Did Jesus decleared war?
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Topic: Did Jesus decleared war?
Posted By: Peace maker
Subject: Did Jesus decleared war?
Date Posted: 29 April 2018 at 8:55pm
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Was ther any evidince that Jesus was egaged of any kind of physical war?
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Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 30 April 2018 at 5:47am
 Peace maker wrote:
Was ther any evidince that Jesus was egaged of any kind of physical war? |
No.
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Christian; Wesleyan M.Div.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 07 May 2018 at 12:21pm
DavidC wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
Was ther any evidince that Jesus was egaged of any kind of physical war? |
No. |
Its strange how many people are still making war in acording to what their god and their book says
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Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 4:20am
Peace maker wrote:
DavidC wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
Was ther any evidince that Jesus was egaged of any kind of physical war? |
No. |
Its strange how many people are still making war in acording to what their god and their book says
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Jesus saw this human flaw and even included it in his classic teaching of how to pray to God. Praying for God to "not lead us into temptation " sounds odd at first hearing, but he was NOT praying that God not tempt us. God does not draw us to sin. He prayed that we not fall into temptation while following God's leadership.
War is a severe form of temptation, but we often see well meaning people fall into bigotry, conceit and other sins while following God. I think Satan has a particular interest in tempting people who follow God, and agree with Jesus that it is important to pray for protection.
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Christian; Wesleyan M.Div.
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Posted By: iec786
Date Posted: 27 August 2018 at 11:22pm
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yes he did.
Luke 19:27 King James Version (KJV)27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. Chop off their heads man.
https://biblehub.com/nlt/john/2.htm" rel="nofollow - New Living Translation
Jesus made a whip from some ropes and chased them all out of the Temple. He drove out the sheep and cattle, scattered the money changers' coins over the floor, and turned over their tables.
https://biblehub.com/nasb/matthew/21.htm" rel="nofollow - New American Standard Bible
And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves.
https://biblehub.com/nlt/luke/22.htm" rel="nofollow - New Living Translation
"But now," he said, "take your money and a traveler's bag. And if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!Luke 22:36
The meak lamb of God,the gental jesus. |
Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 30 August 2018 at 6:56am
iec786, you misunderstand your prophet Jesus.
Luke 19:27 - this is part of a parable, a fictional teaching story. It is not a real life command or situation. Jesus is relating a story.
In the story of the expulsion of the moneychangers, the moneychangers had brought animals into the temple when the animals should have been outside. Note the moneychangers were not whipped, only the animals.
The persecution of Jesus' disciples after His crucifixion is well documented. I imagine the sword was necessary for self-protection, but there is no evidence of warfare or rebellion. The Roman short sword was also a general purpose tool and used as an axe, machete, shovel and in hunting/butchering. I do not believe Jesus taught total pacifism, but recommending the purchase of swords at that time does not equate to a call for aggression.
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Christian; Wesleyan M.Div.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 21 September 2018 at 11:10pm
iec786 wrote:
yes he did.
Luke 19:27 King James Version (KJV)27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. Chop off their heads man.
https://biblehub.com/nlt/john/2.htm" rel="nofollow - New Living Translation
Jesus made a whip from some ropes and chased them all out of the Temple. He drove out the sheep and cattle, scattered the money changers' coins over the floor, and turned over their tables.
https://biblehub.com/nasb/matthew/21.htm" rel="nofollow - New American Standard Bible
And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves.
https://biblehub.com/nlt/luke/22.htm" rel="nofollow - New Living Translation
"But now," he said, "take your money and a traveler's bag. And if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!Luke 22:36
The meak lamb of God,the gental jesus. |
Luke 19 was only a parable not literal.
The verse is part of a parable that Jesus taught. The
parable seems intended to teach about the judgment of God at this point. It
does not suggest that human governance should even follow this example. He
merely uses what could and often did happen to illustrate a point of God's
supreme governance.
11 As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a
parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the
kingdom of God was to appear immediately. 12 He said therefore, “A nobleman went
into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return. 13 Calling
ten of his servants, he gave them ten minas, and said to them, ‘Engage in
business until I come.’ 14 But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation
after him, saying, ‘We do not want this man to reign over us.’
15 When he returned, having received the kingdom, he ordered
these servants to whom he had given the money to be called to him, that he
might know what they had gained by doing business. 16 The first came before
him, saying, ‘Lord, your mina has made ten minas more.’ 17 And he said to him,
‘Well done, good servant![c] Because you have been faithful in a very little,
you shall have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying,
‘Lord, your mina has made five minas.’ 19 And he said to him, ‘And you are to
be over five cities.’ 20 Then another came, saying, ‘Lord, here is your mina,
which I kept laid away in a handkerchief; 21 for I was afraid of you, because
you are a severe man. You take what you did not deposit, and reap what you did
not sow.’
22 He said to him, ‘I will condemn you with your own words,
you wicked servant! You knew that I was a severe man, taking what I did not
deposit and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then did you not put my money in
the bank, and at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’ 24 And he
said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to the one who
has the ten minas.’ 25 And they said to him, ‘Lord, he has ten minas!’ 26 ‘I
tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has
not, even what he has will be taken away. 27 But as for these enemies of mine,
who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them
before me.’” Luke 19:11-27
Thus, this verse has nothing to do with an individual
turning the other cheek, nor does it speak to the idea of human governance at
all. What it does teach is that all mankind will one day face the judgment of
God. Those who have hated and rejected God will be punished.
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Posted By: AkuDia
Date Posted: 25 November 2018 at 10:21pm
Peace maker wrote:
Was ther any evidince that Jesus was egaged of any kind of physical war? |
Jesus' missionary for only 3 years, imagine he is like Muhammad who preached for 23 years. Will Jesus not fight his own people who oppose his Father?
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Posted By: Eddy kukz yusuf
Date Posted: 24 June 2019 at 2:26pm
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noah preached how many years and got how many followers?this should tell you God is not bothered by the time
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 29 August 2019 at 7:37am
AkuDia wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
Was ther any evidince that Jesus was egaged of any kind of physical war? |
Jesus' missionary for only 3 years, imagine he is like Muhammad who preached for 23 years. Will Jesus not fight his own people who oppose his Father? |
Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.
John 1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. 19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? 20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. 22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? 23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Isiah.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 09 October 2019 at 5:40am
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Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 29 October 2019 at 8:33pm
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 30 October 2019 at 12:01am
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 31 October 2019 at 1:22pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
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They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 01 November 2019 at 5:32am
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
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"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 08 November 2019 at 2:16pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
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"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
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So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 08 November 2019 at 8:33pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
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"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
|
So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
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It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 09 November 2019 at 1:50pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
|
So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
|
"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
|
So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
|
It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
|
Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 09 November 2019 at 7:16pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
|
So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
|
"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
|
So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
|
It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
|
Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
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If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
|
Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 10 November 2019 at 5:06pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
|
So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
|
"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
|
So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
|
It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
|
Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
|
If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
|
So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles.
|
Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 10 November 2019 at 8:42pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
|
So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
|
"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
|
So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
|
It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
|
Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
|
If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
|
So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles. |
I don't care what Dajjal looks like, but Allah informs me with His implied verse that Dajjal will really appear. Wishing you a long life.
|
Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 26 November 2019 at 3:38pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
|
So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
|
"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
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So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
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It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
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Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
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If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
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So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles. |
I don't care what Dajjal looks like, but Allah informs me with His implied verse that Dajjal will really appear. Wishing you a long life.
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So you don't care about his looks as long as Allah gave you the the stamp approval that he will appear. You only believe in Allah cause the Quran comfirms Allah and you believe in the Quran cause Allah confirms the Quran if there was no Quran then in who would you believe then?
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 27 November 2019 at 7:36pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
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They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
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"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
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So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
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It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
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Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
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If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
|
So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles. |
I don't care what Dajjal looks like, but Allah informs me with His implied verse that Dajjal will really appear. Wishing you a long life.
|
So you don't care about his looks as long as Allah gave you the the stamp approval that he will appear. You only believe in Allah cause the Quran comfirms Allah and you believe in the Quran cause Allah confirms the Quran if there was no Quran then in who would you believe then? |
I have repeatedly said in this forum that the Qoran only informs in general, not in detail, so this requires "Sarahan" (detailed explanation) as the Prophet Muhammad with his hadiths including the skillful translators of the Qoran.
It seems that you are looking for other ways to dim the light of Islam, even though the light will be brighter. May Allah gives His "Hikmah" to you as mentioned in the Qoran 2:269.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 28 November 2019 at 4:21pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
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"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
|
So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
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It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
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Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
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If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
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So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles. |
I don't care what Dajjal looks like, but Allah informs me with His implied verse that Dajjal will really appear. Wishing you a long life.
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So you don't care about his looks as long as Allah gave you the the stamp approval that he will appear. You only believe in Allah cause the Quran comfirms Allah and you believe in the Quran cause Allah confirms the Quran if there was no Quran then in who would you believe then? |
I have repeatedly said in this forum that the Qoran only informs in general, not in detail, so this requires "Sarahan" (detailed explanation) as the Prophet Muhammad with his hadiths including the skillful translators of the Qoran.
It seems that you are looking for other ways to dim the light of Islam, even though the light will be brighter. May Allah gives His "Hikmah" to you as mentioned in the Qoran 2:269.
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What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?
This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.
He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given
wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those
of understanding.
So Allah is your source of information.
He will be a young man with a ruddy complexion, short, with
thick curly hair, a wide forehead, and broad upper chest, blind or defective
(mamsooh) in the right eye. This eye will be neither prominent nor sunken, and
will look like a floating grape.
His left eye will be covered with a thick piece of flesh
growing at the edge of his eye. Written between his eyes will be “Kaaf faa’
raa’ (K-F-R)”, in separate (Arabic) letters, or “kaafir”, with the letters
joined. This will be read by every Muslim, literate or illiterate.
It was also narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased
with them both) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be
upon him) mentioned the Dajjaal to the people and said: “Allaah is not
one-eyed, but the false messiah (al-maseeh al-dajjaal) is one-eyed, blind or
defective in his right eye, with his eye looking like a floating grape…”
(narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3184).
In the lengthy
hadeeth narrated by al-Nawwaas ibn Sam’aan (may Allaah be pleased with him) it
says: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
mentioned the Dajjaal one morning. Sometimes he described him as insignificant
and sometimes he described him as so significant that we thought that he was in
the cluster of date-palm trees…” One of the features of the Dajjaal that he
described was: “He will be a young man with very curly hair, with his eye
floating. It is as if he looks like ‘Abd al-‘Uzza ibn Qatan.” (Narrated by
Muslim, no. 5228)
Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions. |
Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 04 December 2019 at 3:19am
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
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asep garutea wrote:
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Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
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They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
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"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
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So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
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It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
|
Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
|
If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
|
So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles. |
I don't care what Dajjal looks like, but Allah informs me with His implied verse that Dajjal will really appear. Wishing you a long life.
|
So you don't care about his looks as long as Allah gave you the the stamp approval that he will appear. You only believe in Allah cause the Quran comfirms Allah and you believe in the Quran cause Allah confirms the Quran if there was no Quran then in who would you believe then? |
I have repeatedly said in this forum that the Qoran only informs in general, not in detail, so this requires "Sarahan" (detailed explanation) as the Prophet Muhammad with his hadiths including the skillful translators of the Qoran.
It seems that you are looking for other ways to dim the light of Islam, even though the light will be brighter. May Allah gives His "Hikmah" to you as mentioned in the Qoran 2:269.
|
What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?
This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.
He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given
wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those
of understanding.
So Allah is your source of information.
He will be a young man with a ruddy complexion, short, with
thick curly hair, a wide forehead, and broad upper chest, blind or defective
(mamsooh) in the right eye. This eye will be neither prominent nor sunken, and
will look like a floating grape.
His left eye will be covered with a thick piece of flesh
growing at the edge of his eye. Written between his eyes will be “Kaaf faa’
raa’ (K-F-R)”, in separate (Arabic) letters, or “kaafir”, with the letters
joined. This will be read by every Muslim, literate or illiterate.
It was also narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased
with them both) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be
upon him) mentioned the Dajjaal to the people and said: “Allaah is not
one-eyed, but the false messiah (al-maseeh al-dajjaal) is one-eyed, blind or
defective in his right eye, with his eye looking like a floating grape…”
(narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3184).
In the lengthy
hadeeth narrated by al-Nawwaas ibn Sam’aan (may Allaah be pleased with him) it
says: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
mentioned the Dajjaal one morning. Sometimes he described him as insignificant
and sometimes he described him as so significant that we thought that he was in
the cluster of date-palm trees…” One of the features of the Dajjaal that he
described was: “He will be a young man with very curly hair, with his eye
floating. It is as if he looks like ‘Abd al-‘Uzza ibn Qatan.” (Narrated by
Muslim, no. 5228)
Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions. |
You said: (What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?)
Answer: Such verse can only be proven by people who believe and devote to Allah.
You said: (This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.)
Answer: Why are you reluctant to write "st**id verse" ? Whatever you do, Allah is All-Seeing, He is even closer than your jugular vein. If you do a goodness, then the goodness is for yourself, but if you do a badness, then the badness will harm yourself. That can happen in the world or later in the hereafter.
You said: (So Allah is your source of information.)
Answer: Yes.
You said: (Why was there no other references outside any non islamic references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated followers with his lies and deceptions.)
Answer: That's why Allah revealed the Qoran as a guidance and notification of what has happened in the past, the present, and the future (including the hereafter), and which was not informed in the previous holy books.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 06 December 2019 at 6:03pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
|
So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
|
"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
|
So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
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It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
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Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
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If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
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So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles. |
I don't care what Dajjal looks like, but Allah informs me with His implied verse that Dajjal will really appear. Wishing you a long life.
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So you don't care about his looks as long as Allah gave you the the stamp approval that he will appear. You only believe in Allah cause the Quran comfirms Allah and you believe in the Quran cause Allah confirms the Quran if there was no Quran then in who would you believe then? |
I have repeatedly said in this forum that the Qoran only informs in general, not in detail, so this requires "Sarahan" (detailed explanation) as the Prophet Muhammad with his hadiths including the skillful translators of the Qoran.
It seems that you are looking for other ways to dim the light of Islam, even though the light will be brighter. May Allah gives His "Hikmah" to you as mentioned in the Qoran 2:269.
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What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?
This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.
He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given
wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those
of understanding.
So Allah is your source of information.
He will be a young man with a ruddy complexion, short, with
thick curly hair, a wide forehead, and broad upper chest, blind or defective
(mamsooh) in the right eye. This eye will be neither prominent nor sunken, and
will look like a floating grape.
His left eye will be covered with a thick piece of flesh
growing at the edge of his eye. Written between his eyes will be “Kaaf faa’
raa’ (K-F-R)”, in separate (Arabic) letters, or “kaafir”, with the letters
joined. This will be read by every Muslim, literate or illiterate.
It was also narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased
with them both) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be
upon him) mentioned the Dajjaal to the people and said: “Allaah is not
one-eyed, but the false messiah (al-maseeh al-dajjaal) is one-eyed, blind or
defective in his right eye, with his eye looking like a floating grape…”
(narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3184).
In the lengthy
hadeeth narrated by al-Nawwaas ibn Sam’aan (may Allaah be pleased with him) it
says: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
mentioned the Dajjaal one morning. Sometimes he described him as insignificant
and sometimes he described him as so significant that we thought that he was in
the cluster of date-palm trees…” One of the features of the Dajjaal that he
described was: “He will be a young man with very curly hair, with his eye
floating. It is as if he looks like ‘Abd al-‘Uzza ibn Qatan.” (Narrated by
Muslim, no. 5228)
Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions. |
You said: (What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?)
Answer: Such verse can only be proven by people who believe and devote to Allah.
You said: (This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.)
Answer: Why are you reluctant to write "st**id verse" ? Whatever you do, Allah is All-Seeing, He is even closer than your jugular vein. If you do a goodness, then the goodness is for yourself, but if you do a badness, then the badness will harm yourself. That can happen in the world or later in the hereafter.
You said: (So Allah is your source of information.)
Answer: Yes.
You said: (Why was there no other references outside any non islamic references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated followers with his lies and deceptions.)
Answer: That's why Allah revealed the Qoran as a guidance and notification of what has happened in the past, the present, and the future (including the hereafter), and which was not informed in the previous holy books.
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I have asked you gave me some references of Dajjal in the bible but you can't so Muhammad was making up his own fables about Dajjal and the Mahdi to gave his muslims some moral support at the end of the world. You only heard about Muhammad from the Quran if there was Quran then there was no Allah or Muhammad in which you can state your arguments.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 07 December 2019 at 2:39am
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Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
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They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
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"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
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So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
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It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
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Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
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If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
|
So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles. |
I don't care what Dajjal looks like, but Allah informs me with His implied verse that Dajjal will really appear. Wishing you a long life.
|
So you don't care about his looks as long as Allah gave you the the stamp approval that he will appear. You only believe in Allah cause the Quran comfirms Allah and you believe in the Quran cause Allah confirms the Quran if there was no Quran then in who would you believe then? |
I have repeatedly said in this forum that the Qoran only informs in general, not in detail, so this requires "Sarahan" (detailed explanation) as the Prophet Muhammad with his hadiths including the skillful translators of the Qoran.
It seems that you are looking for other ways to dim the light of Islam, even though the light will be brighter. May Allah gives His "Hikmah" to you as mentioned in the Qoran 2:269.
|
What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?
This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.
He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given
wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those
of understanding.
So Allah is your source of information.
He will be a young man with a ruddy complexion, short, with
thick curly hair, a wide forehead, and broad upper chest, blind or defective
(mamsooh) in the right eye. This eye will be neither prominent nor sunken, and
will look like a floating grape.
His left eye will be covered with a thick piece of flesh
growing at the edge of his eye. Written between his eyes will be “Kaaf faa’
raa’ (K-F-R)”, in separate (Arabic) letters, or “kaafir”, with the letters
joined. This will be read by every Muslim, literate or illiterate.
It was also narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased
with them both) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be
upon him) mentioned the Dajjaal to the people and said: “Allaah is not
one-eyed, but the false messiah (al-maseeh al-dajjaal) is one-eyed, blind or
defective in his right eye, with his eye looking like a floating grape…”
(narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3184).
In the lengthy
hadeeth narrated by al-Nawwaas ibn Sam’aan (may Allaah be pleased with him) it
says: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
mentioned the Dajjaal one morning. Sometimes he described him as insignificant
and sometimes he described him as so significant that we thought that he was in
the cluster of date-palm trees…” One of the features of the Dajjaal that he
described was: “He will be a young man with very curly hair, with his eye
floating. It is as if he looks like ‘Abd al-‘Uzza ibn Qatan.” (Narrated by
Muslim, no. 5228)
Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions. |
You said: (What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?)
Answer: Such verse can only be proven by people who believe and devote to Allah.
You said: (This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.)
Answer: Why are you reluctant to write "st**id verse" ? Whatever you do, Allah is All-Seeing, He is even closer than your jugular vein. If you do a goodness, then the goodness is for yourself, but if you do a badness, then the badness will harm yourself. That can happen in the world or later in the hereafter.
You said: (So Allah is your source of information.)
Answer: Yes.
You said: (Why was there no other references outside any non islamic references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated followers with his lies and deceptions.)
Answer: That's why Allah revealed the Qoran as a guidance and notification of what has happened in the past, the present, and the future (including the hereafter), and which was not informed in the previous holy books.
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I have asked you gave me some references of Dajjal in the bible but you can't so Muhammad was making up his own fables about Dajjal and the Mahdi to gave his muslims some moral support at the end of the world. You only heard about Muhammad from the Quran if there was Quran then there was no Allah or Muhammad in which you can state your arguments. |
As far as my knowledge in the Bible does not exist about Dajjal and Al Mahdi, but in the Qoran there is an implied verse. This proves that the Qoran can provide information on some events in the past and the future.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 07 December 2019 at 4:31pm
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Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
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"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
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So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
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It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
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Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
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If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
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So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles. |
I don't care what Dajjal looks like, but Allah informs me with His implied verse that Dajjal will really appear. Wishing you a long life.
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So you don't care about his looks as long as Allah gave you the the stamp approval that he will appear. You only believe in Allah cause the Quran comfirms Allah and you believe in the Quran cause Allah confirms the Quran if there was no Quran then in who would you believe then? |
I have repeatedly said in this forum that the Qoran only informs in general, not in detail, so this requires "Sarahan" (detailed explanation) as the Prophet Muhammad with his hadiths including the skillful translators of the Qoran.
It seems that you are looking for other ways to dim the light of Islam, even though the light will be brighter. May Allah gives His "Hikmah" to you as mentioned in the Qoran 2:269.
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What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?
This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.
He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given
wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those
of understanding.
So Allah is your source of information.
He will be a young man with a ruddy complexion, short, with
thick curly hair, a wide forehead, and broad upper chest, blind or defective
(mamsooh) in the right eye. This eye will be neither prominent nor sunken, and
will look like a floating grape.
His left eye will be covered with a thick piece of flesh
growing at the edge of his eye. Written between his eyes will be “Kaaf faa’
raa’ (K-F-R)”, in separate (Arabic) letters, or “kaafir”, with the letters
joined. This will be read by every Muslim, literate or illiterate.
It was also narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased
with them both) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be
upon him) mentioned the Dajjaal to the people and said: “Allaah is not
one-eyed, but the false messiah (al-maseeh al-dajjaal) is one-eyed, blind or
defective in his right eye, with his eye looking like a floating grape…”
(narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3184).
In the lengthy
hadeeth narrated by al-Nawwaas ibn Sam’aan (may Allaah be pleased with him) it
says: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
mentioned the Dajjaal one morning. Sometimes he described him as insignificant
and sometimes he described him as so significant that we thought that he was in
the cluster of date-palm trees…” One of the features of the Dajjaal that he
described was: “He will be a young man with very curly hair, with his eye
floating. It is as if he looks like ‘Abd al-‘Uzza ibn Qatan.” (Narrated by
Muslim, no. 5228)
Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions. |
You said: (What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?)
Answer: Such verse can only be proven by people who believe and devote to Allah.
You said: (This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.)
Answer: Why are you reluctant to write "st**id verse" ? Whatever you do, Allah is All-Seeing, He is even closer than your jugular vein. If you do a goodness, then the goodness is for yourself, but if you do a badness, then the badness will harm yourself. That can happen in the world or later in the hereafter.
You said: (So Allah is your source of information.)
Answer: Yes.
You said: (Why was there no other references outside any non islamic references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated followers with his lies and deceptions.)
Answer: That's why Allah revealed the Qoran as a guidance and notification of what has happened in the past, the present, and the future (including the hereafter), and which was not informed in the previous holy books.
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I have asked you gave me some references of Dajjal in the bible but you can't so Muhammad was making up his own fables about Dajjal and the Mahdi to gave his muslims some moral support at the end of the world. You only heard about Muhammad from the Quran if there was Quran then there was no Allah or Muhammad in which you can state your arguments. |
As far as my knowledge in the Bible does not exist about Dajjal and Al Mahdi, but in the Qoran there is an implied verse. This proves that the Qoran can provide information on some events in the past and the future.
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Like this fable a stone run away with Musa's clothes where someone pick this up only they will and the muslims who believe in this.
Sahih Al-Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 55, Number 616:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "(The Prophet) Moses was a shy
person and used to cover his body completely because of his extensive shyness.
One of the children of Israel hurt him by saying, 'He covers his body in this
way only because of some defect in his skin, either leprosy or scrotal hernia,
or he has some other defect.' Allah wished to clear Moses of what they said
about him, so one day while Moses was in seclusion, he took off his clothes and
put them on a stone and started taking a bath. When he had finished the bath,
he moved towards his clothes so as to take them, but the stone took his clothes
and fled; Moses picked up his stick and ran after the stone saying, 'O stone!
Give me my garment!' Till he reached a group of Bani Israel who saw him naked
then, and found him the best of what Allah had created, and Allah cleared him
of what they had accused him of. The stone stopped there and Moses took and put
his garment on and started hitting the stone with his stick. By Allah, the
stone still has some traces of the hitting, three, four or five marks. THIS IS
WAS WHAT ALLAH REFERS TO IN HIS SAYING:-- "O you who believe! Be you not
like those Who annoyed Moses, But Allah proved his innocence of that which they
alleged, And he was honorable In Allah's Sight." (33.69)
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Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 09 December 2019 at 1:43am
Peace maker wrote:
...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 14 December 2019 at 4:03am
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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1 John 2:22 So who is
lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s
who. This is what makes an
antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has
any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of
the Father as well.
Qur’an 19:88
Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’
preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a
son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
Qur’an 23:91
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to
them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is
there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his
own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their
falsehoods!
Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife,
nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a
wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell
of Him what is untrue.
This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words
of Allah.
Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is
the Antichrist)
Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is
the Antichrist)
In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son
Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so
what does that tell you your false prophet
Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to
destroy Christ and all His followers. But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad. Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!. Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life. What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy. Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.
Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.
He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent
forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even
with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal
men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look
like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.
Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The
Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man,
not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He
would be a man and he would be alive. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries. |
Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 20 December 2019 at 11:58am
Peace maker wrote:
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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1 John 2:22 So who is
lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s
who. This is what makes an
antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has
any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of
the Father as well.
Qur’an 19:88
Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’
preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a
son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
Qur’an 23:91
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to
them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is
there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his
own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their
falsehoods!
Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife,
nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a
wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell
of Him what is untrue.
This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words
of Allah.
Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is
the Antichrist)
Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is
the Antichrist)
In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son
Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so
what does that tell you your false prophet
Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to
destroy Christ and all His followers. But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad. Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!. Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life. What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy. Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.
Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.
He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent
forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even
with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal
men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look
like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.
Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The
Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man,
not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He
would be a man and he would be alive. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries. |
(1 John 2:22 So who is lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s who. This is what makes an antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of the Father as well.)
Answer: I want to ask you, is Jesus a human child or God's child ?
(Qur’an 19:88 Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!)
Answer: Can you imagine if God has a son ? And He is a father ? Automatically the position of Maria's parents is higher than God, because they are God's parents-in-law. thus God's degree in human eyes will be weak.
(Qur’an 23:91 Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!)
Answer: Yes, if God more than one, They will fight for power. That verse can only be accepted by people who are smart in thinking.
(Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.)
(This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words of Allah.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice because you don't like the Prophet Muhammad as the Messenger of Allah.
(Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is the Antichrist)
(Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is the Antichrist))
Answer: Dajjal will claim that he is God, so people who are religious on this earth will become his enemies.
(In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so what does that tell you your false prophet Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to destroy Christ and all His followers.)
Answer: I want to ask you, who will kill Dajjal ?
(But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad.)
Answer: The acknowledgment that God had three children is derived from beliefs in ancient Babylonian times, namely the worshipers of the sun and consider that God a lot.
(Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!.)
Answer: I can read through the words that you write that your heart is upset. Be careful that the devil will easily tempt the hearts of people who are upset or angry. Whoever the person is, don't be afraid of Muslims (Islamaphobia), but fear to the God of Muslims who are watching us wherever we are.
(Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life.)
Answer: That means you don't admit the messengers of God, whereas they have a grip life.
(What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy.)
Answer: Gabriel is not afraid of anyone except to Allah.
(Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.)
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad did not dare to kill all creatures created by Allah unless there was an order from Allah.
(Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.)
(He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.)
(Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man, not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He would be a man and he would be alive.)
Answer: Whatever the characteristics of Dajjal is not the main problem, but every person who doesn't admit him as God, will be killed. And the first people to be approached and to be killed are Muslims.
(2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.)
Answer: Yes he will claim as God.
(This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries.)
Answer: You are looking for loopholes to drop the teachings of Tawheed. For Muslims, there is no God except Allah. Muslims do not agree with Dajjal's claim, instead Muslims acknowledge that Dajjal is also Allah's creation.
Muslims invite all people in countries because they want to save humans, especially in the hereafter. Even if it is rejected, it will not be a problem for Muslims because they have conveyed Allah's commands.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 23 December 2019 at 6:40pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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1 John 2:22 So who is
lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s
who. This is what makes an
antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has
any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of
the Father as well.
Qur’an 19:88
Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’
preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a
son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
Qur’an 23:91
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to
them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is
there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his
own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their
falsehoods!
Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife,
nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a
wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell
of Him what is untrue.
This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words
of Allah.
Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is
the Antichrist)
Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is
the Antichrist)
In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son
Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so
what does that tell you your false prophet
Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to
destroy Christ and all His followers. But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad. Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!. Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life. What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy. Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.
Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.
He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent
forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even
with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal
men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look
like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.
Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The
Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man,
not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He
would be a man and he would be alive. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries. |
(1 John 2:22 So who is lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s who. This is what makes an antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of the Father as well.)
Answer: I want to ask you, is Jesus a human child or God's child ?
(Qur’an 19:88 Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!)
Answer: Can you imagine if God has a son ? And He is a father ? Automatically the position of Maria's parents is higher than God, because they are God's parents-in-law. thus God's degree in human eyes will be weak.
(Qur’an 23:91 Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!)
Answer: Yes, if God more than one, They will fight for power. That verse can only be accepted by people who are smart in thinking.
(Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.)
(This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words of Allah.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice because you don't like the Prophet Muhammad as the Messenger of Allah.
(Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is the Antichrist)
(Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is the Antichrist))
Answer: Dajjal will claim that he is God, so people who are religious on this earth will become his enemies.
(In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so what does that tell you your false prophet Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to destroy Christ and all His followers.)
Answer: I want to ask you, who will kill Dajjal ?
(But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad.)
Answer: The acknowledgment that God had three children is derived from beliefs in ancient Babylonian times, namely the worshipers of the sun and consider that God a lot.
(Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!.)
Answer: I can read through the words that you write that your heart is upset. Be careful that the devil will easily tempt the hearts of people who are upset or angry. Whoever the person is, don't be afraid of Muslims (Islamaphobia), but fear to the God of Muslims who are watching us wherever we are.
(Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life.)
Answer: That means you don't admit the messengers of God, whereas they have a grip life.
(What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy.)
Answer: Gabriel is not afraid of anyone except to Allah.
(Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.)
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad did not dare to kill all creatures created by Allah unless there was an order from Allah.
(Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.)
(He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.)
(Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man, not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He would be a man and he would be alive.)
Answer: Whatever the characteristics of Dajjal is not the main problem, but every person who doesn't admit him as God, will be killed. And the first people to be approached and to be killed are Muslims.
(2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.)
Answer: Yes he will claim as God.
(This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries.)
Answer: You are looking for loopholes to drop the teachings of Tawheed. For Muslims, there is no God except Allah. Muslims do not agree with Dajjal's claim, instead Muslims acknowledge that Dajjal is also Allah's creation.
Muslims invite all people in countries because they want to save humans, especially in the hereafter. Even if it is rejected, it will not be a problem for Muslims because they have conveyed Allah's commands.
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You can totally not visualise that the Dajjal was a fabrcation fairy tale of Muhammad as same as the Madhi supposed to be a descendant Muhammad which is also fabricated lie of Muhammad who wanted emulate the real Messiah to moraly impressed his believers
This last is the completely Moslemized version of the saga:
the intermediate stage being defined by the idea that the rule of the Mahdi
will be overthrown by Dajjal, in order that Anti-christ may in turn be
overthrown by Jesus at his second coming. The killing of the False Messiah will traumatize the
Christians and Jews who had followed him, for it will finally reveal to them
that he was not what he had claimed to be. The Prophet of Islam, may the mercy
and blessings of God be upon him, said:
"The son of Mary will soon descend among you and will
judge justly (according to the Law of God [26]): he will break the cross and
kill the pig... " (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The breaking of the cross may be figurative or literal: the
destruction of erected idols in churches and tearing down of crosses from their
steeples, as well as forbidding the use of personal crosses as symbols of
religion; or the destruction of the myth that he was executed by the Romans on
a cross at the instigation of the Jews. Likewise, the killing of the pigs may
be both literal and figurative: literally conducting a campaign to kill all
pigs so the consumption of their meat becomes impossible, allowing them to be
killed, or simply re-imposing the ban God made since time immemorial on
eating their flesh, effectively forcing pig farmers to get rid of their stock
by culling. In effect, two of the mainstays of widespread Christian practice
will be removed, indicating that the religion as taught by modern Christians
would henceforth be defunct, and marking a return to the religion as originally
intended. Muslims must have actually forgot Jesus will come to kill all the camels also they also must be killed.
Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim
Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars. The Prophet of Islam said:
"By him in Whose hand my life is, the son of Mary will
certainly invoke the name of God for Hajj or Umrah or both in the valley of
Rauha (a valley near Medina)." (Saheeh Muslim) This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.
Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and
the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him. And this moment is the
moment God is referring to in the Quranic verse:
"And there is none of the People of the Book who must
believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159) |
Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 23 December 2019 at 11:36pm
Peace maker wrote:
...Muslims must have actually forgot Jesus will come to kill all the camels.. |
Muslims do not believe this.
Our beliefs concerning the Messiah ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (Jesus the son of Mary – peace be upon him) are those indicated by the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of our Messenger Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). We believe that ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) was one of the slaves of Allaah, and one of His noble Messengers. Allaah sent him to the Children of Israel to call them to believe in Allaah alone and worship Him alone. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember) when ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: ‘O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allaah unto you, confirming the Tawraat [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.’ But when he (Ahmad, i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they said: ‘This is plain magic’” [al-Saff 61:6] “But the Messiah [‘Eesa (Jesus)] said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allaah, my Lord and your Lord.’ Verily, whosoever sets up partners (in worship) with Allaah, then Allaah has forbidden Paradise to him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers” [al-Maa’idah 5:72] ‘Eesa was not a god or the son of God as the Christians claim. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Surely, they have disbelieved who say: ‘Allaah is the Messiah [‘Eesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary).’” [al-Maa’idah 5:72] “And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allaah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allaah. That is their saying with their mouths, resembling the saying of those who disbelieved aforetime. Allaah’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!” [al-Tawbah 9:30] The first words that ‘Eesa spoke when Allaah caused him to speak when he was in the cradle were (interpretation of the meaning): “He [‘Eesa (Jesus)] said: ‘Verily, I am a slave of Allaah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet’” [Maryam 19:30] We believe that Allaah supported him with miracles that proved he was speaking the truth. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “(Remember) when Allaah will say (on the Day of Resurrection). ‘O ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with Rooh‑ul‑Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)] so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and when I taught you writing, Al‑Hikmah (the power of understanding), the Tawraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel); and when you made out of the clay, a figure like that of a bird, by My Permission, and you breathed into it, and it became a bird by My Permission, and you healed those born blind, and the lepers by My Permission, and when you brought forth the dead by My Permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from you (when they resolved to kill you) as you came unto them with clear proofs, and the disbelievers among them said: This is nothing but evident magic’” [al-Maa'idah 5:110] We believe that ‘Eesa was born from the Virgin Maryam with no father, and that is not impossible for Allaah Who, when He wills a thing, says “Be!” and it is. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, the likeness of ‘Eesa (Jesus) before Allaah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: ‘Be!’ — and he was” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:59] “(Remember) when the angels said: ‘O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allaah gives you the glad tidings of a Word [‘Be!’ — and he was! i.e. ‘Eesa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allaah.” He will speak to the people, in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous.’ She said: ‘O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me.’ He said: ‘So (it will be) for Allaah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: “Be!” and it is’” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:45-47] We believe that he permitted to the Jews some of the things that had been forbidden to them. Allaah tells us that ‘Eesa said to the Children of Israel (interpretation of the meaning): “And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Tawraat (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allaah and obey me” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:50] We believe that he did not die and his enemies the Jews did not kill him, rather Allaah saved him from them and raised him up to heaven alive. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against Maryam (Mary) a grave false charge (that she has committed illegal sexual intercourse); And because of their saying (in boast), ‘We killed Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allaah,’ — but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them the resemblance of ‘Eesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)], and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]: But Allaah raised him [‘Eesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allaah is Ever All‑Powerful, All‑Wise”
[al-Nisa’ 4:156-158] We believe that he told his followers of the coming of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember) when ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: ‘O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allaah unto you, confirming the Tawraat [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.’ But when he (Ahmad, i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they said: ‘This is plain magic’” [al-Saff 61:6] We believe that he will come back down at the end of time, and will disprove the claim of his enemies the Jews that they killed him, and will disprove the claim of the Christians that he is God or the son of God, and he will not accept anything from them but Islam. Al-Bukhaari (2222) and Muslim (155) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, soon the son of Maryam will descend among you [according to another report: the Hour will not begin until the son of Maryam descends among you] as a just judge. He will break the cross, kill the pigs and abolish the jizyah, and money will become abundant until no one will accept it.” “Soon” means it will inevitably happen quickly. “will descend among you” means among this ummah. “A just judge” means that he will come down and rule according to this sharee’ah (divine law), and that this sharee’ah will remain and not be abrogated, rather ‘Eesa will be one of the rulers of this ummah. “He will break the cross and kill the pigs” means he will declare as false the religion of the Christians by breaking the cross in a real sense and proving false the Christians’ claims and veneration of the cross. “and he will abolish the jizyah”: al-Nawawi said: The correct view concerning this is that he will not accept it, and he will not accept anything from the kaafirs disbelievers but Islam. If any of them offer the jizyah that will not make him stop fighting them. Rather he will not accept anything but Islam or death. This is the view of Imam Abu Sulaymaan al-Khattaabi and other scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them). End quote. “Money will become abundant” – the reason for this abundance will be the descent of blessings and the spread of goodness because of justice and the absence of oppression or wrongdoing. At that time the earth will bring forth its treasures, and desire to keep money will decrease because they will know that that Hour is at hand. Then he will die and the Muslims will offer the funeral prayer for him and bury him. Ahmad (9349) narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I am the closest of people to ‘Eesa ibn Maryam because there was no Prophet between him and me…” Then he mentioned his descent at the end of time. Then he said: “And he will remain for as long as Allaah wills he should remain, then he will die and the Muslims will offer the funeral prayer for him and bury him.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah (2182). We believe that he will disavow himself on the Day of Resurrection of the claims that he was a god. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember) when Allaah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): 'O ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allaah?’ He will say: ‘Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner‑self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All‑Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen). Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allaah) did command me to say: Worship Allaah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things’” [al-Maa'idah 5:116-117] “ ‘Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allaah) did command me to say: Worship Allaah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things’” [al-Maa'idah 5:116-117] This is what the Muslims believe about the Messiah ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him). Al-Bukhaari (3435) and Muslim (28) narrated from ‘Ubaadah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever bears witness that there is no god but Allaah alone, with no partner or associate, and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger, and that ‘Eesa is His slave and Messenger, a word which Allaah bestowed upon Maryam and a spirit created by Him, and that Paradise is real, and Hell is real, Allaah will admit him through whichever of the eight gates of Paradise he wishes.”
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 24 December 2019 at 12:36pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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1 John 2:22 So who is
lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s
who. This is what makes an
antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has
any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of
the Father as well.
Qur’an 19:88
Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’
preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a
son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
Qur’an 23:91
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to
them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is
there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his
own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their
falsehoods!
Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife,
nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a
wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell
of Him what is untrue.
This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words
of Allah.
Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is
the Antichrist)
Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is
the Antichrist)
In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son
Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so
what does that tell you your false prophet
Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to
destroy Christ and all His followers. But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad. Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!. Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life. What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy. Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.
Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.
He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent
forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even
with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal
men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look
like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.
Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The
Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man,
not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He
would be a man and he would be alive. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries. |
(1 John 2:22 So who is lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s who. This is what makes an antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of the Father as well.)
Answer: I want to ask you, is Jesus a human child or God's child ?
(Qur’an 19:88 Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!)
Answer: Can you imagine if God has a son ? And He is a father ? Automatically the position of Maria's parents is higher than God, because they are God's parents-in-law. thus God's degree in human eyes will be weak.
(Qur’an 23:91 Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!)
Answer: Yes, if God more than one, They will fight for power. That verse can only be accepted by people who are smart in thinking.
(Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.)
(This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words of Allah.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice because you don't like the Prophet Muhammad as the Messenger of Allah.
(Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is the Antichrist)
(Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is the Antichrist))
Answer: Dajjal will claim that he is God, so people who are religious on this earth will become his enemies.
(In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so what does that tell you your false prophet Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to destroy Christ and all His followers.)
Answer: I want to ask you, who will kill Dajjal ?
(But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad.)
Answer: The acknowledgment that God had three children is derived from beliefs in ancient Babylonian times, namely the worshipers of the sun and consider that God a lot.
(Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!.)
Answer: I can read through the words that you write that your heart is upset. Be careful that the devil will easily tempt the hearts of people who are upset or angry. Whoever the person is, don't be afraid of Muslims (Islamaphobia), but fear to the God of Muslims who are watching us wherever we are.
(Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life.)
Answer: That means you don't admit the messengers of God, whereas they have a grip life.
(What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy.)
Answer: Gabriel is not afraid of anyone except to Allah.
(Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.)
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad did not dare to kill all creatures created by Allah unless there was an order from Allah.
(Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.)
(He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.)
(Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man, not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He would be a man and he would be alive.)
Answer: Whatever the characteristics of Dajjal is not the main problem, but every person who doesn't admit him as God, will be killed. And the first people to be approached and to be killed are Muslims.
(2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.)
Answer: Yes he will claim as God.
(This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries.)
Answer: You are looking for loopholes to drop the teachings of Tawheed. For Muslims, there is no God except Allah. Muslims do not agree with Dajjal's claim, instead Muslims acknowledge that Dajjal is also Allah's creation.
Muslims invite all people in countries because they want to save humans, especially in the hereafter. Even if it is rejected, it will not be a problem for Muslims because they have conveyed Allah's commands.
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You can totally not visualise that the Dajjal was a fabrcation fairy tale of Muhammad as same as the Madhi supposed to be a descendant Muhammad which is also fabricated lie of Muhammad who wanted emulate the real Messiah to moraly impressed his believers
This last is the completely Moslemized version of the saga:
the intermediate stage being defined by the idea that the rule of the Mahdi
will be overthrown by Dajjal, in order that Anti-christ may in turn be
overthrown by Jesus at his second coming. The killing of the False Messiah will traumatize the
Christians and Jews who had followed him, for it will finally reveal to them
that he was not what he had claimed to be. The Prophet of Islam, may the mercy
and blessings of God be upon him, said:
"The son of Mary will soon descend among you and will
judge justly (according to the Law of God [26]): he will break the cross and
kill the pig... " (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The breaking of the cross may be figurative or literal: the
destruction of erected idols in churches and tearing down of crosses from their
steeples, as well as forbidding the use of personal crosses as symbols of
religion; or the destruction of the myth that he was executed by the Romans on
a cross at the instigation of the Jews. Likewise, the killing of the pigs may
be both literal and figurative: literally conducting a campaign to kill all
pigs so the consumption of their meat becomes impossible, allowing them to be
killed, or simply re-imposing the ban God made since time immemorial on
eating their flesh, effectively forcing pig farmers to get rid of their stock
by culling. In effect, two of the mainstays of widespread Christian practice
will be removed, indicating that the religion as taught by modern Christians
would henceforth be defunct, and marking a return to the religion as originally
intended. Muslims must have actually forgot Jesus will come to kill all the camels also they also must be killed.
Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim
Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars. The Prophet of Islam said:
"By him in Whose hand my life is, the son of Mary will
certainly invoke the name of God for Hajj or Umrah or both in the valley of
Rauha (a valley near Medina)." (Saheeh Muslim) This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.
Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and
the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him. And this moment is the
moment God is referring to in the Quranic verse:
"And there is none of the People of the Book who must
believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159) |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars.)
Answer: Yes, that is all the teachings of Tawheed of the Prophets which have been perfected so that it is not only for one tribes but for all humans.
(This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.)
Answer: If we think logically why Christians admit that Jesus was killed and tortured at the cross, while Muslims are defending Jesus that he was not tortured at the cross. So which one respects Jesus, and which one insults Jesus?
(Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him.)
Answer: Yes, because Jesus was a devout and surrender (the meaning of Islam word) only to Allah.
("And there is none of the People of the Book who must believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159))
Answer: That verse explains that the Jesus will come down to earth and will straighten out what the scribes doubted about the murder of the Jesus (Qoran 4: 157), and at that time the scribes will recognize that Jesus is a man who is a messenger of Allah. And they will believe in Allah following Jesus (Qoran 4: 159)
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 24 December 2019 at 5:35pm
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Muslims must have actually forgot Jesus will come to kill all the camels.. |
Muslims do not believe this.
Our beliefs concerning the Messiah ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (Jesus the son of Mary – peace be upon him) are those indicated by the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of our Messenger Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). We believe that ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) was one of the slaves of Allaah, and one of His noble Messengers. Allaah sent him to the Children of Israel to call them to believe in Allaah alone and worship Him alone. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember) when ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: ‘O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allaah unto you, confirming the Tawraat [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.’ But when he (Ahmad, i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they said: ‘This is plain magic’” [al-Saff 61:6] “But the Messiah [‘Eesa (Jesus)] said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allaah, my Lord and your Lord.’ Verily, whosoever sets up partners (in worship) with Allaah, then Allaah has forbidden Paradise to him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers” [al-Maa’idah 5:72] ‘Eesa was not a god or the son of God as the Christians claim. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Surely, they have disbelieved who say: ‘Allaah is the Messiah [‘Eesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary).’” [al-Maa’idah 5:72] “And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allaah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allaah. That is their saying with their mouths, resembling the saying of those who disbelieved aforetime. Allaah’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!” [al-Tawbah 9:30] The first words that ‘Eesa spoke when Allaah caused him to speak when he was in the cradle were (interpretation of the meaning): “He [‘Eesa (Jesus)] said: ‘Verily, I am a slave of Allaah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet’” [Maryam 19:30] We believe that Allaah supported him with miracles that proved he was speaking the truth. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “(Remember) when Allaah will say (on the Day of Resurrection). ‘O ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with Rooh‑ul‑Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)] so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and when I taught you writing, Al‑Hikmah (the power of understanding), the Tawraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel); and when you made out of the clay, a figure like that of a bird, by My Permission, and you breathed into it, and it became a bird by My Permission, and you healed those born blind, and the lepers by My Permission, and when you brought forth the dead by My Permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from you (when they resolved to kill you) as you came unto them with clear proofs, and the disbelievers among them said: This is nothing but evident magic’” [al-Maa'idah 5:110] We believe that ‘Eesa was born from the Virgin Maryam with no father, and that is not impossible for Allaah Who, when He wills a thing, says “Be!” and it is. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, the likeness of ‘Eesa (Jesus) before Allaah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: ‘Be!’ — and he was” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:59] “(Remember) when the angels said: ‘O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allaah gives you the glad tidings of a Word [‘Be!’ — and he was! i.e. ‘Eesa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allaah.” He will speak to the people, in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous.’ She said: ‘O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me.’ He said: ‘So (it will be) for Allaah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: “Be!” and it is’” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:45-47] We believe that he permitted to the Jews some of the things that had been forbidden to them. Allaah tells us that ‘Eesa said to the Children of Israel (interpretation of the meaning): “And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Tawraat (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allaah and obey me” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:50] We believe that he did not die and his enemies the Jews did not kill him, rather Allaah saved him from them and raised him up to heaven alive. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against Maryam (Mary) a grave false charge (that she has committed illegal sexual intercourse); And because of their saying (in boast), ‘We killed Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allaah,’ — but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them the resemblance of ‘Eesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)], and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]: But Allaah raised him [‘Eesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allaah is Ever All‑Powerful, All‑Wise”
[al-Nisa’ 4:156-158] We believe that he told his followers of the coming of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember) when ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: ‘O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allaah unto you, confirming the Tawraat [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.’ But when he (Ahmad, i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they said: ‘This is plain magic’” [al-Saff 61:6] We believe that he will come back down at the end of time, and will disprove the claim of his enemies the Jews that they killed him, and will disprove the claim of the Christians that he is God or the son of God, and he will not accept anything from them but Islam. Al-Bukhaari (2222) and Muslim (155) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, soon the son of Maryam will descend among you [according to another report: the Hour will not begin until the son of Maryam descends among you] as a just judge. He will break the cross, kill the pigs and abolish the jizyah, and money will become abundant until no one will accept it.” “Soon” means it will inevitably happen quickly. “will descend among you” means among this ummah. “A just judge” means that he will come down and rule according to this sharee’ah (divine law), and that this sharee’ah will remain and not be abrogated, rather ‘Eesa will be one of the rulers of this ummah. “He will break the cross and kill the pigs” means he will declare as false the religion of the Christians by breaking the cross in a real sense and proving false the Christians’ claims and veneration of the cross. “and he will abolish the jizyah”: al-Nawawi said: The correct view concerning this is that he will not accept it, and he will not accept anything from the kaafirs disbelievers but Islam. If any of them offer the jizyah that will not make him stop fighting them. Rather he will not accept anything but Islam or death. This is the view of Imam Abu Sulaymaan al-Khattaabi and other scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them). End quote. “Money will become abundant” – the reason for this abundance will be the descent of blessings and the spread of goodness because of justice and the absence of oppression or wrongdoing. At that time the earth will bring forth its treasures, and desire to keep money will decrease because they will know that that Hour is at hand. Then he will die and the Muslims will offer the funeral prayer for him and bury him. Ahmad (9349) narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I am the closest of people to ‘Eesa ibn Maryam because there was no Prophet between him and me…” Then he mentioned his descent at the end of time. Then he said: “And he will remain for as long as Allaah wills he should remain, then he will die and the Muslims will offer the funeral prayer for him and bury him.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah (2182). We believe that he will disavow himself on the Day of Resurrection of the claims that he was a god. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember) when Allaah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): 'O ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allaah?’ He will say: ‘Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner‑self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All‑Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen). Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allaah) did command me to say: Worship Allaah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things’” [al-Maa'idah 5:116-117] “ ‘Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allaah) did command me to say: Worship Allaah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things’” [al-Maa'idah 5:116-117] This is what the Muslims believe about the Messiah ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him). Al-Bukhaari (3435) and Muslim (28) narrated from ‘Ubaadah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever bears witness that there is no god but Allaah alone, with no partner or associate, and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger, and that ‘Eesa is His slave and Messenger, a word which Allaah bestowed upon Maryam and a spirit created by Him, and that Paradise is real, and Hell is real, Allaah will admit him through whichever of the eight gates of Paradise he wishes.”
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Why will money then became so abundant.
Jesus warned us about this when He said, “Do not store up
for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where
thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven,
where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or
steal ...” (Matthew 6:19-20) This is again changing the words of God so the Quran is not God's word.
This the exact oposite of Jesus had said. So compare to me the Allah of Muhammad with the God of the bible. God does not need money. How will the money decrease but first it is abundant and then it will decrease who will mint the money the USA or the UK or the world bank the IMF. “Money will become abundant” – the reason for this abundance will be the descent of blessings and the spread of goodness because of justice and the absence of oppression or wrongdoing. At that time the earth will bring forth its treasures, and desire to keep money will decrease because they will know that that Hour is at hand.
He will break the cross and kill the pigs” means he will declare as false the religion of the Christians by breaking the cross in a real sense and proving false the Christians’ claims and veneration of the cross. “and he will abolish the jizyah”: So Jesus will declare his own religeon as false. Muslims must have actually forgot Jesus will come to kill all the camels..they are also declared by God as unclean animals and muslims eat camel meat Muhammad forgot to copied that from the jews he only remember pigs and the pigs that Jesus must kill is in fact all the Jews. Quran 5:60, in which Allah turned the Jews into apes and
pigs. I wander who must kill the apes when Jesus return. After that the Muslims wil rest and peace and nothing to worry about all the jews and christians will be wiped of the face of the earth. |
Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 24 December 2019 at 6:02pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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1 John 2:22 So who is
lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s
who. This is what makes an
antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has
any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of
the Father as well.
Qur’an 19:88
Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’
preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a
son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
Qur’an 23:91
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to
them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is
there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his
own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their
falsehoods!
Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife,
nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a
wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell
of Him what is untrue.
This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words
of Allah.
Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is
the Antichrist)
Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is
the Antichrist)
In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son
Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so
what does that tell you your false prophet
Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to
destroy Christ and all His followers. But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad. Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!. Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life. What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy. Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.
Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.
He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent
forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even
with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal
men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look
like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.
Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The
Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man,
not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He
would be a man and he would be alive. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries. |
(1 John 2:22 So who is lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s who. This is what makes an antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of the Father as well.)
Answer: I want to ask you, is Jesus a human child or God's child ?
(Qur’an 19:88 Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!)
Answer: Can you imagine if God has a son ? And He is a father ? Automatically the position of Maria's parents is higher than God, because they are God's parents-in-law. thus God's degree in human eyes will be weak.
(Qur’an 23:91 Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!)
Answer: Yes, if God more than one, They will fight for power. That verse can only be accepted by people who are smart in thinking.
(Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.)
(This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words of Allah.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice because you don't like the Prophet Muhammad as the Messenger of Allah.
(Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is the Antichrist)
(Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is the Antichrist))
Answer: Dajjal will claim that he is God, so people who are religious on this earth will become his enemies.
(In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so what does that tell you your false prophet Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to destroy Christ and all His followers.)
Answer: I want to ask you, who will kill Dajjal ?
(But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad.)
Answer: The acknowledgment that God had three children is derived from beliefs in ancient Babylonian times, namely the worshipers of the sun and consider that God a lot.
(Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!.)
Answer: I can read through the words that you write that your heart is upset. Be careful that the devil will easily tempt the hearts of people who are upset or angry. Whoever the person is, don't be afraid of Muslims (Islamaphobia), but fear to the God of Muslims who are watching us wherever we are.
(Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life.)
Answer: That means you don't admit the messengers of God, whereas they have a grip life.
(What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy.)
Answer: Gabriel is not afraid of anyone except to Allah.
(Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.)
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad did not dare to kill all creatures created by Allah unless there was an order from Allah.
(Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.)
(He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.)
(Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man, not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He would be a man and he would be alive.)
Answer: Whatever the characteristics of Dajjal is not the main problem, but every person who doesn't admit him as God, will be killed. And the first people to be approached and to be killed are Muslims.
(2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.)
Answer: Yes he will claim as God.
(This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries.)
Answer: You are looking for loopholes to drop the teachings of Tawheed. For Muslims, there is no God except Allah. Muslims do not agree with Dajjal's claim, instead Muslims acknowledge that Dajjal is also Allah's creation.
Muslims invite all people in countries because they want to save humans, especially in the hereafter. Even if it is rejected, it will not be a problem for Muslims because they have conveyed Allah's commands.
|
You can totally not visualise that the Dajjal was a fabrcation fairy tale of Muhammad as same as the Madhi supposed to be a descendant Muhammad which is also fabricated lie of Muhammad who wanted emulate the real Messiah to moraly impressed his believers
This last is the completely Moslemized version of the saga:
the intermediate stage being defined by the idea that the rule of the Mahdi
will be overthrown by Dajjal, in order that Anti-christ may in turn be
overthrown by Jesus at his second coming. The killing of the False Messiah will traumatize the
Christians and Jews who had followed him, for it will finally reveal to them
that he was not what he had claimed to be. The Prophet of Islam, may the mercy
and blessings of God be upon him, said:
"The son of Mary will soon descend among you and will
judge justly (according to the Law of God [26]): he will break the cross and
kill the pig... " (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The breaking of the cross may be figurative or literal: the
destruction of erected idols in churches and tearing down of crosses from their
steeples, as well as forbidding the use of personal crosses as symbols of
religion; or the destruction of the myth that he was executed by the Romans on
a cross at the instigation of the Jews. Likewise, the killing of the pigs may
be both literal and figurative: literally conducting a campaign to kill all
pigs so the consumption of their meat becomes impossible, allowing them to be
killed, or simply re-imposing the ban God made since time immemorial on
eating their flesh, effectively forcing pig farmers to get rid of their stock
by culling. In effect, two of the mainstays of widespread Christian practice
will be removed, indicating that the religion as taught by modern Christians
would henceforth be defunct, and marking a return to the religion as originally
intended. Muslims must have actually forgot Jesus will come to kill all the camels also they also must be killed.
Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim
Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars. The Prophet of Islam said:
"By him in Whose hand my life is, the son of Mary will
certainly invoke the name of God for Hajj or Umrah or both in the valley of
Rauha (a valley near Medina)." (Saheeh Muslim) This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.
Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and
the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him. And this moment is the
moment God is referring to in the Quranic verse:
"And there is none of the People of the Book who must
believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159) |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars.)
Answer: Yes, that is all the teachings of Tawheed of the Prophets which have been perfected so that it is not only for one tribes but for all humans.
(This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.)
Answer: If we think logically why Christians admit that Jesus was killed and tortured at the cross, while Muslims are defending Jesus that he was not tortured at the cross. So which one respects Jesus, and which one insults Jesus?
(Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him.)
Answer: Yes, because Jesus was a devout and surrender (the meaning of Islam word) only to Allah.
("And there is none of the People of the Book who must believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159))
Answer: That verse explains that the Jesus will come down to earth and will straighten out what the scribes doubted about the murder of the Jesus (Qoran 4: 157), and at that time the scribes will recognize that Jesus is a man who is a messenger of Allah. And they will believe in Allah following Jesus (Qoran 4: 159)
|
Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars
So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.
Muslims follow five basic pillars that are essential to
their faith. These include:
Shahada: to declare one’s faith in God and belief in
Muhammad
Salat: to pray five times a day (at dawn, noon, afternoon,
sunset, and evening)
Zakat: to give to those in need
Sawm: to fast during Ramadan
Hajj: to make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once during a
person’s lifetime if the person is able. Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair. |
Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 26 December 2019 at 3:12pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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1 John 2:22 So who is
lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s
who. This is what makes an
antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has
any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of
the Father as well.
Qur’an 19:88
Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’
preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a
son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
Qur’an 23:91
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to
them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is
there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his
own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their
falsehoods!
Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife,
nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a
wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell
of Him what is untrue.
This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words
of Allah.
Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is
the Antichrist)
Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is
the Antichrist)
In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son
Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so
what does that tell you your false prophet
Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to
destroy Christ and all His followers. But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad. Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!. Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life. What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy. Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.
Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.
He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent
forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even
with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal
men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look
like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.
Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The
Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man,
not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He
would be a man and he would be alive. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries. |
(1 John 2:22 So who is lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s who. This is what makes an antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of the Father as well.)
Answer: I want to ask you, is Jesus a human child or God's child ?
(Qur’an 19:88 Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!)
Answer: Can you imagine if God has a son ? And He is a father ? Automatically the position of Maria's parents is higher than God, because they are God's parents-in-law. thus God's degree in human eyes will be weak.
(Qur’an 23:91 Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!)
Answer: Yes, if God more than one, They will fight for power. That verse can only be accepted by people who are smart in thinking.
(Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.)
(This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words of Allah.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice because you don't like the Prophet Muhammad as the Messenger of Allah.
(Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is the Antichrist)
(Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is the Antichrist))
Answer: Dajjal will claim that he is God, so people who are religious on this earth will become his enemies.
(In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so what does that tell you your false prophet Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to destroy Christ and all His followers.)
Answer: I want to ask you, who will kill Dajjal ?
(But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad.)
Answer: The acknowledgment that God had three children is derived from beliefs in ancient Babylonian times, namely the worshipers of the sun and consider that God a lot.
(Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!.)
Answer: I can read through the words that you write that your heart is upset. Be careful that the devil will easily tempt the hearts of people who are upset or angry. Whoever the person is, don't be afraid of Muslims (Islamaphobia), but fear to the God of Muslims who are watching us wherever we are.
(Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life.)
Answer: That means you don't admit the messengers of God, whereas they have a grip life.
(What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy.)
Answer: Gabriel is not afraid of anyone except to Allah.
(Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.)
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad did not dare to kill all creatures created by Allah unless there was an order from Allah.
(Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.)
(He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.)
(Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man, not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He would be a man and he would be alive.)
Answer: Whatever the characteristics of Dajjal is not the main problem, but every person who doesn't admit him as God, will be killed. And the first people to be approached and to be killed are Muslims.
(2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.)
Answer: Yes he will claim as God.
(This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries.)
Answer: You are looking for loopholes to drop the teachings of Tawheed. For Muslims, there is no God except Allah. Muslims do not agree with Dajjal's claim, instead Muslims acknowledge that Dajjal is also Allah's creation.
Muslims invite all people in countries because they want to save humans, especially in the hereafter. Even if it is rejected, it will not be a problem for Muslims because they have conveyed Allah's commands.
|
You can totally not visualise that the Dajjal was a fabrcation fairy tale of Muhammad as same as the Madhi supposed to be a descendant Muhammad which is also fabricated lie of Muhammad who wanted emulate the real Messiah to moraly impressed his believers
This last is the completely Moslemized version of the saga:
the intermediate stage being defined by the idea that the rule of the Mahdi
will be overthrown by Dajjal, in order that Anti-christ may in turn be
overthrown by Jesus at his second coming. The killing of the False Messiah will traumatize the
Christians and Jews who had followed him, for it will finally reveal to them
that he was not what he had claimed to be. The Prophet of Islam, may the mercy
and blessings of God be upon him, said:
"The son of Mary will soon descend among you and will
judge justly (according to the Law of God [26]): he will break the cross and
kill the pig... " (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The breaking of the cross may be figurative or literal: the
destruction of erected idols in churches and tearing down of crosses from their
steeples, as well as forbidding the use of personal crosses as symbols of
religion; or the destruction of the myth that he was executed by the Romans on
a cross at the instigation of the Jews. Likewise, the killing of the pigs may
be both literal and figurative: literally conducting a campaign to kill all
pigs so the consumption of their meat becomes impossible, allowing them to be
killed, or simply re-imposing the ban God made since time immemorial on
eating their flesh, effectively forcing pig farmers to get rid of their stock
by culling. In effect, two of the mainstays of widespread Christian practice
will be removed, indicating that the religion as taught by modern Christians
would henceforth be defunct, and marking a return to the religion as originally
intended. Muslims must have actually forgot Jesus will come to kill all the camels also they also must be killed.
Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim
Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars. The Prophet of Islam said:
"By him in Whose hand my life is, the son of Mary will
certainly invoke the name of God for Hajj or Umrah or both in the valley of
Rauha (a valley near Medina)." (Saheeh Muslim) This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.
Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and
the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him. And this moment is the
moment God is referring to in the Quranic verse:
"And there is none of the People of the Book who must
believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159) |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars.)
Answer: Yes, that is all the teachings of Tawheed of the Prophets which have been perfected so that it is not only for one tribes but for all humans.
(This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.)
Answer: If we think logically why Christians admit that Jesus was killed and tortured at the cross, while Muslims are defending Jesus that he was not tortured at the cross. So which one respects Jesus, and which one insults Jesus?
(Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him.)
Answer: Yes, because Jesus was a devout and surrender (the meaning of Islam word) only to Allah.
("And there is none of the People of the Book who must believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159))
Answer: That verse explains that the Jesus will come down to earth and will straighten out what the scribes doubted about the murder of the Jesus (Qoran 4: 157), and at that time the scribes will recognize that Jesus is a man who is a messenger of Allah. And they will believe in Allah following Jesus (Qoran 4: 159)
|
Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars
So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.
Muslims follow five basic pillars that are essential to
their faith. These include:
Shahada: to declare one’s faith in God and belief in
Muhammad
Salat: to pray five times a day (at dawn, noon, afternoon,
sunset, and evening)
Zakat: to give to those in need
Sawm: to fast during Ramadan
Hajj: to make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once during a
person’s lifetime if the person is able. Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair. |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars)
Answer: Yes he will do it. Because he will follow the rules of God that apply at the end of time.
(So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.)
Answer: Prophet Muhammad didn't worship idols but he worshiped Allah who created all humans and everything in the universe.
(Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair.)
Answer: Yes, Jesus will never tell the Apostles because before he was born there were Apostles. This proves that Jesus was a human.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 26 December 2019 at 3:57pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
|
1 John 2:22 So who is
lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s
who. This is what makes an
antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has
any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of
the Father as well.
Qur’an 19:88
Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’
preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a
son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
Qur’an 23:91
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to
them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is
there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his
own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their
falsehoods!
Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife,
nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a
wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell
of Him what is untrue.
This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words
of Allah.
Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is
the Antichrist)
Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is
the Antichrist)
In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son
Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so
what does that tell you your false prophet
Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to
destroy Christ and all His followers. But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad. Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!. Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life. What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy. Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.
Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.
He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent
forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even
with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal
men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look
like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.
Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The
Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man,
not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He
would be a man and he would be alive. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries. |
(1 John 2:22 So who is lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s who. This is what makes an antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of the Father as well.)
Answer: I want to ask you, is Jesus a human child or God's child ?
(Qur’an 19:88 Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!)
Answer: Can you imagine if God has a son ? And He is a father ? Automatically the position of Maria's parents is higher than God, because they are God's parents-in-law. thus God's degree in human eyes will be weak.
(Qur’an 23:91 Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!)
Answer: Yes, if God more than one, They will fight for power. That verse can only be accepted by people who are smart in thinking.
(Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.)
(This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words of Allah.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice because you don't like the Prophet Muhammad as the Messenger of Allah.
(Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is the Antichrist)
(Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is the Antichrist))
Answer: Dajjal will claim that he is God, so people who are religious on this earth will become his enemies.
(In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so what does that tell you your false prophet Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to destroy Christ and all His followers.)
Answer: I want to ask you, who will kill Dajjal ?
(But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad.)
Answer: The acknowledgment that God had three children is derived from beliefs in ancient Babylonian times, namely the worshipers of the sun and consider that God a lot.
(Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!.)
Answer: I can read through the words that you write that your heart is upset. Be careful that the devil will easily tempt the hearts of people who are upset or angry. Whoever the person is, don't be afraid of Muslims (Islamaphobia), but fear to the God of Muslims who are watching us wherever we are.
(Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life.)
Answer: That means you don't admit the messengers of God, whereas they have a grip life.
(What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy.)
Answer: Gabriel is not afraid of anyone except to Allah.
(Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.)
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad did not dare to kill all creatures created by Allah unless there was an order from Allah.
(Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.)
(He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.)
(Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man, not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He would be a man and he would be alive.)
Answer: Whatever the characteristics of Dajjal is not the main problem, but every person who doesn't admit him as God, will be killed. And the first people to be approached and to be killed are Muslims.
(2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.)
Answer: Yes he will claim as God.
(This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries.)
Answer: You are looking for loopholes to drop the teachings of Tawheed. For Muslims, there is no God except Allah. Muslims do not agree with Dajjal's claim, instead Muslims acknowledge that Dajjal is also Allah's creation.
Muslims invite all people in countries because they want to save humans, especially in the hereafter. Even if it is rejected, it will not be a problem for Muslims because they have conveyed Allah's commands.
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You can totally not visualise that the Dajjal was a fabrcation fairy tale of Muhammad as same as the Madhi supposed to be a descendant Muhammad which is also fabricated lie of Muhammad who wanted emulate the real Messiah to moraly impressed his believers
This last is the completely Moslemized version of the saga:
the intermediate stage being defined by the idea that the rule of the Mahdi
will be overthrown by Dajjal, in order that Anti-christ may in turn be
overthrown by Jesus at his second coming. The killing of the False Messiah will traumatize the
Christians and Jews who had followed him, for it will finally reveal to them
that he was not what he had claimed to be. The Prophet of Islam, may the mercy
and blessings of God be upon him, said:
"The son of Mary will soon descend among you and will
judge justly (according to the Law of God [26]): he will break the cross and
kill the pig... " (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The breaking of the cross may be figurative or literal: the
destruction of erected idols in churches and tearing down of crosses from their
steeples, as well as forbidding the use of personal crosses as symbols of
religion; or the destruction of the myth that he was executed by the Romans on
a cross at the instigation of the Jews. Likewise, the killing of the pigs may
be both literal and figurative: literally conducting a campaign to kill all
pigs so the consumption of their meat becomes impossible, allowing them to be
killed, or simply re-imposing the ban God made since time immemorial on
eating their flesh, effectively forcing pig farmers to get rid of their stock
by culling. In effect, two of the mainstays of widespread Christian practice
will be removed, indicating that the religion as taught by modern Christians
would henceforth be defunct, and marking a return to the religion as originally
intended. Muslims must have actually forgot Jesus will come to kill all the camels also they also must be killed.
Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim
Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars. The Prophet of Islam said:
"By him in Whose hand my life is, the son of Mary will
certainly invoke the name of God for Hajj or Umrah or both in the valley of
Rauha (a valley near Medina)." (Saheeh Muslim) This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.
Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and
the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him. And this moment is the
moment God is referring to in the Quranic verse:
"And there is none of the People of the Book who must
believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159) |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars.)
Answer: Yes, that is all the teachings of Tawheed of the Prophets which have been perfected so that it is not only for one tribes but for all humans.
(This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.)
Answer: If we think logically why Christians admit that Jesus was killed and tortured at the cross, while Muslims are defending Jesus that he was not tortured at the cross. So which one respects Jesus, and which one insults Jesus?
(Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him.)
Answer: Yes, because Jesus was a devout and surrender (the meaning of Islam word) only to Allah.
("And there is none of the People of the Book who must believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159))
Answer: That verse explains that the Jesus will come down to earth and will straighten out what the scribes doubted about the murder of the Jesus (Qoran 4: 157), and at that time the scribes will recognize that Jesus is a man who is a messenger of Allah. And they will believe in Allah following Jesus (Qoran 4: 159)
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Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars
So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.
Muslims follow five basic pillars that are essential to
their faith. These include:
Shahada: to declare one’s faith in God and belief in
Muhammad
Salat: to pray five times a day (at dawn, noon, afternoon,
sunset, and evening)
Zakat: to give to those in need
Sawm: to fast during Ramadan
Hajj: to make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once during a
person’s lifetime if the person is able. Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair. |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars)
Answer: Yes he will do it. Because he will follow the rules of God that apply at the end of time.
(So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.)
Answer: Prophet Muhammad didn't worship idols but he worshiped Allah who created all humans and everything in the universe.
(Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair.)
Answer: Yes, Jesus will never tell the Apostles because before he was born there were Apostles. This proves that Jesus was a human.
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The islamic pillars are already compleet so what is the issue to complete all the isalmic pillars.
I said Muhammad used the old pagan rituals that he made lawfull for muslims to practise.
Who was the Apostles before Jesus there was no Apostles before Jesus and he was only one who could ordained Apostles not like Muhammad who apointed himself as Allah's false Apostle.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 27 December 2019 at 8:58pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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1 John 2:22 So who is
lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s
who. This is what makes an
antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has
any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of
the Father as well.
Qur’an 19:88
Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’
preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a
son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
Qur’an 23:91
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to
them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is
there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his
own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their
falsehoods!
Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife,
nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a
wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell
of Him what is untrue.
This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words
of Allah.
Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is
the Antichrist)
Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is
the Antichrist)
In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son
Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so
what does that tell you your false prophet
Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to
destroy Christ and all His followers. But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad. Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!. Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life. What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy. Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.
Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.
He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent
forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even
with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal
men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look
like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.
Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The
Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man,
not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He
would be a man and he would be alive. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries. |
(1 John 2:22 So who is lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s who. This is what makes an antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of the Father as well.)
Answer: I want to ask you, is Jesus a human child or God's child ?
(Qur’an 19:88 Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!)
Answer: Can you imagine if God has a son ? And He is a father ? Automatically the position of Maria's parents is higher than God, because they are God's parents-in-law. thus God's degree in human eyes will be weak.
(Qur’an 23:91 Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!)
Answer: Yes, if God more than one, They will fight for power. That verse can only be accepted by people who are smart in thinking.
(Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.)
(This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words of Allah.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice because you don't like the Prophet Muhammad as the Messenger of Allah.
(Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is the Antichrist)
(Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is the Antichrist))
Answer: Dajjal will claim that he is God, so people who are religious on this earth will become his enemies.
(In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so what does that tell you your false prophet Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to destroy Christ and all His followers.)
Answer: I want to ask you, who will kill Dajjal ?
(But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad.)
Answer: The acknowledgment that God had three children is derived from beliefs in ancient Babylonian times, namely the worshipers of the sun and consider that God a lot.
(Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!.)
Answer: I can read through the words that you write that your heart is upset. Be careful that the devil will easily tempt the hearts of people who are upset or angry. Whoever the person is, don't be afraid of Muslims (Islamaphobia), but fear to the God of Muslims who are watching us wherever we are.
(Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life.)
Answer: That means you don't admit the messengers of God, whereas they have a grip life.
(What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy.)
Answer: Gabriel is not afraid of anyone except to Allah.
(Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.)
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad did not dare to kill all creatures created by Allah unless there was an order from Allah.
(Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.)
(He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.)
(Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man, not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He would be a man and he would be alive.)
Answer: Whatever the characteristics of Dajjal is not the main problem, but every person who doesn't admit him as God, will be killed. And the first people to be approached and to be killed are Muslims.
(2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.)
Answer: Yes he will claim as God.
(This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries.)
Answer: You are looking for loopholes to drop the teachings of Tawheed. For Muslims, there is no God except Allah. Muslims do not agree with Dajjal's claim, instead Muslims acknowledge that Dajjal is also Allah's creation.
Muslims invite all people in countries because they want to save humans, especially in the hereafter. Even if it is rejected, it will not be a problem for Muslims because they have conveyed Allah's commands.
|
You can totally not visualise that the Dajjal was a fabrcation fairy tale of Muhammad as same as the Madhi supposed to be a descendant Muhammad which is also fabricated lie of Muhammad who wanted emulate the real Messiah to moraly impressed his believers
This last is the completely Moslemized version of the saga:
the intermediate stage being defined by the idea that the rule of the Mahdi
will be overthrown by Dajjal, in order that Anti-christ may in turn be
overthrown by Jesus at his second coming. The killing of the False Messiah will traumatize the
Christians and Jews who had followed him, for it will finally reveal to them
that he was not what he had claimed to be. The Prophet of Islam, may the mercy
and blessings of God be upon him, said:
"The son of Mary will soon descend among you and will
judge justly (according to the Law of God [26]): he will break the cross and
kill the pig... " (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The breaking of the cross may be figurative or literal: the
destruction of erected idols in churches and tearing down of crosses from their
steeples, as well as forbidding the use of personal crosses as symbols of
religion; or the destruction of the myth that he was executed by the Romans on
a cross at the instigation of the Jews. Likewise, the killing of the pigs may
be both literal and figurative: literally conducting a campaign to kill all
pigs so the consumption of their meat becomes impossible, allowing them to be
killed, or simply re-imposing the ban God made since time immemorial on
eating their flesh, effectively forcing pig farmers to get rid of their stock
by culling. In effect, two of the mainstays of widespread Christian practice
will be removed, indicating that the religion as taught by modern Christians
would henceforth be defunct, and marking a return to the religion as originally
intended. Muslims must have actually forgot Jesus will come to kill all the camels also they also must be killed.
Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim
Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars. The Prophet of Islam said:
"By him in Whose hand my life is, the son of Mary will
certainly invoke the name of God for Hajj or Umrah or both in the valley of
Rauha (a valley near Medina)." (Saheeh Muslim) This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.
Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and
the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him. And this moment is the
moment God is referring to in the Quranic verse:
"And there is none of the People of the Book who must
believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159) |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars.)
Answer: Yes, that is all the teachings of Tawheed of the Prophets which have been perfected so that it is not only for one tribes but for all humans.
(This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.)
Answer: If we think logically why Christians admit that Jesus was killed and tortured at the cross, while Muslims are defending Jesus that he was not tortured at the cross. So which one respects Jesus, and which one insults Jesus?
(Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him.)
Answer: Yes, because Jesus was a devout and surrender (the meaning of Islam word) only to Allah.
("And there is none of the People of the Book who must believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159))
Answer: That verse explains that the Jesus will come down to earth and will straighten out what the scribes doubted about the murder of the Jesus (Qoran 4: 157), and at that time the scribes will recognize that Jesus is a man who is a messenger of Allah. And they will believe in Allah following Jesus (Qoran 4: 159)
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Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars
So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.
Muslims follow five basic pillars that are essential to
their faith. These include:
Shahada: to declare one’s faith in God and belief in
Muhammad
Salat: to pray five times a day (at dawn, noon, afternoon,
sunset, and evening)
Zakat: to give to those in need
Sawm: to fast during Ramadan
Hajj: to make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once during a
person’s lifetime if the person is able. Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair. |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars)
Answer: Yes he will do it. Because he will follow the rules of God that apply at the end of time.
(So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.)
Answer: Prophet Muhammad didn't worship idols but he worshiped Allah who created all humans and everything in the universe.
(Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair.)
Answer: Yes, Jesus will never tell the Apostles because before he was born there were Apostles. This proves that Jesus was a human.
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The islamic pillars are already compleet so what is the issue to complete all the isalmic pillars.
I said Muhammad used the old pagan rituals that he made lawfull for muslims to practise.
Who was the Apostles before Jesus there was no Apostles before Jesus and he was only one who could ordained Apostles not like Muhammad who apointed himself as Allah's false Apostle.
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(The islamic pillars are already compleet so what is the issue to complete all the isalmic pillars.)
Answer: All the rules and commands of Allah have been perfect since the existence of the Qur'an and the last Prophet (Muhammad), and it will apply until the end.
(I said Muhammad used the old pagan rituals that he made lawfull for muslims to practise.)
Answer: The ritual performed by the Prophet Muhammad was also carried out by the Prophets before.
Please consider the following verses !
Psalm 138:2 "I want to bow down to Your holy temple and praise Your name, because of Your love and because of Your faithfulness; for You make Your name and Your promise above all things."
Does that verse mean that the Prophet David worshiped the Kaaba ? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Kaaba.
Ezekiel 44: 4. "Then He carried me through the north gate to the front of the temple; I see, truly, God's house full of God's glory, so I bow down."
Does that verse mean that the prophet Ezekiel worshiped the Temple? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Qibla.
Mark 14:33 "And He took Peter, James and John with him. He was very scared and terrified, Mark 14:34 then he said to them: "My heart is very sad, as if I want to die. Stay here and keep watch." Mark 14:35 "He advanced a little, prostrate down on the ground and prayed that, if possible, that moment then from him."
THESE VERSES PROVE THAT JESUS ALSO DOING SALAH.
Do you also do it like Jesus?
Look carefully at the following verse.
Matthew 15: 8 "This nation glorifies Me (Allah) with its lips, even though its heart is far from Me. Matthew 15: 9 "It is useless to worship Me, while the teachings they teach are human commands."
CAN YOU TAKE THE TRUE MEANING FROM THAT VERSES ?
(Who was the Apostles before Jesus there was no Apostles before Jesus and he was only one who could ordained Apostles not like Muhammad who apointed himself as Allah's false Apostle.)
Answer: The Apostles before Jesus included: Noah, Ibrahim, Moses, and others.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 01 January 2020 at 2:46am
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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1 John 2:22 So who is
lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s
who. This is what makes an
antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has
any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of
the Father as well.
Qur’an 19:88
Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’
preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a
son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
Qur’an 23:91
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to
them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is
there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his
own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their
falsehoods!
Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife,
nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a
wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell
of Him what is untrue.
This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words
of Allah.
Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is
the Antichrist)
Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is
the Antichrist)
In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son
Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so
what does that tell you your false prophet
Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to
destroy Christ and all His followers. But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad. Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!. Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life. What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy. Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.
Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.
He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent
forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even
with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal
men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look
like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.
Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The
Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man,
not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He
would be a man and he would be alive. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries. |
(1 John 2:22 So who is lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s who. This is what makes an antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of the Father as well.)
Answer: I want to ask you, is Jesus a human child or God's child ?
(Qur’an 19:88 Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!)
Answer: Can you imagine if God has a son ? And He is a father ? Automatically the position of Maria's parents is higher than God, because they are God's parents-in-law. thus God's degree in human eyes will be weak.
(Qur’an 23:91 Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!)
Answer: Yes, if God more than one, They will fight for power. That verse can only be accepted by people who are smart in thinking.
(Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.)
(This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words of Allah.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice because you don't like the Prophet Muhammad as the Messenger of Allah.
(Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is the Antichrist)
(Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is the Antichrist))
Answer: Dajjal will claim that he is God, so people who are religious on this earth will become his enemies.
(In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so what does that tell you your false prophet Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to destroy Christ and all His followers.)
Answer: I want to ask you, who will kill Dajjal ?
(But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad.)
Answer: The acknowledgment that God had three children is derived from beliefs in ancient Babylonian times, namely the worshipers of the sun and consider that God a lot.
(Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!.)
Answer: I can read through the words that you write that your heart is upset. Be careful that the devil will easily tempt the hearts of people who are upset or angry. Whoever the person is, don't be afraid of Muslims (Islamaphobia), but fear to the God of Muslims who are watching us wherever we are.
(Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life.)
Answer: That means you don't admit the messengers of God, whereas they have a grip life.
(What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy.)
Answer: Gabriel is not afraid of anyone except to Allah.
(Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.)
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad did not dare to kill all creatures created by Allah unless there was an order from Allah.
(Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.)
(He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.)
(Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man, not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He would be a man and he would be alive.)
Answer: Whatever the characteristics of Dajjal is not the main problem, but every person who doesn't admit him as God, will be killed. And the first people to be approached and to be killed are Muslims.
(2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.)
Answer: Yes he will claim as God.
(This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries.)
Answer: You are looking for loopholes to drop the teachings of Tawheed. For Muslims, there is no God except Allah. Muslims do not agree with Dajjal's claim, instead Muslims acknowledge that Dajjal is also Allah's creation.
Muslims invite all people in countries because they want to save humans, especially in the hereafter. Even if it is rejected, it will not be a problem for Muslims because they have conveyed Allah's commands.
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You can totally not visualise that the Dajjal was a fabrcation fairy tale of Muhammad as same as the Madhi supposed to be a descendant Muhammad which is also fabricated lie of Muhammad who wanted emulate the real Messiah to moraly impressed his believers
This last is the completely Moslemized version of the saga:
the intermediate stage being defined by the idea that the rule of the Mahdi
will be overthrown by Dajjal, in order that Anti-christ may in turn be
overthrown by Jesus at his second coming. The killing of the False Messiah will traumatize the
Christians and Jews who had followed him, for it will finally reveal to them
that he was not what he had claimed to be. The Prophet of Islam, may the mercy
and blessings of God be upon him, said:
"The son of Mary will soon descend among you and will
judge justly (according to the Law of God [26]): he will break the cross and
kill the pig... " (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The breaking of the cross may be figurative or literal: the
destruction of erected idols in churches and tearing down of crosses from their
steeples, as well as forbidding the use of personal crosses as symbols of
religion; or the destruction of the myth that he was executed by the Romans on
a cross at the instigation of the Jews. Likewise, the killing of the pigs may
be both literal and figurative: literally conducting a campaign to kill all
pigs so the consumption of their meat becomes impossible, allowing them to be
killed, or simply re-imposing the ban God made since time immemorial on
eating their flesh, effectively forcing pig farmers to get rid of their stock
by culling. In effect, two of the mainstays of widespread Christian practice
will be removed, indicating that the religion as taught by modern Christians
would henceforth be defunct, and marking a return to the religion as originally
intended. Muslims must have actually forgot Jesus will come to kill all the camels also they also must be killed.
Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim
Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars. The Prophet of Islam said:
"By him in Whose hand my life is, the son of Mary will
certainly invoke the name of God for Hajj or Umrah or both in the valley of
Rauha (a valley near Medina)." (Saheeh Muslim) This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.
Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and
the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him. And this moment is the
moment God is referring to in the Quranic verse:
"And there is none of the People of the Book who must
believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159) |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars.)
Answer: Yes, that is all the teachings of Tawheed of the Prophets which have been perfected so that it is not only for one tribes but for all humans.
(This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.)
Answer: If we think logically why Christians admit that Jesus was killed and tortured at the cross, while Muslims are defending Jesus that he was not tortured at the cross. So which one respects Jesus, and which one insults Jesus?
(Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him.)
Answer: Yes, because Jesus was a devout and surrender (the meaning of Islam word) only to Allah.
("And there is none of the People of the Book who must believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159))
Answer: That verse explains that the Jesus will come down to earth and will straighten out what the scribes doubted about the murder of the Jesus (Qoran 4: 157), and at that time the scribes will recognize that Jesus is a man who is a messenger of Allah. And they will believe in Allah following Jesus (Qoran 4: 159)
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Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars
So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.
Muslims follow five basic pillars that are essential to
their faith. These include:
Shahada: to declare one’s faith in God and belief in
Muhammad
Salat: to pray five times a day (at dawn, noon, afternoon,
sunset, and evening)
Zakat: to give to those in need
Sawm: to fast during Ramadan
Hajj: to make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once during a
person’s lifetime if the person is able. Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair. |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars)
Answer: Yes he will do it. Because he will follow the rules of God that apply at the end of time.
(So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.)
Answer: Prophet Muhammad didn't worship idols but he worshiped Allah who created all humans and everything in the universe.
(Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair.)
Answer: Yes, Jesus will never tell the Apostles because before he was born there were Apostles. This proves that Jesus was a human.
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The islamic pillars are already compleet so what is the issue to complete all the isalmic pillars.
I said Muhammad used the old pagan rituals that he made lawfull for muslims to practise.
Who was the Apostles before Jesus there was no Apostles before Jesus and he was only one who could ordained Apostles not like Muhammad who apointed himself as Allah's false Apostle.
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(The islamic pillars are already compleet so what is the issue to complete all the isalmic pillars.)
Answer: All the rules and commands of Allah have been perfect since the existence of the Qur'an and the last Prophet (Muhammad), and it will apply until the end.
(I said Muhammad used the old pagan rituals that he made lawfull for muslims to practise.)
Answer: The ritual performed by the Prophet Muhammad was also carried out by the Prophets before.
Please consider the following verses !
Psalm 138:2 "I want to bow down to Your holy temple and praise Your name, because of Your love and because of Your faithfulness; for You make Your name and Your promise above all things."
Does that verse mean that the Prophet David worshiped the Kaaba ? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Kaaba.
Ezekiel 44: 4. "Then He carried me through the north gate to the front of the temple; I see, truly, God's house full of God's glory, so I bow down."
Does that verse mean that the prophet Ezekiel worshiped the Temple? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Qibla.
Mark 14:33 "And He took Peter, James and John with him. He was very scared and terrified, Mark 14:34 then he said to them: "My heart is very sad, as if I want to die. Stay here and keep watch." Mark 14:35 "He advanced a little, prostrate down on the ground and prayed that, if possible, that moment then from him."
THESE VERSES PROVE THAT JESUS ALSO DOING SALAH.
Do you also do it like Jesus?
Look carefully at the following verse.
Matthew 15: 8 "This nation glorifies Me (Allah) with its lips, even though its heart is far from Me. Matthew 15: 9 "It is useless to worship Me, while the teachings they teach are human commands."
CAN YOU TAKE THE TRUE MEANING FROM THAT VERSES ?
(Who was the Apostles before Jesus there was no Apostles before Jesus and he was only one who could ordained Apostles not like Muhammad who apointed himself as Allah's false Apostle.)
Answer: The Apostles before Jesus included: Noah, Ibrahim, Moses, and others.
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There was no Kabaa in Ezekiel's time and Dawid's time you changed the words of the bible so it can fits the Quran Not even Abrahaham or Ismail build the Kabaa like some Muslims who changed the history to ligalise islam. Psalm 138:2 "I want to bow down to Your holy temple and praise Your name, because of Your love and because of Your faithfulness; for You make Your name and Your promise above all things."
Does that verse mean that the Prophet David worshiped the Kaaba ? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Kaaba.
Dawid did not worship the Allah of Muhammad.
Ezekiel 44: 4. "Then He carried me through the north gate to the front of the temple; I see, truly, God's house full of God's glory, so I bow down."
Does that verse mean that the prophet Ezekiel worshiped the Temple? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Qibla.( Kabaa) Then the Jews must also be called Muslsims sorry why did Muhammad expelled all the Jews from Arabia cause they did not worship the same God as the muslims did.
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...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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1 John 2:22 So who is
lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s
who. This is what makes an
antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has
any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of
the Father as well.
Qur’an 19:88
Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’
preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a
son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
Qur’an 23:91
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to
them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is
there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his
own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their
falsehoods!
Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife,
nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a
wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell
of Him what is untrue.
This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words
of Allah.
Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is
the Antichrist)
Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is
the Antichrist)
In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son
Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so
what does that tell you your false prophet
Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to
destroy Christ and all His followers. But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad. Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!. Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life. What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy. Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.
Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.
He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent
forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even
with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal
men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look
like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.
Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The
Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man,
not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He
would be a man and he would be alive. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries. |
(1 John 2:22 So who is lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s who. This is what makes an antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of the Father as well.)
Answer: I want to ask you, is Jesus a human child or God's child ?
(Qur’an 19:88 Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!)
Answer: Can you imagine if God has a son ? And He is a father ? Automatically the position of Maria's parents is higher than God, because they are God's parents-in-law. thus God's degree in human eyes will be weak.
(Qur’an 23:91 Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!)
Answer: Yes, if God more than one, They will fight for power. That verse can only be accepted by people who are smart in thinking.
(Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.)
(This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words of Allah.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice because you don't like the Prophet Muhammad as the Messenger of Allah.
(Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is the Antichrist)
(Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is the Antichrist))
Answer: Dajjal will claim that he is God, so people who are religious on this earth will become his enemies.
(In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so what does that tell you your false prophet Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to destroy Christ and all His followers.)
Answer: I want to ask you, who will kill Dajjal ?
(But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad.)
Answer: The acknowledgment that God had three children is derived from beliefs in ancient Babylonian times, namely the worshipers of the sun and consider that God a lot.
(Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!.)
Answer: I can read through the words that you write that your heart is upset. Be careful that the devil will easily tempt the hearts of people who are upset or angry. Whoever the person is, don't be afraid of Muslims (Islamaphobia), but fear to the God of Muslims who are watching us wherever we are.
(Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life.)
Answer: That means you don't admit the messengers of God, whereas they have a grip life.
(What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy.)
Answer: Gabriel is not afraid of anyone except to Allah.
(Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.)
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad did not dare to kill all creatures created by Allah unless there was an order from Allah.
(Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.)
(He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.)
(Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man, not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He would be a man and he would be alive.)
Answer: Whatever the characteristics of Dajjal is not the main problem, but every person who doesn't admit him as God, will be killed. And the first people to be approached and to be killed are Muslims.
(2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.)
Answer: Yes he will claim as God.
(This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries.)
Answer: You are looking for loopholes to drop the teachings of Tawheed. For Muslims, there is no God except Allah. Muslims do not agree with Dajjal's claim, instead Muslims acknowledge that Dajjal is also Allah's creation.
Muslims invite all people in countries because they want to save humans, especially in the hereafter. Even if it is rejected, it will not be a problem for Muslims because they have conveyed Allah's commands.
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You can totally not visualise that the Dajjal was a fabrcation fairy tale of Muhammad as same as the Madhi supposed to be a descendant Muhammad which is also fabricated lie of Muhammad who wanted emulate the real Messiah to moraly impressed his believers
This last is the completely Moslemized version of the saga:
the intermediate stage being defined by the idea that the rule of the Mahdi
will be overthrown by Dajjal, in order that Anti-christ may in turn be
overthrown by Jesus at his second coming. The killing of the False Messiah will traumatize the
Christians and Jews who had followed him, for it will finally reveal to them
that he was not what he had claimed to be. The Prophet of Islam, may the mercy
and blessings of God be upon him, said:
"The son of Mary will soon descend among you and will
judge justly (according to the Law of God [26]): he will break the cross and
kill the pig... " (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The breaking of the cross may be figurative or literal: the
destruction of erected idols in churches and tearing down of crosses from their
steeples, as well as forbidding the use of personal crosses as symbols of
religion; or the destruction of the myth that he was executed by the Romans on
a cross at the instigation of the Jews. Likewise, the killing of the pigs may
be both literal and figurative: literally conducting a campaign to kill all
pigs so the consumption of their meat becomes impossible, allowing them to be
killed, or simply re-imposing the ban God made since time immemorial on
eating their flesh, effectively forcing pig farmers to get rid of their stock
by culling. In effect, two of the mainstays of widespread Christian practice
will be removed, indicating that the religion as taught by modern Christians
would henceforth be defunct, and marking a return to the religion as originally
intended. Muslims must have actually forgot Jesus will come to kill all the camels also they also must be killed.
Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim
Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars. The Prophet of Islam said:
"By him in Whose hand my life is, the son of Mary will
certainly invoke the name of God for Hajj or Umrah or both in the valley of
Rauha (a valley near Medina)." (Saheeh Muslim) This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.
Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and
the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him. And this moment is the
moment God is referring to in the Quranic verse:
"And there is none of the People of the Book who must
believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159) |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars.)
Answer: Yes, that is all the teachings of Tawheed of the Prophets which have been perfected so that it is not only for one tribes but for all humans.
(This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.)
Answer: If we think logically why Christians admit that Jesus was killed and tortured at the cross, while Muslims are defending Jesus that he was not tortured at the cross. So which one respects Jesus, and which one insults Jesus?
(Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him.)
Answer: Yes, because Jesus was a devout and surrender (the meaning of Islam word) only to Allah.
("And there is none of the People of the Book who must believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159))
Answer: That verse explains that the Jesus will come down to earth and will straighten out what the scribes doubted about the murder of the Jesus (Qoran 4: 157), and at that time the scribes will recognize that Jesus is a man who is a messenger of Allah. And they will believe in Allah following Jesus (Qoran 4: 159)
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Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars
So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.
Muslims follow five basic pillars that are essential to
their faith. These include:
Shahada: to declare one’s faith in God and belief in
Muhammad
Salat: to pray five times a day (at dawn, noon, afternoon,
sunset, and evening)
Zakat: to give to those in need
Sawm: to fast during Ramadan
Hajj: to make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once during a
person’s lifetime if the person is able. Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair. |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars)
Answer: Yes he will do it. Because he will follow the rules of God that apply at the end of time.
(So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.)
Answer: Prophet Muhammad didn't worship idols but he worshiped Allah who created all humans and everything in the universe.
(Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair.)
Answer: Yes, Jesus will never tell the Apostles because before he was born there were Apostles. This proves that Jesus was a human.
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The islamic pillars are already compleet so what is the issue to complete all the isalmic pillars.
I said Muhammad used the old pagan rituals that he made lawfull for muslims to practise.
Who was the Apostles before Jesus there was no Apostles before Jesus and he was only one who could ordained Apostles not like Muhammad who apointed himself as Allah's false Apostle.
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(The islamic pillars are already compleet so what is the issue to complete all the isalmic pillars.)
Answer: All the rules and commands of Allah have been perfect since the existence of the Qur'an and the last Prophet (Muhammad), and it will apply until the end.
(I said Muhammad used the old pagan rituals that he made lawfull for muslims to practise.)
Answer: The ritual performed by the Prophet Muhammad was also carried out by the Prophets before.
Please consider the following verses !
Psalm 138:2 "I want to bow down to Your holy temple and praise Your name, because of Your love and because of Your faithfulness; for You make Your name and Your promise above all things."
Does that verse mean that the Prophet David worshiped the Kaaba ? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Kaaba.
Ezekiel 44: 4. "Then He carried me through the north gate to the front of the temple; I see, truly, God's house full of God's glory, so I bow down."
Does that verse mean that the prophet Ezekiel worshiped the Temple? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Qibla.
Mark 14:33 "And He took Peter, James and John with him. He was very scared and terrified, Mark 14:34 then he said to them: "My heart is very sad, as if I want to die. Stay here and keep watch." Mark 14:35 "He advanced a little, prostrate down on the ground and prayed that, if possible, that moment then from him."
THESE VERSES PROVE THAT JESUS ALSO DOING SALAH.
Do you also do it like Jesus?
Look carefully at the following verse.
Matthew 15: 8 "This nation glorifies Me (Allah) with its lips, even though its heart is far from Me. Matthew 15: 9 "It is useless to worship Me, while the teachings they teach are human commands."
CAN YOU TAKE THE TRUE MEANING FROM THAT VERSES ?
(Who was the Apostles before Jesus there was no Apostles before Jesus and he was only one who could ordained Apostles not like Muhammad who apointed himself as Allah's false Apostle.)
Answer: The Apostles before Jesus included: Noah, Ibrahim, Moses, and others.
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There was no Kabaa in Ezekiel's time and Dawid's time you changed the words of the bible so it can fits the Quran Not even Abrahaham or Ismail build the Kabaa like some Muslims who changed the history to ligalise islam. Psalm 138:2 "I want to bow down to Your holy temple and praise Your name, because of Your love and because of Your faithfulness; for You make Your name and Your promise above all things."
Does that verse mean that the Prophet David worshiped the Kaaba ? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Kaaba.
Dawid did not worship the Allah of Muhammad.
Ezekiel 44: 4. "Then He carried me through the north gate to the front of the temple; I see, truly, God's house full of God's glory, so I bow down."
Does that verse mean that the prophet Ezekiel worshiped the Temple? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Qibla.( Kabaa) Then the Jews must also be called Muslsims sorry why did Muhammad expelled all the Jews from Arabia cause they did not worship the same God as the muslims did.
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(There was no Kabaa in Ezekiel's time and Dawid's time you changed the words of the bible so it can fits the Quran.)
Answer: The first form of Kabaa was not like now, but all the Prophets knew that the Kabaa had existed since the Prophet Adam.
I didn't change the words of the bible, you'd better ask to the Scribes why they change it.
(Not even Abrahaham or Ismail build the Kabaa like some Muslims who changed the history to ligalise islam.)
Answer: Yes, the Prophet Ibrahim and his son (Ismail) had rebuilt the Kabaa so that it looked like now.
(Dawid did not worship the Allah of Muhammad.)
Answer: So who is his God ? Jesus ? No.., at that time Jesus wasn't born.
(Then the Jews must also be called Muslsims sorry why did Muhammad expelled all the Jews from Arabia cause they did not worship the same God as the muslims did.)
Answer: The word of Muslims are from Arabic which means to surrender to one God and He is not similar to His creatures. So anyone who surrenders to one God and believes that God is not similar to His creatures means Muslims (in Arabic), it does not mean the language is the same as the language of the Prophets before the Prophet Muhammad.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 03 January 2020 at 12:35pm
asep garutea wrote:
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...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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1 John 2:22 So who is
lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s
who. This is what makes an
antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has
any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of
the Father as well.
Qur’an 19:88
Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’
preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a
son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
Qur’an 23:91
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to
them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is
there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his
own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their
falsehoods!
Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife,
nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a
wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell
of Him what is untrue.
This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words
of Allah.
Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is
the Antichrist)
Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is
the Antichrist)
In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son
Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so
what does that tell you your false prophet
Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to
destroy Christ and all His followers. But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad. Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!. Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life. What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy. Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.
Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.
He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent
forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even
with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal
men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look
like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.
Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The
Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man,
not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He
would be a man and he would be alive. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries. |
(1 John 2:22 So who is lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s who. This is what makes an antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of the Father as well.)
Answer: I want to ask you, is Jesus a human child or God's child ?
(Qur’an 19:88 Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!)
Answer: Can you imagine if God has a son ? And He is a father ? Automatically the position of Maria's parents is higher than God, because they are God's parents-in-law. thus God's degree in human eyes will be weak.
(Qur’an 23:91 Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!)
Answer: Yes, if God more than one, They will fight for power. That verse can only be accepted by people who are smart in thinking.
(Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.)
(This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words of Allah.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice because you don't like the Prophet Muhammad as the Messenger of Allah.
(Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is the Antichrist)
(Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is the Antichrist))
Answer: Dajjal will claim that he is God, so people who are religious on this earth will become his enemies.
(In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so what does that tell you your false prophet Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to destroy Christ and all His followers.)
Answer: I want to ask you, who will kill Dajjal ?
(But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad.)
Answer: The acknowledgment that God had three children is derived from beliefs in ancient Babylonian times, namely the worshipers of the sun and consider that God a lot.
(Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!.)
Answer: I can read through the words that you write that your heart is upset. Be careful that the devil will easily tempt the hearts of people who are upset or angry. Whoever the person is, don't be afraid of Muslims (Islamaphobia), but fear to the God of Muslims who are watching us wherever we are.
(Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life.)
Answer: That means you don't admit the messengers of God, whereas they have a grip life.
(What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy.)
Answer: Gabriel is not afraid of anyone except to Allah.
(Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.)
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad did not dare to kill all creatures created by Allah unless there was an order from Allah.
(Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.)
(He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.)
(Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man, not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He would be a man and he would be alive.)
Answer: Whatever the characteristics of Dajjal is not the main problem, but every person who doesn't admit him as God, will be killed. And the first people to be approached and to be killed are Muslims.
(2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.)
Answer: Yes he will claim as God.
(This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries.)
Answer: You are looking for loopholes to drop the teachings of Tawheed. For Muslims, there is no God except Allah. Muslims do not agree with Dajjal's claim, instead Muslims acknowledge that Dajjal is also Allah's creation.
Muslims invite all people in countries because they want to save humans, especially in the hereafter. Even if it is rejected, it will not be a problem for Muslims because they have conveyed Allah's commands.
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You can totally not visualise that the Dajjal was a fabrcation fairy tale of Muhammad as same as the Madhi supposed to be a descendant Muhammad which is also fabricated lie of Muhammad who wanted emulate the real Messiah to moraly impressed his believers
This last is the completely Moslemized version of the saga:
the intermediate stage being defined by the idea that the rule of the Mahdi
will be overthrown by Dajjal, in order that Anti-christ may in turn be
overthrown by Jesus at his second coming. The killing of the False Messiah will traumatize the
Christians and Jews who had followed him, for it will finally reveal to them
that he was not what he had claimed to be. The Prophet of Islam, may the mercy
and blessings of God be upon him, said:
"The son of Mary will soon descend among you and will
judge justly (according to the Law of God [26]): he will break the cross and
kill the pig... " (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The breaking of the cross may be figurative or literal: the
destruction of erected idols in churches and tearing down of crosses from their
steeples, as well as forbidding the use of personal crosses as symbols of
religion; or the destruction of the myth that he was executed by the Romans on
a cross at the instigation of the Jews. Likewise, the killing of the pigs may
be both literal and figurative: literally conducting a campaign to kill all
pigs so the consumption of their meat becomes impossible, allowing them to be
killed, or simply re-imposing the ban God made since time immemorial on
eating their flesh, effectively forcing pig farmers to get rid of their stock
by culling. In effect, two of the mainstays of widespread Christian practice
will be removed, indicating that the religion as taught by modern Christians
would henceforth be defunct, and marking a return to the religion as originally
intended. Muslims must have actually forgot Jesus will come to kill all the camels also they also must be killed.
Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim
Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars. The Prophet of Islam said:
"By him in Whose hand my life is, the son of Mary will
certainly invoke the name of God for Hajj or Umrah or both in the valley of
Rauha (a valley near Medina)." (Saheeh Muslim) This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.
Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and
the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him. And this moment is the
moment God is referring to in the Quranic verse:
"And there is none of the People of the Book who must
believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159) |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars.)
Answer: Yes, that is all the teachings of Tawheed of the Prophets which have been perfected so that it is not only for one tribes but for all humans.
(This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.)
Answer: If we think logically why Christians admit that Jesus was killed and tortured at the cross, while Muslims are defending Jesus that he was not tortured at the cross. So which one respects Jesus, and which one insults Jesus?
(Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him.)
Answer: Yes, because Jesus was a devout and surrender (the meaning of Islam word) only to Allah.
("And there is none of the People of the Book who must believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159))
Answer: That verse explains that the Jesus will come down to earth and will straighten out what the scribes doubted about the murder of the Jesus (Qoran 4: 157), and at that time the scribes will recognize that Jesus is a man who is a messenger of Allah. And they will believe in Allah following Jesus (Qoran 4: 159)
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Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars
So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.
Muslims follow five basic pillars that are essential to
their faith. These include:
Shahada: to declare one’s faith in God and belief in
Muhammad
Salat: to pray five times a day (at dawn, noon, afternoon,
sunset, and evening)
Zakat: to give to those in need
Sawm: to fast during Ramadan
Hajj: to make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once during a
person’s lifetime if the person is able. Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair. |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars)
Answer: Yes he will do it. Because he will follow the rules of God that apply at the end of time.
(So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.)
Answer: Prophet Muhammad didn't worship idols but he worshiped Allah who created all humans and everything in the universe.
(Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair.)
Answer: Yes, Jesus will never tell the Apostles because before he was born there were Apostles. This proves that Jesus was a human.
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The islamic pillars are already compleet so what is the issue to complete all the isalmic pillars.
I said Muhammad used the old pagan rituals that he made lawfull for muslims to practise.
Who was the Apostles before Jesus there was no Apostles before Jesus and he was only one who could ordained Apostles not like Muhammad who apointed himself as Allah's false Apostle.
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(The islamic pillars are already compleet so what is the issue to complete all the isalmic pillars.)
Answer: All the rules and commands of Allah have been perfect since the existence of the Qur'an and the last Prophet (Muhammad), and it will apply until the end.
(I said Muhammad used the old pagan rituals that he made lawfull for muslims to practise.)
Answer: The ritual performed by the Prophet Muhammad was also carried out by the Prophets before.
Please consider the following verses !
Psalm 138:2 "I want to bow down to Your holy temple and praise Your name, because of Your love and because of Your faithfulness; for You make Your name and Your promise above all things."
Does that verse mean that the Prophet David worshiped the Kaaba ? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Kaaba.
Ezekiel 44: 4. "Then He carried me through the north gate to the front of the temple; I see, truly, God's house full of God's glory, so I bow down."
Does that verse mean that the prophet Ezekiel worshiped the Temple? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Qibla.
Mark 14:33 "And He took Peter, James and John with him. He was very scared and terrified, Mark 14:34 then he said to them: "My heart is very sad, as if I want to die. Stay here and keep watch." Mark 14:35 "He advanced a little, prostrate down on the ground and prayed that, if possible, that moment then from him."
THESE VERSES PROVE THAT JESUS ALSO DOING SALAH.
Do you also do it like Jesus?
Look carefully at the following verse.
Matthew 15: 8 "This nation glorifies Me (Allah) with its lips, even though its heart is far from Me. Matthew 15: 9 "It is useless to worship Me, while the teachings they teach are human commands."
CAN YOU TAKE THE TRUE MEANING FROM THAT VERSES ?
(Who was the Apostles before Jesus there was no Apostles before Jesus and he was only one who could ordained Apostles not like Muhammad who apointed himself as Allah's false Apostle.)
Answer: The Apostles before Jesus included: Noah, Ibrahim, Moses, and others.
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There was no Kabaa in Ezekiel's time and Dawid's time you changed the words of the bible so it can fits the Quran Not even Abrahaham or Ismail build the Kabaa like some Muslims who changed the history to ligalise islam. Psalm 138:2 "I want to bow down to Your holy temple and praise Your name, because of Your love and because of Your faithfulness; for You make Your name and Your promise above all things."
Does that verse mean that the Prophet David worshiped the Kaaba ? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Kaaba.
Dawid did not worship the Allah of Muhammad.
Ezekiel 44: 4. "Then He carried me through the north gate to the front of the temple; I see, truly, God's house full of God's glory, so I bow down."
Does that verse mean that the prophet Ezekiel worshiped the Temple? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Qibla.( Kabaa) Then the Jews must also be called Muslsims sorry why did Muhammad expelled all the Jews from Arabia cause they did not worship the same God as the muslims did.
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(There was no Kabaa in Ezekiel's time and Dawid's time you changed the words of the bible so it can fits the Quran.)
Answer: The first form of Kabaa was not like now, but all the Prophets knew that the Kabaa had existed since the Prophet Adam.
I didn't change the words of the bible, you'd better ask to the Scribes why they change it.
(Not even Abrahaham or Ismail build the Kabaa like some Muslims who changed the history to ligalise islam.)
Answer: Yes, the Prophet Ibrahim and his son (Ismail) had rebuilt the Kabaa so that it looked like now.
(Dawid did not worship the Allah of Muhammad.)
Answer: So who is his God ? Jesus ? No.., at that time Jesus wasn't born.
(Then the Jews must also be called Muslsims sorry why did Muhammad expelled all the Jews from Arabia cause they did not worship the same God as the muslims did.)
Answer: The word of Muslims are from Arabic which means to surrender to one God and He is not similar to His creatures. So anyone who surrenders to one God and believes that God is not similar to His creatures means Muslims (in Arabic), it does not mean the language is the same as the language of the Prophets before the Prophet Muhammad.
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Okay Adam build the Kabaa for who?
Who are all the prophets who knew about the Kabaa since Adam's time?
If Adam build the Kabaa so why then must Abraham and Ismail build the Kabaa, was Mecca populated by the time of Abraham. If Abraham and Ismail build the Kabaa where did they got bricks and cement from maybe from the local Arabs that time.
The first form of Kabaa was not like now, but all the Prophets knew that the Kabaa had existed since the Prophet Adam.(Adam was not prophet) What was the first form of look a like.
I have asked you why did Muhammad expelled all the jews from Arabia?
Your answer Muslim means surrender.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 04 January 2020 at 5:09am
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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1 John 2:22 So who is
lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s
who. This is what makes an
antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has
any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of
the Father as well.
Qur’an 19:88
Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’
preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a
son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
Qur’an 23:91
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to
them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is
there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his
own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their
falsehoods!
Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife,
nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a
wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell
of Him what is untrue.
This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words
of Allah.
Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is
the Antichrist)
Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is
the Antichrist)
In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son
Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so
what does that tell you your false prophet
Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to
destroy Christ and all His followers. But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad. Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!. Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life. What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy. Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.
Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.
He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent
forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even
with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal
men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look
like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.
Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The
Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man,
not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He
would be a man and he would be alive. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries. |
(1 John 2:22 So who is lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s who. This is what makes an antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of the Father as well.)
Answer: I want to ask you, is Jesus a human child or God's child ?
(Qur’an 19:88 Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!)
Answer: Can you imagine if God has a son ? And He is a father ? Automatically the position of Maria's parents is higher than God, because they are God's parents-in-law. thus God's degree in human eyes will be weak.
(Qur’an 23:91 Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!)
Answer: Yes, if God more than one, They will fight for power. That verse can only be accepted by people who are smart in thinking.
(Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.)
(This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words of Allah.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice because you don't like the Prophet Muhammad as the Messenger of Allah.
(Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is the Antichrist)
(Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is the Antichrist))
Answer: Dajjal will claim that he is God, so people who are religious on this earth will become his enemies.
(In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so what does that tell you your false prophet Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to destroy Christ and all His followers.)
Answer: I want to ask you, who will kill Dajjal ?
(But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad.)
Answer: The acknowledgment that God had three children is derived from beliefs in ancient Babylonian times, namely the worshipers of the sun and consider that God a lot.
(Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!.)
Answer: I can read through the words that you write that your heart is upset. Be careful that the devil will easily tempt the hearts of people who are upset or angry. Whoever the person is, don't be afraid of Muslims (Islamaphobia), but fear to the God of Muslims who are watching us wherever we are.
(Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life.)
Answer: That means you don't admit the messengers of God, whereas they have a grip life.
(What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy.)
Answer: Gabriel is not afraid of anyone except to Allah.
(Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.)
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad did not dare to kill all creatures created by Allah unless there was an order from Allah.
(Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.)
(He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.)
(Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man, not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He would be a man and he would be alive.)
Answer: Whatever the characteristics of Dajjal is not the main problem, but every person who doesn't admit him as God, will be killed. And the first people to be approached and to be killed are Muslims.
(2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.)
Answer: Yes he will claim as God.
(This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries.)
Answer: You are looking for loopholes to drop the teachings of Tawheed. For Muslims, there is no God except Allah. Muslims do not agree with Dajjal's claim, instead Muslims acknowledge that Dajjal is also Allah's creation.
Muslims invite all people in countries because they want to save humans, especially in the hereafter. Even if it is rejected, it will not be a problem for Muslims because they have conveyed Allah's commands.
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You can totally not visualise that the Dajjal was a fabrcation fairy tale of Muhammad as same as the Madhi supposed to be a descendant Muhammad which is also fabricated lie of Muhammad who wanted emulate the real Messiah to moraly impressed his believers
This last is the completely Moslemized version of the saga:
the intermediate stage being defined by the idea that the rule of the Mahdi
will be overthrown by Dajjal, in order that Anti-christ may in turn be
overthrown by Jesus at his second coming. The killing of the False Messiah will traumatize the
Christians and Jews who had followed him, for it will finally reveal to them
that he was not what he had claimed to be. The Prophet of Islam, may the mercy
and blessings of God be upon him, said:
"The son of Mary will soon descend among you and will
judge justly (according to the Law of God [26]): he will break the cross and
kill the pig... " (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The breaking of the cross may be figurative or literal: the
destruction of erected idols in churches and tearing down of crosses from their
steeples, as well as forbidding the use of personal crosses as symbols of
religion; or the destruction of the myth that he was executed by the Romans on
a cross at the instigation of the Jews. Likewise, the killing of the pigs may
be both literal and figurative: literally conducting a campaign to kill all
pigs so the consumption of their meat becomes impossible, allowing them to be
killed, or simply re-imposing the ban God made since time immemorial on
eating their flesh, effectively forcing pig farmers to get rid of their stock
by culling. In effect, two of the mainstays of widespread Christian practice
will be removed, indicating that the religion as taught by modern Christians
would henceforth be defunct, and marking a return to the religion as originally
intended. Muslims must have actually forgot Jesus will come to kill all the camels also they also must be killed.
Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim
Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars. The Prophet of Islam said:
"By him in Whose hand my life is, the son of Mary will
certainly invoke the name of God for Hajj or Umrah or both in the valley of
Rauha (a valley near Medina)." (Saheeh Muslim) This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.
Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and
the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him. And this moment is the
moment God is referring to in the Quranic verse:
"And there is none of the People of the Book who must
believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159) |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars.)
Answer: Yes, that is all the teachings of Tawheed of the Prophets which have been perfected so that it is not only for one tribes but for all humans.
(This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.)
Answer: If we think logically why Christians admit that Jesus was killed and tortured at the cross, while Muslims are defending Jesus that he was not tortured at the cross. So which one respects Jesus, and which one insults Jesus?
(Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him.)
Answer: Yes, because Jesus was a devout and surrender (the meaning of Islam word) only to Allah.
("And there is none of the People of the Book who must believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159))
Answer: That verse explains that the Jesus will come down to earth and will straighten out what the scribes doubted about the murder of the Jesus (Qoran 4: 157), and at that time the scribes will recognize that Jesus is a man who is a messenger of Allah. And they will believe in Allah following Jesus (Qoran 4: 159)
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Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars
So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.
Muslims follow five basic pillars that are essential to
their faith. These include:
Shahada: to declare one’s faith in God and belief in
Muhammad
Salat: to pray five times a day (at dawn, noon, afternoon,
sunset, and evening)
Zakat: to give to those in need
Sawm: to fast during Ramadan
Hajj: to make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once during a
person’s lifetime if the person is able. Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair. |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars)
Answer: Yes he will do it. Because he will follow the rules of God that apply at the end of time.
(So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.)
Answer: Prophet Muhammad didn't worship idols but he worshiped Allah who created all humans and everything in the universe.
(Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair.)
Answer: Yes, Jesus will never tell the Apostles because before he was born there were Apostles. This proves that Jesus was a human.
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The islamic pillars are already compleet so what is the issue to complete all the isalmic pillars.
I said Muhammad used the old pagan rituals that he made lawfull for muslims to practise.
Who was the Apostles before Jesus there was no Apostles before Jesus and he was only one who could ordained Apostles not like Muhammad who apointed himself as Allah's false Apostle.
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(The islamic pillars are already compleet so what is the issue to complete all the isalmic pillars.)
Answer: All the rules and commands of Allah have been perfect since the existence of the Qur'an and the last Prophet (Muhammad), and it will apply until the end.
(I said Muhammad used the old pagan rituals that he made lawfull for muslims to practise.)
Answer: The ritual performed by the Prophet Muhammad was also carried out by the Prophets before.
Please consider the following verses !
Psalm 138:2 "I want to bow down to Your holy temple and praise Your name, because of Your love and because of Your faithfulness; for You make Your name and Your promise above all things."
Does that verse mean that the Prophet David worshiped the Kaaba ? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Kaaba.
Ezekiel 44: 4. "Then He carried me through the north gate to the front of the temple; I see, truly, God's house full of God's glory, so I bow down."
Does that verse mean that the prophet Ezekiel worshiped the Temple? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Qibla.
Mark 14:33 "And He took Peter, James and John with him. He was very scared and terrified, Mark 14:34 then he said to them: "My heart is very sad, as if I want to die. Stay here and keep watch." Mark 14:35 "He advanced a little, prostrate down on the ground and prayed that, if possible, that moment then from him."
THESE VERSES PROVE THAT JESUS ALSO DOING SALAH.
Do you also do it like Jesus?
Look carefully at the following verse.
Matthew 15: 8 "This nation glorifies Me (Allah) with its lips, even though its heart is far from Me. Matthew 15: 9 "It is useless to worship Me, while the teachings they teach are human commands."
CAN YOU TAKE THE TRUE MEANING FROM THAT VERSES ?
(Who was the Apostles before Jesus there was no Apostles before Jesus and he was only one who could ordained Apostles not like Muhammad who apointed himself as Allah's false Apostle.)
Answer: The Apostles before Jesus included: Noah, Ibrahim, Moses, and others.
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There was no Kabaa in Ezekiel's time and Dawid's time you changed the words of the bible so it can fits the Quran Not even Abrahaham or Ismail build the Kabaa like some Muslims who changed the history to ligalise islam. Psalm 138:2 "I want to bow down to Your holy temple and praise Your name, because of Your love and because of Your faithfulness; for You make Your name and Your promise above all things."
Does that verse mean that the Prophet David worshiped the Kaaba ? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Kaaba.
Dawid did not worship the Allah of Muhammad.
Ezekiel 44: 4. "Then He carried me through the north gate to the front of the temple; I see, truly, God's house full of God's glory, so I bow down."
Does that verse mean that the prophet Ezekiel worshiped the Temple? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Qibla.( Kabaa) Then the Jews must also be called Muslsims sorry why did Muhammad expelled all the Jews from Arabia cause they did not worship the same God as the muslims did.
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(There was no Kabaa in Ezekiel's time and Dawid's time you changed the words of the bible so it can fits the Quran.)
Answer: The first form of Kabaa was not like now, but all the Prophets knew that the Kabaa had existed since the Prophet Adam.
I didn't change the words of the bible, you'd better ask to the Scribes why they change it.
(Not even Abrahaham or Ismail build the Kabaa like some Muslims who changed the history to ligalise islam.)
Answer: Yes, the Prophet Ibrahim and his son (Ismail) had rebuilt the Kabaa so that it looked like now.
(Dawid did not worship the Allah of Muhammad.)
Answer: So who is his God ? Jesus ? No.., at that time Jesus wasn't born.
(Then the Jews must also be called Muslsims sorry why did Muhammad expelled all the Jews from Arabia cause they did not worship the same God as the muslims did.)
Answer: The word of Muslims are from Arabic which means to surrender to one God and He is not similar to His creatures. So anyone who surrenders to one God and believes that God is not similar to His creatures means Muslims (in Arabic), it does not mean the language is the same as the language of the Prophets before the Prophet Muhammad.
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Okay Adam build the Kabaa for who?
Who are all the prophets who knew about the Kabaa since Adam's time?
If Adam build the Kabaa so why then must Abraham and Ismail build the Kabaa, was Mecca populated by the time of Abraham. If Abraham and Ismail build the Kabaa where did they got bricks and cement from maybe from the local Arabs that time.
The first form of Kabaa was not like now, but all the Prophets knew that the Kabaa had existed since the Prophet Adam.(Adam was not prophet) What was the first form of look a like.
I have asked you why did Muhammad expelled all the jews from Arabia?
Your answer Muslim means surrender.
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(Okay Adam build the Kabaa for who?)
Answer: For all Muslims throughout the world so that when praying is recommended to face the Kaaba it doesn't mean that Muslims worship the Kaaba, but it is a symbol established by Allah for the orientation of the Muslims. Apart from that, it is also a symbol of the unity of the Islamic ummah when praying is facing towards the same point.
(Who are all the prophets who knew about the Kabaa since Adam's time?)
The Prophet Abraham, Ishmael (they rebuilt it), David, Ezekiel, Daniel, and others. I got this information from the Gospel, is it possible that the Gospel you have is not the same with mine ? Why do you believe the Gospel but you don't know it yourself ?
(If Adam build the Kabaa so why then must Abraham and Ismail build the Kabaa, was Mecca populated by the time of Abraham. If Abraham and Ismail build the Kabaa where did they got bricks and cement from maybe from the local Arabs that time.) Answer: The Prophet Adam did not build the Kaaba but Allah made it exist there. So, the previous Kaaba were not as we can see now. If you ask for about brick and cement, why don't you also ask for about wood, cloth etc. Sorry, I'm not a building material trader. I hope every one here knows what the meaning is.
(The first form of Kabaa was not like now, but all the Prophets knew that the Kabaa had existed since the Prophet Adam.) (Adam was not prophet) What was the first form of look a like.)
Answer: Sorry I don't live in the time of the Prophet Adam.
(I have asked you why did Muhammad expelled all the jews from Arabia?) (Your answer Muslim means surrender.)
Answer: I answer 'Muslim' means surrender not for Muhammad expelled all the jews from Arabia, but explaining that whoever the people worship only to one God and He is not as the same as His creatures is Muslim.
Then the reasons why the Prophet Muhammad expelled the Jews from Arabia, including:
1. At that time the Jews violated their agreement with the Prophet Muhammad that they wouldn't interfere and take offensive actions against Muslims.
2. Jews attempted assassination of Prophet Muhammad etc.
If I see from the verses, hadith, history that you posted on this forum, it seems more likely known who you really are.
Well.., then I will ask you which one is right between the two verses in the Gospel below ?
(........,....) "Then Gad came to David, telling him by saying, 'Will you be struck by SEVEN YEARS of famine in your land? or will you flee for three months before your opponents, while they pursue you?
And
(........,....) Then Gad came to David, he said to him, thus saith the Lord: Thou shalt choose. THREE YEARS of starvation or three months you fled before your opponents, while your enemy's sword followed you?
Which one is correct SEVEN YEARS or THREE YEARS ?
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Date Posted: 05 January 2020 at 5:48pm
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...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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1 John 2:22 So who is
lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s
who. This is what makes an
antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has
any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of
the Father as well.
Qur’an 19:88
Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’
preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a
son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
Qur’an 23:91
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to
them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is
there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his
own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their
falsehoods!
Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife,
nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a
wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell
of Him what is untrue.
This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words
of Allah.
Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is
the Antichrist)
Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is
the Antichrist)
In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son
Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so
what does that tell you your false prophet
Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to
destroy Christ and all His followers. But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad. Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!. Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life. What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy. Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.
Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.
He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent
forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even
with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal
men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look
like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.
Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The
Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man,
not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He
would be a man and he would be alive. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries. |
(1 John 2:22 So who is lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s who. This is what makes an antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of the Father as well.)
Answer: I want to ask you, is Jesus a human child or God's child ?
(Qur’an 19:88 Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!)
Answer: Can you imagine if God has a son ? And He is a father ? Automatically the position of Maria's parents is higher than God, because they are God's parents-in-law. thus God's degree in human eyes will be weak.
(Qur’an 23:91 Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!)
Answer: Yes, if God more than one, They will fight for power. That verse can only be accepted by people who are smart in thinking.
(Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.)
(This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words of Allah.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice because you don't like the Prophet Muhammad as the Messenger of Allah.
(Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is the Antichrist)
(Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is the Antichrist))
Answer: Dajjal will claim that he is God, so people who are religious on this earth will become his enemies.
(In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so what does that tell you your false prophet Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to destroy Christ and all His followers.)
Answer: I want to ask you, who will kill Dajjal ?
(But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad.)
Answer: The acknowledgment that God had three children is derived from beliefs in ancient Babylonian times, namely the worshipers of the sun and consider that God a lot.
(Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!.)
Answer: I can read through the words that you write that your heart is upset. Be careful that the devil will easily tempt the hearts of people who are upset or angry. Whoever the person is, don't be afraid of Muslims (Islamaphobia), but fear to the God of Muslims who are watching us wherever we are.
(Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life.)
Answer: That means you don't admit the messengers of God, whereas they have a grip life.
(What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy.)
Answer: Gabriel is not afraid of anyone except to Allah.
(Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.)
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad did not dare to kill all creatures created by Allah unless there was an order from Allah.
(Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.)
(He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.)
(Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man, not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He would be a man and he would be alive.)
Answer: Whatever the characteristics of Dajjal is not the main problem, but every person who doesn't admit him as God, will be killed. And the first people to be approached and to be killed are Muslims.
(2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.)
Answer: Yes he will claim as God.
(This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries.)
Answer: You are looking for loopholes to drop the teachings of Tawheed. For Muslims, there is no God except Allah. Muslims do not agree with Dajjal's claim, instead Muslims acknowledge that Dajjal is also Allah's creation.
Muslims invite all people in countries because they want to save humans, especially in the hereafter. Even if it is rejected, it will not be a problem for Muslims because they have conveyed Allah's commands.
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You can totally not visualise that the Dajjal was a fabrcation fairy tale of Muhammad as same as the Madhi supposed to be a descendant Muhammad which is also fabricated lie of Muhammad who wanted emulate the real Messiah to moraly impressed his believers
This last is the completely Moslemized version of the saga:
the intermediate stage being defined by the idea that the rule of the Mahdi
will be overthrown by Dajjal, in order that Anti-christ may in turn be
overthrown by Jesus at his second coming. The killing of the False Messiah will traumatize the
Christians and Jews who had followed him, for it will finally reveal to them
that he was not what he had claimed to be. The Prophet of Islam, may the mercy
and blessings of God be upon him, said:
"The son of Mary will soon descend among you and will
judge justly (according to the Law of God [26]): he will break the cross and
kill the pig... " (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The breaking of the cross may be figurative or literal: the
destruction of erected idols in churches and tearing down of crosses from their
steeples, as well as forbidding the use of personal crosses as symbols of
religion; or the destruction of the myth that he was executed by the Romans on
a cross at the instigation of the Jews. Likewise, the killing of the pigs may
be both literal and figurative: literally conducting a campaign to kill all
pigs so the consumption of their meat becomes impossible, allowing them to be
killed, or simply re-imposing the ban God made since time immemorial on
eating their flesh, effectively forcing pig farmers to get rid of their stock
by culling. In effect, two of the mainstays of widespread Christian practice
will be removed, indicating that the religion as taught by modern Christians
would henceforth be defunct, and marking a return to the religion as originally
intended. Muslims must have actually forgot Jesus will come to kill all the camels also they also must be killed.
Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim
Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars. The Prophet of Islam said:
"By him in Whose hand my life is, the son of Mary will
certainly invoke the name of God for Hajj or Umrah or both in the valley of
Rauha (a valley near Medina)." (Saheeh Muslim) This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.
Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and
the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him. And this moment is the
moment God is referring to in the Quranic verse:
"And there is none of the People of the Book who must
believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159) |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars.)
Answer: Yes, that is all the teachings of Tawheed of the Prophets which have been perfected so that it is not only for one tribes but for all humans.
(This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.)
Answer: If we think logically why Christians admit that Jesus was killed and tortured at the cross, while Muslims are defending Jesus that he was not tortured at the cross. So which one respects Jesus, and which one insults Jesus?
(Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him.)
Answer: Yes, because Jesus was a devout and surrender (the meaning of Islam word) only to Allah.
("And there is none of the People of the Book who must believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159))
Answer: That verse explains that the Jesus will come down to earth and will straighten out what the scribes doubted about the murder of the Jesus (Qoran 4: 157), and at that time the scribes will recognize that Jesus is a man who is a messenger of Allah. And they will believe in Allah following Jesus (Qoran 4: 159)
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Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars
So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.
Muslims follow five basic pillars that are essential to
their faith. These include:
Shahada: to declare one’s faith in God and belief in
Muhammad
Salat: to pray five times a day (at dawn, noon, afternoon,
sunset, and evening)
Zakat: to give to those in need
Sawm: to fast during Ramadan
Hajj: to make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once during a
person’s lifetime if the person is able. Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair. |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars)
Answer: Yes he will do it. Because he will follow the rules of God that apply at the end of time.
(So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.)
Answer: Prophet Muhammad didn't worship idols but he worshiped Allah who created all humans and everything in the universe.
(Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair.)
Answer: Yes, Jesus will never tell the Apostles because before he was born there were Apostles. This proves that Jesus was a human.
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The islamic pillars are already compleet so what is the issue to complete all the isalmic pillars.
I said Muhammad used the old pagan rituals that he made lawfull for muslims to practise.
Who was the Apostles before Jesus there was no Apostles before Jesus and he was only one who could ordained Apostles not like Muhammad who apointed himself as Allah's false Apostle.
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(The islamic pillars are already compleet so what is the issue to complete all the isalmic pillars.)
Answer: All the rules and commands of Allah have been perfect since the existence of the Qur'an and the last Prophet (Muhammad), and it will apply until the end.
(I said Muhammad used the old pagan rituals that he made lawfull for muslims to practise.)
Answer: The ritual performed by the Prophet Muhammad was also carried out by the Prophets before.
Please consider the following verses !
Psalm 138:2 "I want to bow down to Your holy temple and praise Your name, because of Your love and because of Your faithfulness; for You make Your name and Your promise above all things."
Does that verse mean that the Prophet David worshiped the Kaaba ? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Kaaba.
Ezekiel 44: 4. "Then He carried me through the north gate to the front of the temple; I see, truly, God's house full of God's glory, so I bow down."
Does that verse mean that the prophet Ezekiel worshiped the Temple? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Qibla.
Mark 14:33 "And He took Peter, James and John with him. He was very scared and terrified, Mark 14:34 then he said to them: "My heart is very sad, as if I want to die. Stay here and keep watch." Mark 14:35 "He advanced a little, prostrate down on the ground and prayed that, if possible, that moment then from him."
THESE VERSES PROVE THAT JESUS ALSO DOING SALAH.
Do you also do it like Jesus?
Look carefully at the following verse.
Matthew 15: 8 "This nation glorifies Me (Allah) with its lips, even though its heart is far from Me. Matthew 15: 9 "It is useless to worship Me, while the teachings they teach are human commands."
CAN YOU TAKE THE TRUE MEANING FROM THAT VERSES ?
(Who was the Apostles before Jesus there was no Apostles before Jesus and he was only one who could ordained Apostles not like Muhammad who apointed himself as Allah's false Apostle.)
Answer: The Apostles before Jesus included: Noah, Ibrahim, Moses, and others.
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There was no Kabaa in Ezekiel's time and Dawid's time you changed the words of the bible so it can fits the Quran Not even Abrahaham or Ismail build the Kabaa like some Muslims who changed the history to ligalise islam. Psalm 138:2 "I want to bow down to Your holy temple and praise Your name, because of Your love and because of Your faithfulness; for You make Your name and Your promise above all things."
Does that verse mean that the Prophet David worshiped the Kaaba ? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Kaaba.
Dawid did not worship the Allah of Muhammad.
Ezekiel 44: 4. "Then He carried me through the north gate to the front of the temple; I see, truly, God's house full of God's glory, so I bow down."
Does that verse mean that the prophet Ezekiel worshiped the Temple? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Qibla.( Kabaa) Then the Jews must also be called Muslsims sorry why did Muhammad expelled all the Jews from Arabia cause they did not worship the same God as the muslims did.
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(There was no Kabaa in Ezekiel's time and Dawid's time you changed the words of the bible so it can fits the Quran.)
Answer: The first form of Kabaa was not like now, but all the Prophets knew that the Kabaa had existed since the Prophet Adam.
I didn't change the words of the bible, you'd better ask to the Scribes why they change it.
(Not even Abrahaham or Ismail build the Kabaa like some Muslims who changed the history to ligalise islam.)
Answer: Yes, the Prophet Ibrahim and his son (Ismail) had rebuilt the Kabaa so that it looked like now.
(Dawid did not worship the Allah of Muhammad.)
Answer: So who is his God ? Jesus ? No.., at that time Jesus wasn't born.
(Then the Jews must also be called Muslsims sorry why did Muhammad expelled all the Jews from Arabia cause they did not worship the same God as the muslims did.)
Answer: The word of Muslims are from Arabic which means to surrender to one God and He is not similar to His creatures. So anyone who surrenders to one God and believes that God is not similar to His creatures means Muslims (in Arabic), it does not mean the language is the same as the language of the Prophets before the Prophet Muhammad.
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Okay Adam build the Kabaa for who?
Who are all the prophets who knew about the Kabaa since Adam's time?
If Adam build the Kabaa so why then must Abraham and Ismail build the Kabaa, was Mecca populated by the time of Abraham. If Abraham and Ismail build the Kabaa where did they got bricks and cement from maybe from the local Arabs that time.
The first form of Kabaa was not like now, but all the Prophets knew that the Kabaa had existed since the Prophet Adam.(Adam was not prophet) What was the first form of look a like.
I have asked you why did Muhammad expelled all the jews from Arabia?
Your answer Muslim means surrender.
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(Okay Adam build the Kabaa for who?)
Answer: For all Muslims throughout the world so that when praying is recommended to face the Kaaba it doesn't mean that Muslims worship the Kaaba, but it is a symbol established by Allah for the orientation of the Muslims. Apart from that, it is also a symbol of the unity of the Islamic ummah when praying is facing towards the same point.
(Who are all the prophets who knew about the Kabaa since Adam's time?)
The Prophet Abraham, Ishmael (they rebuilt it), David, Ezekiel, Daniel, and others. I got this information from the Gospel, is it possible that the Gospel you have is not the same with mine ? Why do you believe the Gospel but you don't know it yourself ?
(If Adam build the Kabaa so why then must Abraham and Ismail build the Kabaa, was Mecca populated by the time of Abraham. If Abraham and Ismail build the Kabaa where did they got bricks and cement from maybe from the local Arabs that time.) Answer: The Prophet Adam did not build the Kaaba but Allah made it exist there. So, the previous Kaaba were not as we can see now. If you ask for about brick and cement, why don't you also ask for about wood, cloth etc. Sorry, I'm not a building material trader. I hope every one here knows what the meaning is.
(The first form of Kabaa was not like now, but all the Prophets knew that the Kabaa had existed since the Prophet Adam.) (Adam was not prophet) What was the first form of look a like.)
Answer: Sorry I don't live in the time of the Prophet Adam.
(I have asked you why did Muhammad expelled all the jews from Arabia?) (Your answer Muslim means surrender.)
Answer: I answer 'Muslim' means surrender not for Muhammad expelled all the jews from Arabia, but explaining that whoever the people worship only to one God and He is not as the same as His creatures is Muslim.
Then the reasons why the Prophet Muhammad expelled the Jews from Arabia, including:
1. At that time the Jews violated their agreement with the Prophet Muhammad that they wouldn't interfere and take offensive actions against Muslims.
2. Jews attempted assassination of Prophet Muhammad etc.
If I see from the verses, hadith, history that you posted on this forum, it seems more likely known who you really are.
Well.., then I will ask you which one is right between the two verses in the Gospel below ?
(........,....) "Then Gad came to David, telling him by saying, 'Will you be struck by SEVEN YEARS of famine in your land? or will you flee for three months before your opponents, while they pursue you?
And
(........,....) Then Gad came to David, he said to him, thus saith the Lord: Thou shalt choose. THREE YEARS of starvation or three months you fled before your opponents, while your enemy's sword followed you?
Which one is correct SEVEN YEARS or THREE YEARS ?
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(Okay Adam build the Kabaa for who?)
Answer: For all Muslims throughout the world so that when praying is recommended to face the Kaaba it doesn't mean that Muslims worship the Kaaba, but it is a symbol established by Allah for the orientation of the Muslims. Apart from that, it is also a symbol of the unity of the Islamic ummah when praying is facing towards the same point.
There was no muslims in Adam's time lie no 1 lie no 2 neither Adam or Abrham or Ismail bulid the Kabaa that was to twist the history of Islam to legalise an iligal cult of Muhammad to fit Islam also in the picture as a so called Abrahamic religeon Isreal was not religeon of Abraham but his children.
The pagans build the Kabaa who worshipped the moon god Allah now muslims worship the same god.
In the time of Abraham there was no Mecca so I don't know who invented this lie Abraham build the Kabaa the so called house Allah. The pagans build it and Muhammad take over ownership of the Kabaa and make pagan holy shrine a Muslim holy shrine to ensure all the cashflow cme into his pockets.
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...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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1 John 2:22 So who is
lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s
who. This is what makes an
antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has
any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of
the Father as well.
Qur’an 19:88
Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’
preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a
son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
Qur’an 23:91
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to
them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is
there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his
own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their
falsehoods!
Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife,
nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a
wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell
of Him what is untrue.
This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words
of Allah.
Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is
the Antichrist)
Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is
the Antichrist)
In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son
Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so
what does that tell you your false prophet
Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to
destroy Christ and all His followers. But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad. Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!. Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life. What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy. Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.
Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.
He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent
forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even
with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal
men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look
like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.
Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The
Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man,
not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He
would be a man and he would be alive. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries. |
(1 John 2:22 So who is lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s who. This is what makes an antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of the Father as well.)
Answer: I want to ask you, is Jesus a human child or God's child ?
(Qur’an 19:88 Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!)
Answer: Can you imagine if God has a son ? And He is a father ? Automatically the position of Maria's parents is higher than God, because they are God's parents-in-law. thus God's degree in human eyes will be weak.
(Qur’an 23:91 Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!)
Answer: Yes, if God more than one, They will fight for power. That verse can only be accepted by people who are smart in thinking.
(Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.)
(This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words of Allah.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice because you don't like the Prophet Muhammad as the Messenger of Allah.
(Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is the Antichrist)
(Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is the Antichrist))
Answer: Dajjal will claim that he is God, so people who are religious on this earth will become his enemies.
(In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so what does that tell you your false prophet Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to destroy Christ and all His followers.)
Answer: I want to ask you, who will kill Dajjal ?
(But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad.)
Answer: The acknowledgment that God had three children is derived from beliefs in ancient Babylonian times, namely the worshipers of the sun and consider that God a lot.
(Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!.)
Answer: I can read through the words that you write that your heart is upset. Be careful that the devil will easily tempt the hearts of people who are upset or angry. Whoever the person is, don't be afraid of Muslims (Islamaphobia), but fear to the God of Muslims who are watching us wherever we are.
(Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life.)
Answer: That means you don't admit the messengers of God, whereas they have a grip life.
(What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy.)
Answer: Gabriel is not afraid of anyone except to Allah.
(Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.)
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad did not dare to kill all creatures created by Allah unless there was an order from Allah.
(Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.)
(He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.)
(Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man, not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He would be a man and he would be alive.)
Answer: Whatever the characteristics of Dajjal is not the main problem, but every person who doesn't admit him as God, will be killed. And the first people to be approached and to be killed are Muslims.
(2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.)
Answer: Yes he will claim as God.
(This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries.)
Answer: You are looking for loopholes to drop the teachings of Tawheed. For Muslims, there is no God except Allah. Muslims do not agree with Dajjal's claim, instead Muslims acknowledge that Dajjal is also Allah's creation.
Muslims invite all people in countries because they want to save humans, especially in the hereafter. Even if it is rejected, it will not be a problem for Muslims because they have conveyed Allah's commands.
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You can totally not visualise that the Dajjal was a fabrcation fairy tale of Muhammad as same as the Madhi supposed to be a descendant Muhammad which is also fabricated lie of Muhammad who wanted emulate the real Messiah to moraly impressed his believers
This last is the completely Moslemized version of the saga:
the intermediate stage being defined by the idea that the rule of the Mahdi
will be overthrown by Dajjal, in order that Anti-christ may in turn be
overthrown by Jesus at his second coming. The killing of the False Messiah will traumatize the
Christians and Jews who had followed him, for it will finally reveal to them
that he was not what he had claimed to be. The Prophet of Islam, may the mercy
and blessings of God be upon him, said:
"The son of Mary will soon descend among you and will
judge justly (according to the Law of God [26]): he will break the cross and
kill the pig... " (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The breaking of the cross may be figurative or literal: the
destruction of erected idols in churches and tearing down of crosses from their
steeples, as well as forbidding the use of personal crosses as symbols of
religion; or the destruction of the myth that he was executed by the Romans on
a cross at the instigation of the Jews. Likewise, the killing of the pigs may
be both literal and figurative: literally conducting a campaign to kill all
pigs so the consumption of their meat becomes impossible, allowing them to be
killed, or simply re-imposing the ban God made since time immemorial on
eating their flesh, effectively forcing pig farmers to get rid of their stock
by culling. In effect, two of the mainstays of widespread Christian practice
will be removed, indicating that the religion as taught by modern Christians
would henceforth be defunct, and marking a return to the religion as originally
intended. Muslims must have actually forgot Jesus will come to kill all the camels also they also must be killed.
Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim
Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars. The Prophet of Islam said:
"By him in Whose hand my life is, the son of Mary will
certainly invoke the name of God for Hajj or Umrah or both in the valley of
Rauha (a valley near Medina)." (Saheeh Muslim) This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.
Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and
the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him. And this moment is the
moment God is referring to in the Quranic verse:
"And there is none of the People of the Book who must
believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159) |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars.)
Answer: Yes, that is all the teachings of Tawheed of the Prophets which have been perfected so that it is not only for one tribes but for all humans.
(This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.)
Answer: If we think logically why Christians admit that Jesus was killed and tortured at the cross, while Muslims are defending Jesus that he was not tortured at the cross. So which one respects Jesus, and which one insults Jesus?
(Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him.)
Answer: Yes, because Jesus was a devout and surrender (the meaning of Islam word) only to Allah.
("And there is none of the People of the Book who must believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159))
Answer: That verse explains that the Jesus will come down to earth and will straighten out what the scribes doubted about the murder of the Jesus (Qoran 4: 157), and at that time the scribes will recognize that Jesus is a man who is a messenger of Allah. And they will believe in Allah following Jesus (Qoran 4: 159)
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Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars
So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.
Muslims follow five basic pillars that are essential to
their faith. These include:
Shahada: to declare one’s faith in God and belief in
Muhammad
Salat: to pray five times a day (at dawn, noon, afternoon,
sunset, and evening)
Zakat: to give to those in need
Sawm: to fast during Ramadan
Hajj: to make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once during a
person’s lifetime if the person is able. Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair. |
(Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars)
Answer: Yes he will do it. Because he will follow the rules of God that apply at the end of time.
(So he will then ordained all the pagan rituals and customs that Muhammad copied from pagans as lawfull to practise in order get into Muhammad's paridise with 72 virgins.)
Answer: Prophet Muhammad didn't worship idols but he worshiped Allah who created all humans and everything in the universe.
(Ther must be something seriously wrong: Why did Jesus never told his Apostles about the five pillars of Islam? And left them all in the dark that was so unfair.)
Answer: Yes, Jesus will never tell the Apostles because before he was born there were Apostles. This proves that Jesus was a human.
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The islamic pillars are already compleet so what is the issue to complete all the isalmic pillars.
I said Muhammad used the old pagan rituals that he made lawfull for muslims to practise.
Who was the Apostles before Jesus there was no Apostles before Jesus and he was only one who could ordained Apostles not like Muhammad who apointed himself as Allah's false Apostle.
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(The islamic pillars are already compleet so what is the issue to complete all the isalmic pillars.)
Answer: All the rules and commands of Allah have been perfect since the existence of the Qur'an and the last Prophet (Muhammad), and it will apply until the end.
(I said Muhammad used the old pagan rituals that he made lawfull for muslims to practise.)
Answer: The ritual performed by the Prophet Muhammad was also carried out by the Prophets before.
Please consider the following verses !
Psalm 138:2 "I want to bow down to Your holy temple and praise Your name, because of Your love and because of Your faithfulness; for You make Your name and Your promise above all things."
Does that verse mean that the Prophet David worshiped the Kaaba ? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Kaaba.
Ezekiel 44: 4. "Then He carried me through the north gate to the front of the temple; I see, truly, God's house full of God's glory, so I bow down."
Does that verse mean that the prophet Ezekiel worshiped the Temple? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Qibla.
Mark 14:33 "And He took Peter, James and John with him. He was very scared and terrified, Mark 14:34 then he said to them: "My heart is very sad, as if I want to die. Stay here and keep watch." Mark 14:35 "He advanced a little, prostrate down on the ground and prayed that, if possible, that moment then from him."
THESE VERSES PROVE THAT JESUS ALSO DOING SALAH.
Do you also do it like Jesus?
Look carefully at the following verse.
Matthew 15: 8 "This nation glorifies Me (Allah) with its lips, even though its heart is far from Me. Matthew 15: 9 "It is useless to worship Me, while the teachings they teach are human commands."
CAN YOU TAKE THE TRUE MEANING FROM THAT VERSES ?
(Who was the Apostles before Jesus there was no Apostles before Jesus and he was only one who could ordained Apostles not like Muhammad who apointed himself as Allah's false Apostle.)
Answer: The Apostles before Jesus included: Noah, Ibrahim, Moses, and others.
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There was no Kabaa in Ezekiel's time and Dawid's time you changed the words of the bible so it can fits the Quran Not even Abrahaham or Ismail build the Kabaa like some Muslims who changed the history to ligalise islam. Psalm 138:2 "I want to bow down to Your holy temple and praise Your name, because of Your love and because of Your faithfulness; for You make Your name and Your promise above all things."
Does that verse mean that the Prophet David worshiped the Kaaba ? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Kaaba.
Dawid did not worship the Allah of Muhammad.
Ezekiel 44: 4. "Then He carried me through the north gate to the front of the temple; I see, truly, God's house full of God's glory, so I bow down."
Does that verse mean that the prophet Ezekiel worshiped the Temple? Not! he worshiped Allah, although facing the Qibla.( Kabaa) Then the Jews must also be called Muslsims sorry why did Muhammad expelled all the Jews from Arabia cause they did not worship the same God as the muslims did.
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(There was no Kabaa in Ezekiel's time and Dawid's time you changed the words of the bible so it can fits the Quran.)
Answer: The first form of Kabaa was not like now, but all the Prophets knew that the Kabaa had existed since the Prophet Adam.
I didn't change the words of the bible, you'd better ask to the Scribes why they change it.
(Not even Abrahaham or Ismail build the Kabaa like some Muslims who changed the history to ligalise islam.)
Answer: Yes, the Prophet Ibrahim and his son (Ismail) had rebuilt the Kabaa so that it looked like now.
(Dawid did not worship the Allah of Muhammad.)
Answer: So who is his God ? Jesus ? No.., at that time Jesus wasn't born.
(Then the Jews must also be called Muslsims sorry why did Muhammad expelled all the Jews from Arabia cause they did not worship the same God as the muslims did.)
Answer: The word of Muslims are from Arabic which means to surrender to one God and He is not similar to His creatures. So anyone who surrenders to one God and believes that God is not similar to His creatures means Muslims (in Arabic), it does not mean the language is the same as the language of the Prophets before the Prophet Muhammad.
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Okay Adam build the Kabaa for who?
Who are all the prophets who knew about the Kabaa since Adam's time?
If Adam build the Kabaa so why then must Abraham and Ismail build the Kabaa, was Mecca populated by the time of Abraham. If Abraham and Ismail build the Kabaa where did they got bricks and cement from maybe from the local Arabs that time.
The first form of Kabaa was not like now, but all the Prophets knew that the Kabaa had existed since the Prophet Adam.(Adam was not prophet) What was the first form of look a like.
I have asked you why did Muhammad expelled all the jews from Arabia?
Your answer Muslim means surrender.
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(Okay Adam build the Kabaa for who?)
Answer: For all Muslims throughout the world so that when praying is recommended to face the Kaaba it doesn't mean that Muslims worship the Kaaba, but it is a symbol established by Allah for the orientation of the Muslims. Apart from that, it is also a symbol of the unity of the Islamic ummah when praying is facing towards the same point.
(Who are all the prophets who knew about the Kabaa since Adam's time?)
The Prophet Abraham, Ishmael (they rebuilt it), David, Ezekiel, Daniel, and others. I got this information from the Gospel, is it possible that the Gospel you have is not the same with mine ? Why do you believe the Gospel but you don't know it yourself ?
(If Adam build the Kabaa so why then must Abraham and Ismail build the Kabaa, was Mecca populated by the time of Abraham. If Abraham and Ismail build the Kabaa where did they got bricks and cement from maybe from the local Arabs that time.) Answer: The Prophet Adam did not build the Kaaba but Allah made it exist there. So, the previous Kaaba were not as we can see now. If you ask for about brick and cement, why don't you also ask for about wood, cloth etc. Sorry, I'm not a building material trader. I hope every one here knows what the meaning is.
(The first form of Kabaa was not like now, but all the Prophets knew that the Kabaa had existed since the Prophet Adam.) (Adam was not prophet) What was the first form of look a like.)
Answer: Sorry I don't live in the time of the Prophet Adam.
(I have asked you why did Muhammad expelled all the jews from Arabia?) (Your answer Muslim means surrender.)
Answer: I answer 'Muslim' means surrender not for Muhammad expelled all the jews from Arabia, but explaining that whoever the people worship only to one God and He is not as the same as His creatures is Muslim.
Then the reasons why the Prophet Muhammad expelled the Jews from Arabia, including:
1. At that time the Jews violated their agreement with the Prophet Muhammad that they wouldn't interfere and take offensive actions against Muslims.
2. Jews attempted assassination of Prophet Muhammad etc.
If I see from the verses, hadith, history that you posted on this forum, it seems more likely known who you really are.
Well.., then I will ask you which one is right between the two verses in the Gospel below ?
(........,....) "Then Gad came to David, telling him by saying, 'Will you be struck by SEVEN YEARS of famine in your land? or will you flee for three months before your opponents, while they pursue you?
And
(........,....) Then Gad came to David, he said to him, thus saith the Lord: Thou shalt choose. THREE YEARS of starvation or three months you fled before your opponents, while your enemy's sword followed you?
Which one is correct SEVEN YEARS or THREE YEARS ?
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(Okay Adam build the Kabaa for who?)
Answer: For all Muslims throughout the world so that when praying is recommended to face the Kaaba it doesn't mean that Muslims worship the Kaaba, but it is a symbol established by Allah for the orientation of the Muslims. Apart from that, it is also a symbol of the unity of the Islamic ummah when praying is facing towards the same point.
There was no muslims in Adam's time lie no 1 lie no 2 neither Adam or Abrham or Ismail bulid the Kabaa that was to twist the history of Islam to legalise an iligal cult of Muhammad to fit Islam also in the picture as a so called Abrahamic religeon Isreal was not religeon of Abraham but his children.
The pagans build the Kabaa who worshipped the moon god Allah now muslims worship the same god.
In the time of Abraham there was no Mecca so I don't know who invented this lie Abraham build the Kabaa the so called house Allah. The pagans build it and Muhammad take over ownership of the Kabaa and make pagan holy shrine a Muslim holy shrine to ensure all the cashflow cme into his pockets. |
(There was no muslims in Adam's time)
Answer: I have explained what is the meaning of Muslim ?, Because the Prophet Muhammad is an Arabic, then using Arabic, it's impossible to use Chinese, etc. (make sense)
What about the present Gospel, does it use the language used by Jesus ?
Do you know who is the Prophet Adam's God ? Then to whom did he surrender?
(lie no 1 lie no 2 neither Adam or Abrham or Ismail bulid the Kabaa that was to twist the history of Islam to legalise an iligal cult of Muhammad to fit Islam also in the picture as a so called Abrahamic religeon Isreal was not religeon of Abraham but his children.)
Answer: It's up to your understanding like what it is, but for Muslims that the Kaaba was rebuilt by Prophet Ibrahim and Ismail.
Do you know who the God of Abraham and Ishmael is ? Do you find them in the Gospels that you have?
(The pagans build the Kabaa who worshipped the moon god Allah now muslims worship the same god.)
Answer: No, Muslims do not worship the moon god like pagans, but worship to Allah who created everything in this universe.
(In the time of Abraham there was no Mecca so I don't know who invented this lie Abraham build the Kabaa the so called house Allah.)
Answer: Not only Mecca, even the Capital of my Country has also changed its name.
(The pagans build it and Muhammad take over ownership of the Kabaa and make pagan holy shrine a Muslim holy shrine to ensure all the cashflow cme into his pockets.)
Answer: I have already mentioned the name Baitul Makmur in this forum, and the Kaaba has something related with the Baitul Makmur. So, there is absolutely not the same between the pagans did and what Muslims do.
So what your answer about this ?
(........,....) "Then Gad came to David, telling him by saying, 'Will you be struck by SEVEN YEARS of famine in your land? or will you flee for three months before your opponents, while they pursue you?
And
(........,....) Then Gad came to David, he said to him, thus saith the Lord: Thou shalt choose. THREE YEARS of starvation or three months you fled before your opponents, while your enemy's sword followed you?
Which one is correct SEVEN YEARS or THREE YEARS ?
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 17 February 2020 at 3:53pm
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Asep Why didn't Jibrill correct this error in the Quran?
1 Chronicles 21:12
12 either lthree years of famine, or three months of
devastation by your foes while the sword of your enemies overtakes you, or else
three days of the sword of the Lord, pestilence on the land, with the angel of
the Lord destroying throughout all the territory of Israel.’ Now decide what
answer I shall return to him who sent me.”
2 Samuel 24:13
13 So Gad came to David and told him, and said to him,
“Shall pthree6 years of famine come to you in your land? Or will you flee three
months before your foes while they pursue you? Or shall there be three days’
pestilence in your land? Now consider, and decide what answer I shall return to
him who sent me.”
The important thing to realize is that regardless of which
solution we choose, the result is the same. The accusation of contradiction
evaporates—all without declaring the text in error. In conclusion, these
Scriptures not only are compatible, but also work together to provide
additional details on this particular event. |
Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 21 February 2020 at 10:22pm
Peace maker wrote:
AsepWhy didn't Jibrill correct this error in the Quran?
1 Chronicles 21:12
12 either lthree years of famine, or three months of
devastation by your foes while the sword of your enemies overtakes you, or else
three days of the sword of the Lord, pestilence on the land, with the angel of
the Lord destroying throughout all the territory of Israel.’ Now decide what
answer I shall return to him who sent me.”
2 Samuel 24:13
13 So Gad came to David and told him, and said to him,
“Shall pthree6 years of famine come to you in your land? Or will you flee three
months before your foes while they pursue you? Or shall there be three days’
pestilence in your land? Now consider, and decide what answer I shall return to
him who sent me.”
The important thing to realize is that regardless of which
solution we choose, the result is the same. The accusation of contradiction
evaporates—all without declaring the text in error. In conclusion, these
Scriptures not only are compatible, but also work together to provide
additional details on this particular event. |
(Why didn't Jibrill correct this error in the Quran?)
Gabriel will not change it in the Quran because it's the fault of humans who have dared to change the words of God in the Gospels. Only God will give punishment to them.
(1 Chronicles 21:12
12 either lthree years of famine, or three months of devastation by your foes while the sword of your enemies overtakes you, or else three days of the sword of the Lord, pestilence on the land, with the angel of the Lord destroying throughout all the territory of Israel.’ Now decide what answer I shall return to him who sent me.”)
2 Samuel 24:13
(13 So Gad came to David and told him, and said to him, “Shall pthree6 years of famine come to you in your land? Or will you flee three months before your foes while they pursue you? Or shall there be three days’ pestilence in your land? Now consider, and decide what answer I shall return to him who sent me.”)
(The important thing to realize is that regardless of which solution we choose, the result is the same. The accusation of contradiction evaporates—all without declaring the text in error. In conclusion, these Scriptures not only are compatible, but also work together to provide additional details on this particular event.)
Then what about people who are good at using their minds if there's a holy book which are not the same content one of another ? This shows that a book has been changed by human hands, while the original language of the book (as a reference) has been gone since 325 AD.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 22 February 2020 at 7:10pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
AsepWhy didn't Jibrill correct this error in the Quran?
1 Chronicles 21:12
12 either lthree years of famine, or three months of
devastation by your foes while the sword of your enemies overtakes you, or else
three days of the sword of the Lord, pestilence on the land, with the angel of
the Lord destroying throughout all the territory of Israel.’ Now decide what
answer I shall return to him who sent me.”
2 Samuel 24:13
13 So Gad came to David and told him, and said to him,
“Shall pthree6 years of famine come to you in your land? Or will you flee three
months before your foes while they pursue you? Or shall there be three days’
pestilence in your land? Now consider, and decide what answer I shall return to
him who sent me.”
The important thing to realize is that regardless of which
solution we choose, the result is the same. The accusation of contradiction
evaporates—all without declaring the text in error. In conclusion, these
Scriptures not only are compatible, but also work together to provide
additional details on this particular event. |
(Why didn't Jibrill correct this error in the Quran?)
Gabriel will not change it in the Quran because it's the fault of humans who have dared to change the words of God in the Gospels. Only God will give punishment to them.
(1 Chronicles 21:12
12 either lthree years of famine, or three months of devastation by your foes while the sword of your enemies overtakes you, or else three days of the sword of the Lord, pestilence on the land, with the angel of the Lord destroying throughout all the territory of Israel.’ Now decide what answer I shall return to him who sent me.”)
2 Samuel 24:13
(13 So Gad came to David and told him, and said to him, “Shall pthree6 years of famine come to you in your land? Or will you flee three months before your foes while they pursue you? Or shall there be three days’ pestilence in your land? Now consider, and decide what answer I shall return to him who sent me.”)
(The important thing to realize is that regardless of which solution we choose, the result is the same. The accusation of contradiction evaporates—all without declaring the text in error. In conclusion, these Scriptures not only are compatible, but also work together to provide additional details on this particular event.)
Then what about people who are good at using their minds if there's a holy book which are not the same content one of another ? This shows that a book has been changed by human hands, while the original language of the book (as a reference) has been gone since 325 AD.
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The Quran was a deliberate change of God's word by Muhammad by his full conscious by knowing exactly what he was doing in order to decieve the poor Arabs into his lions nests.
God have said numerous times do not change my word thats exactly what Muhammad did he did not do it accident he was was fully aware what he did, now the muslims accuses the jews and christians changing the wor of God.
Now read this to came to the full wisdom and knowledge. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today
and forever.
James 1:17 Every good
and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly
lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
“I will not violate my covenant or alter the word that went
forth from my lips.” Psalm 89:34
“And now I am about to go the way of all the earth, and you
know in your hearts and souls, all of you, that not one word has failed of all
the good things that the Lord your God promised concerning you. All have come
to pass for you; not one of them has failed.” Joshua 23:14
Dont Change Gods Word
Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of
the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the
plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the
book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in
the holy city, which are described in this book.
Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God proves true; he is a
shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke
you and you be found a liar.
Malachi 3:6“For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O
children of Jacob, are not consumed.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active,
sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of
spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of
the heart.
Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers, the flower fades, but the
word of our God will stand forever.
Deuteronomy 4:2 You shall not add to the word
that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the
Lord your God that I command you.
So the Quran was a total disaster and failure of Muhammad.
Gabriel is always in the precence of God and will no gave a lie to Muhammad so this was also a lie of Muhammad Gabriel never spoke to Muhammad.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 25 February 2020 at 10:56pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
AsepWhy didn't Jibrill correct this error in the Quran?
1 Chronicles 21:12
12 either lthree years of famine, or three months of
devastation by your foes while the sword of your enemies overtakes you, or else
three days of the sword of the Lord, pestilence on the land, with the angel of
the Lord destroying throughout all the territory of Israel.’ Now decide what
answer I shall return to him who sent me.”
2 Samuel 24:13
13 So Gad came to David and told him, and said to him,
“Shall pthree6 years of famine come to you in your land? Or will you flee three
months before your foes while they pursue you? Or shall there be three days’
pestilence in your land? Now consider, and decide what answer I shall return to
him who sent me.”
The important thing to realize is that regardless of which
solution we choose, the result is the same. The accusation of contradiction
evaporates—all without declaring the text in error. In conclusion, these
Scriptures not only are compatible, but also work together to provide
additional details on this particular event. |
(Why didn't Jibrill correct this error in the Quran?)
Gabriel will not change it in the Quran because it's the fault of humans who have dared to change the words of God in the Gospels. Only God will give punishment to them.
(1 Chronicles 21:12
12 either lthree years of famine, or three months of devastation by your foes while the sword of your enemies overtakes you, or else three days of the sword of the Lord, pestilence on the land, with the angel of the Lord destroying throughout all the territory of Israel.’ Now decide what answer I shall return to him who sent me.”)
2 Samuel 24:13
(13 So Gad came to David and told him, and said to him, “Shall pthree6 years of famine come to you in your land? Or will you flee three months before your foes while they pursue you? Or shall there be three days’ pestilence in your land? Now consider, and decide what answer I shall return to him who sent me.”)
(The important thing to realize is that regardless of which solution we choose, the result is the same. The accusation of contradiction evaporates—all without declaring the text in error. In conclusion, these Scriptures not only are compatible, but also work together to provide additional details on this particular event.)
Then what about people who are good at using their minds if there's a holy book which are not the same content one of another ? This shows that a book has been changed by human hands, while the original language of the book (as a reference) has been gone since 325 AD.
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The Quran was a deliberate change of God's word by Muhammad by his full conscious by knowing exactly what he was doing in order to decieve the poor Arabs into his lions nests.
God have said numerous times do not change my word thats exactly what Muhammad did he did not do it accident he was was fully aware what he did, now the muslims accuses the jews and christians changing the wor of God.
Now read this to came to the full wisdom and knowledge. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today
and forever.
James 1:17 Every good
and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly
lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
“I will not violate my covenant or alter the word that went
forth from my lips.” Psalm 89:34
“And now I am about to go the way of all the earth, and you
know in your hearts and souls, all of you, that not one word has failed of all
the good things that the Lord your God promised concerning you. All have come
to pass for you; not one of them has failed.” Joshua 23:14
Dont Change Gods Word
Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of
the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the
plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the
book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in
the holy city, which are described in this book.
Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God proves true; he is a
shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke
you and you be found a liar.
Malachi 3:6“For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O
children of Jacob, are not consumed.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active,
sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of
spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of
the heart.
Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers, the flower fades, but the
word of our God will stand forever.
Deuteronomy 4:2 You shall not add to the word
that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the
Lord your God that I command you.
So the Quran was a total disaster and failure of Muhammad.
Gabriel is always in the precence of God and will no gave a lie to Muhammad so this was also a lie of Muhammad Gabriel never spoke to Muhammad. |
(The Quran was a deliberate change of God's word by Muhammad by his full conscious by knowing exactly what he was doing in order to decieve the poor Arabs into his lions nests.)
Answer: Prophet Muhammad was not a deceiver, instead he invited people not to be fooled by those who changed the books of the previous Apostles.
(God have said numerous times do not change my word thats exactly what Muhammad did he did not do it accident he was was fully aware what he did, now the muslims accuses the jews and christians changing the wor of God.)
Answer: Yes, some people from the experts of the book before the Quran came have changed it. And this is the proof:
(Mark 16:15) "Then he said to them: "Go into all the world, preach the Gospel to all creatures."
Look at the article below.
In The Christian Counselor's New Testament, Mark 16 ends in chapter 16 verse 8. Where are verses 9-20? At the end of the sentence there are footnotes: “These verse are omitted by better MSS. An alternative shoter ending is found in same”. In The Holy Bible New International Version, footnote verse 8 reads: “The two most reliable early manuscripts do not have mark 16:9-20”. “Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)”
So Jesus' command to preach the Gospel to all creatures is a False verse that was deliberately inserted by ignorant hands. And what is true is that Jesus is only for Israel, as Jesus stated emphatically in Matthew 10: 5-6
(Matthew 10:5) "The twelve disciples were sent by Jesus and he told them, "Do not turn aside from the way of other nations or enter the city of the Samaritans," (Matthew 10:6) "but go to the lost sheeps of the people of Israel." (Matthew 15:24) "Jesus answered: "I am sent only to the lost sheeps of the people of Israel."
If you are good at reading to the such verses, it means that there's a human hand that has changed it. So Muslims don't make accusations carelessly except with evidence.
(Now read this to came to the full wisdom and knowledge. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.)
Answer: Yes, it's true that Jesus was a human being forever.
(“I will not violate my covenant or alter the word that went forth from my lips.” Psalm 89:34)
Answer: Yes, Jesus will not break the commands of his Lord.
(Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.)
Answer: This verse is for the scholars of the books before the Quran came, while the Prophet Muhammad has not been born yet.
(Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.)
Answer: Yes, those who changed the words of God in the books before the Quran came were liars.
(Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever.)
Answer: Yes, the truth from Allah will not disappear even though some of them want to eliminate it.
(So the Quran was a total disaster and failure of Muhammad.)
Answer: It's precisely the books before the Qur'an that were a total disaster because founded some differents contents, even the're missing verses.
(Gabriel is always in the precence of God and will no gave a lie to Muhammad so this was also a lie of Muhammad Gabriel never spoke to Muhammad.)
Answer: Gabriel often spoke with the Prophet Muhammad.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 28 February 2020 at 4:06pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
AsepWhy didn't Jibrill correct this error in the Quran?
1 Chronicles 21:12
12 either lthree years of famine, or three months of
devastation by your foes while the sword of your enemies overtakes you, or else
three days of the sword of the Lord, pestilence on the land, with the angel of
the Lord destroying throughout all the territory of Israel.’ Now decide what
answer I shall return to him who sent me.”
2 Samuel 24:13
13 So Gad came to David and told him, and said to him,
“Shall pthree6 years of famine come to you in your land? Or will you flee three
months before your foes while they pursue you? Or shall there be three days’
pestilence in your land? Now consider, and decide what answer I shall return to
him who sent me.”
The important thing to realize is that regardless of which
solution we choose, the result is the same. The accusation of contradiction
evaporates—all without declaring the text in error. In conclusion, these
Scriptures not only are compatible, but also work together to provide
additional details on this particular event. |
(Why didn't Jibrill correct this error in the Quran?)
Gabriel will not change it in the Quran because it's the fault of humans who have dared to change the words of God in the Gospels. Only God will give punishment to them.
(1 Chronicles 21:12
12 either lthree years of famine, or three months of devastation by your foes while the sword of your enemies overtakes you, or else three days of the sword of the Lord, pestilence on the land, with the angel of the Lord destroying throughout all the territory of Israel.’ Now decide what answer I shall return to him who sent me.”)
2 Samuel 24:13
(13 So Gad came to David and told him, and said to him, “Shall pthree6 years of famine come to you in your land? Or will you flee three months before your foes while they pursue you? Or shall there be three days’ pestilence in your land? Now consider, and decide what answer I shall return to him who sent me.”)
(The important thing to realize is that regardless of which solution we choose, the result is the same. The accusation of contradiction evaporates—all without declaring the text in error. In conclusion, these Scriptures not only are compatible, but also work together to provide additional details on this particular event.)
Then what about people who are good at using their minds if there's a holy book which are not the same content one of another ? This shows that a book has been changed by human hands, while the original language of the book (as a reference) has been gone since 325 AD.
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The Quran was a deliberate change of God's word by Muhammad by his full conscious by knowing exactly what he was doing in order to decieve the poor Arabs into his lions nests.
God have said numerous times do not change my word thats exactly what Muhammad did he did not do it accident he was was fully aware what he did, now the muslims accuses the jews and christians changing the wor of God.
Now read this to came to the full wisdom and knowledge. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today
and forever.
James 1:17 Every good
and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly
lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
“I will not violate my covenant or alter the word that went
forth from my lips.” Psalm 89:34
“And now I am about to go the way of all the earth, and you
know in your hearts and souls, all of you, that not one word has failed of all
the good things that the Lord your God promised concerning you. All have come
to pass for you; not one of them has failed.” Joshua 23:14
Dont Change Gods Word
Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of
the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the
plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the
book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in
the holy city, which are described in this book.
Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God proves true; he is a
shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke
you and you be found a liar.
Malachi 3:6“For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O
children of Jacob, are not consumed.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active,
sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of
spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of
the heart.
Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers, the flower fades, but the
word of our God will stand forever.
Deuteronomy 4:2 You shall not add to the word
that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the
Lord your God that I command you.
So the Quran was a total disaster and failure of Muhammad.
Gabriel is always in the precence of God and will no gave a lie to Muhammad so this was also a lie of Muhammad Gabriel never spoke to Muhammad. |
(The Quran was a deliberate change of God's word by Muhammad by his full conscious by knowing exactly what he was doing in order to decieve the poor Arabs into his lions nests.)
Answer: Prophet Muhammad was not a deceiver, instead he invited people not to be fooled by those who changed the books of the previous Apostles.
(God have said numerous times do not change my word thats exactly what Muhammad did he did not do it accident he was was fully aware what he did, now the muslims accuses the jews and christians changing the wor of God.)
Answer: Yes, some people from the experts of the book before the Quran came have changed it. And this is the proof:
(Mark 16:15) "Then he said to them: "Go into all the world, preach the Gospel to all creatures."
Look at the article below.
In The Christian Counselor's New Testament, Mark 16 ends in chapter 16 verse 8. Where are verses 9-20? At the end of the sentence there are footnotes: “These verse are omitted by better MSS. An alternative shoter ending is found in same”. In The Holy Bible New International Version, footnote verse 8 reads: “The two most reliable early manuscripts do not have mark 16:9-20”. “Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)”
So Jesus' command to preach the Gospel to all creatures is a False verse that was deliberately inserted by ignorant hands. And what is true is that Jesus is only for Israel, as Jesus stated emphatically in Matthew 10: 5-6
(Matthew 10:5) "The twelve disciples were sent by Jesus and he told them, "Do not turn aside from the way of other nations or enter the city of the Samaritans," (Matthew 10:6) "but go to the lost sheeps of the people of Israel." (Matthew 15:24) "Jesus answered: "I am sent only to the lost sheeps of the people of Israel."
If you are good at reading to the such verses, it means that there's a human hand that has changed it. So Muslims don't make accusations carelessly except with evidence.
(Now read this to came to the full wisdom and knowledge. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.)
Answer: Yes, it's true that Jesus was a human being forever.
(“I will not violate my covenant or alter the word that went forth from my lips.” Psalm 89:34)
Answer: Yes, Jesus will not break the commands of his Lord.
(Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.)
Answer: This verse is for the scholars of the books before the Quran came, while the Prophet Muhammad has not been born yet.
(Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.)
Answer: Yes, those who changed the words of God in the books before the Quran came were liars.
(Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever.)
Answer: Yes, the truth from Allah will not disappear even though some of them want to eliminate it.
(So the Quran was a total disaster and failure of Muhammad.)
Answer: It's precisely the books before the Qur'an that were a total disaster because founded some differents contents, even the're missing verses.
(Gabriel is always in the precence of God and will no gave a lie to Muhammad so this was also a lie of Muhammad Gabriel never spoke to Muhammad.)
Answer: Gabriel often spoke with the Prophet Muhammad.
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Mater of fact Jesus said I AM the not Muhammad or someone else so all your hard work you can throw away its useless. 2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to
be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the
Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the
heart.
Gabriel never spoke to Muhammad thats a made up lie look at his first so called revelation he never said it was Gabriel his wife and Waraga put the words in his mouth. After Waraqa died his revelation. also disapeared so he recieved his so called revelations from Waraqa.
Interestingly, the Quran records this charge of borrowing
leveled against Muhammad by his contemporaries:
Quran 25:5
And they say:
"Tales of the ancients, which he has caused to be written: and they
are dictated before him morning and evening."
Quran 16:103-104
"We know indeed that they say "It is a man that
teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notable foreign
while this is Arabic pure and clear.
Those who believe not in the Signs of Allah, Allah will not guide them
and theirs will be a grievous Penalty." (Yusef Ali's translation) [1]
Muhammad borrowing from the
Jewish Mishnah concerning Cain and Abel, and Abraham. The Quran's story is found in Sura
5:27-32. Initially, the O.T. and Quran
basically agree on the narrative. In
verse 31, the two diverge. "That
is why we laid it down for the Israelites that whoever killed a human being,
except as punishment for murder or other villainy in the land, shall be deemed
as though he had killed all mankind; and that whoever saved a human life shall
be deemed as though he had saved all mankind.". Initially, there appears to be no
connection between verses 31 and 32.
Why the life or death of one should be as the salvation or destruction
of all mankind in not made clear in the Quran.
When we turn to another Jewish record - the
Mishnah Sanhedrin, we find the link between the story and what
follows: It said in the case of
Cain who murdered his brother, 'The voice of thy brother's bloods crieth' (Gen.
4:10). It is not said here blood in the
singular, but bloods in the plural, that is, his own blood and the blood of his
seed. Man was created single in order
to show that to him who kills a single individual it shall be reckoned that he
has slain the whole race, but to him who preserves the life of a single
individual it is counted that he hath preserved the whole race." Mishnah Sanhedrin, 4:5 Here in the Quran is a passage from
the Mishnah! The Mishnah is a Jewish
commentary on the Torah. How did a Rabbi's
commentary on the Torah make its way into the Quran? Simple, Muhammad had heard
these teachings from the Jews, and repeated them later as he recited "revelation. Because the word for blood is in the
plural in Gen. 4:10, an ingenious Rabbi invented the supposition that all
Abel's offspring had been killed with him which signified that any murder or
life-saving act had universal implications.
Clearly Muhammad had no knowledge of the source of the theory set out in
the Mishnah but, in hearing it related, simply set out the Rabbi's suppositions
as the eternal decree of God! Now
today, some Jewish Rabbi's thoughts are quoted as revelation in the Quran! This short piece clearly shows, in
one way at least, how Muhammad received "revelations". In this case, verbal stories told by the
Jews, and Muhammad's memory served him.
Here the Quran fails the test of authenticity; it owes much of its
substance to other faiths. For some reason
Muhammad decided to quote a Jewish story, feeling it has some important
meaning, and placed into the Quran.
Little did Muhammad know or really understand from what he was really
quoting. Like Maryam was the sister of Aaron and her father Imran, see how Muhammad changed the scriptures Jesus was actually born in the time of Moses.
From the Quran - Sura 19 - "Mary", verses 28 - 33 Carrying the child, she came to her
people, who said to her: 'Mary, this is
indeed a strange thing! Sister of Aaron,
your father was never a whore-monger, nor was your mother a harlot.' She made a sign to them, pointing to the
child. But they replied: 'How can we speak with a babe in the cradle?'
Whereupon he spoke
and said: 'I am the servant of God. He has given me the Book and ordained me a
prophet. His blessing is upon me
wherever I go, and He has exhorted me to be steadfast in prayer and to give
alms as long as I shall live. He has
exhorted me to honor my mother and has purged me of vanity and wickedness. Blessed was I on the day I was born, and
blessed I shall be on the day of my death and on the day I shall be raised to
life.' It goes on and on all the borrowing from the jews christians and pagan stories.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 29 February 2020 at 5:19pm
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Prophet Muhammad invited humanity to worship to one God (Tawheed), as was the teachings of Tawheed of the Prophets / Apostles before.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 07 March 2020 at 4:36am
asep garutea wrote:
Prophet Muhammad invited humanity to worship to one God (Tawheed), as was the teachings of Tawheed of the Prophets / Apostles before.
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So its nothing new we alla know there can only be one God and he have spoken to Moses God did need to repeat himself and say again remember I am one and 600 years after Muhammad come and tell the Arabs a total diferent verson and say its God's word and create a alternative Allah with his three daughters and say this is the same God as the jews and teach the Tawheed which was not something new.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 8:55am
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Whoever worships to the Lord of all Prophets is Tauhid Religion, including the Lord worshiped by Jesus.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 16 March 2020 at 6:47pm
asep garutea wrote:
Whoever worships to the Lord of all Prophets is Tauhid Religion, including the Lord worshiped by Jesus.
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But,But,But,But Muhammad never was a prophet or a apostle he made himself a prophet.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 16 March 2020 at 9:47pm
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Can you prove that he is not a Prophet?
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 19 March 2020 at 5:11pm
asep garutea wrote:
Can you prove that he is not a Prophet?
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Who was the first muslim
quran 6:14 says mohammad
Quran 7:143 says it was Moses
Quran also says Adam was muslim.
Quran 2:29 earth was created first, then heaven
Quran 79:27-30 heaven was created first then earth
quran 7:54 - took 6 days to create universe
Quran 41:9-12 - took 8 days to create universe
What is man created from
Quran 19:67 - nothing
Quran 96:2 - blood clot
Quran 21:30 - water
Quran 16:4 - small seed
Quran 15:26 - Clay and mud
Thank you very much Surah 3 59. The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was. 60. The Truth [comes] from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt. 61. If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after [full] knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!" Okay now who was the liar Muhammad or Allah?
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 24 March 2020 at 10:45am
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(Who was the first muslim
quran 6:14 says mohammad quran 7:143 says it was Moses)
Answer: Both of these verses describe the first Muslim in each era.
(Quran also says Adam was muslim.)
Answer: That's right, because he is including those who surrender only to Allah. (I have explained about the meaning of the word "Islam")
(Quran 2:29 earth was created first, then heaven Quran 79:27-30 heaven was created first then earth)
Answer: That's right, please look at the Quran 2:29, there is a sentence: هُوَ الَّذِيْ خَلَقَ لَـكُمْ "He (Allah) created everything that is on earth for you" Not just creating earth.
And there's sentence: ثُمَّ اسْتَوٰۤى اِلَى السَّمَآءِ فَسَوّٰٮهُنَّ سَبْعَ سَمٰوٰتٍ "He further went to sky, then perfected it into seven skys."
This explains that previously there was a sky that was still in the form of smoke, then Allah perfected it into seven skys.
(quran 7:54 - took 6 days to create universe Quran 41:9-12 - took 8 days to create universe)
Answer: In both verses (7:54 and 41:11) there are words. ثُمَّ which means "together with" And if you examine these verses carefully, there will be explanation about the two creations: earth and sky. The earth (not including all of its contents) was created in 2 periods and mountains and all accessories on earth were created in 4 periods. Thus the earth and the mountains were created in 6 periods in Quran 41: 9,10. Whereas verses 11 and 12 say, "together with", the skys were created in 2 periods. The word "tsumma" used at the beginning of verse 11 of Surah Fussilat is to mean "together with".
This indicates that the earth was created together with mountains and other equipment in 6 periods, together with the creation of the earth and everything in the sky was created in 2 periods simultaneously. Therefore the total is not 8 periods but 6 periods. Thus, Quran 7:54 and Quran 41:11 are not contradictory but statements in Quran 41: 9-12 give more details.
(What is man created from
Quran 19:67 - nothing)
Answer: That means the nature of spirit before wrapped by the body.
(Quran 96:2 - blood clot Quran 21:30 - water Quran 16:4 - small seed Quran 15:26 - Clay and mud)
Answer: All that is mentioned in these verses are elements in human formation, which is informed by Allah in each verse.
(Surah 3 59. The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.)
Answer: Yes, that's right. Adam was the first human being created (unlike other humans). Likewise Jesus, he was created become a man without a father. It indicates that Allah is all-Powerful.
(60. The Truth [comes] from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.)
Answer: Yes, that's right. Therefore, please do not doubt to His words.
(61. If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after [full] knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!")
Answer: The verse explains that which is true between the Prophet Muhammad or them ?, so hope that Allah decreases the punishment to the wrong, but they don't dare.
(Okay now who was the liar Muhammad or Allah?)
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad and Allah did not lie, but the ones who lied were those who changed the book before the Qur'an so that many people were misled.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 28 March 2020 at 6:38pm
asep garutea wrote:
(Who was the first muslim
quran 6:14 says mohammad quran 7:143 says it was Moses)
Answer: Both of these verses describe the first Muslim in each era.
(Quran also says Adam was muslim.)
Answer: That's right, because he is including those who surrender only to Allah. (I have explained about the meaning of the word "Islam")
(Quran 2:29 earth was created first, then heaven Quran 79:27-30 heaven was created first then earth)
Answer: That's right, please look at the Quran 2:29, there is a sentence: هُوَ الَّذِيْ خَلَقَ لَـكُمْ "He (Allah) created everything that is on earth for you" Not just creating earth.
And there's sentence: ثُمَّ اسْتَوٰۤى اِلَى السَّمَآءِ فَسَوّٰٮهُنَّ سَبْعَ سَمٰوٰتٍ "He further went to sky, then perfected it into seven skys."
This explains that previously there was a sky that was still in the form of smoke, then Allah perfected it into seven skys.
(quran 7:54 - took 6 days to create universe Quran 41:9-12 - took 8 days to create universe)
Answer: In both verses (7:54 and 41:11) there are words. ثُمَّ which means "together with" And if you examine these verses carefully, there will be explanation about the two creations: earth and sky. The earth (not including all of its contents) was created in 2 periods and mountains and all accessories on earth were created in 4 periods. Thus the earth and the mountains were created in 6 periods in Quran 41: 9,10. Whereas verses 11 and 12 say, "together with", the skys were created in 2 periods. The word "tsumma" used at the beginning of verse 11 of Surah Fussilat is to mean "together with".
This indicates that the earth was created together with mountains and other equipment in 6 periods, together with the creation of the earth and everything in the sky was created in 2 periods simultaneously. Therefore the total is not 8 periods but 6 periods. Thus, Quran 7:54 and Quran 41:11 are not contradictory but statements in Quran 41: 9-12 give more details.
(What is man created from
Quran 19:67 - nothing)
Answer: That means the nature of spirit before wrapped by the body.
(Quran 96:2 - blood clot Quran 21:30 - water Quran 16:4 - small seed Quran 15:26 - Clay and mud)
Answer: All that is mentioned in these verses are elements in human formation, which is informed by Allah in each verse.
(Surah 3 59. The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.)
Answer: Yes, that's right. Adam was the first human being created (unlike other humans). Likewise Jesus, he was created become a man without a father. It indicates that Allah is all-Powerful.
(60. The Truth [comes] from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.)
Answer: Yes, that's right. Therefore, please do not doubt to His words.
(61. If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after [full] knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!")
Answer: The verse explains that which is true between the Prophet Muhammad or them ?, so hope that Allah decreases the punishment to the wrong, but they don't dare.
(Okay now who was the liar Muhammad or Allah?)
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad and Allah did not lie, but the ones who lied were those who changed the book before the Qur'an so that many people were misled.
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This was a open and clear cotradiction Muhmamad forgot wht he talked about ther could only be one six or eight days see how corrupted Muhammad's words was.
(quran 7:54 - took 6 days to create universe Quran 41:9-12 - took 8 days to create universe)
There no such thing as era for muslims the idea of muslim came out with Muhammad and all his followers must submit to him he was the muslim Allah cause he was in control.
Muhammad lied for Allah.
Qur'an 21:33.
The sun orbits the earth the earth is stationary what a blunder the moon also was once upon time in Muhammad's time a sun blunders and blunders of lies.
And He is the One Who created the day and the night, the sun and the moon—each travelling in an orbit.
Sahih Muslim 1:297
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Dharr that the
Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) one day said: Do you know where the
Sun goes? They replied: Allah and His Apostle know best. He (the Holy Prophet)
observed: Verily it (the Sun) glides till it reaches its resting place under
the Throne. Then it falls prostrate and remains there until it is asked: Rise
up and go to the place whence you came, and it goes back and continues emerging
out from its rising place and then glides till it reaches its place of rest
under the Throne and falls prostrate and remains in that state until it is
asked: Rise up and return to the place whence you came, and it returns and
emerges out from it rising place and the it glides (in such a normal way) that
the people do not discern anything (unusual in it) till it reaches its resting
place under the Throne. Then it would be said to it: Rise up and emerge out
from the place of your setting, and it will rise from the place of its setting.
The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said. Do you know when it would
happen? It would happen at the time when faith will not benefit one who has not
previously believed or has derived no good from the faith. First Allah said the sun sets in a murky pool then Allah said it set under his throne errors of Allah and lies.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 30 March 2020 at 6:37pm
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Answer: If I may guess that you are an apostate Muslim cleric, because it can be seen from the verses and hadiths that you convey. You look like the one in my Country. Unfortunately people like you are only struggling on issues that have to do with history etc. As for about related who God really is, you avoid it a little. Though it will be very dangerous if we die not knowing who the real God is.
But for me it doesn't matter because it is only Allah who can give guidance even the Prophets cannot.
وَمَا عَلَيْنَاۤ اِلَّا الْبَلٰغُ الْمُبِيْنُ "And our obligation is only to convey (the command of Allah) clearly." (Quran 36: 17)
خَتَمَ اللّٰهُ عَلٰى قُلُوْبِهِمْ وَعَلٰى سَمْعِهِمْ ۗ وَعَلٰىۤ اَبْصَارِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ وَّلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيْمٌ "Allah has locked their hearts and hearing, their eyesight has been closed, and they will get a severe punishment" (Quran 2: 7)
"And given the power to him will do the punishment, therefore Jesus is a human child." (John 5:27)
This means that Jesus is a human child, not son of God.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 31 March 2020 at 12:15am
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Additional:
You said: (What is man created from Quran 96:2 - blood clot Quran 21:30 - water Quran 16:4 - small seed Quran 15:26 - Clay and mud)
Answer: All that is mentioned in these verses are elements in human formation, which is informed by Allah in each verse. So all these verses are interrelated with one another, there's no contradict as a whole.
Now, it's my turn to ask you.
How many verses are there in Mark 16: ? Sorry, please don't answer incorrectly because many people have been seeing in this forum. |
Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 06 April 2020 at 7:05pm
asep garutea wrote:
Answer: If I may guess that you are an apostate Muslim cleric, because it can be seen from the verses and hadiths that you convey. You look like the one in my Country. Unfortunately people like you are only struggling on issues that have to do with history etc. As for about related who God really is, you avoid it a little. Though it will be very dangerous if we die not knowing who the real God is.
But for me it doesn't matter because it is only Allah who can give guidance even the Prophets cannot.
وَمَا عَلَيْنَاۤ اِلَّا الْبَلٰغُ الْمُبِيْنُ "And our obligation is only to convey (the command of Allah) clearly." (Quran 36: 17)
خَتَمَ اللّٰهُ عَلٰى قُلُوْبِهِمْ وَعَلٰى سَمْعِهِمْ ۗ وَعَلٰىۤ اَبْصَارِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ وَّلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيْمٌ "Allah has locked their hearts and hearing, their eyesight has been closed, and they will get a severe punishment" (Quran 2: 7)
"And given the power to him will do the punishment, therefore Jesus is a human child." (John 5:27)
This means that Jesus is a human child, not son of God.
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"Allah has locked their hearts and hearing, their eyesight has been closed, and they will get a severe punishment" (Quran 2: 7) What sort of a guidance is this? Locked their hearts. Locked their hearing. Locked their eyesight. Allah take all this privilleges away from mankind and then he punish them. How can Allah take all this away and still think mankind must guide themself to back Allah hear no see no evil do no evil so Allah deliberately let them go astray and then he punish them a very fair God to let them on the sos called straight path.
Oh you are so clever you must surely be Mufti. This is a prophecy of Daniel
(John 5:27)"And given the power to him will do the punishment, therefore Jesus is a human child."
Daniel 7:9-10 introduces and describes the Ancient of Days
as He appears in Daniel's vision:
“I kept looking until thrones were set up, and the Ancient
of Days took His seat; His vesture was like white snow and the hair of His head
like pure wool. His throne was ablaze with flames, its wheels were a burning
fire. A river of fire was flowing and coming out from before Him; Thousands
upon thousands were attending Him, and myriads upon myriads were standing
before Him; The court sat, and the books were opened," (Daniel 7:9-10)
A few verses later
the passage goes on to explain:
"I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, with
the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, and He came up to the
Ancient of Days and was presented before Him. and to Him was given dominion,
glory and a kingdom, that all the peoples, nations and men of every language
might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which will not pass
away; And His kingdom is one which will not be destroyed," (Daniel
7:13-14) And His kingdom is one which will not be destroyed And His kingdom is one which will not be destroyed And His kingdom is one which will not be destroyed And His kingdom is one which will not be destroyed
Thats what your Prophet had in mind to do destroy the kingdom of God but he lost.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 10:19pm
("Allah has locked their hearts and hearing, their eyesight has been closed, and they will get a severe punishment" (Quran 2: 7) What sort of a guidance is this?)
Answer: The verse explains that there will be some people who are like that, because Allah created heaven and hell there must be residents. Some of the followers of previous Prophets were devout and some were disobedient. And those who have denied had the punishment in the world, not yet in the hereafter.
(Thats what your Prophet had in mind to do destroy the kingdom of God but he lost)
Answer: Prophet Muhammad was sent to strengthen the kingdom of Allah, not to destroy it. Instead you are classified as someone who will destroy it.
Matthew 15:9 "It is useless to worship Me (Allah), while the teachings they teach are human commands.”
Quran 61: 8 يُرِيْدُوْنَ لِيُطْفِـئُـوْا نُوْرَ اللّٰهِ بِاَ فْوَاهِهِمْ وَاللّٰهُ مُتِمُّ نُوْرِهٖ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْكٰفِرُوْنَ "They want to extinguish the light (religion) of Allah with their mouths (sayings), but Allah still perfects His light even though unbelievers hate it."
The Kingdom of Allah will not destroy forever.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 1:01pm
asep garutea wrote:
("Allah has locked their hearts and hearing, their eyesight has been closed, and they will get a severe punishment" (Quran 2: 7) What sort of a guidance is this?)
Answer: The verse explains that there will be some people who are like that, because Allah created heaven and hell there must be residents. Some of the followers of previous Prophets were devout and some were disobedient. And those who have denied had the punishment in the world, not yet in the hereafter.
(Thats what your Prophet had in mind to do destroy the kingdom of God but he lost)
Answer: Prophet Muhammad was sent to strengthen the kingdom of Allah, not to destroy it. Instead you are classified as someone who will destroy it.
Matthew 15:9 "It is useless to worship Me (Allah), while the teachings they teach are human commands.”
Quran 61: 8 يُرِيْدُوْنَ لِيُطْفِـئُـوْا نُوْرَ اللّٰهِ بِاَ فْوَاهِهِمْ وَاللّٰهُ مُتِمُّ نُوْرِهٖ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْكٰفِرُوْنَ "They want to extinguish the light (religion) of Allah with their mouths (sayings), but Allah still perfects His light even though unbelievers hate it."
The Kingdom of Allah will not destroy forever.
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That was a prophecy of Jesus.
Now where is Allah's kingdom?
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 02 June 2020 at 9:32am
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Here are the answers.
Allah Ta'ala Said: تَبٰرَكَ الَّذِيْ بِيَدِهِ الْمُلْكُ ۖ وَهُوَ عَلٰى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيْرُ "Exalted is He who holds all control in His hands; who has power over all things;" (Quran 67: 1)
Allah Ta'ala Said: وَلِلّٰهِ مَا فِى السَّمٰوٰتِ وَمَا فِى الْاَرْضِ ۗ وَكَفٰى بِاللّٰهِ وَكِيْلًا وَلِلَّهِ مَا فِی ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَمَا فِی ٱلۡ�£َرۡضِۚ وَكَفَىٰ بِٱللَّهِ وَكِیلًا "Yes, indeed, everything in the heavens and the earth belongs to Allah, and He is enough for those who trust in Him." (Quran 4: 132)
Allah Ta'ala Said: لَـقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِيْنَ قَالُوْۤا اِنَّ اللّٰهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيْحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ ۗ قُلْ فَمَنْ يَّمْلِكُ مِنَ اللّٰهِ شَيْئًـــا اِنْ اَرَادَ اَنْ يُّهْلِكَ الْمَسِيْحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَاُمَّهٗ وَمَنْ فِى الْاَرْضِ جَمِيْعًا ۗ وَلِلّٰهِ مُلْكُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْاَرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا ۗ يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَآءُ ۗ وَاللّٰهُ عَلٰى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيْرٌ "Those who say, ‘God is the Messiah, the son of Mary,’ are defying the truth. Say, ‘If it had been God’s will, could anyone have prevented Him from destroying the Messiah, son of Mary, together with his mother and everyone else on earth? Control of the heavens and earth and all that is between them belongs to Allah: He creates whatever He will. Allah has power over everything.’ (Quran 5: 17)
All three verses show that it is Allah who has the Kingdom both everything in heaven and on earth, including Who monitor your behavior.
And the other verses.
Now my question that you have not answered.
How many verses are there in Mark 16: ? Why are you so scared to answer it? Are you afraid to be seen by many people in this forum ?
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 04 June 2020 at 7:33pm
asep garutea wrote:
Here are the answers.
Allah Ta'ala Said: تَبٰرَكَ الَّذِيْ بِيَدِهِ الْمُلْكُ ۖ وَهُوَ عَلٰى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيْرُ "Exalted is He who holds all control in His hands; who has power over all things;" (Quran 67: 1)
Allah Ta'ala Said: وَلِلّٰهِ مَا فِى السَّمٰوٰتِ وَمَا فِى الْاَرْضِ ۗ وَكَفٰى بِاللّٰهِ وَكِيْلًا وَلِلَّهِ مَا فِی ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَمَا فِی ٱلۡ�£َرۡضِۚ وَكَفَىٰ بِٱللَّهِ وَكِیلًا "Yes, indeed, everything in the heavens and the earth belongs to Allah, and He is enough for those who trust in Him." (Quran 4: 132)
Allah Ta'ala Said: لَـقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِيْنَ قَالُوْۤا اِنَّ اللّٰهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيْحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ ۗ قُلْ فَمَنْ يَّمْلِكُ مِنَ اللّٰهِ شَيْئًـــا اِنْ اَرَادَ اَنْ يُّهْلِكَ الْمَسِيْحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَاُمَّهٗ وَمَنْ فِى الْاَرْضِ جَمِيْعًا ۗ وَلِلّٰهِ مُلْكُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْاَرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا ۗ يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَآءُ ۗ وَاللّٰهُ عَلٰى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيْرٌ "Those who say, ‘God is the Messiah, the son of Mary,’ are defying the truth. Say, ‘If it had been God’s will, could anyone have prevented Him from destroying the Messiah, son of Mary, together with his mother and everyone else on earth? Control of the heavens and earth and all that is between them belongs to Allah: He creates whatever He will. Allah has power over everything.’ (Quran 5: 17)
All three verses show that it is Allah who has the Kingdom both everything in heaven and on earth, including Who monitor your behavior.
And the other verses.
Now my question that you have not answered.
How many verses are there in Mark 16: ? Why are you so scared to answer it? Are you afraid to be seen by many people in this forum ?
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Why are so worried about Mark 16 verses I am not shy. this was not part of this topic now tell me the prophecy about Jesus kingdom in Daniel was Allah's king. Do want know how many verses there are 9 and there are 20 so whats the issue this wont correct that Quran was not from God but only Muhammad's so called faked revelations his own sayings
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 22 June 2020 at 11:46pm
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Please tell me that the Quran is a false revelation, which one? But I can prove that the book you have is fake, I will prove it with the Gospel itself and some statements from people like you. If you agree, I will immediately take it to the forum so everyone can find out. One of the easiest examples is your difficulty in answering the number of verses in Mark 16. Psychologically, it shows doubt.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 06 July 2020 at 3:36pm
asep garutea wrote:
Please tell me that the Quran is a false revelation, which one? But I can prove that the book you have is fake, I will prove it with the Gospel itself and some statements from people like you. If you agree, I will immediately take it to the forum so everyone can find out. One of the easiest examples is your difficulty in answering the number of verses in Mark 16. Psychologically, it shows doubt.
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I have tried to answer you many times about Mark 16 but everytime checked it was not published. 20 verses.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 06 July 2020 at 3:44pm
asep garutea wrote:
Please tell me that the Quran is a false revelation, which one? But I can prove that the book you have is fake, I will prove it with the Gospel itself and some statements from people like you. If you agree, I will immediately take it to the forum so everyone can find out. One of the easiest examples is your difficulty in answering the number of verses in Mark 16. Psychologically, it shows doubt.
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Not one of 20 versions of the Quran is true,
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The Readers and their Transmitted Versions
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The Reader
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The Transmitter
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"The Seven" readers
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Nafi`
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Warsh
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Qalun
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Ibn Kathir
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al-Bazzi
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Qunbul
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Abu `Amr al-'Ala'
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Al-Duri
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al-Suri
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Ibn `Amir
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Hisham
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Ibn
Dhakwan
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Hamzah
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Khalaf
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Khallad
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al-Qisa'i
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al-Duri
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Abu'l-Harith
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Abu Bakr `Asim
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Hafs
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Ibn
`Ayyash
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"The Three" readers
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Abu Ja`far
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Ibn
Wardan
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Ibn
Jamaz
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Ya`qub al-Hashimi
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Ruways
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Rawh
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Khalaf al-Bazzar
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Ishaq
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Idris
al-Haddad
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There
are even more Readers than these but these are considered the most
authoritative.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 20 July 2020 at 3:28am
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Can you prove the verses in the Quran that you think are different? so that I can prove which is true. There is someone who deliberately made a fake Quran but finally the fake Quran cannot defeat the original Quran. I can prove someone who had made a fake Quran if needed.
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Posted By: Alexan
Date Posted: 20 July 2020 at 9:50am
Quranic recitations are a well known fact that has always been accepted
by Muslims since the first generation. Through out the centuries,
Muslims have always been reciting the Quran in the variant recitations
(Qiraat). Books have been written and lectures have been made about
them.
However, many Muslims have lost touch with this
important Islamic field and have begun to assume that there is only one
recitation. Orientalists and enemies of Islam have used this to their
advantage to sptrike doubt into the hearts of Muslims in regards to the
preservation of the Quran.
These recitation are actually not mistakes,
complement one another, add greatly to the eloquence of the Quran, and
are therefore, a miracle from Allah the Almighty.
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