DavidC wrote: Kahmeini rules Iran.  Ahmadmeninjad is only a figurehead trying to establish a populist base of power. I think a big part of the US diplomatic strategy is to keep this competition alive.

He is totally out of picture.

Ahmadinejad rules Iran.

I find it funny that here in Australia the gov't is looking at nuclear energy as a cheap way for giving energy resources than coal. And here we have this issue with iran

If you're going to tell one country not to do it - for whatever reason - then you shouldn't really do it. I don't know. I know there are those that probably use it for negative purposes.

We should be looking at what happened in Chenoybl, they tried and they still have consequences after these years.

ak_m_f wrote: salman_s wrote: DavidC wrote: Kahmeini rules Iran.  Ahmadmeninjad is only a figurehead trying to establish a populist base of power.I think a big part of the US diplomatic strategy is to keep this competition alive. <!-- Signature -->From where are you getting this Kahmeni? He is totally out of picture. Ahmadinejad rules Iran.   If Iran is so "good", Then why dont you move there?

just because Iran is 'good' i will move there?

i feel that india is more good than iran, and i love my india very much.

DavidC wrote: Khameini rules Iran.  He is Leader, and as such exercises supreme religious and political power. http://www.iranonline.com/iran/iran-info/Government/leadership.html - http://www.iranonline.com/iran/iran-info/Government/leadersh ip.html Ahmadmeninjad is only the president.  Anything he proposes in his 4-8 years can be overruled by Khameini, who rules for life. Ahmagmeninjad is essentially a manager, and the Ayatollahs will not put up with an accumulation of power by this secular office.  They are going to insist all real power be held by the theocracy.

there is a great leader in this world after so many years, his name Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - the President of Iran.

i feel that ahmadinejad dominates khameini.

you ask anybody in the world who rules iran, and the first name that comes to his mind is ahmadinejad.

DavidC wrote: Look at the facts, my friend, not your desires. If you think Ahmadmeninjad dominates Khomeini you are simply wrong.  He is just getting more publicity lately.  The fact that you never heard of Khomeini before I mentioned him reflects your ignorance of Iraninan politics. Only Khomeini has the power to make foreign policy and to declare war.  Ahmadmeninjad has only domestic influence, and even that is always inferior to the judgement of the Ayatollahs.  Iran has clearly spelled out the powers both branches of government have in their website.

i feel that khameini himself feels that mahmoud ahmadinejad is guiding the country towards prosperity, just like all the iranians feel, and khameini may not deny any of the suggestions and procedures of ahmadinejad, and khameini may work on the footsteps of ahmadinejad

ak_m_f wrote: This is the funniest part: guiding the country towards prosperity

what is so funny in this.....you will get to know yourself in a few years' time who is being serious and who funny

ak_m_f wrote: salman_s wrote: ak_m_f wrote: This is the funniest part: guiding the country towards prosperity what is so funny in this.....you will get to know yourself in a few years' time who is being serious and who funny yes.. they will drink oil and eat sand.

really? has that ever happened to you ak?....

ak_m_f wrote: salman_s wrote: ak_m_f wrote: This is the funniest part: guiding the country towards prosperity what is so funny in this.....you will get to know yourself in a few years' time who is being serious and who funny yes.. they will drink oil and eat sand.

they will make their enemies eat oil and drink sand.

salman_s wrote: ak_m_f wrote: salman_s wrote: ak_m_f wrote: This is the funniest part: guiding the country towards prosperity what is so funny in this.....you will get to know yourself in a few years' time who is being serious and who funny yes.. they will drink oil and eat sand. they will make their enemies eat oil and drink sand.

they will make their enemies drink oil and eat sand.

ak_m_f & Co

Has anyone of the great experts on Iran and the of absolute US omnipotence ever seen if not heard what Ahmednijad actually said and what he stands for?

Life has just one absolute permanence about her and that's perpetual change. The US does NOT hold Life, not even the world for that matter. Her role has been scammed in the heads of illegitimate Muslim rulers.

It is 50 years since the greatest misquotation of the cold war. At a Kremlin reception for western ambassadors in 1956, the Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev announced: "We will bury you." Those four words were seized on by American hawks as proof of aggressive Soviet intent.

Doves who pointed out that the full quotation gave a less threatening message were drowned out. Khrushchev had actually said: "Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you." It was a harmless boast about socialism's eventual victory in the ideological competition with capitalism. He was not talking about war.

Now we face a similar propaganda distortion of remarks by Iran's president. Ask anyone in Washington, London or Tel Aviv if they can cite any phrase uttered by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the chances are high they will say he wants Israel "wiped off the map".

Again it is four short words, though the distortion is worse than in the Khrushchev case. The remarks are not out of context. They are wrong, pure and simple. Ahmadinejad never said them. Farsi speakers have pointed out that he was mistranslated. The Iranian president was quoting an ancient statement by Iran's first Islamist leader, the late Ayatollah Khomeini, that "this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" just as the Shah's regime in Iran had vanished.

He was not making a military threat. He was calling for an end to the occupation of Jerusalem at some point in the future. The "page of time" phrase suggests he did not expect it to happen soon. There was no implication that either Khomeini, when he first made the statement, or Ahmadinejad, in repeating it, felt it was imminent, or that Iran would be involved in bringing it about.

But the propaganda damage was done, and western hawks bracket the Iranian president with Hitler as though he wants to exterminate Jews. At the recent annual convention of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a powerful lobby group, huge screens switched between pictures of Ahmadinejad making the false "wiping off the map" statement and a ranting Hitler.

Misquoting Ahmadinejad is worse than taking Khrushchev out of context for a second reason. Although the Soviet Union had a collective leadership, the pudgy Russian was the undoubted No 1 figure, particularly on foreign policy. The Iranian president is not.

His predecessor, Mohammad Khatami, was seen in the west as a moderate reformer, and during his eight years in office western politicians regularly lamented the fact that he was not Iran's top decision-maker. Ultimate power lay with the conservative unelected supreme leader Ayatollah Khamenei. Yet now that Ahmadinejad is president, western hawks behave as though he is in charge, when in fact nothing has changed. Ahmadinejad is not the only important voice in Tehran. Indeed Khamenei was quick to try to adjust the misperceptions of Ahmadinejad's comments. A few days after the president made them, Khamenei said Iran "will not commit aggression against any nation".

The evidence suggests that a debate is going on in Tehran over policy towards the west which is no less fierce than the one in Washington. Since 2003 the Iranians have made several overtures to the Bush administration, some more explicit than others. Ahmadinejad's recent letter to Bush was a veiled invitation to dialogue. Iranians are also arguing over policy towards Israel. Trita Parsi, an analyst at Johns Hopkins University, says influential rivals to Ahmadinejad support a "Malaysian" model whereby Iran, like Islamic Malaysia, would not recognise Israel but would not support Palestinian groups such as Hamas, if relations with the US were better.

The obvious way to develop the debate is for the two states to start talking to each other. Last winter the Americans said they were willing, provided talks were limited to Iraq. Then the hawks around Bush vetoed even that narrow agenda. Their victory made nonsense of the pressure the US is putting on other UN security council members for tough action against Iran. Talk of sanctions is clearly premature until Washington and Tehran make an effort to negotiate. This week, in advance of Condoleezza Rice's meeting in Vienna yesterday with the foreign ministers of Britain, France, Germany, China and Russia, the factions in Washington hammered out a compromise. The US is ready to talk to Tehran alongside the EU3 (Britain, France and Germany), but only after Tehran has abandoned its uranium-enrichment programme.

To say the EU3's dialogue with Tehran was sufficient, as Washington did until this week, was the most astonishing example of multilateralism in the Bush presidency. A government that makes a practice of ignoring allies and refuses to accept the jurisdiction of bodies such as the International Criminal Court was leaving all the talking to others on one of the hottest issues of the day. Unless Bush is set on war, this refusal to open a dialogue could not be taken seriously.

The EU3's offer of carrots for Tehran was also meaningless without a US role. Europe cannot give Iran security guarantees. Tehran does not want non-aggression pacts with Europe. It wants them with the only state that is threatening it both with military attack and foreign-funded programmes for regime change.

The US compromise on talks with Iran is a step in the right direction, though Rice's hasty statement was poorly drafted, repeatedly calling Iran both a "government" and a "regime". But it is absurd to expect Iran to make concessions before sitting down with the Americans. Dialogue is in the interests of all parties. Europe's leaders, as well as Russia and China, should come out clearly and tell the Americans so.

Whatever Iran's nuclear ambitions, even US hawks admit it will be years before it could acquire a bomb, let alone the means to deliver it. This offers ample time for negotiations and a "grand bargain" between Iran and the US over Middle Eastern security. Flanked by countries with US bases, Iran has legitimate concerns about Washington's intentions.

Even without the US factor, instability in the Gulf worries all Iranians, whether or not they like being ruled by clerics. All-out civil war in Iraq, which could lead to intervention by Turkey and Iraq's Arab neighbours, would be a disaster for Iran. If the US wants to withdraw from Iraq in any kind of order, this too will require dialogue with Iran. If this is what Blair told Bush last week, he did well. But he should go all the way, and urge the Americans to talk without conditions.

This primarily our area and we hold every single right to deal with it in our regional best interests. The Neo Colonials and go and lick something or just be content on getting oil at the going market rate from our region.

Global balance is not changing, it changed on 15 Feb 2003 when Peoples' Super Power hit the streets. It also changed the day some stupid American boasted "Bring em on" and when the Super Power decided to teach him and his electors a lesson.

So if you think the US decides things round the globe then just hug Musharraf for he may be the only man (plus, his ReadyMade Duty-Free Imported Prime Minister) left in our world today not to treat the US as the Sunset Power.

Ak_M_F,you can't see any Canadian( if not drunkard) who supports the politics of US,you are the first Canadian i met on the net who is negative and astrayed from his nation....All Canadians are full of love and tolerance...you may reconsider...

I am not "negative and astrayed", I am realistic.

Wonder if you would share some of your antique realistic wisdom with us also. I also love the 60's, the music, the movies and the US of that day brings some fine memories.

The reality of 2006 is different; the US has turned into a Sunset Power.

Great to know some of us still live in 1966.

BlueSun wrote: Great to know China is going to be the new World Super Power !!

India and China, both are in the race, and currently Indian economy is growing the fastest in the world.

So you must know that India can be the new world super power !

India has always been a good power.

You mean the goras flocked to India in the 18th century just to teach the Indians how to speak English? They headed that direction just for it was the rishest country on earth, turning out 72% of the global produce.

India had lived in cultural harmony for a good thousand years. Then, god bless, the Hang Low Sexnons arrived, played their tricks and implemented the Mayo Plan to divide, rule and destroy the sub-continent. It resulted in what we have in hand today.

It's about time the Indians (I mean the sub-continentals) started behaving themselves just to teach a lesson to the London y Washington devils. They are just a strange and beautiful cultured mind, you never know, just one day they might!

Whisper wrote: India had lived in cultural harmony for a good thousand years.

Whisper, where do you buy your rose-tinted spectacles? Is it the same shop where Salman gets his?

Yes it can only happen in your fantasies

My son, our entire world is the creation of some mad mens' fantasies. Who would have thought of getting out of a cave and start living in an some open plan shelter, later came to be known as a House?

Even today, if you visit any part of Hind people of all shades, religions and colours live together in better harmony than I have been able notice in some UK or US cities.

If and when you stop looking at the Indian through your Norte Americano media coloured lense, you will begin to see and, possibly, also feel the reality. It took our great Ingleesh Colonials over 90 years since after the shock of the First War of Indian Independence (1857 - which the Brits spin as "Mutiny") first

* to study the Indian habits (from 1861 to 1891) and

then implement the world's single largest project - the Mayo Plan - to sow hatred amongst their own subjects rightdown to the DISTRICT level.

You will see that the Hindi is a very cultured animal, I mean only if you don't measure culture through the makes of cars parked in some Joe Bloggs drive or the hamburgers he consumes though one single movie, slouched in front of his channel hunting TV.

Yes, my friend, I do believe in miracles and this belief has multiplied since the outbreak of our electronic age. Yes, my friend, I sincerely believe that India will rise out of the dirty blows she was dealt by some filthy racist colonial thugs. She is fast rising out of the Divide & Rule Mayo Plan + very soon, when my campaign starts with the publication of my book, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and possibly even the Afghans will rise to challenge the lines drawn between their countries by some of the filthiest monkies I have ever had the chance of knowing in my life.

That, my friend, is my mission in life. That's the only way you would have peace in that area. If you look around the globe you will find tat somehow whenever the Hang Low Sexnons touch or even look at an area it just begins to wither. Every country the US has ever befriended or aided - has just been left with pots and pans to rattle - ever without food or money - like our poor Argentinians of just a few years ago.

Insha Allah, I will cleanse my area of these gun runners, murderers, habitual crooks and war criminals. You may call it a fantasy, but then I don't know any great man who didn't start with one.

Colin wrote: Whisper wrote: India had lived in cultural harmony for a good thousand years. Whisper, where do you buy your rose-tinted spectacles? Is it the same shop where Salman gets his?

atleast we are not blind like you who have eyes still can't see the truth what is happening around the world....

Whisper wrote: Who would have thought of getting out of a cave and start living in an some open plan shelter, later came to be known as a House?

whisper, i don't believe in cavemen, apes etc.

My son, our entire world is the creation of some mad mens' fantasies. Who would have thought of getting out of a cave and start living in an some open plan shelter, later came to be known as a House?

..or bungalow.

Even today, if you visit any part of Hind people of all shades, religions and colours live together in better harmony than I have been able notice in some UK or US cities.

That must be an unexpected benefit of the caste system.

If and when you stop looking at the Indian through your Norte Americano media coloured lense,

I seldom  tune in to the American media.

you will begin to see and, possibly, also feel the reality. It took our great Ingleesh Colonials over 90 years since after the shock of the First War of Indian Independence (1857 - which the Brits spin as "Mutiny") first

What about the Moghul colonials?

* to study the Indian habits (from 1861 to 1891) and

then implement the world's single largest project - the Mayo Plan -

Wasn't that a plan to supply Mayonnaise to the sub-continent

to sow hatred amongst their own subjects rightdown to the DISTRICT level.

..er...apparently not....

You will see that the Hindi is a very cultured animal,

So is the Hindi cow.....so much so, that they worship the bovine beauties.

I mean only if you don't measure culture through the makes of cars parked in some Joe Bloggs drive

Oh yes, I bow to the tin deities of motown and prostrate myself in fromt of corvette stingrays....and the occasional London taxi....

or the hamburgers he consumes though one single movie, slouched in front of his channel hunting TV.

I prefer cow sandwiches and playing tiddlywinks.

Yes, my friend, I do believe in miracles and this belief has multiplied since the outbreak of our electronic age..

Like the miracle of you using filthy American software and wicked western technology to type such bilge on an innocent unsuspecting discussion forum.

Yes, my friend, I sincerely believe that India will rise out of the dirty blows she was dealt by some filthy racist colonial thugs.

Leave the Moghuls out of this...

She is fast rising out of the Divide & Rule Mayo Plan + very soon, when my campaign starts with the publication of my book,

The Da Whisper Code?

India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and possibly even the Afghans will rise to challenge the lines drawn between their countries by some of the filthiest monkies I have ever had the chance of knowing in my life.

Well....nobody's perfect.

That, my friend, is my mission in life.

Well get off this quaint little forum and go start your west-bashing revolution.

That's the only way you would have peace in that area.

Yes that's sensible.... let's all start wars in the name of peace

If you look around the globe you will find tat somehow whenever the Hang Low Sexnons touch or even look at an area it just begins to wither.

and everything Whisper touches turns to hatred...

Every country the US has ever befriended or aided - has just been left with pots and pans to rattle - ever without food or money - like our poor Argentinians of just a few years ago.

I thought they did a great job in Guam..

ak_m_f wrote: salman_s wrote: Indian economy is growing the fastest in the world. So you must know that India can be the new world super power ! India does not expect to overtake China's growth rate anytime in the near future, and even if it did, China's per capital income level will continue to remain much higher than India's. China was growing at over 9 per cent, india can never catch up to China.

in which world are you ak....

don't you know india has already overtaken China in economic growth rate

and now india is the fastest growing economy in the world

salman_s wrote: Colin wrote: Whisper wrote: India had lived in cultural harmony for a good thousand years. Whisper, where do you buy your rose-tinted spectacles? Is it the same shop where Salman gets his? atleast we are not blind like you who have eyes still can't see the truth what is happening around the world....

Salman, that's so ironic coming from you....you are nearly a comedian.

ak_m_f wrote: [QUOTE=Whisper]It's about time the Indians (I mean the sub-continentals) started behaving themselves just to teach a lesson to the London y Washington devils. They are just a strange and beautiful cultured mind, you never know, just one day they might!QUOTE] Yes it can only happen in your fantasies

it is said that India will be the new world super power till 2050

insha Allah it will happen in reality

Colin wrote: salman_s wrote: Colin wrote: Whisper wrote: India had lived in cultural harmony for a good thousand years. Whisper, where do you buy your rose-tinted spectacles? Is it the same shop where Salman gets his? atleast we are not blind like you who have eyes still can't see the truth what is happening around the world.... Salman, that's so ironic coming from you....you are nearly a comedian.

colin, that's so figurative speeches coming from you...irony, simile, metaphor.... you are nearly a poet.

and the reply above which you gave to whisper itself proves it that you are nearly a poet

Colin wrote: I'm nearly a poet....but I didn't know it..

so know it now from me...

Whisper, where do you buy your rose-tinted spectacles? Is it the same shop where Salman gets his?

Mi Lord Colin, I got my Reality Lenses fitted at a shop just two and half streets away from the British Spin Stores.

There are Tuzeks - (Diaries in Farsi) kept by eminent persons and some cases also by just the men in the street available by the gross. Unfortunately, these accounts are in Farsi (the official language of the entire sub-continent till the Brits changed it obviously to Ingleesh in 1912) and Turkish.

Plus, the Indian is brought up in a society where people actually speak with each other (unlike in our Shires). A lot of Indian scribes have spoken to themselves at length in Tuzeks in a whole range of local dialects.

When we study these we come to assemble an account of ahle hind and their Hindestan. This account comes to stand at the farthest end of the racist spin offered to the English readers.

My friend, I know, they did not speak English, but before the Brits set foot on the sub-continent, they had some enviable life. Why else would all European de nasties be dying to strike the route to that fabled land? Poor Columbus was mad with delight to have reached there, but just imagine his sadness on seeing today what he had opened up!

My friend, the Brits have a lot to explain, apologise and settle compensation for having mutilated cultures, distorting human societies by force, for looting other peoples' treasures (I am not talking of Elgin marbles, here!) and for practising utter most racist systems across the globe.

Israel was a British dream long before any Zionists were coined or invented by the Special Services. Do you want me to quote Churchill in 1912 verbatim? Or, shall we leave it just for the day?

Love your shades, far better tint by the world's best experienced Tint and Spin Masters.

Whisper, where do you buy your rose-tinted spectacles? Is it the same shop where Salman gets his?

Mi Lord Colin, I got my Reality Lenses fitted at a shop just two and half streets away from the British Spin Stores.

Maharaja Whisper, what are you doing shopping in a filthy capitalist emporium?

There are Tuzeks - (Diaries in Farsi) kept by eminent persons and some cases also by just the men in the street available by the gross. Unfortunately, these accounts are in Farsi (the official language of the entire sub-continent till the Brits changed it obviously to Ingleesh in 1912) and Turkish.

I see.

Plus, the Indian is brought up in a society where people actually speak with each other (unlike in our Shires). 

Speak to each other?....What a novel concept.

A lot of Indian scribes have spoken to themselves at length in Tuzeks in a whole range of local dialects.

That's nice.

When we study these we come to assemble an account of ahle hind and their Hindestan. This account comes to stand at the farthest end of the racist spin offered to the English readers.

Is the Indian caste system better than racism?

My friend, I know, they did not speak English, but before the Brits set foot on the sub-continent, they had some enviable life. Why else would all European de nasties be dying to strike the route to that fabled land?

Curry... the Brits needed curry..

Poor Columbus was mad with delight to have reached there, but just imagine his sadness on seeing today what he had opened up!

Chrissy Columbus...what a man.....I didn't realise that he also discovered India.

My friend, the Brits have a lot to explain, apologise and settle compensation for having mutilated cultures,

So have the Moghuls.

distorting human societies by force,

So have the Moghuls.

for looting other peoples' treasures (I am not talking of Elgin marbles, here!)

So have the Moghuls.

 and for practising utter most racist systems across the globe.

I bet if you were born an "untouchable" in the Indian caste system you might have a different take on things.

Israel was a British dream long before any Zionists were coined or invented by the Special Services. Do you want me to quote Churchill in 1912 verbatim? Or, shall we leave it just for the day?

You quote Churchill if you want, and I'll counter-quote something in history that will reflect bad on your idealised worldview. ...but I don't want to get into such a time wasting excercise.

Love your shades, far better tint by the world's best experienced Tint and Spin Masters.

At least I can recognise my country's failings...Just remember this Sir Whisper of Have-gun-istan..We Brits were a great nation until those filthy Romans conquered us and made us wear gay open-toed sandals and effeminate nylon togas....and gave us sanitation...and wine...and olive oil....and decent roads...and made it safe to walk the streets at night.....and built nice houses with proper chimneys..and.....

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ak_m_f wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee

umm, it should be tea leaves

Angel wrote: ak_m_f wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee umm, it should be tea leaves

...or wake up and smell the curry.

Colin wrote: Angel wrote: ak_m_f wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee umm, it should be tea leaves ...or wake up and smell the curry.

true right!

Dear salman, you posted the following:

"there is a great leader in this world after so many years, his name Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - the President of Iran.

i feel that ahmadinejad dominates khameini.

you ask anybody in the world who rules iran, and the first name that comes to his mind is ahmadinejad."

Since I had just watched a documentary on TV the other night about Khameini, I wanted to show you what I have learned.  Is this correct or not?

"Since 1979, Iran has been ruled by an occult oligarchy with a strong theocratic component. That oligarchy sees itself as the embodiment of a messianic revolution in opposition to state structures that remain to be cleansed of millennia rule by "corrupt" kings, emirs and khans.

The oligarchy controls the real levers of power, sets policies, and imposes key decisions with little deference to the governmental fa�ade. That fa�ade is maintained as a first line of defense for the revolution which, so the oligarchs assert, is sill threatened by internal and external foes.

At the center of the oligarchy stands the "Office of the Leader," Ayatollah Ali Khameneh'i, the "Supreme Guide." Under the Khomeinist Constitution, the "Supreme Guide" represents Allah's sovereignty on earth and has unlimited powers. The opening articles of the Khomeinist Constitution, approved in 1979, make it clear that the "Supreme Guide" is also the leader of all Muslims throughout the world, whether they like it or not. Thus, theoretically at least, the Khomeinist "Supreme Guide" can decide what Islam is and is not at any given time.

But that is not all.

In practical terms, the "Supreme Guide" controls the purse strings of the Iranian state, one of the richest in the Muslim world. (In the past quarter of a century the "Supreme Guide" has supervised the expenditure of almost half a trillion dollars in Iran's oil income.) He must approve the national budget and is the commander-in-chief of all armed and security forces. Every ministerial, gubernatorial and ambassadorial appointment must receive his assent. Also, each year he has a cool $1.5 billion, some eight percent of Iran's average annual oil income, to play with as he pleases."

http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2004/Mar_04/who_rules_iran_29304.htm - http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2004/Mar_04/who_r ules_iran_29304.htm

Can you explain to me how the President is supposedly in charge of the government, above khameini?  I am confused.

God's Peace.

Thank Almighty God there is NOT so much hatred in the hearts of everyone:

Mother Teresa : (1910-1997)
Citizenship : India (since independence)
Home : Kalikata ~ or ~ The City of Joy

Mark Twain (1835-1910) wrote:

"So far as I am able to judge, nothing has been left undone, either by man or nature, to make India the most extraordinary country that the sun visits on his rounds. Nothing seems to have been forgotten, nothing overlooked."

"Land of religions , cradle of human race , birthplace of human speech , grandmother of legend , great grandmother of tradition. The land that all men desire to see and having seen once even by a glimpse , would not give that glimpse for the shows of the rest of the globe combined."

http://www.itihaas.com/independent/contrib9.html - The Ethical Strand Throughout the Ancient History of India (Bharat)

Gandhi wrote:

"The methods of conversion must be like Caesar's wife above suspicion. Faith is not imparted like secular subjects. Faith is given through the language of the heart. If a man has a living faith in him, it spreads its aroma like the rose its scent. Because of its invisibility, the extent of its influence is far wider than that of the visible beauty of the colour of its petals."

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A Poem by http://www.geocities.com/robbi01/guest.html - Edgar Guest says:

"I'd rather SEE a sermon
than hear one any day."

~ Mother Teresa of Calcutta ~

[Dear visitor, what about Mother Teresa's faith? Isn't it much like the rose that Gandhiji invoked? Isn't there something splendidly aromatic or all-embracing about Mother's life of service in India, an ancient land in certain respects almost quintessentially anti-Christian or anti-western. Yet this little lady has lit a candle that truly lights the world, attracting the admiration of millions, and the accolades of kings and presidents, prime ministers and Hollywood stars, unequivocal papal endorsement, the Nobel Prize -- and yes, the special blessing of Princess Diana, very nearly a "saint" in her own right. ]

The Path of Love

Spread love everywhere you go: first of all in your own house. Give love to your children, to your wife or husband, to a next door neighbor....Let no one come to you without leaving better or happier. Be the living expression of God's kindness; kindness in your face, kindness in your eyes, kindness in your smile and kindness in your warm greeting.

Once you know you have hurt someone be the first to say sorry. We cannot forgive unless we know that we need forgiveness, and forgiveness is the beginning of love.

 

Mother of Dying Destitutes of Calcutta:

In 1952, she opened the 'Nirmal Hriday', Home for Dying Destitutes, in a dormitory, formerly a Kali temple hostel, which was donated by the city of Calcutta. The Missionaries of Charity began to treat lepers there in 1957. Two years later, they opened the first house outside Calcutta, in Drachi. Soon afterward, they expanded to Delhi and other cities.

Though her Calcutta clinic was the center of Mother Teresa�s growing charity and the place she called home, her work expanded the globe, with more than 500 missions in 120 countries. Wherever people needed comfort, she was there: among the hungry in Ethiopia, the radiation victims at Chernobyl, the rubble of Armenia�s earthquake, in the squalid townships of South Africa.Her order opened one of the first homes for AIDS victims."

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If we could all develop the philosophy regarding life that this blessed woman had, what a wonderful world this would be! 

Peace to All!

Well, I don't know what percentage comes to the US, but whatever it is.....we do pay for it.  It's not like we're stealing it.  I do wonder sometimes what will happen when we do finally have cars which are not dependent on gasoline....and that day will soon be at hand. 

God's Peace.

we do pay for it.

No one seems to have got the $8 point some billion back stolen through our good old Paul Bremmer!

The US does pay for the oil.

I agree, but then why does the US have to kill for controlling oil countries and alienate the locals by keeping their pimps planted to rule these countries?

ak_m_f wrote: salman_s wrote: Tehran warns of fuel disruptions and what % of Irani oil goes to USA ?

Tehran warns of fuel disruption...it did not specify that it warns of fuel disruption to U.S.......by this you can understand that its warning is not just to U.S. but also to its allies and to the entire world...

Colin wrote: If Iran threaten fuel disruption the US will probably ask Saudi Arabia to step up production. They've done it before when supplies have been endangered. Also, I doubt if Iran would want to limit production too much and lose out on oil revenue.

how do you know that saudi will do only that which U.S. says?

U.S. cannot bully everybody.

salman_s wrote: Colin wrote: If Iran threaten fuel disruption the US will probably ask Saudi Arabia to step up production. They've done it before when supplies have been endangered. Also, I doubt if Iran would want to limit production too much and lose out on oil revenue. how do you know that saudi will do only that which U.S. says? U.S. cannot bully everybody.

They have done it before and could do it again....but without speaking to the Saudi royal family I can't be 100% certain.

Mi Lord Colin, I got my Reality Lenses fitted at a shop just two and half streets away from the British Spin Stores.

Maharaja Whisper, what are you doing shopping in a filthy capitalist emporium?

Mi Lord, Mahraja is normally a Khanzadeh's vassal, but the shop, as I said, is a good two and a half streets past this Cap It All ist emporium.

There are Tuzeks - (Diaries in Farsi) kept by eminent persons and some cases also by just the men in the street available by the gross. Unfortunately, these accounts are in Farsi (the official language of the entire sub-continent till the Brits changed it obviously to Ingleesh in 1912) and Turkish.

I see. I sincerely wish one day you do.

Plus, the Indian is brought up in a society where people actually speak with each other (unlike in our Shires). 

Speak to each other?....What a novel concept. In fact, at once normal when we leave the shores of Great Britain, you will see even Brits start talking with each other!

A lot of Indian scribes have spoken to themselves at length in Tuzeks in a whole range of local dialects.

That's nice. Yes, that used to be very nice, but now they just sit and watch "Antakshari" or other things on Zee or B4U.

When we study these we come to assemble an account of ahle hind and their Hindestan. This account comes to stand at the farthest end of the racist spin offered to the English readers.

Is the Indian caste system better than racism? No, but the Indian caste system has not been patronised by the state.

My friend, I know, they did not speak English, but before the Brits set foot on the sub-continent, they had some enviable life. Why else would all European de nasties be dying to strike the route to that fabled land?

Curry... the Brits needed curry.. Ah, but we never saw them eating anything other than stake & spuds when they were here.

Poor Columbus was mad with delight to have reached there, but just imagine his sadness on seeing today what he had opened up!

Chrissy Columbus...what a man.....I didn't realise that he also discovered India. The poor chap had thought that's where 'e was.

My friend, the Brits have a lot to explain, apologise and settle compensation for having mutilated cultures,

So have the Moghuls. Really, they seem to have Indianised so well that the Indians never had to shout "Quit India" at them.

distorting human societies by force,

So have the Moghuls. I wish we could find some examples.

for looting other peoples' treasures (I am not talking of Elgin marbles, here!)

So have the Moghuls. And took it where?

 and for practising utter most racist systems across the globe.

I bet if you were born an "untouchable" in the Indian caste system you might have a different take on things. I agree, but it's not implemented in India by the government of the day. Plus, at least the untouchables are not today forced to consume salt from some Cheshire mines or line up for Rochdale woven cloth.

Israel was a British dream long before any Zionists were coined or invented by the Special Services. Do you want me to quote Churchill in 1912 verbatim? Or, shall we leave it just for the day?

You quote Churchill if you want, and I'll counter-quote something in history that will reflect bad on your idealised worldview. ...but I don't want to get into such a time wasting excercise. My friend, Churchill's dream of "a land of four million jews (when there were less than 100,000 jews in the whole of Palestine) in the heart of Arablands . . . serving British interest . . ." has caused bloodshed and global distress, it has promoted terrorism.

I hold no idealised worldview. I have even stood against Afghan colonialism of my own forefathers.

Love your shades, far better tint by the world's best experienced Tint and Spin Masters.

At least I can recognise my country's failings...Just remember this Sir Whisper of Have-gun-istan..We Brits were a great nation until those filthy Romans conquered us and made us wear gay open-toed sandals and effeminate nylon togas....and gave us sanitation...and wine...and olive oil....and decent roads...and made it safe to walk the streets at night.....and built nice houses with proper chimneys..and..... Oh yes, those B's . . . but I do love the A 5.

Whisper wrote: Colin is not always wrong, he strays only when he is wearing the Great Brit Shades

You are wrong on this one Sir Whisper. I wear global shades that have a special coating which allows me to see that Britain (Like just about every country on Earth) has episodes in her history which there is nothing to be proud of.

 to overlook how the Brits have cooked some of the worst flares in our world - out of sheer greed

I don't think we've cooked any flares (I've never tasted cooked trousers)..but we have cooked some pretty aweful meals...that's why had to steal India's curry powder.... We needed the lovely spices...

and utter racist attitudes. 

That sounds a bit racist to me......

That sounds a bit racist to me......

Then Mi Lord thou knowest not how our behaved in India and East Africa. Some accounts would make interesting reading. The Brits were outright racists and rather blatantly anti-Muslim all across their domain. It will also be very interesting meting some Indians in India. We would always ster clear of the Malaysians. Wasn't apartheid a British device? 

Whisper wrote: That sounds a bit racist to me...... Then Mi Lord thou knowest not how our behaved in India and East Africa. Some accounts would make interesting reading. The Brits were outright racists and rather blatantly anti-Muslim all across their domain. It will also be very interesting meting some Indians in India. We would always ster clear of the Malaysians. Wasn't apartheid a British device?

Sir Mega-Raja of Whisperbad, how can thee possibly knowest wot I knowest and not knowest? I knowest that racism was not the sole preserve of the Brits but admit that we were very good at it. Most people in Britain today are very positive about our multi-cultural society, but I'm not so stoopid to think there aren't a fair share of closset racists hiding in the woodwork.

Also Sir Mega-Whisper of Rajabad, I was never one to swallow the BS that used to pass as history at Skool. I am aware of many of our colonial misadventures. I can't change the past, but I will speak out if I see fellow Brits reverting back to past attitudes or actions. That is partly the reason I have from day one, opposed the fiasco that is Iraq...or as I like to call it, operation barking up the wrong palm tree.

DavidC wrote: Look at the facts, my friend, not your desires. If you think Ahmadmeninjad dominates Khomeini you are simply wrong.  He is just getting more publicity lately.  The fact that you never heard of Khomeini before I mentioned him reflects your ignorance of Iraninan politics. Only Khomeini has the power to make foreign policy and to declare war.  Ahmadmeninjad has only domestic influence, and even that is always inferior to the judgement of the Ayatollahs.  Iran has clearly spelled out the powers both branches of government have in their website.

It's not about raising the issue of who has the upper hand in status, both of these great men, (may Allah s.w.t bless them) are working in the way of the Almighty, Ayatollah khomieini was the elite upon humanity, who moved Iran and it's people so effectively that touched every being in ways unimaginable. Ahemedmininjed is another follower who is making Iran stand firm also Alhamdulillah and with this, every believer has his back, whether in Iran or outside Iran.

I rest my case...Salam

DrEaMa...

DrEaMa wrote:   both of these great men, (may Allah s.w.t bless them) are working in the way of the Almighty, DrEaMa...

So does the almighty want Iran to wipe Israel of the face of the earth?

Mi Lord Colinius, if thee didn't smell nice in thy thought, like, I must admit, almost all my Ingleesh friends would I ever spend time for what ye sayeth?

On a less Shakespearean note: the Brits, te people in the street, are about the best in the world we can have as neighbours, associates and business partners. The ruling class is a simple nasty mess. The only thing worse in Britain than the rulling class is the Nuevo ruling class of the smirky Tony kind.

Ugh...

How I long for the days where it took months for a letter to reach from one place to the next...then I wouldn't have to see men arguing over who's "former" empire was more evil.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13123358/site/newsweek/ - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13123358/site/newsweek/

In a few years, I don't think we'll have to worry about America the Superpower.  My Grandchildren won't understand Whispers hatred of their country and the Whispers of 2050 will have India and China to hate.

Colin wrote: DrEaMa wrote:   both of these great men, (may Allah s.w.t bless them) are working in the way of the Almighty, DrEaMa... So does the almighty want Iran to wipe Israel of the face of the earth?

Allah is The One who owns us fully and nothing happens in the universe except as a result of His will

salman_s wrote: Colin wrote: DrEaMa wrote:   both of these great men, (may Allah s.w.t bless them) are working in the way of the Almighty, DrEaMa... So does the almighty want Iran to wipe Israel of the face of the earth? Allah is The One who owns us fully and nothing happens in the universe except as a result of His will

Ahsant brother, I guess if I was to get into further depth, I may be tredding on dangerous grounds, so I will leave it at that and have you absorb your own opinions on how you think this world operates. History is just repeating itself.

Salam Alaykum..

Mi Lord Colinius, if thee didn't smell nice in thy thought, like, I must admit, almost all my Ingleesh friends would I ever spend time for what ye sayeth?

Sir Whisper, my Shakespeare is not so advanced as thee's.. not sure if this is an insult or a compliment that ye is sayething to me?

On a less Shakespearean note: the Brits, te people in the street, are about the best in the world we can have as neighbours, associates and business partners. The ruling class is a simple nasty mess. The only thing worse in Britain than the rulling class is the Nuevo ruling class of the smirky Tony kind.

I think top public school education has a lot to answer for...turning out semi-arrogant clones, many almost believing that Britain still has an Empire.

ak_m_f wrote: salman_s wrote: Colin wrote: DrEaMa wrote:   both of these great men, (may Allah s.w.t bless them) are working in the way of the Almighty, DrEaMa... So does the almighty want Iran to wipe Israel of the face of the earth? Allah is The One who owns us fully and nothing happens in the universe except as a result of His will yes, but you are responsible for you own actions.

ak_m_f wrote: yes, but you are responsible for your own actions.

ak, tell this to colin bcuz see what colin wrote -

Colin wrote: So does the almighty want Iran to wipe Israel of the face of the earth?