines based on where a muslim lives?

I do not understand what you mean by your pure Islam, Do you think you are a better muslim than another because of your global location?

If so, then good for you.

The Prophet, SAW, stated in his last sermon:

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.

Remember, one day you will appear before ALLAH and answer your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone."

I found this on the website at Islamicity, and I am also reading a book of the Life of the Prophet called "Muhammad the Messenger of Allah by Abdurrahman AL-Sheba of The World Organization for presenting Islam based in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia,

Interesting point: I am reading the same thing in the middle-eastern book that I am reading on this website. And what does Bush have to do with Islam brother.

Not a thing.

Islam is universal.

Duende wrote: �I just stated it was not right to this fallen brother not to save his life in this carnage and die in this format.� No you didn�t, you said: �I wish he prentended dead to safe his body for real muslim battle.� You wrote: �Meanwhile saving human has many formats and pre- requistes and thats why I declined to discuss with you� Oh, you mean, like he should have thought about it first? And decided whether it was a good move or not? �I really cherish when non muslims call me Fundamentalist cuz it shows their bankrupt nature, wicked shortcoming and vicious intent. Yes, that's worth cherishing. When and where did I call you a fundamentalist? You wrote: �In any given time, muslim person should not die for Kafir. That is clear cut in the real teaching of islam� There you go: a fundamental interpretation of Islam which says no Muslim should bother saving a kafir�s life. I guess Brother Waleed should have stopped to judge whether the poor soul was a kafir after all�. �I have no obligation to debate with a person whose first post bad mouth other person just he has righfully different stand on issue.� Excuse me, but you bad mouthed Brother Waleed by saying he was a fool to have saved another person�s life. But you're right, instead of trying to come up with excuses for your bad taste and poor morals, stop posting. �We know people like you who know little about islam and want to preach Western islamic version on events with free pass� You�re the second person recently to suddenly develop a multiple personality dissorder and refer to themselves as �we�. By what right do you perceive to be speaking for the entire Muslim Ummah? And what on earth is �the Western islamic version of events�?

Sister Duende, thank you.

And for those who attack her, she is married to a Muslim. That is a fact I do know.

And Br Mujahid, you are young and you are an american.

Am I right? American youth have a form of online slang where they shorten the spelling of certain words to just the phonetics and sounds.  CUZ.....

Am I close? You see, I did study to be a teacher....

As Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Inna Lillahi wa Inna Ilaihi Raji�un.

May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala shower His Mercy upon Brother Waleed, spare him from the trials of the grave and grant him entry into Jannatul-Firdaus. Ameen!

May He give hisFamily Sabr, compensate and reward them with Khair both in this world and the next, Ameen!

Wa Alaikum Salam 

Duende wrote: Gracias, Hermana Maryah, un abrazo Salaam

De nada Hermana....

�En cualquier momento usted necesita la llamada de apoyo m�!

Maryah wrote: Duende wrote: �I just stated it was not right to this fallen brother not to save his life in this carnage and die in this format.� No you didn�t, you said: �I wish he prentended dead to safe his body for real muslim battle.� You wrote: �Meanwhile saving human has many formats and pre- requistes and thats why I declined to discuss with you� Oh, you mean, like he should have thought about it first? And decided whether it was a good move or not? �I really cherish when non muslims call me Fundamentalist cuz it shows their bankrupt nature, wicked shortcoming and vicious intent. Yes, that's worth cherishing. When and where did I call you a fundamentalist? You wrote: �In any given time, muslim person should not die for Kafir. That is clear cut in the real teaching of islam� There you go: a fundamental interpretation of Islam which says no Muslim should bother saving a kafir�s life. I guess Brother Waleed should have stopped to judge whether the poor soul was a kafir after all�. �I have no obligation to debate with a person whose first post bad mouth other person just he has righfully different stand on issue.� Excuse me, but you bad mouthed Brother Waleed by saying he was a fool to have saved another person�s life. But you're right, instead of trying to come up with excuses for your bad taste and poor morals, stop posting. �We know people like you who know little about islam and want to preach Western islamic version on events with free pass� You�re the second person recently to suddenly develop a multiple personality dissorder and refer to themselves as �we�. By what right do you perceive to be speaking for the entire Muslim Ummah? And what on earth is �the Western islamic version of events�? Sister Duende, thank you. And for those who attack her, she is married to a Muslim. That is a fact I do know. And Br Mujahid, you are young and you are an american. Am I right? American youth have a form of online slang where they shorten the spelling of certain words to just the phonetics and sounds.  CUZ..... Am I close? You see, I did study to be a teacher....

Bismillah and Salaams,

I just popped in to read this again and I realized that I should have stated a sincere Jazakee Allah Khayr to both Sister Duende and Sister Maryah for setting things straight that many Muslims admire and are thankful for Brother Walid and people like him, and that we are saddened and would rather not acknowledge people on the opposite end of bravery like the brother who made this post.

May Allah, The Most Loving, bless all who died, for we are all promised recompense for our good deeds and salve for our suffering in the cause of Allah.

herjihad wrote: Maryah wrote: Duende wrote: �I just stated it was not right to this fallen brother not to save his life in this carnage and die in this format.� No you didn�t, you said: �I wish he prentended dead to safe his body for real muslim battle.� You wrote: �Meanwhile saving human has many formats and pre- requistes and thats why I declined to discuss with you� Oh, you mean, like he should have thought about it first? And decided whether it was a good move or not? �I really cherish when non muslims call me Fundamentalist cuz it shows their bankrupt nature, wicked shortcoming and vicious intent. Yes, that's worth cherishing. When and where did I call you a fundamentalist? You wrote: �In any given time, muslim person should not die for Kafir. That is clear cut in the real teaching of islam� There you go: a fundamental interpretation of Islam which says no Muslim should bother saving a kafir�s life. I guess Brother Waleed should have stopped to judge whether the poor soul was a kafir after all�. �I have no obligation to debate with a person whose first post bad mouth other person just he has righfully different stand on issue.� Excuse me, but you bad mouthed Brother Waleed by saying he was a fool to have saved another person�s life. But you're right, instead of trying to come up with excuses for your bad taste and poor morals, stop posting. �We know people like you who know little about islam and want to preach Western islamic version on events with free pass� You�re the second person recently to suddenly develop a multiple personality dissorder and refer to themselves as �we�. By what right do you perceive to be speaking for the entire Muslim Ummah? And what on earth is �the Western islamic version of events�? Sister Duende, thank you. And for those who attack her, she is married to a Muslim. That is a fact I do know. And Br Mujahid, you are young and you are an american. Am I right? American youth have a form of online slang where they shorten the spelling of certain words to just the phonetics and sounds.  CUZ..... Am I close? You see, I did study to be a teacher....   Bismillah and Salaams, I just popped in to read this again and I realized that I should have stated a sincere Jazakee Allah Khayr to both Sister Duende and Sister Maryah for setting things straight that many Muslims admire and are thankful for Brother Walid and people like him, and that we are saddened and would rather not acknowledge people on the opposite end of bravery like the brother who made this post. May Allah, The Most Loving, bless all who died, for we are all promised recompense for our good deeds and salve for our suffering in the cause of Allah.

Just to let you know blessing of Allah is reserved for believers only. Its wise any muslim should be careful before he/she embrace political incorrect in this serious matter. Allah never promise recompensation for good deeds done by kafirs in the day of judgement.  On the contrary, he said in suratal furqan, "And We shall turn to whatever deeds they (disbelievers, polythiests, sinners) did, and We shall make such deeds as scattered floating particles of dust" 23:25

That is clean Islam. Islam that need no fake accomadition in the name of progressive Islam.

Since some of follow ups do carry no serious Islamic weight I just brushed off them despite their fiery unsubstantiated claims.

May Allah protect us from our arrogance and ignorance

Abu Mujahid

Israfil wrote: Abu Mujahid you might wanna make an effort in editing your post because your english (like I said in the other thread) is terrible.

Ok...what about you too going to closet Islamic center to learn real Islam?!!! Moreover, who do you love the white man's portait?!!!.

Meanwhile, I wonder why some non muslim lady still want to give fatwa about clear cut subject? If she is muslim she would know first hand that muslim man/women shouldn't die for kafir. Or am I dealing here the progressive white house made junta?

Abu Mujahd

[QUOTE=Duende]Calm down Abu.

>You are sadly lacking in something basically human if you are adamant
about Brother Waleed being a fool for saving another person's life.

This will be my last response to you because I can't debate people who lack gut and basic knowledge of Islam let alone Islamic manner. Sister, I feel sorry for your empty claim in this serious subject. That is why I care about Islam not your political incorrect humanity.

For brother waleed if he died (as many claimed without shame) for kafirs he did that without Islamic base. Or best he did that in pure personal own ijtihad. Tell the forum where in Islam say that muslim person can die for Kafir. Bring verse or correct Hadith that support your stand.  

>again, how can YOU judge whether the person Waleed saved was a kafir?

You must be kidding. Just read the thread and your earlier post. Btw, are you saying he saved muslim person!!!.

 
>To judge his commitment to Islam shows you to be rather foolish also,
since you have no right to judge another, let alone a fellow Moslem.

I can understand why we have diehard liberals among us that want to rewrite Islam in the contex of American culture. If you were salafi sister you will never utter such insults. Please don't twist the topic let alone badmouth another fellow muslim. Why bringing his commitment to Islam or judgement? No one question his commiitment to Islam. The issue is simple. Many claimed he died for kafirs during the mayhem and I challenged that by saying muslim can't die for kafir.  Period

 
>You choose to interpret the Koran in a way which makes you blind to the
best qualities of humanity which Brother Waleed displayed.

Again my question to you is what is best human quality of brother Waleed?!! If you say he died for kafirs then tell us where is your prove from Islamic sources. On the other hand, listen Ya fiqiha, what kind of interpreation of Quran I make?. May be you need to refresh by reading Tasfir al-Tabari, Thilal and Ibnu Kathir to find out the true meaning of Quran. I'm sure if someone learn tafsir from these books he/she will not be blinded in this world and hereafter. But if you choose liberal tafsir like the one that famous brother did in Hannity/Colmes show right after 9/11 then surely he/she will be blinded both in this dunya and hereafter. 

>If you believe
the entire Koran to be clear cut, then surely we have no need of experts in
its interpretation.

I didn't said its entire is clear cut. There are muhakamat and Mutashabihat. Case point is clear cut.  Allah said, "It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad) the Book. In It are verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundation of the Book (and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkam(commandments), And others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is deviation (from truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof......."Al-ayah (surat Al-Irman verse 7).]]

 Muslim should not die for Kafir is clear cut in Islam.

Next time spare our time and bring your prove from Islamic sources.

Abu Mujahid

Ok...what about you too going to closet Islamic center to learn real Islam?!!! Moreover, who do you love the white man's portait?!!!.

Because he is Obi-Wan Kenobi, a Jedi, in the triology Star Wars that's why

For someone who says they "care about Islam" I echo the same sentiments as Duende in that, if you fail to understand the basic, moral good that so many of us strive to sustain then you truly have no grasp at the fundamental goodness we all have the potential to exhibit, that is, doing good. This brother who sacrificed himself was not thinking about "Oh this person is not in my religion so I'll let them die." No, he thought instinctively and without thought to save other human beings. By your very response it is no wonder God has made us mere mortals and not gods ourselves. Your insensitivity to this gentleman's sacrifice is evidence that defective minds is prevalent in the muslim community. No wonder we have not made any ethical advancements in the world.

Sign*Reader wrote: [QUOTE] I concur with Duende! You don't need to be so narrow minded in this VT massacre situation. Death's day is dooms day and any gesture on that day is beyond any scholar's interpretations. The people died at a place of higher learning I say all would get a special dispensation from Allah for their effort and forgiveness. You don't know what Allah has in store for them! So chill out! There is no such scenario in Quraan that could correspond to this horror and NO fishing here.

Those broadminded!!!! who compromise the very basic of Islam for apparent no reason except for ignorance/arrogance or fear from authority.......Those who want to rewrite Islam in the context of culture of fear....Those who fear for their comfort life/Citizenship/jobs  .... Those who do sellout....Those who are progressive Islam in America who couldn't response my post......Its time to open your eyes and listen what Ulima (scholars) has said about this case:

"In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear brother in Islam, we would like to thank you for showing keenness on knowing the teachings of Islam, and we appreciate the great confidence you have in us. We hope our efforts meet your expectations, yet we apologize for the late reply.

As regards your question, we�d like to make it clear that Allah Almighty never disregards any good deed, be it from a believer or a disbeliever; He gives good reward for it. But the point here is, as a believer does good deeds, he does so with certain belief that he will be rewarded in the Hereafter; i.e. whatever he does, it�s for the sake of Allah, and he will get its reward in the Hereafter. However, there are people who are good and benevolent by nature, and many of them love their brothers and sisters in humanity, despite that they are not believers.

Explaining the type of reward granted to such people, the Kuwaiti Encyclopedia of Islamic Jurisprudence makes it clear that there is surely a reward in this world for people who, despite lacking iman (belief), contribute to the progress of mankind, are good by nature, giving charity�etc. But the criterion for getting reward in the Hereafter is belief. This is based on the Hadith, in which the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, states: �Allah never disregards a good deed of a believer; he reward him for it in this world and in the Hereafter. As for a disbeliever, he is rewarded for the good deeds in this world so that when he is in the Afterlife, no more reward will be there for him.�.

In making this point more clearer, clarifying that Jannah (Paradise) is for believers, Sheikh Hamed Al-`Ali, instructor of Islamic Heritage at the Faculty of Education, Kuwait and Imam of Dahiat As-Sabahiyya Mosque, states:

�No one will enter Jannah (Paradise) except a believer. Almighty Allah says in the Qur�an �And the dwellers of the Fire cry out unto the dwellers of the Garden: Pour on us some water or some wherewith Allah hath provided you. They say: Lo! Allah hath forbidden both to disbelievers (in His guidance).� (Al-�Araaf: 50)

Also the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, is reported to have said: �You will not enter Paradise until you believe.� (Agreed upon hadith)

This is one of signs of Allah�s absolute justice, because when a disbeliever does something good in this world, he or she does it for the sake of a worldly gain, and it is granted to him/her. On the contrary, a believer does his or her action for the sake of seeking reward in the Hereafter, and it is on this basis he or she is granted reward according to his or her intention.

Thus, Allah gives everyone what he or she has striven for. The believer has striven and worked for the success in the Hereafter, and as such he or she is given the same recompense for his work. But as for the disbeliever, as long as his deeds do not spring from belief (part of which is believing in the Hereafter), then he or she is not admitted to Paradise. The Kafir, or disbeliever, does not seek or strive for what is in the Hereafter, rather he or she wants to attain the pleasures in this life such as seeking people�s admiration, peace of mind, etc. If the Kafir wishes and really seeks the reward in the Hereafter, he or she would right away believe in Allah, the Hereafter, and follow the messengers of Allah and never disbelieve in any of them, because disbelieving in anyone of them would be counted as disbelieving in all messengers since the message they all brought is the same and each Prophet believed in whoever came before him and gave glad tidings to the Prophet who would come after him.

In brief, Jannah is only granted for those who strive for it and there are some conditions to be met for a person to be admitted to Jannah. Whoever works in this life for the sake of the Hereafter and fulfills the conditions of Jannah, he or she will be admitted to it. Conversely, those who fail to work for Jannah or work for it but do not fulfill its conditions will never enter it. This is the absolute justice of Allah, and Allah does not do injustice to any body.�

Shedding more light on this issue, Sheikh `Attiyah Saqr, former Head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, states the following:

� In terms of the reward of the Hereafter, it is totally agreed upon that a disbeliever receives no reward in the Hereafter nor does a believer who offers good deeds out of showing off. However, when talking about the reward of this world, the case is different in the sense that every one is paid for his deeds whether bad or good. Thus, a disbeliever receives reward for the good deeds he offers in this world. Almighty Allah says: � And when Abraham prayed: My Lord! Make this a region of security and bestow upon its people fruits, such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day, He answered: As for him who disbelieveth, I shall leave him in contentment for a while, then I shall compel him to the doom of fire a hapless journey's end!� (Al-Baqarah: 126) Almighty Allah also says: � Whoso desireth the life of the world and its pomp, We shall repay them their deeds herein, and therein they will not be wronged. Those are they for whom is naught in the Hereafter save the Fire. (All) that they contrive here is vain and (all) that they are wont to do is fruitless.� (Hud: 15-16)

All these Qur�anic verses make it clear that both a believer and a disbeliever get reward in this life for their good deeds. However, there is another reward for a believer in the Hereafter while a disbeliever is denied such a reward, due to his disbelief. Muslim reported that `Aisha, may Allah be pleased, asked the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him: �O Messenger of Allah! It was the trait of Ibn Jud`aan in pre-Islamic period to feed the needy and keep ties of kinship, will he benefit from these good deeds?(in the Hereafter)� The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said: �No, for he never said: �My Lord! Forgive my sin on the Day of Judgment�� i.e. he was doing all that while insisting on disbelief.�

Source: IslamOnline.net

May Allah show the truth.

Abu Mujahid

April 20, 2007

Finally this sister nailed down despite some small errors in her excellent post. May Allah reward her Jannah. Hope many readers in this medium will understand how this subject is clear cut. There is no room for negotiation and rewrite of our belief. Those who believe humanity bonds overide Islamic believe must realize they are selling cheap outdated Jew commodity. Read and enjoy this follow up post.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/016132.php#c382307 - April 20, 2007 04:22 AM

Well Abu Mujahid

If this is your kind of Islam I chose the wrong religion then.

what kind of religion, especially if such a religion boast to come from a MERCIFUL GOD and LOVING GOD forbid a muslim to pray to this MERCIFUL GOD for the souls of innocent people (by innocence I mean individuals who did nothing to warrant being killed). I must be wrong. But then again I have been told (I think that was you Abu the poo poo) that I am following a water down American version of Islam. If that is the case (and the consensus of other Muslims) I cease to be one I guess. But I would be damned to serve a "heartless" god who commands his followers to not pray for the souls of the very creation he designed. To me this would be an utter contradiction to God's mercy therefore I would assume rationally that muslims who reject the prayer for non-muslims would be the conservative view of Islam. Unless you can provide a Quranic detail of this (also Hadith) I consider this belief simply a conservative notion not law.

Abu Mujahid wrote: Those broadminded!!!! who compromise the very basic of Islam for apparent no reason except for ignorance/arrogance or fear from authority....

You are absolutely a comic character who is making a mountain of a mole hill and doing a great disservice to the good name of the religion of Islam,

If you profess to be such big practitioner of fundamentalism you shouldn�t be breathing the air of a kafir country like of the US? Just worry for your self you are not responsible for any body else�s salvation.

What is the relevance of the authority in this context I see some strain of  internet psychosis the way you are behaving.

 It is you who is hiding from authority behind this internet!

BTW internet is the creation of the authority you are talking about!

Talk about ignorance is it not pot calling the kettle black?

Who will buy your brand of Islam?

I think try taking your stuff to Turkey and see how far you will get!

Abu Mujahid wrote: ..Those who want to rewrite Islam in the context of culture of fear....Those who fear for their comfort life/Citizenship/jobs  ....

No body is rewriting Islam; it is figment of your imagination.

Your argument about  comfort life/Citizenship/jobs is totally lame.

If the so called Islamic countries can�t  provide these things to  Muslims then it is none of your cotton pickin business to talk about these things.

You should be ashamed of yourself for bringing this up.

Abu Mujahid wrote:  Those who do sellout....Those who are progressive Islam in America who couldn't response my post.... ....

What nonsense are your talking about? The nominal Muslims did not come US for Islam, but they are discovering it here by default, and I bet they will be  better  than  those  they left behind...

Most mosques were setup after the Iranian hostage crisis of 1979, that should tell you something about the time line of Islamic practice in the US

Abu Mujahid wrote: ..Its time to open your eyes and listen what Ulima (scholars) has said about this case:

What happened to the application of Quraan & sunnah and all the scholarships?

Now you are talking about opening the eyes on such trivial matter and call of Ulama, don't they have any better things to put their energies on?

I think your types need to learn manners before lecturing others.

 You  & your ilk lack US perspective totally, may be you are too  immature to know any better!

How do explain Muslims diaspora today? Must have have screwed up some how!

You are a  classic hypocrite with an empty rhetoric trying to provoke where there is no need to.

So far there  are no takers of your POV.

 You are have hijacked the thread for no rhyme or reason.

Your argument is totally misplaced the thread was about a split second decision made by a dying Brother Waleed instead people sharing some decent thoughts here you have totally messed it up due to your psychosis for real.

You need some clinical help before it is too late!

Lastly don't try copy n paste whole pages from places which have no relevance to the US context. It doesn't impress at all >>>>>><<<<<<<

 caught you red handed?!. What a bunch of ignorant Bushe's!!!. Israfil, if you leave real Islam remember we will not miss you!!. You and your liberal friend are good American characters. I really enjoyed by exposing your American Islamic perspective!!!  I don't have enough time but I will make soon insha Allah some comments about this fake liberal Sign*reader angry post.

BTW, how long were you hidding with this venom among American muslims?

Abu Mujahid

Abu Mujahid,

What exactly are you exposing? If you re-read my post I said this:

"If this is your kind of Islam I chose the wrong religion then."

I never said I will leave Islam. Maybe [like your inability to type good english] learn to read better. In your version of Islam a Muslim shouldn't pray for a non-muslim nor help them [even if they are innocent and defenseless]. This is something which you provide no proof for since you say you "care for Islam." What are you exposing again? If you look at the last few post they were about YOU, not me. Even if I did leave Islam do you honestly I'd tell you Moron? Yes I'm slightly pissed. Not at what you say but because your st**idity is annoying and from henceforth I seriously have nothing to say to you.

none of knows what is in another person's heart.

And really none of us chooses are death. We could die in 5 minutes, we can die in 30 years. Allah chooses for us. So really then is Allah a fool??? Allah chose for this person to live. The person that Brother Waleed saved, Allah has another plan for him. Who ar ewe to question Allah??

Brother Waleed in the heat of the moment, chose to help another human being.  Remember that in the Prophet's time the Prophet had nonMoslems living in Medina with him. He chose to "protect" them by not throwing them out.

My prayers go out to Brother Waleed's family.

Dear fellow muslim reader:

By this time you should saw the liberal commodity vs real Islam in this simple debate. The liberals has shown their ugliest face by fighting to the end to rewrite a done case in Islam

In the time of prophet The mushrikin's used a filthy campaign to deter people from Islam "And those who disbelieve say: "Listen not to this Qur'�n, and make noise in the midst of its (recitation) that you may overcome."

In this era, Jews used similar tactics in their political dominant in America/West. By discrediting their apponent in the worst form served their mission.

Liberal defeatist is no better but worst because they are our midst speak our language, pray with us in mosque and claim Islam. They stab behind every honest knowlegeable muslim who challenge/threaten their outdated innovation ideas. They are fifth column.  

This is some of their free fall of name calling during this little exchange without shame. Idiot, moron, comic, retarded, fundamentalist, Psychosis, lack US presective!!!, Immature are few to mention of their long laundary list of insults. This kind of tirade is their slogan in every debate in muslim websites. They know for fact they r losers.  I feel sorry for these men who fail to learn Islam let alone uphold Islamic manner. They want liberally to stop others clearify questions etc. 

Now Its time to debate calmly with some of his assertions.  

[Qoute=Sign*Reader]

You are absolutely a comic character who is making a mountain of a mole hill and doing a great disservice to the good name of the religion of Islam]

Someone dies for kafir is not making a mountain of a mole hill let alone doing disservice to real islam. What good name religion of Islam are talking about? Sure for liberal American Islam not real Islam revealed to prophet Mohamed pbuh. 

>If you profess to be such big practitioner of fundamentalism you shouldn�t be breathing the air of a kafir country like of the US?<

Call me Wahabi, Alqaeda, Muslim brotherhood, Fis, terrorist, Qutb's, Salafist etc to complete your two man circus show. I'm sure FBI, CIA and other intelligent agencies will reward you medal of honor by discovering this FUNDAMENTALIST.  By reminding you what is in Book I become fundamentalist!!! What a poor thinking. 

 >Just worry for your self you are not responsible for any body else�s salvation.<

What about calling people to Islam? Who takes that responsibility?  Quran and sunnah speaks volume about dawah.

>What is the relevance of the authority in this context I see some strain of  internet psychosis the way you are behaving<

The relevence is clear. You don't want to tell the truth about this case. Muslim cannot die for Kafir. Simple and clear. You cowardly afraid to say that  Btw, is this some strain include lying about Islam? The majority of learners see liberals are internet psychosis by trying to rewrite Islam in American perespective!!! 

 >It is you who is hiding from authority behind this internet!<

Hurray...Go and report to FBI agency. I really expect you cowards capable of doing that. How many innocent muslims your kind liberals sellout in lieu of comfort live, citizenship or job. Shame on you. By telling you the truth about this case is not hidding from authority. And btw, why I care about authority when it comes to my deen. They have no authority on my deen. 

>BTW internet is the creation of the authority you are talking about!

Talk about ignorance is it not pot calling the kettle black?<

 Then why are you saying I'm hidding from them in cyberworld. What a contradiction!!!.

>Who will buy your brand of Islam?<

Why calling brand?. Its Quran and sunnah you negate without reason. Don't run from real Islam. No matter how many make up you do, they will not accept you. 

>I think try taking your stuff to Turkey and see how far you will get!<

Turky is muslim land and Islam will rule one day. Don't be cheated by Atatork Donoma group that hold military junta. Those who run Turkish government is your likes who came on Islamic ticket then disown their Islam to appease white Europeans. God willing, Turkish people will rise one day to their Islamic responsibility. 

>What nonsense are your talking about? The nominal Muslims did not come US for Islam, but they are discovering it here by default, and I bet they will be  better  than  those  they left behind...<

Chinese and Arabs/Spanish muslims were here long before Pirate Colombus landed America. The legacy of muslims is everywhere. Their Islam was not default. Tell that muslim American Historian. Yes, there may be few who come here and discovered Islam but that is not the tall order of African Americans and many many muslims before them. 

>Most mosques were setup after the Iranian hostage crisis of 1979, that should tell you something about the time line of Islamic practice in the US

I was here at that time. That is not true.  Practicing muslims were here before and in every State but not united  least to say. By 1979, to my knowledge they discoverd  Saudi funds available to them for mosque buildings.

>You got me on the soap box now you will hear me out whether you like it not. The Muslims have lived too long on the fat of the land and were fat dumb and happy<

Amazing judging on hardworking muslims in this country.  No escape from your venom insults.

>What happened to the application of Quraan & sunnah and all the scholarships?

They were trying their best.

 >Now you are talking about opening the eyes on such trivial matter and call of Ulama, don't they any better things to put their energies on?

Life of muslim is more precious than entire world. Listen, dying for kafir never been trivial. May be liberal muslims think that way but Islam says opposite. If that is trivial then what better things they should put on their energies?!!. Parliament like many muslim group did. Interfaith dialogue, kissing the check rather feet of America!!. Jihad!! tell us ya fiqhih

 >I think your types need to learn manners before lecturing others<.

Yaa liberal sheikh I hear you. Look your insults and your statements to find out who need manner and dawah.  

>I think you  & your ilk lack US perspective totally, may be you are too  immature to know any better!<

US perspective? You prove my point but What is that? Since you are mature liberal muslim please explain to forum what is US Islamic perspective?

>You and your scholars had done their jobs there would not be a Muslims diaspora today!<

So we kicked them out from muslim land, hence forced them to live among kafirs. Even statistically let alone logically you are wrong. Many muslims came to this country for seeking better life. Real Ulima stayed back and stood like a mountain in front of tryannts. They were arrested, killed, maimed and smeared. Leave Ulima meat. Their meat are poisned. Fear Allah for attacking on muslim scholars who strive hard to preach real Islam and revive Islamic khilafate.

>You need to provide your model based on Quraan & sunnah first then preach and scream at others. I think if you had one you will know better!<

You didn't wait me to present model of governance, economic, political system, judicial, press, education, international treaties/ relationship, peace, war, etc that Islam want to present the world. 

>You are a  classic hypocrite with an empty rhetoric trying to provoke where there is no need to<

Your refuge this kind of personal insults shows how you disrespect often  the teaching of Islam. May Allah guide you.

>There is  nobody in favor of your POV.
I think you are have hijacked the thread for no rhyme or reason. Your argument is totally misplaced the thread was about a split second decision made by a dying Brother Waleed instead people sharing some decent thoughts here you have totally messed it up due to your psychosis for real. I think you need some clinical help before it is too late!<

That is all what you can offer. Poor liberal. I feel pity for you. You and likes defiled this poor brother life by posting him and his naked wife in this islamic medium!!. You defiled him by claiming he died for kafir without shame. You degraded him by saying he has no brain in critical moment of his life. You make him bafoon who don't know his religion by using his body to save kafir person. You run to White house circles and Jewish media claiming this man is our most hero. Once I corrected you Islamically .....you went out of war on Islam presenting American islamic liberal perspective, name calling me without deen and akhlaq. Its you who hijacked this thread to fulfill your liberal dream. Its you and likes who insulted fatawa of ulima in this regard. Its you who wear the liberal turban to rewrite Islam in futile way.

Don't hide in this medium. I advise you brotherly; come back to Islam. American will not defend you when stand alone before Allah. You can be good citizen without selling your religion.

>This is turning into real Special Olympics, even if you win you still are retarded.<

Its not a game. Its Islam and someone should stand up to your liberal thinking. May Allah give you knowledge and clean mouth.

>Lastly don't try copy n paste whole pages from places which have no relevance to the US context. It doesn't impress at all >>>>>><<<<<<<

US context!!! What context?  U remind me Nation of Islam once claimed that America need special prophet before they split into Malik Shabbaz group and Lewis Farrakhan sect. I believe since we are all muslims and Islam is our religion every muslim website has relevence to muslim Americans. That is real brotherhood.

Abu Mujahid

This will be my last response to you because I can't debate people who lack gut and basic knowledge of Islam let alone Islamic manner.

Thanks a million, Maulana el Fassadi, for helping me determine the real reason behind Muslim downfall across the world. It's the Sole Franchisees of "the basic knowledge of Islam" like you - who would package Islam a something so devoid of Human Concern.

And, still force us to accept them as Muslims?

Bismillah and Salaams,

Pridem, I understand why you say that, but that is up to each person's energy, ability, and desire.

Abu Majid,

You doubt and insult my Islaam and imply that I benefit somehow in some way by being or believing what I do.  This is incorrect.  My family and I have suffered, do suffer and will continue in the current landscape of prejudice against Muslims, merely to be Muslims and let people know that we are such.

I cry for all the pain my children and others I have observed have gone through for discrimination and hatred because we are Muslim. 

And the others here as well have experienced strong difficulties to hold to our faith.  Don't insult this devotion anymore. 

We don't insult your devotion, just your wisdom and compassion.

Min Shan Allah, wakif.  Bekafee.  Khalas. Fee aman Illah.

Bismillah and Salaams,

Pridem, I understand why you say that, but that is up to each person's energy, ability, and desire<<.

?!!!

>Abu Majid,

You doubt and insult my Islaam and imply that I benefit somehow in some way by being or believing what I do.  This is incorrect<

I didn't. Stop being assuming things out of context. What I questioned and challenged was your effort to prove that brother Waleed died for kafir. You tried to show the world his death was precious human stand. Moreover, you went on honoring all dead through your memory and reflection. You said and qoute, "As we express our grief and sympathy for the families of all those directly affected by this senseless tragedy, we honor them through memory and reflection; and Waleed will always be smiling in our hearts". 

We may sympathize the families of dead ones but we don't honor their dead kafir. We strive hard to save him/her from hellfire. Period. We don't keep memory and reflection of these dead one in the way you put it.  Quran reflect dead kafirs as warning method for us.  

>My family and I have suffered, do suffer and will continue in the current landscape of prejudice against Muslims, merely to be Muslims and let people know that we are such.

I cry for all the pain my children and others I have observed have gone through for discrimination and hatred because we are Muslim<

We all suffer but you don't expect it will get better no matter how we try to makeover Islam!!!. Your children and muslim children in this country will suffer for the rest of their live unless something else happen. That is the price you have to pay for living in west. Even if we divorce our Islam the test will continue in different levels. We should not entertain to ourself if we compromise the basic of Islam then we will get some comfort pass. No. We should make hijra to muslim or other part of world to create our suitable condition.  

>And the others here as well have experienced strong difficulties to hold to our faith.  Don't insult this devotion anymore<.

Their difficulties don't justified on their naked aggression on Islamic belief we uphold dear.  So far, Sister, I saw liberal progressive Islamic devotion!!!. That progressive devotion is been challenged through this simple post and so far they exhibiited their vicious hate of real Islam and its people.

>We don't insult your devotion, just your wisdom and compassion<.

I'm sure you didn't insult my wisdom and compassion. I careless for personal shortcoming ego's corrections since we all have short coming. What you insulted and assaulted was in fact Islam. The worst part is you want to defy Allah teaching by rewriting Islam.  

>Min Shan Allah, wakif.  Bekafee.  Khalas. Fee aman Illah<

May Allah guide you to real path

Abu Mujahid

Whisper wrote: This will be my last response to you because I can't debate people who lack gut and basic knowledge of Islam let alone Islamic manner. Thanks a million, Maulana el Fassadi, for helping me determine the real reason behind Muslim downfall across the world. It's the Sole Franchisees of "the basic knowledge of Islam" like you - who would package Islam a something so devoid of Human Concern. And, still force us to accept them as Muslims?

Whisper

Your ilk ruled Islamic world since the beginging of last century with the help of your masters. No wonder why we had this backwardness in every aspect of life except the high moral ground we uphold still high.

Unless you are part of people who trade muslim blood in downing Street go to mosque and learn real Islam. With that, I'm sure you will understand what is all about real human concern.

May Allah guide you to real Islam.

Abu Mujahid

>Because he is Obi-Wan Kenobi, a Jedi, in the triology Star Wars that's why <

Its obvious you love this Jewish Rabbi character with full veiw of all.  

>For someone who says they "care about Islam" I echo the same sentiments as Duende in that, if you fail to understand the basic, moral good that so many of us strive to sustain then you truly have no grasp at the fundamental goodness we all have the potential to exhibit, that is, doing good<.

You and Duende represent the ugly face of progressive islam in America. The basic morals that we strive hard come from Islam not this fake singing we are together mantra. So as doing good without sacrfice your precious life for kafir. 

>This brother who sacrificed himself was not thinking about "Oh this person is not in my religion so I'll let them die." No, he thought instinctively and without thought to save other human beings,.

So you think that is real Islam revealed to prophet Mohamed. What a fiqhih!! Just give us a proof from Quran and hadith if you believe them at all. In any case, how do you know his thought process was like that?. You should be kidding or doing compelete Yoga with Karma to make such wild claim!!!. Don't insult the dead brother and the intelligence of readers. Saving human being has conditions not this free fall that pure Islam refuse.

> By your very response it is no wonder God has made us mere mortals and not gods ourselves.

?!!!!

> Your insensitivity to this gentleman's sacrifice is evidence that defective minds is prevalent in the muslim community<.

You remind me NBR radio with their Slate Magazine and their tireless attempt to define society for their own Jewish image.  For sure, you r the product of American social/education disorder who define values, belief system, right and wrong with their wicked imagination. You are asking me to do affirmative action in Islamic believe. Why join not Qadiani movements?!!. That is where you belong. To my knowledge they were preaching the same tone you struggling to define here. Surely they will welcome you with open hands.

Listen, there is no defective prevalent mind in muslims. If there is any, its new progressive Islam screams with the help of their friends. They want to diagnose fake societal symptoms then give deadly cure. Muslim community will not buy this medication since Liberal Islam come up with all its pretenses. 

 >No wonder we have not made any ethical advancements in the world<

What ethical advancement west did? palargarism!. We see good infrustruction but little human ethics. BTW, go to universities to see the thought procces control you exhibit here. No wonder why secular muslims has failed muslim world and blame at doorstep of poor muslim societies the very  failure they anchored.

Make towbah before its too late. May Allah guide us to the right path. Amen

Abu Mujahid

>Because he is Obi-Wan Kenobi, a Jedi, in the triology Star Wars that's why <

Its obvious you love this Jewish Rabbi character with full veiw of all.  

Sign*Reader wrote: Abu Mujahid wrote: [QUOTE=Sign*Reader] >This is turning into real Special Olympics, even if you win you still are retarded. Its not a game. Its Islam and someone should stand up to your liberal thinking. Abu Mujahid

First I'm glad you gave in without noise or feared to response my previous post. Secondly, just as I expected its worst form of game on Islamic principles whether you named metaphor or else. Whenever I caught you red handed you lamented its you who didn't get it or understand. Or its internet metaphor.

>How about when you are in a hole, you should stop digging!<

Me or you?

>Who died and left you in charge of the Islamic thought police?

Islamic thought police? nice new liberal terminology!!!. I'm on charge on myself but also doing dawah in this liberal website that want to rewrite Islam.

>Why would a person of your thinking be attending a kafir funded university in the first place?<

You should be ignornat about Islam by saying as such. What about  the tax's I pay for instance?!!

>And let me educate you a bit,

Go ahead ya liberal fiqih to see what you offer!!!

>what applies here is the law of neighbors & travels wherein Allah with his great wisdom tells the believers to be good to their neighbors without preconditions of their faiths.

Law of neighbors!!!Without preconditions!!!!Ya salam!!! what a fiqih.

 >I say other fella was Waleed's neighbor in this instance<

Wallahi it gets better by second. Do you see fellow muslims the American Islamic perspective!!! and their new American Islamic version on this incident.

 
>4:36 Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbors who are near, neighbors who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious<.

For curosity, what is the meaning of  "what your right hands possess: Since you have an American perspective you should have difficult to accept that in its old stand. Listen ya fiqih, your citation of this verse shows how far is your Islamic teaching. The verse shows some general rights for neighbors and dying for someone kafir is not part of it. So why lying? if you want to put a new liberal tafsir to justify your un-islamic stand then go ahead but don't lie in this fashion on Allah. No Tafsir has said such thing.

Do you see what I meant by The Special Olympics? I don't want to be part of it, it is all yours.

Indeed I see what you meant. But I never thought you will go to this far. For that reason I refuse to be part of your American  perspective or your liberal thinking in Islam. 

Abu Mujahid

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem,

To all who contributed to the defense of the great Islaamic honor and dignity and kindness of dear Brother Waleed, May Allah, The Most Loving, continue to guide you, and Jazzek Allah Khayr.

Sorry for not listening, Pidrem, but I had to try.  Yes, You're right again!

Bismillah,

Fundraising for Brother Waleed Shalan's family:

 In http://us.f306.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[email protected]" target=_blank rel=nofollow>[email protected] , "egyptstudentsunionuk"
> <egyptstudentsunionuk@...> wrote:
>
> Dear all
> In response to your appreciated gestures, the ESUUK
> will start
> collecting money for our colleague engineer Waleed
> Shalan who passed
> away in the Virginia Tech fire rampage. Dr.Ahmed Tag
> (president of
> Hull branch) will thankfully be in charge and
> mediate the course of
> action. DR.Rasha Waheed (president of Manchester
> branch and the
> treasurer of the ESUUK) who is in charge of all the
> financial
> aspects of the union, will thankfully audit and
> announce the
> donation as it builds up. You can donate through the
> ESUUK bank
> account, details are as follows:
>
> HSBC
> Sort code: 403130
> Account no: 31718959
> Please note Waleed Shalan name as to tag your
> donation.
>
> Following this move, we are thinking of having an
> ESUUK emergency
> managing fund, to be dedicated if similar accidents
> happened for on
> of our colleagues in the UK and Ireland. We propose
> an annual fee
> (say �10) to be collected from each member for this
> fund. If we got
> an encouraging response from you, we would go
> forward and plan the
> project in details.
>
> All the best

Here is a Web Site in Brother Waleed's memory

http://muslimmatters.org/2007/08/03/the-tribute-to-virginia-tech-muslim-hero-waleed-shaalan/ - http://muslimmatters.org/2007/08/03/the-tribute-to-virginia- tech-muslim-hero-waleed-shaalan/

 I could not understand the post of Abu Mujahid of 25 May 2007 and that of sign*Reader. But it appeared to me that the one who was supporting to help the neighbor was the right person. God bless. Charity is the best and should be encouraged.

minuteman wrote:    I could not understand the post of Abu Mujahid of 25 May 2007 and that of sign*Reader. But it appeared to me that the one who was supporting to help the neighbor was the right person. God bless. Charity is the best and should be encouraged.

Minuteman,

It is better to read the whole thread before you blame someone without Islamic reason.

Walid

 Thanks for the advice but I feel that I was in the right direction. Acting on your advice, I checked and I feel that Abu Mujahid is entirely wrong. Now what do you say? please inform me. Thanks.