Soldiers beating Iraqi kids.
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Topic: Soldiers beating Iraqi kids.
Posted By: ak_m_f
Subject: Soldiers beating Iraqi kids.
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 3:58am
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Salam,
I found this video of Soldiers beating kids in Iraq. Dont know if they were british or Americans, Its reported the one kid died. From their uniform I can tell they are brits You can hear one of the kids crying and begging for his life. one tied up kid on the right at the end of the video look's like he has a pool of blood under his head. What's wrong with these soldiers ? I say send them home, we don't need that kind of help over there. I think Cameraman had serious mental problem http://dl2.dumpalink.com/media/NCUcN2hfhwMG/jJSAJDv5vxvM.wmv - Click here to download |
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Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 8:50am
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I wonder how many other abuses go unreported or unrecorded
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Posted By: ops154
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 9:23am
| What were the kids doing before this happened? not trying to justify it, it just seems like we only get one side of the story from the video. |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 9:34am
yea the kids were protesting, they threw rocks at the soldiers. The only one sided story that people get is from watching FOX |
ops154 wrote:Posted By: ops154
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 9:38am
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Oh I'm sorry I didn't see in the video where it showed them interviewing everyone and finding out what happen. My bad, I'm glad you are so informed though. I bet they don't throw rocks anymore though.
Edit: After watching the video again I have to say that once they stopped resisting the soldiers I didn't see them get hit, only when they resisted did they get beat on. Is that right? maybe not but resisting arest in the US can get you something just as bad or worse. I will give it to you though that he camera man needs to be relieved of duty. |
Posted By: christian
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 9:54am
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indeed |
Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 10:01am
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Since that news is rarely reported here I am not sure how 'one sided' it would be.. There is a news restriction here. The US governent does not want people here to see this stuff.. they (Bush admin) believe the reason the US lost in Vietnam was the media. ------------- When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 10:07am
They were making WMD's behind the tree, US forces also caugh one red handed trying to hide nukes in coconut trees. They are freakin kids damn it, why can u understand that ? |
Posted By: ops154
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 10:11am
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Well what i'm trying to say is that the video is only a couple minutes long and we have no clue from that video what happened before the filming started. On another note, it's always easier to sit in the safety of your computer chair judging others than it is to actually be there for months and months with people shooting at you and throwing rocks at ya. Once again I'm not trying to stick up for these guys because i don't know what happened. Just would like to make everyone understand that the video doesn't give the entire story. Judge away though as the guy who posted it out here already has. |
Posted By: ops154
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 10:14am
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A kid can pull the trigger just as easy as an adult. Wasn't it Saddam who had entire brigade of children fighters? You know nothing but claim you know all about the story. Face it, you judge without knowing all the facts, isn't that what Muslims hate about westerners? |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 10:16am
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They had no guns on them go and read BBC.com |
Posted By: ops154
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 10:23am
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Like i said, you have no clue as to what happened before the video started or even the day or week before. Just like when everyone over-reacted about an american soldier shooting the wounded Iraqi in the blown up building. Everyone was appalled by it, yet no one wanted to mention the fact that the day before they lost fellow soldiers to a wounded Iraqi who was booby-trapped. Sometimes you just don't have all the facts. Go ahead and keep judging from the safety of your home, no worries there huh? You are not there and have no clue as to what it is like just like myself so please wait to judge them until all the facts are in. |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 10:25am
yea kids can fire gun, lets go and kill all iraqi kids so no one will be able to fire one. saddam has a brigade of children fighters, saddam is an anti-christ,saddam has biological weapons, saddam has WMD's. Saddam has zombies that fire laser out of their eyes. I was born in west and raised in west, so it makes me a westerner. And some of my friends are non-muslims. muslims dont hate westerners, get the image of muslim riding on the camel with sword out of your head, its not Indiana jones moive. |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 10:28am
yea and you have clue.. o wait ofcourse you do.. you are the MR.Camera man. how can I ever doubt you. infact you are posting from Iraq. how's the weather there? everything fine? after killing the wounded man, did they found explosives on him? or did they planted it to justify it? |
Posted By: Ketchup
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 10:36am
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BBC.com, you taking the piss? ffs if you want real info look on the net not the news then evaluate everything you come across.. try and remove the bias then read between the lines... |
Posted By: ops154
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 11:25am
Well seems you are jumping to conclusions again without knowing what you're talking about. Nothing you have said relates to anything I'm talking about. I believe I'm the one who said I DON'T KNOW THE ENTIRE STORY so i won't jump to conclusions, but you go ahead and jump away. |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 15 February 2006 at 3:11am
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I know the story, got it from your own sources. |
Posted By: Ketchup
Date Posted: 15 February 2006 at 3:26am
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We don't know what really happened therefore you don't know what really happened. For an act like this to be carried out is aweful... but people do the most strange things on both sides at times of war. What I find most disturbing is the timing of the videos release, coincidence?
Ofcourse only the west can do nasty things if we follow your way of thinking.... because we are barbaric. This is just an example, there are many more examples like this one... March 31, 2004US Contractors Killed, Burned and strung up by Iraqis - Violence Flares Around Fallujahhttp://www.flurl.com/display_entry.php?id=123965 - http://www.flurl.com/display_entry.php?id=123965 I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU DON'T CLICK THIS LINK. |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 15 February 2006 at 4:27am
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tell that to the guy who lost his family casue US dropped a bomb on wedding |
Posted By: Ketchup
Date Posted: 15 February 2006 at 4:45am
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You miss my point... we could go around in circle on this one. My response could be what about the people who lost thier lives in the London bombing? See what I mean? What I was hinting at is that both sides have done bad things, and neither side are justifiable. War will never be pretty. |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 15 February 2006 at 5:19am
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But Iraqis didint did the london bombing.
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Posted By: Ketchup
Date Posted: 15 February 2006 at 5:31am
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I was however under the impression that the bombings were carried out as a proteest against the Allied occupation of Iraq.. a war the British public were opposed to. Sorry I should have used an example from Iraq for going around in circles. My point is for what ever incident you throw at me i can find one from the other side.. circles... Either way, should these British troops be found guilty of said crimes in the first post against these children justice will prevail. |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 15 February 2006 at 5:33am
| agreed the troops should be punished along with the people who did the bombing. |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 15 February 2006 at 6:03am
Its not permisible in Islam to mutilate the dead bodes of the enemy in war. Here is the Proof SOmeone asked Scholar this question: As-Salamu `alaykum. Could you please clarify how Islam views the issue of mutilating dead bodies of enemies in times of war? Answer: Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh. In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger. Dear questioner, thank you very much for having confidence in us, and we hope our efforts, which are purely for Allah's Sake, meet your expectations. First of all, it is to be noted that Islam prohibits torturing living people and mutilating the dead, even if they are non-Muslims. By Islamic Law, people who either of these two things are considered war criminals. However, if the enemies of Islam keep on doing this to Muslims, then Muslims are permitted to treat the enemies in the same manner. Almighty Allah says: "If ye punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith ye were afflicted. But if ye endure patiently, verily it is better for the patient" (An-Nahl: 126). Yet, it is better to show patience and forgiveness and never follow the way of our enemy and meet one crime with another crime, for this is not the characteristic of a true Muslim. Responding to the question, Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, Deputy Chairman of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, states the following: �First, it is not allowable to torture the living or mutilate the dead, even if they are non-Muslims. In the hadith of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), when he was sending Hamzah Al-Aslami on an expedition, he instructed him saying: "If you find so-and-so, kill him. But never kill him by burning, for none uses fire in torturing except the One Who created it (i.e., Allah)" (Reported by Abu Dawud). In another hadith, Safwan ibn `Assal said: The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) sent us on an expedition and said: �Move under the protection of Allah and for the sake of Allah. Fight those who disbelieve in Allah but never mutilate (the dead)� (Reported by Ibn Majah). Second, it is permissible to mutilate the dead only in case of retaliation. If anyone cuts the ear of another, his ear is to be cut in return. If he inflicts any physical damage on anyone, he should be retaliated against in the same manner. In case of war, Muslim are allowed to take vengeance for their mutilated dead mujahids (fighters) in the same way it was done to them. Almighty Allah says: "If ye punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith ye were afflicted. But if ye endure patiently, verily it is better for the patient" (An-Nahl: 126). This verse was revealed when the polytheists mutilated the corpse of Hamzah ibn `Abdul-Muttalib (may Allah be pleased with him). The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) swore to mutilate seventy corpses of the polytheists in retaliation for what they had done with Hamzah's body. Hence, this verse was revealed to indicate that punishment should be done in the same manner without any sort of transgression, so that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was permitted to mutilate only one corpse of the polytheists. However, the verse also shows that patience and refraining from retaliation are better in Allah's Sight. Thereupon, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) refrained from it and did not mutilate anybody.� Moreover, Dr. Ahmad Abu-Al-Wafa, Professor of International Law, Faculty of Law at Cairo University, adds: �Mutilating the corpses of the dead is prohibited in man-made international law. It considers it a war crime for which severe penalty is due. As far as Islamic Shari`ah is concerned, two main points should be stressed: 1. Mutilating corpses is prohibited in the same way torturing the living is forbidden. 2. It is better not to reply to the evil acts of the enemy in the same manner, except if responding in the same way will deter the enemy from exceeding their limits by mutilating corpses. Almighty Allah says: "If ye punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith ye were afflicted. But if ye endure patiently, verily it is better for the patient" (An-Nahl: 126) and �The guerdon of an ill-deed is an ill the like thereof. But whosoever pardoneth and amendeth, his wage is the affair of Allah. Lo! He loveth not wrong-doers" (Ash-Shura: 40). Finally, Sheikh `Ikrimah Sabri, the Mufti of Al-Quds (Jerusalem) and Khateeb of Al-Aqsa Mosque, concludes: In fact, the principle of reciprocity has well-established rules in Shari`ah, whereby Muslims are warned against embarking on such inhumane attitudes. For instance, if the enemy mutilates the dead bodies of Muslims, the Muslim army is not permitted to act in the same manner. In all cases, Muslims should not initiate the aggression, for Islam is the religion of mercy. War is not the first option in the life of Muslims; rather, it comes after da`wah (inviting to Islam) and kind advice.� |
Posted By: candid
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 9:18am
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Brother ak_m_f Its pointless to talk with this damned Westerners. I don't expect them to have any shame or compassion. They only understand the language of guns and bombs. They need to be bombed and shot just as they bomb and shoot (and not talked to). Period. |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 9:34am
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link updated, I guess you can download the video now.
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Posted By: Ketchup
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 10:33am
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Recent protests? 10 died today(?) during the Italian embassy protests over the t-shirts. I sit here scratching my head. ------------- "The days followed one another patiently. Right back at the beginning of the multiverse they had tried all passing at the same time, and it hadn't worked." |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 11:35am
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The author copy pasted it so it dosnt makes sense HEre is more specific |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 11:40am
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Mutilation refers to disfiguring the bodies of the dead as a means of exacting revenge. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) forbade mutilating the enemy corpses in war time, and his Companions (may Allah be pleased with all of them) followed his example in this. However, some jurists hold that there is an exception, which is that Muslims are permitted to mutilate the dead only in retaliation for what was done to their dead. The eminent Muslim scholar Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi states: �Throughout human history, many transgressions have been practiced in war time. Mutilating the dead is one of these transgressions. Mutilation refers to taking revenge on an enemy by disfiguring his body, especially by violently removing a part of it. It may even involve removing from the corpse an organ such as the heart or the liver as a means of further satisfying one's thirst for revenge. During the Battle of Uhud, the polytheists killed about 70 Muslims and mutilated some of their corpses. It was even said that Hind bint `Utbah, Abu Sufyan's wife, cut the abdomen of the Prophet's uncle Hamzah after he was killed, took out his liver, and tried to eat it to take revenge on him for killing her father earlier at the Battle of Badr. Abu Sufyan, who was the leader of the polytheists at the Battle of Uhud, shouted to the Muslims after the end of the battle, �You will find that some of your dead have been mutilated. I would like you to know that this has been done without my knowledge, yet it does not cause me harm.� (Reported by Al-Bukhari) As for the attitude of Islam towards the issue of mutilation, it absolutely forbids mutilating the dead, [even if they are non-Muslims]. This is proved by many hadiths to that effect. For example, it was reported on the authority of Buraydah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) would say to the leaders of the Muslim army: �Fight in Allah's cause. Do not misappropriate (the booty), do not breach the covenants(s) [that you hold with others], and do not mutilate the dead.� (Reported by Muslim) The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was also reported to have said: �The noblest in the field of war are the people of faith.� (Reported by Abu Dawud) Nobility in the field of war here refers mainly to disinclining from mutilating the corpses of the enemy. This means that mutilation is against the dictates of faith in Islam. Al-Hajaj ibn `Umran, a righteous successor, reported: A slave belonging to my father ran away, and he swore that if he found the slave, he would cut his hand off. He wanted me to ask for him about the lawfulness of his oath. I went to Samurah ibn Jundab [a companion of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)] and asked him about that. He (Samurah) said, �The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) would encourage us to give in charity and forbid us to distort others' bodies.� (Reported by Abu Dawud) Bearing in mind this Islamic teaching, Muslims in general believe that the corpses of the dead are inviolable. Hence, throughout the battles the Muslims fought, they did not mutilate the corpses of their enemies. During the wars that broke out against the enemies of Islam after the Prophet's death, the Rightly-Guided Caliphs expressed utter opposition to being sent the heads of the enemy leaders whom the Muslims had beheaded in the course of the battles as a proof of the Muslims' having achieved victory in the war. In this regard, it was reported that during the caliphate of Abu Bakr As-Siddiq (may Allah be pleased with him), `Abdullah ibn `Amir brought the head of one of the Roman leaders to Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) [to show him that the Muslims had achieved overwhelming victory over the Romans]. Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) denounced such an act. Upon that Ibn `Amir said, �O Caliph, they (that is, the Romans) do the same with us.� Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) replied angrily, �Do you follow in the footsteps of the Romans and Persians?� Then, Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him), giving a general order to the Muslims, said, �From now on, no head of an enemy is to be sent to me. It is sufficient to write me a message [to inform me of victory].� Let's contemplate this noble attitude of Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him). He denounced Ibn `Amir's act and regarded it an imitation of a Roman and Persian tradition. This is to say, Muslims, by virtue of the noble teachings of their religion, are supposed to be followed by others, not to be followers of them. It was also reported that some other time Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) was sent an enemy head. He said about the Muslims who had sent him the head that they had transgressed. Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) was also reported to have said about such an act, �Do not bring filth to the city of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).� However, some jurists said that Muslims are permitted to mutilate the dead in war time only in case of retaliation, that is, as a means of taking vengeance for their mutilated dead. They cite as evidence of this the Prophet's doing so to the tribe of `Uraynah as an act of retaliation. But this can be argued against, for the Prophet's act then was not in war time; it was the punishment he (peace and blessings be upon him) saw most appropriate to inflict upon the tribe of `Uraynah, for they were the people who committed theft and murder and reverted to disbelief after being believers (Muslims) and fought against Allah and His Messenger. |
Posted By: ops154
Date Posted: 19 February 2006 at 9:55am
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What about the Muslim made bomb in Jordan? Oh yeah, that was even on a Muslim wedding. |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 20 March 2006 at 10:04am
ofcourse CIA cov-ops are well known for creating civil wars and posting as arabs while carrying out atttacks, please go and read operation northwood from your own military data-base. |
Posted By: ops154
Date Posted: 20 March 2006 at 8:46pm
No matter what the Quran says the fact remains that MUSLIM iraqi did mutilate dead bodies. I know it was the CIA who did that with a CIA news crew near by to film it and get us americans all up in arms and ready to fight to the death agianst muslims across the world. Is that about right? ------------- Get it through your heads that I don't support Bush or the Israeli's! Thank your lucky stars for America is here to stay!!! |
Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 21 March 2006 at 7:39am
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Oh, what an amazing comparison of morally good USA (the liberators of iraq) with the so called tyrant iraqi terrorists? This is certainly a good comparison but only for those who keep only one ear. Here is another example of "morally good" USA. See and read it yourself. Did Marines Commit Crime in Iraq Civilian Deaths? WASHINGTON, March 19, 2006 � A bloody videotape shot by a local Iraqi journalism student has prompted the Pentagon to launch a criminal investigation into an incident that left at least 15 Iraqi civilians dead in the city of Haditha. The details of what happened four months ago in Haditha are just now coming to light with the release of the videotape by an Iraqi organization called Hammurabi Human Rights. The tape shows the bloodied and bullet-marked homes that had been allegedly stormed by the Marines, and includes comments by local residents. "This is my father," a boy says on the tape. "He didn't do anything wrong. Why did they kill him?" .............................
To read more and watch the live video click on the following link http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/IraqCoverage/story?id=1743981&page=1 - http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/IraqCoverage/story?id=1743981& page=1 |
Posted By: ops154
Date Posted: 21 March 2006 at 10:59pm
Have I said America is perfect or that american soldiers don't screw up? We have idiots in this country just like any other country. The difference is that if the above story is true then they will get investigated and hopefully someone will be thrown in jail for a very long time. ------------- Get it through your heads that I don't support Bush or the Israeli's! Thank your lucky stars for America is here to stay!!! |
Posted By: salman
Date Posted: 22 March 2006 at 5:10am
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Discipline is one of the important things taught in army. Where has the discipline of American soldiers gone? 'Abusing Iraqi prisoners' and 'beating Iraqi kids' this is not discipline. I don't know what the American soldiers were taught when they were in the army. |
Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 22 March 2006 at 6:50am
| Now it is even more clearer than ever before, that the torture and abuse in prisons under USA army control, is not just an isolated incidents of indivdual nature, but of a systematically devised program, for whatever justification they provide. When their subject are really hard to crack, they are often a times flown to other countries, where there is no hold bard on what tactics can be applied to beat the ---- out of them. It is the moral bankruptcy of USA administration who has miserably failed to stand on higher battle ground of morality against the terrorists. Invasion in Iraq was the first step to this failure, prolonging it in there is worsning the situation even deeper than ever before. |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 22 March 2006 at 7:17am
US marines are mentally broken down to shoot any moving targets, they are also made to sing their slogans, which further brain washes them. |
Posted By: ops154
Date Posted: 22 March 2006 at 7:43am
Have you ever been in the military? ------------- Get it through your heads that I don't support Bush or the Israeli's! Thank your lucky stars for America is here to stay!!! |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 22 March 2006 at 8:02am
I watched the training on discovery channel. |
Posted By: salman
Date Posted: 23 March 2006 at 8:24am
| I think U.S. army is mentally ill. |
Posted By: USA1
Date Posted: 23 March 2006 at 9:52am
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One could say the same thing about Islam after watching Muslims kill each other every day. There are idiots everywhere. ------------- They just don't get it! |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 23 March 2006 at 11:21am
thats true. |
Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 23 March 2006 at 5:53pm
| That is an unbalanced comparison where people compare a religion with a country. How can oranges being compared with apples? |
Posted By: salman
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 3:38am
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you guys say that there are idiots everywhere. let me tell you that there is one idiot in this forum itself. he is USA1. USA1, mind your language ! You should have thought many times before making that statement regarding Islam. you are insulting Islam. I have reported the matter to the moderators/administrators. |
Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 3:50am
Salman, have you ever heard the saying; "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"? |
Posted By: salman
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 4:10am
| I could not understand what you said. |
Posted By: USA1
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 6:04am
I do appologize for my ignorance. Sorry. ------------- They just don't get it! |
Posted By: USA1
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 6:05am
I am sorry. I am just used to freedom of speach. ------------- They just don't get it! |
Posted By: salman
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 7:21am
| let me tell you USA1 that freedom of speech ends where religion begins. |
Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 7:43am
| Bro Salman, though I did show my concerns on his unbalanced compaison, but not to instigate my fellow Muslims. Kindly don't embarce me through emotionally charged hate. All humans have emotions with them, but we as Muslims should know that Islam puts us on a higher moral grounds by controlling our anger. If we don't, we are no different than the others. Hope we must show such restraint when dealing with our non-Muslim brothers in this forum. |
Posted By: USA1
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 7:57am
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AhmadJoyia, Salman is only protecting his belief and I can respect that. I hold no ill feelings. ------------- They just don't get it! |
Posted By: ops154
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 10:01am
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Not in everyones view. What makes you right? Why should you get to determine my priorities? ------------- Get it through your heads that I don't support Bush or the Israeli's! Thank your lucky stars for America is here to stay!!! |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 12:24pm
so ur other ID is USA1?? I think we caught u red handed this time 
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Posted By: ops154
Date Posted: 24 March 2006 at 12:33pm
You are so clever. What makes you think I need two IDs, I'll tell you what I think with this one ban or not. ------------- Get it through your heads that I don't support Bush or the Israeli's! Thank your lucky stars for America is here to stay!!! |
Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 26 March 2006 at 6:22pm
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