The phrase �American Islam� was originally coined by shaheed Sayyid Qutb (the Ikhwan ideologue who was executed by the Egyptian regime in 1966), and was later also used by shaheed Ali Shariati (who did so much to prepare the groundwork for the Islamic Revolution in Iran before his assassination by the Shah�s secret service in London in 1977) and Imam Khomeini (ra).  For them, it signified a minimalist, quietist, personal Islam that could happily co-exist with American political hegemony and the norms and values of a materialist, secular, consumerist society.  It has become a term used with contempt by Muslims around the world, as indeed most things �American� are.

It is, therefore, ironically appropriate that this phrase should now have been adopted by neo-conservative ideologues who hope to create a West-friendly version of Islam, such as Daniel Pipes, as well as the Muslim renegades in organizations like the Progressive Muslim Union of North America (PMUNA), who are willing to work with them.  These include Muslims who regard themselves as �cultural Muslims� or even �atheist Muslims�, who are willing both to attack every fundamental basis of Islamic belief, including even the Qur�an itself, and to offer total support and legitimacy to any and every Western policy.  Their most recent gimmick is mixed-sex jumah prayers in New York, led by a woman.  The event was given widespread publicity in the western and  international media as a laudable attempt by American Muslims to update sexist Islamic teachings and practices.

As'salamu Alikum wr wb

So now it's allowed to attack Americans and American values just because it's popular to bash Americans. I thought that there were rules on these boards? apparently they only apply to those who are none Muslims or to people who disagree with Muslims.

Do NOT ATTACK anyone or thier culture. yours is the voice of hate. And that's all you're doing is spewing hate and these guys are allowing you to express your anger and hate in these forms against Americans and American culture. Why don't you worry about yourself and your family and leave America and Americans alone!

American Basher thread.

Raymond

Gee why such sad face?

Why don't post some denial to the post - so that I can fax it to its writer - Mr. Siddiqui in London (UK).

Rehmat,

Why you didn't put the source in detail (url if any) in the first place. So people can refer back to the source. So probabaly the readers can get more info and understand the point better.  This comment also apply to your other posts.

semar wrote: Rehmat, Why you didn't put the source in detail (url if any) in the first place. So people can refer back to the source. So probabaly the readers can get more info and understand the point better.  This comment also apply to your other posts.

Because Mr. professor you did not understand the last sentence of my post ...merit no further consideration. (Muslimedia). What you think (Muslimedia) stands for?

rami wrote: ...As long as Rehmat follows the forum guidlines he is free to say anything he likes

Correction brother - Rehmat cannot say any thing which is against Holy Qur'an and the Prophet's (pbuh) Sunnah - And that was my moto as a former Moderator of a 'former Muslim website'.

Wa Salaam.

Rehmat wrote: Correction brother - Rehmat cannot say any thing which is against Holy Qur'an and the Prophet's (pbuh) Sunnah - And that was my moto as a former Moderator of a 'former Muslim website'. Wa Salaam.

Talk about a hoax against holly quran/sunnah; rude, impolite, blaming others also against quran/sunnah.

Which website? We may want to see what kind of moderating you did. Did you shut up all comment that not inline with your own opinion?

semar wrote: Talk about a hoax against holly quran/sunnah; rude, impolite, blaming others also against quran/sunnah. Which website? We may want to see what kind of moderating you did. Did you shut up all comment that not inline with your own opinion?

No Rabbi, I am sure you know which site I was talking about - because you were there too!

What I did why that site was spamed by ADL propagandists - the same thing I am doing here and at several other sites - exposing Zionists and Israli lies.

Rehmat,
Actually I agree and understand what you want to do, exposing the thing that regular media do not do. However you have to be more selective, more careful, do check and recheck, the source credible or not, or just a hoax. Do not just threw everything as long attack Zionism or the west without check and recheck, without considering the source credible or not, if so people will not trust you, they will not listen to you. So your effort will be useless.

If you do it carefully, strategically, politely insha Allah people will trust you, so you can reshape their opinion. Because they are not illiterate, they are educated, they can do research and get information from anywhere not only from you, so if you threw a garbage they will run away and get it from somewhere else that probably from source that not in your side.

Secondly I believe you know the following ayah well, that teach us to deal and talk with them in the best manner:

16:125 Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.

29:46 And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)."

73:10 And have patience with what they say, and leave them with noble (dignity).

Lastly, please do it with result oriented, means you have to do the best way that you can to get result that you expected, not just do it without considering the result. And every now and then you have to evaluate the method/approach that you use work or not. This doesn't mean that we don't believe that the result in depend on Allah will, but to see our approach is already in-line sunatullah (Allah's law).

For Rami: thanks for the reminder, actually my comments was not only for this thread but for rehmat's post in general.

unity1 wrote: ...Muslimmedia according to your understanding means pro-muslim,where merit doesnot count am I right brother Rehmat?

Correction dear. 'Muslimedia' is a well known independent Islamic website, which I have quoted several times here - and 'some non-Muslims' know this from our 'encounters' on other sites. However, for your sake I post it again.

http://www.muslimedia.com/mainpage.htm - http://www.muslimedia.com/mainpage.htm

Wa Salaam