Saddam Hussein & the Tower of Babel
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Topic: Saddam Hussein & the Tower of Babel
Posted By: Bismarck
Subject: Saddam Hussein & the Tower of Babel
Date Posted: 03 May 2006 at 3:12pm
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Saddam Hussein was at the height of his power during the 1980s. At that
time, he was propped up by both Moscow, primarily, and (at the urgings of the CIA, who were developing close working ties with Hussein's Soviet- trained Mukabarat) the Reagan Administration, secondarily. At that height of his power, Saddam Hussein styled himself as the reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar 2 (Nebu-kudurri-utsur, or Nebuchadrezzar). First, Saddam Hussein minted coins with his own profile superimposed upon that of Nebuchadrezzar [1]. Saddam also began rebuilding the ruins of ancient Babylon. Saddam put up a large mural of himself next to Nebuchadrezzar at the entrance to the ruins [3]. Also, Saddam rebuilt the 600-room palace of Nebuchadrezzar [2]. And echoing Nebuchadrezzar's practice, Saddam had his own name inscribed on the bricks used in the reconstruction. The inscriptions are reported to read: *"This was built by Saddam Hussein, son of Nebuchadnezzar, to glorify Iraq" (This recalls the ziggurat at Ur, where each individual brick was stamped with "Ur-Nammu, king of Ur, who built the temple of Nanna") [3] *"In the era of Saddam Hussein, protector of Iraq, who rebuilt civilization and rebuilt Babylon." [2] *"In the era of President Saddam Hussein all Babylon was constructed in three stages. From Nebuchadnezzar to Saddam Hussein, Babylon is rising again." [4] Saddam also built his own "Saddam's Palace" opposite and facing Nebuchadrezzar's. It is shaped like a Ziggurat and was built in 4 tiers. On the ceilings and walls of Saddam's palace, 360-degree murals depicted scenes from ancient Babylon, Ur, and the Tower of Babel. Throughout, pediments were engraved with the his initials, "SdH" [2]. And, most striking of all, Saddam began renovating the Ziggurat of Ur. He succeeded in rebuilding the lowest level and entrance staircase (see "photo 1", [8]). That Ziggurat was laid down at Ur around 2000 BCE by King Ur-Nammu (sometimes called Zur-Nammu or Ur-Engur [6]) as a tribute to the God “Sin” and was called “Etemennigur,” which meant “a house whose foundation creates terror" [5]. Ur-Nammu's successor, King Shulgi, completed the Ziggurat and declared himself a God [7]. And recall above how Saddam Hussein echoed the practices of Ur-Nammu by inscribing his intials throughout monumental buildings. Thus we see that Saddam Hussein not only stylized himself after Nebuchadrezzar, who butchered the Sons and Daughters of Abraham in Jerusalem (seemingly his intended message [1]), but also after Ur- Nammu, Shulgi, and the "Babylonian Renaissance" of their "3rd Dynasty of Ur". That is, Saddam Hussein styled himself a God. And, through his rebuilding of Babylon, Ur, and seen in his dramatic artistic recreations of the Tower of Babel, we see that Saddam Hussein attempted to begin the rebuilding of the Tower of Babel. And is this even anything new? The answer is a very emphatic "Hell no!" For Saddam's Marxist Communist God-less God-hating God-denying God-attacking Soviet masters in Moscow had, long earlier, attempted a far grander recreation of the Tower of Babel in Moscow itself. That building, the "Palace of the Soviets", was begun in 1933 over the ruins of the Eastern Orthodox Cathedral of Christ the Savior, which the Soviets demolished to make way for the Palace [10]. The "Palace of the Soviets" was meant to house the World Congress of Soviets [9] (do recall the globalist aspirations of God-less International Communism). Construction of Moscow's "Tower of Babel" was only halted by the German Invasion and Guderian's Panzers nearing Moscow in the winter of 1941, which forced the Soviets to tear down the hegemonic steel skeleton to use for building tanks. Today, another skyscraper vaguely reminiscent of the "Tower of Babel" is being erected in the nation of Dubai (the very same that has been in the news recently). The Burj Dubai ["Dubai Tower"], begun in 2005: *"The tower goes up in steps in a spiralling way. In Islamic architecture, this symbolises ascending towards the heavens." [11] *In the middle, the silver tower looks like a gigantic arrow reaching halfway to the heavens. [11] *"You know that the exact height is a secret," says Mr Smith. "But it is going to be substantially taller than the highest building, taller than 600 metres." (Note that heights of, say, 660, 665, or 670 meters would, technically, satisfy that promise) [11] Please rationally analyze the following logic:
Now, first, am I correct in assuming that Islam condemns the Tower of Babel -- as a time of suffering when even pregnant mothers were forced to work even in the last hour of their pregnancy, and to put their newborn infants in their aprons and keep on making bricks for the tower [9] ? And, next, have I persuasively argued that Saddam Hussein styled himself a Babylonian God-man Priest King? I acknowledge that Hussein probably never made a "confession of the mouth" openly saying, for all the world to hear, that he was a Babylonian God-man Priest King. Nevertheless, "deeds speak louder than words", and I am arguing Hussein made a "confession of the hand", if you will, to his own divinity, by styling himself (unambiguously) as the reincarnation of Ur-Nammu, Shulgi, and Nebu- kudurri-utsur (Nebuchadrezzar). If my facts are complete and sound, and my logic is sound, then you are compelled to accept my conclusions -- and any refusal to do so can rightly be labelled "irrational". On the other hand, if my facts are either incomplete or false, or if my logic is flawed, then you can rationally reject my conclusions. So, are my facts and logic sound, or are they somewhere flawed? If they are flawed, where? And what is the truth of the matter? For the record, I have not here asserted my own glorious awesomeness. Almighty God knows the Truth -- everything else is just hot air. But I do want to know the Truth as best I am able. And I don't want to make no frigging bricks. (The oh-so-cool oooh-la-la Tower of Babel was 463 cubits = 694 feet tall. I could buy a $50 toy rocket that shoots up to 1000 feet or more. I've climbed mountains -- God's Towers -- at 12,500 feet. Writing was a major contribution to the advancement of Mankind. Thanks. But I don't see the big deal in a big heap of bricks. You want a roadway to the Heavens? Build a space-port. Think about it. I didn't say anybody cares. I just said, I don't see where I'm straying from facts & logic.) Sources: [1] http://www.moodychurch.org/radio/transcripts/greatcities.htm l [2] http://architecture.about.com/cs/countriescultures/a/ saddamspalace.htm [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon [4] http://www.zionministry.com/babylon.html [5] http://www.islamonline.net/english/In_Depth/Iraq_Aftermath/2 003/ 07/article_02.shtml [6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Nammu [7] http://www.amazeingart.com/seven-wonders/ziggurat.html [8] http://iwa.univie.ac.at/iraqarchive10.html [9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Babel [10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Soviets [11] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4746097.stm &nbs p; |
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Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 03 May 2006 at 7:46pm
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I am not sure what your point in writing this is. To see if Muslims will defend Saddam? I do not think you will find many Muslims who defend Saddam, however, that does not mean that we defend the war in Iraq either. If your logic is sound, then the USA must also be called God-less and blood guilty, as they did support Saddam with money and weaponry at the height of his power, and during the height of his most barbaric atrocities. ------------- It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince) |
Posted By: Bismarck
Date Posted: 19 May 2006 at 8:23pm
Let us say my logic is sound. How then would Muslims fight along side Saddam Loyalists? You will note that, all told, America has also twice fought Saddam. So, if my logic is sound, and Saddam Hussein willfully sowed Brutalitarian terror just like the whole line of Nimrod before him, then every time anyone aids/abets Hussein, they must be condemned... and everytime they attack Hussein, they must be lauded... Please do note: NOT EVERY AMERICAN WAS HAPPY ABOUT THE DECISION TO LEAVE HUSSEIN IN POWER IN 1991... NOR THE SIMILAR DECISION TO BETRAY THE KURDS SHORTLY THEREAFTER... NOT ALL 250,000,000 MILLION AMERICANS WERE CONSULTED IN A GIANT PUBLIC POLL, WHERE THEY CAME TOGETHER AND SAID, "HEY IT'D BE REALLY COOL TO SELL THE KURDS OUT AND WATCH THEM DIE, DUDES, THAT'D BE REALLY FRIGGING RAD, MAN!" THE WILLFULL CHOICE TO SACRIFICE THE KURDS TO KEEP THE MARXIST COMMIE RED HUSSEIN IN POWER WAS, RATHER, MADE BY FAR FEWER PEOPLE -- PEOPLE, INCIDENTALLY, WITH A THEN DECADE'S LONG WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH HUSSEIN'S SOVIET-TRAINED MUKABARAT DEVELOPED DURING THE IRAN-IRAQ WAR... THERE ARE MANY MONIED INDIVIDUALS WITH POWER ALL OF WHOSE FAVORITE COLORS ARE RED... FYI, IF SENATOR JOE McCARTHY HAD BEEN HEEDED, AND NOT ASSASSINATED, AMERICA AND THE WORLD WOULD BE WAY BETTER OFF... ASSUMING YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE SAYING "DON'T THROW OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATH-WATER", IS IT THE BABY'S FAULT THAT SOMEBODY SLYLY PISSES IN ITS BATH-WATER WHEN NOBODY ELSE IS LOOKING? My America clearly needs allot of help cleansing itself of corruption that plagues it. That's not logically the same as saying, however, that "America is categorically evil". My America, and my America alone, put a man on another Heavenly Body (the Moon). But that's worth nothing as far as getting American politicians to stay loyal to America. Genesis 3. The Bad Guy's whole show, the whole way the Bad Guy tricks, dupes, games, and plays the whole world, is by POLLUTING Good with Bad, and thereby tricking you into making an errant judgement. |
Mishmish wrote:Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 19 May 2006 at 9:26pm
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Why would Muslims care about a ziggurat, much less imagine it to be the Tower of Babel or consider a structure touched by God to be satanic? I gotta admit though, ziggurat is a kewl word. It would be fun to be able to use it more often. ------------- Christian; Wesleyan M.Div. |
Posted By: Amirul
Date Posted: 19 May 2006 at 9:31pm
Yes,you are right.Many muslim hate Saddam including me.He a tyrant,but we also hate the America because cause a great suffer to our muslim brother and sister at Iraq. |
Posted By: mariyah
Date Posted: 20 May 2006 at 5:21pm
Asalaamu walaikum: I hope this hate is not directed at Muslims who happen to be American? ------------- "Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile. |
Posted By: Amirul
Date Posted: 21 May 2006 at 12:05am
I do not hate the people of America accept if they support the war in Iraq and Afgannistan. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bismarck
Date Posted: 22 May 2006 at 10:59pm
American soldiers do not blow up Shi'ite Mosques and markets. Al Queda, working SHOULDER TO SHOULDER with SADDAM LOYALISTS... that is, MARXIST COMMUNIST GOD-DENYING BA'ATHISTS... do. Why is America more evil than GODLESS COMMUNISTS and their ALLIES? |
Posted By: Bismarck
Date Posted: 22 May 2006 at 11:01pm
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I utterly fail to see how ANYBODY is worse, in the eyes of True Belief, than
a GOD-LESS... GOD-DENYING... GOD-HATING... GOD-ATTACKING... Marxist Communist Red -- or ANYBODY who AIDS, ABETTS, a Red. Commie Reds = EVIL. |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 23 May 2006 at 7:52pm
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Bismarck :Let us say my logic is sound.
SR:No Muslim is fighting along Saddam—what is this Saddam loyalist nonsense? If he
had any animals like that he wouldn’t be found and sit in that trial box. You broke the law you fix it --good luck Bismarck:So, if my logic is sound, and Saddam
Hussein willfully sowed THE MARXIST COMMIE RED
HUSSEIN IN POWER WAS, RATHER, MADE BY LONG WORKING RELATIONSHIP
WITH HUSSEIN'S SOVIET-TRAINED S*R: >>>>>>>>>>>YOU ARE BLOWING SMOKE TO COVERUP THE BAD DEEDS OF YOUR COUNTRYMEN WHO EXTENDED ALL SERVICES WITH CREDIT TO SADDAM IN ORDER TO FLEECE HIS NATION AT EXORBITANT PRICES. THEY COULD BUY ANYTHING THAT THEY COULD NAME ( THE BILLS WERE BEING PAID BY THE SAUDIS & KUWAITIS). NEEDS TO FLOW THIS WAY.
SR: MY GOD
>>>>>>>>SO YOU ARE A MCCATHIST –YOUR GUY WHO IS REPORTED AS FOLLOWS IN WIKIPEDIA In 1952, Hank Greenspun wrote articles alleging that both McCarthy and Roy Cohn, his chief counsel,
were homosexuals. In the Las Vegas Sun Greenspun wrote "It is
common talk among homosexuals in Journalist Richard Rovere (1959) wrote: There have been descriptions of him as having spent his last years in
an unbroken alcoholic stupor. These descriptions are inaccurate. He had always
been a heavy drinker, and there were times in those seasons of discontent when
he drank more than ever. But he was not always drunk. He went on the wagon (for
him this meant beer instead of whiskey) for days and weeks at a time. The
difficulty toward the end was that he couldn't hold the stuff. He went to
pieces on his second or third drink. And he did not snap back quickly. It was reported that McCarthy suffered from cirrhosis and was frequently
hospitalized for alcoholism. Numerous eyewitnesses, including Senate aide George
Reedy and journalist Tom Wicker, have reported finding him alarmingly drunk in
the Senate. However, conservative activist William A. Rusher, who knew McCarthy
personally, claimed that his drinking was moderate in his last years. He died of acute hepatitis in ACCORDING
TO THE ABOVE INFO Joe McCarthy was MAN
OF QUESTIONABLE character. WHILE IT
NEEDS TWO PAYCHECKS TO PAY BILLS AND MOST AMERICANS SAY THE
COUNTRY IS HEADED IN WRONG DIRECTION. WE WILL SEE ANSWER PRETTY SOON--IN
NOVEMBER. IN On the Stateside the price
of gas is touching $4 a gallon. What sense you are making yelling anti Nebuchadnezzar
rhetoric in this day and age. Nebuchadnezzar did what
he was told to do by God to teach rebellious Israelites a lesson and that was thousands of year ago. Guess what; who robed
most the antiquities of Nebuchadnezzar timeframe from its museums after the invasion
?===Right answer>>>>>>Americans and their Brit buddies. How about
the cash and gold?? STOP
THIS HYPOCRITICAL BELLY ACHING FOR HEAVEN SAKE ------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
