The Moon (Part 2)
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Topic: The Moon (Part 2)
Posted By: Abu Loren
Subject: The Moon (Part 2)
Date Posted: 24 June 2015 at 2:37am
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Where is Part 1?
Amazingly the moon is back with it's disappearing act. I think it is more than coincidence that this happens at the time of Ramadan. Monday 22 June 2015 11:00 PM I was sitting at the same location as last year and the moon was at a strange location. It was further out at sea and further South than when it disappeared last year. After about five minutes of watching the moon, it suddenly began to change colour. It was as if it was a dried old date stalk (as described in the Qur'an). Then within three to four minutes it completely disappeared. Tuesday 23 June 2015 11:30 PM Again I was at the same location and noticed that the moon was slightly higher in the horizon than the previous night. After about ten minutes the moon began to change colour as per the previous night. However, there was a remarkable difference now. A black veil or what looked liked a black curtain began to envelope the moon starting at the middle. Then it covered the bottom part, about ten percent of the top was still visible, then the moon completely disappeared. I stayed at the same spot and after about ten to fifteen minutes the bottom part was revealed slightly to show that the moon was still there. However the sky was normal meaning that there was no black spot or visible sign that there was anything there. I think these signs are being shown so that I can convey this message on this forum for non believers and those with an atom's weight if faith can believe. I think Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala is inviting especially atheists on this forum to be believers. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
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Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 24 June 2015 at 8:28am
Part 1 is http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29691&PN=1 - here . I just skimmed through it, and I think it is possibly the most interesting and worthwhile discussion I have had on this forum. Thank you for that, Abu Loren.  As I said in the previous discussion, what you're seeing is undoubtedly caused either by clouds or by pollution of some kind. There is nothing remarkable about the moon being partially or totally obscured. I've seen it many times myself. I do find it interesting that you seem to notice it particularly during Ramadan, however. (The previous discussion also took place during Ramadan.) Do you spend more time than usual during Ramadan outside at night, looking at the moon? ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 25 June 2015 at 2:44am
I usually sit outside after Isha prayer at night and after having dinner. I interchange between the city centre and the Corniche (seaside). Anyway, I tent to look up most of the time (unlike any other normal human being) and notice the airplanes, the clouds and the moon etc. On 'normal' days the moon is 'normal' meaning that there is nothing to write home about. However these disappearances of the moon during Ramadan is not 'normal' in any sense of the word. To begin with, the moon visibly changes colour or rather it loses it light and becomes dim. The first night I noticed this the moon just disappeared after this dimness. However on the second night, there was a black veil or something like a curtain which enveloped the moon. The the top part remained visible for about five to ten minutes, then it disappeared. Another strange thing was that part of the lower half of the moon became visible after about ten minutes and the whole moon disappeared. There were many people out and about at the location I mentioned. I did not approach anybody because of language barriers and because they would think that I'm nuts. I don't know if the only witness to this is just me. If it is then I think it is to convey this message to non believers on this forum and for them to just believe. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Ron Webb wrote:Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 25 June 2015 at 5:36am
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But I do believe. I believe in clouds. And air pollution. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 25 June 2015 at 12:28pm
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Wednesday 24 June 2015
11:45 PM The moon looks normal and bright. However it is a few degrees north than the previous two nights. 12:05 AM The moon has shifted a few degrees south within only a few minutes. Once again it has lost it's light and become dim. Then completely disappeared. See the pics. http://postimg.org/image/55adfse01/40b4f51c/ http://postimg.org/image/vvx3nb1mv/970c191e/ http://postimg.org/image/g2wqkl43r/a119d77c/ http://postimg.org/image/60ptgt0p1/a614637c/ http://postimg.org/image/hjkzinzsb/74bf2794/ http://postimg.org/image/i7ts84a1v/58d327af/ http://postimg.org/image/ss1i6kwrl/c2d73b48/ http://postimg.org/image/qyo0hdg4h/cb3e6a77/ ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 26 June 2015 at 2:26am
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Friday 26 June 2015
I was late and got to the spot around 12:20 AM. To my surprise the moon was there and looked normal, meaning that it has it's brightness. However, after about 10 to 15 minutes the brightness of the moon became dim. It was as if the moon was waiting for me. PICS http://postimg.org/image/j387e6muh/fdb5a35e/ http://postimg.org/image/ksji4wezl/dc14b954/ http://postimg.org/image/70u33savt/f8aeea82/ http://postimg.org/image/nfu4f1w1z/3e516354/ http://postimg.org/image/khpyrupy9/17dc6b50/ ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 27 June 2015 at 1:10am
Clouds. Do you think it might be worth you doing a little astronomy? You could buy a book on it and a reasonably cheap set of binoculars to get started. I think you will enjoy finding out about the universe. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 27 June 2015 at 2:29am
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Saturday 27 June 2015
11:00 - 12:30 AM The moon was at a completely different spot. Nothing else happened, the moon only moved a few degrees to the South. http://postimg.org/image/5czhma6qx/47abea14/ http://postimg.org/image/w35rrigfd/a54d4e35/ http://postimg.org/image/9kpwjyzi9/277cb5a9/ http://postimg.org/image/c2rki4rvz/d4b8db38/ ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 28 June 2015 at 2:21am
Tim the Plonker this is not about astronomy but miracles. The moon was at a location where it was not supposed to be then on top of that it disappeared right in front of my eyes just like last year during Ramadan. Compare the locations of the moon between the pics I've provided and you'll see that something is not quiet right. This is for people like you who believe in nothing to just BELIEVE. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 28 June 2015 at 6:00am
Assuming your conclusion.
Here is a http://www.heavens-above.com/skychart.aspx?lat=25.362&lng=55.391&loc=Sharjah&tz=UAEST - skychart for Sharjah (the same chart I linked to in the previous discussion). You can enter any date and time at the bottom and it will show you exactly where the moon is supposed to be at that time.
Most of the photos show the moon very near the horizon, where it is especially likely to be obscured by smoke/steam from chimneys, wind-blown dust/sand, etc. You won't necessarily see the pollution source itself at night, but I have often seen celestial objects appearing and disappearing, flickering or dimming like that. No miracle, just natural phenomena.
If you would give us exact dates and times for the pics, as well as the direction you were facing when you took the picture, that might help. Otherwise how can we tell whether it's right or not?
As I told you, we do believe. In clouds, and in air pollution. And in science. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 28 June 2015 at 10:14am
Could it be that you do not know where the Moon is supposed to be? Could it be that you were mistaken? It could be that there was an optical effect causing a miarge which altered the location of the Moon in the sky as you were seeing it but I would then expect lots of people to have noticed it and it would then have made the news. The Moon certainly has not moved out of it's expected place in the universe. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 29 June 2015 at 2:32am
Only on the nights of the miracle are the moon near the horizon. Like I've explained the moon was higher up in the sky then it moves down the horizon (all withing 10 - 15 mins) then it changes colour then disappears. There are no visible pollution to be seen as you can see the moon and the diminishing light of the moon. Now the moon is very high up on the horizon and hardly moves within 2 hours that I stay there at the location. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 29 June 2015 at 2:34am
The moon was NOT where IT was supposed to be :) No optical effects or illusion but a clear miracle. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 29 June 2015 at 5:20am
All of which is exactly what one would expect from natural phenomena, as I have explained repeatedly. Of course you're not going to see the pollution directly. It's dark outside (also a natural phenomenon, called "night").
Here's a suggestion: set up your camera in a fixed position on a tripod, then take regular pictures every ten minutes or so. You will see that the moon is moving across the sky at a constant rate -- approx. 0.25 angular degrees per minute, or 2.5 degrees from each photograph to the next. If you could see the stars, which you probably can't because of air and light pollution, you could also note that the moon's position relative to the stars does not change noticeably in a single evening. By the way, you might be interested in attending the opening of the new http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/leisure/sharjah-centre-for-astronomy-and-space-opens-to-public-on-july-2-1.1541090 - Sharjah Centre for Astonomy and Space this coming Thursday, July 2. You may find someone there who can discuss this "miracle" with you. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 29 June 2015 at 9:06am
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By the way, last evening and this morning we have been witnessing a very weird atmospheric effect on the appearance of the sun in our region. In the evenings and mornings, the sun has a very vivid and intense orange colour. It's hard to describe. We are accustomed to orange and red colours during sunset and sunrise, but what I'm talking about is as much as an hour or more before sunset and after sunrise. Because it is so high in the sky, it is almost as bright as at noon, so both the colour and the intensity are spectacular. It almost feels like we're on another planet. http://globalnews.ca/news/2081173/manitoba-skies-darkened-by-saskatchewan-fires/ - The cause , according to Environment Canada, is a number of large forest fires to the north and west of us, blowing smoke into our upper atmosphere. Or it could be a miracle.  ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 29 June 2015 at 10:13am
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Thread shifted ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 29 June 2015 at 11:32am
You still don't understand. The moon was not suposed to be at the position in the first place. If you look at the pics I've posted in the 27 June 2015 yo will see where the moon is really supposed to be. Also it was not any form of pollution. The moon lost it's light. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 29 June 2015 at 11:33am
Yes I cam understand all this but what happened here was not the same. What I saw was a miracle. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 29 June 2015 at 1:20pm
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Why don' you simply download free software like http://www.google.com/mobile/skymap/ - "Google Skymap" to you smart phone. It will calculate the position of all visible celestial bodies including the moon and show in real time where they are supposed to be at a given moment.
Then post again. Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 29 June 2015 at 6:24pm
You do realize, I hope, that the moon rises and sets at different positions (as well as different times) every day throughout the month. I'm not sure how you decide where the moon is "supposed to be", but if you use the http://www.heavens-above.com/skychart.aspx?lat=25.362&lng=55.391&loc=Sharjah&tz=UAEST - Heavens Above star chart that I've already linked to a few times, you can calculate where astronomers suppose it ought to be. Let me know -- better still, let the astronomers at the aforementioned Sharjah Centre for Astonomy and Space know -- if it's somewhere else.
How do you know? Do you think it would look any different if it was dimming due to air pollution? ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 30 June 2015 at 5:59am
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I think the moon was supposed to be somewhere else because it is at it's 'correct' position now. I have never seen the moon that low in the horizon but once which was last year Ramadan.
You can deny this miracle all you want but it was a miracle nonetheless. Believe or not believe, it doesn't bother me in the least. Just look at the pics. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 30 June 2015 at 12:01pm
1, Why did nobody else notice this? 2, Why was this not seen from elsewhere on Earth? 3, How would you be able to tell if it was an optical effect due to atmospheric conditions? If it was then this is very interesting. If it is reliable then it would be facinating to see it. 4, What message do you suppose it would mean if it was something God did just for you? Why would he do this and not just tell you that message? |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 01 July 2015 at 2:36am
I suppose nobody else was looking.
How can I answer this question?
I find it strange that somebody would wait until Ramadan time to do this 'optical effect'. Like I said previously the moon was 'normal' when I got there, meaning that the light was bright. Then after about 10 mins it diminishes and disappears. It is also strange that the moon was at that location, low on the horizon.
The message would be "...go and report this phenomena to the members at Islamicity forum and if anyone believes and follow the Straight Path then they will receive a great reward unimaginable". ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 01 July 2015 at 2:46am
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The moon is low on the horizon a lot of the time. I am not suggesting that somebody deliberately set up some sort of optical effect. I mean that atmospheric conditions can produce naturally conditions which cause a lensing effect of light which can make things be seen which would normally not be. This is not happening inside your eyes or just for you. A mirarge is a real effect. I don't actually think that this happened here though. That is because I don't think there is anything unusual to talk about here. The Moon was low in the sky, it was setting, some clouds whent in front of it, they were not visable as it was night and the light from the city made the stars not visable so the clouds could not be seen, then the clouds moved on, the Moon was then back to being visable but lower in the sky as it continued to set, the rotation of the Earth causing the Moon to move below the horizon. Star gazing is fun and a good exploration of the world. Give it a try. Try predicting where the Moon will be tonight. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 01 July 2015 at 6:53am
How do you know what the "correct" position is for a particular day/time? The moon is low near the horizon every night around moonrise/set (obviously), not just during Ramadan. If you've never seen it, then I guess you haven't been looking. Perhaps you just don't pay much attention to the moon throughout the rest of the year.
You have posted a couple of dozen pictures. I have no idea which ones you think are "correct" and which are "miracles". They all look perfectly normal to me. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 01 July 2015 at 11:23am
That's the whole point you dope. Now the moon is at it's correct position around that time that I go to the Corniche. It was very low over the horizon those two particular nights when it lost it's light and disappeared. If you look at the domed building in the centre of the pic (which is the Sharjah court house) you will see that the moon is at its right hand side The moon was only there those two particular nights. For the past week after the miracle the moon is very high over to the left of the court house, that is it's correct position (where it should be). The moon does not dilly dally across the sky but moves very very slowly throughout the night on it's course.
The first two nights are incorrect. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 01 July 2015 at 12:07pm
| You do understand that the position of the Moon is different on each day of the month? |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 01 July 2015 at 1:09pm
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On the evening of June 24, the moon set at approx. 12:25 a.m. (technically the morning of the 25th), at an azimuth of about 265 degrees (estimated from the Heavens Above sky charts). At the same time two days later on the evening of June 26, it was at azimuth 250 degrees and still more than ten degrees above the horizon. It set more than an hour later at 1:35 a.m. (technically the 27th), at about azimuth 260 degrees. The "correct" position of the moon on the evening of the 26th is thus about fifteen degrees south of what it would have been at the same time on the 24th, and it is quite a bit higher in the sky as well. That is consistent with your photos as far as I can tell. It is also consistent with your observation that the moon is quite a bit dimmer as it approaches the horizon. You are an excellent observer, Abu Loren. If only you wouldn't allow mysticism to cloud your interpretations. [edited to fix my am./pm. error.  ]------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 01 July 2015 at 2:24pm
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@ AbuL
Any luck with your download ? Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 02 July 2015 at 2:33am
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You people still do not understand.
Wherever the moon was supposed to be, it lost it's light and went dark and then disappeared completely. For two nights in a row. That is a miracle.
After thought
I was observing the moon last night and it was brighter than the previous nights due to it being near full. It disappeared behind some clouds but you know it is still there because of the light. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 02 July 2015 at 2:34am
------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 02 July 2015 at 3:27am
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thread shifted ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 02 July 2015 at 5:49am
Well, you are clearly determined to have your "miracle", regardless of the facts; but just so you know, all celestial objects "lose their light" as they near the horizon. Here is http://cosmoquest.org/forum/showthread.php?43145-Question-why-can-t-I-see-stars-near-the-horizon - a good explanation from an astronomer:"...our atmosphere isn't completely transparent, even to visible light. Looking straight up, where the line of sight encounters the least absorption, 10-25% of starlight is lost at a typical clear site (the higher figure is for bluer light). The absorption increases toward the horizon, roughly as 1/cosine(angle from zenith). From places renowned for clear skies (Hawaii, the Canary Islands, the Andes, the Caucasus) you can still see stars close to the horizon but in reduced numbers (and brightness). [I made a note in my observing log while using the 6-meter BTA, of how striking it was to see mountain peaks outlined by the Milky Way.] However, from typcial places (and the whole eastern US falls in that category from my experience) the amount of absorption is often enhanced by haze, and since the vertical absorption factor gets multipled by the geometric one looking sideways, some nights it's like observing the Universe from the bottom of a goldfish bowl. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 03 July 2015 at 1:38am
If you want to do (some sort of) science you need instruments. Otherwise your observation is based on feelings -which for me at least- is the opposite of science. Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 03 July 2015 at 2:15am
Not like this. This was a sudden loss of the moon's light and then disappeared without any clouds nearby. OK then explain the miracle of the second night where a black covering enveloped the moon and parts of it were visible for a while then totally disappeared. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 03 July 2015 at 4:56am
All the things you are descibing sound exactly like seeing the Moon on a night where clouds that you could not see were in the sky and moving across the Moon. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 03 July 2015 at 6:08am
How do you know there were no clouds nearby? You can't usually see clouds at night.
That close to the horizon, it was most likely a plume of effluent from a factory or power generating station. But again, it was night so you wouldn't necessarily see the plume itself. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 04 July 2015 at 2:31am
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To ALL
Believe what you want as you lot are clearly going to hell. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 04 July 2015 at 3:31am
Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 04 July 2015 at 4:54am
Is that because we don't belive in your assertions which seem to not be anything special or something else? |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 05 July 2015 at 2:44am
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People were shown greater miracles than this in the past but they STILL did not believe. So I can understand your skepticism over some grainy pics. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 05 July 2015 at 3:35am
Obviously nobody else than you saw or spotted this (as a) miracle. You don't want to do the necessary steps (like the download I suggested) to check your claim on an objective basis. It seems that you are seriously claiming the Allah sent a miracle to you alone. I honestly think you have a problem with narcissism. Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 05 July 2015 at 7:51am
People claimed greater miracles than this in the past, without even the grainy pictures. Can you understand our skepticism about that? ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 06 July 2015 at 2:54am
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Things are becoming ever stranger over here.
On the morning of Monday 06 July after 1 am I began to notice that the moon was passing under the clouds. Anybody who has ever flown on an aeroplane will know that there are low clouds and high altitude clouds. So what this means is that the moon is inside the Earth's atmosphere. Stranger still, I have a theory that the moon is a glass like orb. The Sun'n heat and light charges this orb during the daytime and the moon emits what it has been charged with by the Sun. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 06 July 2015 at 2:56am
I'm not claiming that Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala sent this miracle to me alone. As I've said previously, people in general do NOT look up, it's almost like they are navel gazing when they are out and about. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 06 July 2015 at 2:59am
Of course I understand. A person like you who has been shut out of Allah's mercy would not understand not believe. You atheists have done the hard part by saying "there is no god" but if you could only add "but Allah" then you would be a Muslim and would be given half a chance for eternal salvation. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 07 July 2015 at 7:22am
The Moon you see is the same one we see here. It has not come into the Earth's atmosphere. Your rantings are geting more and more silly. |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 08 July 2015 at 7:16am
Tim the plumber @ AbuL:
I think the whole discussion doesn't tell us much about the moon, nor about miracles but much more about people and to which extend they are willing to bend the facts until they fit their view of the world. I'm sure that if the Quran stated that the moon is a cube you would have a wave of protests coming onto you if you used the word "sphere" for it. It's much more about psychology than science. Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 08 July 2015 at 11:00am
Plonker no. The cloud cover in the UK is almost always low whilst here in the UAE amazingly we get clear skies most of the time. As you've been brought up studying NASA's lies you wouldn't be able to think outside the box. The heavenly bodies are not what you think they are. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 08 July 2015 at 1:10pm
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If the moon had entered the earth's atmosphere in the UAE, it would be below the horizon for most of the planet. I think somebody would have noticed that. Shucks, I think I would have noticed it myself. On the other hand, maybe not. We'd be too busy dealing with the catastrophic tidal effects, which would drown most of the coastal areas (not to mention ripping the moon itself apart). And I can't even imagine the effects on the weather. What does NASA have to do with it? We understood the basic physics of the solar system hundreds of years ago. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 09 July 2015 at 5:48am
The moon did not enter the atmosphere but has always been inside it. If you've ever been lucky enough to be near a lake in natural surroundings meaning that there are no artificial lights nearby then you would see the moon's reflection on the water. If the moon was millions of miles away then this reflection of it's light would be impossible. As for the moon being resposible for the earth's gravity that is also a fantasy created by those who are liars. The earth and it's gravity are independent of the moon and do not depend on it. What's you've written above is straight out of the encyclopedia written by those bods at NASA. Hence the reason you can't think outside of the box and accept alternative reality. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 09 July 2015 at 5:55am
I understand how to measure the gravity of the Moon from Earth. I understand how to find the distance away from us that the Moon is using a laser range finder or radar. I understand how to measure the distance away from us that the Moon is using 2 telescops at different locations at the same time. I understand how to measure the distance using one point of observation over several sightings. If the Moon had come into the Earth's atmosphere we would all be dead already. Not something you could miss. |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 09 July 2015 at 5:58am
Why would the distance of the Moon be significant in it reflecting off a lake? The Sun is much further away and reflects off water and stuff. Stars are much much further away. They will reflect of a very very still lake. Why is it down to the atheists here to point out the obvious? |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 09 July 2015 at 6:52am
AbuL
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Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 09 July 2015 at 7:09am
Why would it be impossible? And where are you getting this stuff? It's not Islam, and it's certainly not science. Are you just making it up out of your own head?
The moon is responsible for earth's tides, not for its gravity.
Again, what does NASA have to do with anything? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide#History_of_tidal_physics - Wikipedia says that "Seleucus of Seleucia theorized around 150 B.C. that tides were caused by the Moon,", and (ironically) that "Medieval understanding of the tides was primarily based on works of Muslim astronomers." ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 10 July 2015 at 2:30am
Look compare the reflection of light of a street light and the reflection of the moon's light on water. It's almost identical which means that the moon is very near.
The earth is independent of any heavenly bodies. The tides are controlled by Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala's natural laws. He tells us in the Qur'an that He has set a balance. This is the natural law of the universe.
People follow what lies NASA tells and they follow the lies of the so called scientists of the past who has proven nothing but theorised much. There you go, you get your scientific facts from wikipedia. Say no more. Let also say this. The Earth is flat hence the reason we can see the moon at the same time all over the world. Those areas covered by sunlight can also the see the moon as the moon is not only visible at night. Human beings do not possess the technology to penetrate the Earth's 'atmosphere'. There is no 'atmosphere' as such but it continues to the next heaven. What we see is out own universe, there are no glaxies, black holes, supernova's etc etc as these are the imaginations of a group of people who has the only agenda which is to rip off the government for billions of dollars of funding, most of which goes into their own pockets. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 10 July 2015 at 3:24am
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Is there anybody else out there who is reading this? Do you consider the Earth to be flat? Do you think that the Moon is visable at the same time at all points on the Earth? Do you consider that the time of day is the same at all points on the Earth? |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 10 July 2015 at 6:44am
Abul:
Strange ! airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 10 July 2015 at 9:31pm
Why would you suppose that distant light sources don't cast reflections? Can you give me an example of this phenomenon?
Indeed, the tides are a result of a balance between the earth's gravity, which tends to keep the ocean at a constant elevation, and the moon's gravity, which tries to pull the water toward itself. (I'm oversimplifying a bit, but I think it will do for this discussion.)
Are you describing scientists, or theologians?
I get my scientific facts from a great variety of sources. I'm only linking to Wikipedia because it's convenient. Find me a single reputable source that supports your wacko theories. Actually, never mind "reputable" -- find me a source, period. Show me that you're not just making stuff up.
But we can't. Tonight the moon will rise in Winnipeg at 1:44 a.m. CDT (=06:44 GMT). If I were to phone you at that time, you would tell me that you saw the moon rise more than nine hours earlier at 1:33 a.m. GST (=21:33 GMT).
The International Space Station has been orbiting the earth for more than a decade. If it weren't far above the earth's atmosphere, then friction with the air would have long ago brought it crashing down. (You can actually watch it passing overhead. It's a fascinating sight -- sign up at http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/index.cfm - http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/index.cfm to receive email alerts whenever it is visible in Sharjah.) GPS technology relies on a number of satellites in what are called "geostationary" orbits. That is, the orbits are synchronized with the earth's rotation, so that satellites are always over a specific geographic location. If human beings did not put these satellites up there, then who did? Jinns? Allah? And if they are not orbiting a spherical and rotating earth, then how do these satellites just hang there, apparently motionless? Is that some kind of magic?
This "group of people" is hundreds of millions of people in every advanced nation spanning hundreds of years. The magnitude of the conspiracy theory you are proposing is positively breathtaking. Far more vast than what would have been required to invent the story of Muhammad, for instance. A few hundred people could have concocted that, from virtually nothing. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 11 July 2015 at 1:32am
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Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 11 July 2015 at 2:55am
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***BREAKING NEWS***
The moon has it's own clouds. The moon is created for man to calculate time. There are 30 days in a lunar month and these days are calculated by the shape of the moon. So for example, when the moon is a perfect crescent then the first day of the month begins. The full moon usually lasts 3 days which are normally the 13th, 14h and 15th of the month. This dark cloud appears and disappears during the monthly cycle causing the shape to change. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 11 July 2015 at 3:24am
The distance makes it impossible. Also the light of the moon is not that bright to cause reflections on the water. [/quote]
There you go quoting what you've read in the science books. The ocean and tides are controlled by the natural laws of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. The moon is not that far away from the Earth, in fact it is only a few thousand miles away. The moon also does not have any influence on the Earth's gravity. Let me also add here that the moon is a very small object (people cannot land on it).
Your ignorance is astounding. All the scientific institutions churn out drones teaching them the same garbage that you say here. Then when they get their PHD's then they go out and teach a whole lot of new drones about Galileo, Newton, Einstein etc. It's an endless cycle. They get together and agree that it's scientific fact. Wrong. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 11 July 2015 at 4:31am
What is this? Get a telescope. A cheap one. Look at the moon. It has no clouds. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ASTRONOMICAL-TELESCOPE-DIAGONAL-MIRROR-TRIPOD-20x30x40x-POWER-30mm-XMAS-GIFTS-/131538054280?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1ea0476c88 �13. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 11 July 2015 at 9:53am
 Why would distance make it impossible? Can you give me an example of this phenomenon?
If the moon is only a few thousand miles above the earth's surface, then why is it the same apparent diameter (about half a degree wide) whether it is directly overhead or farther away near the horizon?
Well, we obviously don't worship Satan because most of us don't even believe that Satan exists. But otherwise, how is that different from Islam? Some guy recited something, then other people wrote it down and thought "oh, let's put these in the mosques and teach kids so that they'll grow up knowing nothing."
Of course not. We ask for evidence. Just as I'm asking you.
You know from common experience, if not from geometry, that things look smaller when they are farther away. But just like the moon, the sun's angular diameter remains about the same, whether directly overhead or when it is on the horizon. So it's not "going away". It's staying roughly the same distance. It's just going below the horizon -- which it couldn't do if the world were flat.
No, I have actually watched the space station pass over Winnipeg, many times. And I used my GPS just yesterday to find my way to a friend's house for the first time. These are real things that I have personally experienced, not just stuff I read on the Internet. How do you think GPS works?
Fifty thousand years? Travelling at what speed? You don't have any idea, do you? You're just quoting what you read in some hadith, right?
Solar panels or not, they would still need some sort of propellant to eject downwards in order to provide upward thrust against gravity. And after ten years, that would have long run out. Do you know of any solar-powered device that can hover indefinitely?
That is not at all how science works. Students are encouraged and often required to perform experiments that demonstrate the scientific facts they are learning. But your description exactly describes how religion is taught. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 12 July 2015 at 3:15am
Simple common sense. The further away a lighted object is the dimmer it's light, so for instance, the light from a street lamp would be reflected on a lake or ocean but because the light of the moon is dimmer than a street lamp it would be impossible for the light to be reflected on the water that is so far away.
Because it is real close. It is not the same size.
Yes indeed it's called faith.
You ask for evidence but most of science do not have concrete proof. Modern science is based on theory, like I said somebody once had a good idea and others thought oh let put that in the school curriculum and teach the kids.
What makes you say that? Of course the sun can go 'under' the Earth and re-appear at the other side (after prostrating in front of the Throne of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala and rising once permission is granted). You see you have to get rid of this image that NASA has given you of the globe and movies like 'gravity'. You grew up in this environment and I can understand that it would be very difficult for you to think outside the box.
I'm not doubting that there are things up there in the sky but I don't share your view that these objects are outside of our atmosphere and circling the globe. Can you agree that satellites and space stations can be deployed high in the sky and kept there by solar power panels without using gravity?
It will take fifty thousand years riding on a horse.
[/quote] They are not actually stationary objects but they are gliding. This is the reason you see it in Winnipeg and the pass you by.
Students perform experiments that are according to what they've been taught. If they follow the procedures as stipulated in their science book then they will get a PHD at the end of it. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 13 July 2015 at 2:53am
Who knows may be we are the only 2 people left on this earth.
Yes.
Yes. Even during the day the moon is visible if you look closely.
No. It alternates between night and day depending on the sun passing over the earth. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 13 July 2015 at 2:54am
We can build computers in any way we want. I didn't bring mathematics into this equation. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 13 July 2015 at 2:57am
Tim you should come to the Arabian Peninsula and observe the heavenly bodies it seems to be very clearer over here, may it's because the Arabian Peninsula is the centre of the world. The clouds of the moon obscure it's light, that's how we get the crescent. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 13 July 2015 at 6:33am
How far away does a light have to be that it is "impossible" for it to cast a reflection? And how do you know? Common sense and personal experience both tell me that if the light is easily seen with the naked eye, then it should cast a reflection regardless of its distance. Can you give me any example to the contrary?
But it is the same size, and if you doubt it then compare any of your photos. The moon is almost exactly the same apparent diameter, and therefore the same distance, regardless of how high it is in the sky. And that distance must be huge compared to the size of the earth -- otherwise we would notice the change in angular diameter/distance as it moved from zenith to horizon.
It's true that science is very reluctant to declare something "proved", because we are always open to new ideas if new evidence demands it. That's why we continue to refer to them as "theories", even though (as in the Copernican theory) they have been so thoroughly tested and confirmed that nobody doubts them. But it always amuses me when religious dogmatists criticize science for not having "proof" of its theories. How can you demand proof from us when it plays no role in your own worldview? Like you said, it's called "faith". You have no use for evidence or facts or proof. Where is your "concrete proof" for the theory of Islam?
If the sun goes under the earth, and the earth is flat, then the whole earth would be dark at the same time -- and we know that never happens. When it's night in Sharjah, it's day in Winnipeg, and vice versa.
Again with the NASA jibe. I already told you the Copernican theory was well entrenched in science, and confirmed hundreds of different ways by thousands of people, centuries before NASA.
But they wouldn't work if they weren't outside the atmosphere and circling the globe.
No, I can't agree; and you can't offer me a plausible explanation for how they could work that way, let alone any example of a solar-powered craft that can hover indefinitely.
Does the hadith actually say that, or are you just making stuff up again? By the way, if a horse can gallop at 30 mph, that would make the first heaven about 13 billion miles up. Which is plenty of room to accommodate the Copernican model for the solar system.
Look, it's one thing to be making stuff up, but if you're not even going to be consistent in your made-up stuff, there's really no point in discussing. There must be a thousand private companies that use satellite technology, employing hundreds of thousands of engineers and other scientists in all advanced nations of the world (including Muslim nations). You really think a conspiracy of that magnitude and scope can be maintained for decades? And if so, then why is it not even more plausible that the whole story of Muhammad (which ultimately rests on the claims of just one man, or at best a few dozen of his followers) was just another conspiracy?
You don't get a PhD simply by repeating what you were taught. Every PhD student is required to write and defend a thesis, which includes original research or experimentation of some sort. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 13 July 2015 at 2:49pm
You have watched, night after night, while the moon disappears below the horizon. You have taken pictures tracking this descent, and posted them here. How can it still be visible after it has set?
 ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 14 July 2015 at 3:28am
All I'm saying is that the moon's light is not bright enough for it to cast a reflection on water. Simple logic.
Your only assuming the distance is huge. I would estimate that the moon is only about 50,000 to 60,000 miles above the earth. There is nor have ever been technology available to calculate the distance accurately or to the exact distance.
What you've wrote above is the quote of the century if not the millenium.
When the sun is above the America's the other part of the world is in darkness. When the sun sets in the America's it goes under the earth and appears in the east for a new day. It doesn't take a long time for it travel to the other side. I wish I could draw a picture to illustrate this point.
I love making NASA jibes because it is the instrument of satan. It has mislead so many into thinking of the world as it is now whilst the world is completely different to what you think.
As I've said previously there is no atmosphere as such. It's just the the oxygen level gets weaker and weaker as we go up. If you go up a few thousand miles then you wouldn't see the earth as a globe (like the picture that NASA paints) but a flat earth. When you look up you see the clouds then the sky as far as the eye can see. This is it, that's all there is.
Of course I can. Any vessel with a power source can be made to hover above the earth. Without damage the solar panels can work indefinately.
NO the hadiths does not say that. By the way you are using a calculation given to by scientists without any real proof of the real distance. It's all guess work.
What are you talking about? As I've all you need is power.
There is no conspiracy. They were all taught by the same science books that you read. They grow up thinking like you do and follow the status quo. With regard to Prophet Muhammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) you would understand that the Qur'an is the Words of God and that Prophet Muhammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) is the final messenger and prophet to mankind if you had a little bit of guidance. It's not too late, if you sincerely pray and ask for guidance then you might just get it In Shaa Allah. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 14 July 2015 at 3:31am
Have you never seen the moon during the day? Ron get a map and calculate the distance of the east and the west from Mecca and you will find that the land mass of both are equal. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 14 July 2015 at 11:37am
Simple nonsense. 
http://www.kcvs.ca/martin/astro/au/unit1/41/Hippar.htm - Hipparchus calculated it as 410,000 km (within ten percent of the true figure), using nothing but naked eye observation and trigonometry.
But you didn't answer my questions. How can you demand proof from us when it plays no role in your own worldview? Where is your "concrete proof" for the theory of Islam?
No picture is necessary. If the earth is flat, then there is only one horizon. When the sun sets, it would set for the entire world, not just for the Americas or just for Sharjah.
I don't think you have any idea what NASA is or what it does. As I have told you several times now, NASA is not primarily responsible for our understanding of the world. It has certainly helped to fine-tune our knowledge (thanks to them we can measure the distance of the moon to within a few millimeters!), but we understood the basics of the solar system long before NASA existed.
The air pressure as a whole (not just oxygen) gets weaker as we go up. It's pretty easy to extrapolate this and see that in a few thousand miles there will be essentially no atmosphere.
Where are the edges of this flat earth? What happens if you fall off?
So why has no one marketed a solar powered helicopter by now?
Where is your proof about the fifty thousand years riding on a horse?
No, you also need a http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/propulsion/1-what-is-a-propellant.html - propellant -- something to push down so that the craft itself is pushed up. A solar powered helicopter would work by pushing down on the air -- but as we discussed above, at the height that satellites operate, the air becomes too thin to provide any support. You need a rocket of some sort, which means you need a propellant.
In other words, Muslims are all taught by the same religious books that you read. They grow up thinking like you do and follow the status quo. Whereas scientists are taught to regard all authorities skeptically, and not simply to follow the status quo. That's why we continually repeat past experiments, and think of new experiments, to confirm or refine our knowledge of the world. And that's why science makes progress, while religion does not.
I don't want "guidance". I want evidence.
Sure, but I've never seen it after it has set.
I would be interested in seeing your calculations. Is Antarctica west or east of Mecca? ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 15 July 2015 at 4:07am
That pic is of the sun in the arctic.
And you believe that calculation?
All I'm saying is that the current world view is false created by people who theorised and downright lied.
The earth is flat and shaped like an ostrich's egg. It's possible to have part of the earth in darkness and the other part in sunlight with a flat earth. As the sun moves along the earth becomes dark.
You love NASA because you still love their movies. You watch astounded when you see an animation about a fly-by or the robots deployed to Mars. LOL
That's what I'm saying but there is no dividing line. For example, the ozone layer doesn't exist.
The edges are the ice sheets that protect the oceans. If you fall off the you'll probably float in space forever.
Because the powers that be are preventing this as the oil barons have a few more years of power.
Religions doesn't need to progress. A person who does the basics and he has faith in his heart is enough. Whilst science imprisons man to follow a certain way, it's almost as if we are being controlled.
Look around you, the creation of the heavens and the earth is just one example of the evidence you are looking for. They did not come to existence by chance.
The moon does not set. It is always around.
Why? It is south. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 15 July 2015 at 2:50pm
The Sun is over head, or at least at it's highest at noon. This happens at different absolute times for each part of the Earth depending on how far east/west you are. That only makes sense if the Earth is rotating. The Sun is very high in the sky at noon if you live on the equator and not so high in the sky for me here in England. This only makes sense if the Earth is a sphere. The Moon also rises and falls like the Sun. It depends where it is in space and where you are on the Earth as to when you can see it. Would you like to set up an experiment where you can talk to one of us and compare where the Moon is over the phone? Also buy that telescope. �13 ebay. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 15 July 2015 at 9:59pm
No, it's the moon, although I can understand your confusion. http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2011/04/21/lyrid-meteors-give-earth-an-april-shower/ - As the photographer explained , "the moon was already much brighter than the surrounding landscape. In that situation, you either get a scene with a very overexposed moon or an excellent picture of the moon with no scene."
I don't need to "believe" the calculation. I can calculate it myself; and so can you, most likely. It's pretty simple stuff. Calling it "trigonometry" is a bit of an exaggeration. It's really just geometry, based on similar triangles. I am relying to some extent on his observation of the lunar eclipse, and his estimate that the earth's shadow is about 2.5 times the size of the moon. However, I have seen many lunar eclipses myself and have noticed the curvature of the shadow's edge. Next lunar eclipse I'll see if I can estimate it myself, but 2.5 sounds about right.
Still didn't answer the question. How do you know it is false? Where is your "concrete proof"?
An ostrich egg is not flat, so I have no idea what you're talking about here; but you might want to read http://en.islamtoday.net/node/667 - this article explaining the (false) association of the Quran verse 79:30 with an ostrich egg.
But it's not possible to have sunlight if the sun is below the horizon. If the earth is flat, then when the sun sets, it sets everywhere.
Ice sheets? I don't encounter ice sheets if I travel east or west. As a matter of fact, thanks to climate change I don't necessarily encounter ice sheets if I travel north in the summer. If I travel east long enough, I'll end up back where I started, right? Doesn't that prove the earth is round?
The computer you are using right now is the product of scientific progress. Does it imprison you? Or does it free you from tasks that you used to have to spend hours performing manually? Does it control you? Or does it empower you to offer your wisdom to people like me, half a world away?
There are countless billions of other "earths" out there that apparently serve no purpose whatsoever. It sure looks to me like they came into existence by chance. Why not this one as well?
You have watched it set, night after night, and yet you deny the evidence of your own eyes.  Does the sun set?
You were claiming that the Arabian Peninsula is the centre of the world, based on land masses east or west of Mecca. I gather you are ignoring Antarctica in your calculations because it is south. Are you also ignoring eastern Europe, which is north? How about the Scandinavian countries, which are thousands of miles north but a tiny bit west as well? How about Africa, which is mostly west but some of it is south? How do you decide which land masses to count? As I said, I would be interested in your calculations. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 16 July 2015 at 3:04am
Another NASA lie. There are only 7 Earths in 7 heavens.
The moon does not set.
The Arabian Peninsula is the centre of the world, and when you count the land mass this also includes all the Northern countries and Antarctica. Mecca is actually the centre of our Universe. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 16 July 2015 at 3:07am
Tim you wouldn't understand old boy because you've been brought up learning all the science books out there like Ron. So you'll aleays come with the same ole cr*p. You need to think outside the box. Throw away everything you've been taught and start using your own brain, not somebody else's. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 16 July 2015 at 4:44am
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Folks I think this discussion is a waste of time!
I would bet that AbuL never made it to the most basic understanding of Maths and Science at school. I think it is pointless trying to teach people that don't have the slightest desire to understand. I would even hypothesize that since he never made it really into life he looked for something that gave him stability and he found it in Islam, probably the most rigid of all modern religions. Trying to change that (or just to threaten his convictions by discomforting questions) is like asking a man that went astray and ended up in the desert to throw away his last bottle of water. Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 16 July 2015 at 9:44am
As far as I know NASA has never had anything to say about worlds beyond this solar system. Don't you feel even a little bit guilty about calling people liars, without any justification whatsoever? Is this really how you want to end Ramadan?
Where is your "concrete proof" of this? How would you feel if I called you a liar for making such a wild and unsubstantiated statement?
I asked if the sun sets, not the moon. And you know the answer to that because the Quran (18:86) says so. (It also says it sets in a "muddy spring", but I won't even go there.) My question is, when the sun sets, why is it not dark everywhere? It is always noon somewhere on the planet. How can that be, if the earth is flat and the sun has set?
Et tu, Abu. 
------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 17 July 2015 at 3:13am
OK as far as you know you know nothing about NASA. Would it surprise you if I said that it was controlled by NAZIS who were brought on board straight after WW2? So you've never seen the robots on Mars? Then say no more and keep quiet.
Yes to you it's unsubstantial but to me it's the truth.
The sun sets in the sense that it moves over the Earth and as an observer we would see that it is setting. As for it going under the Earth and prostrating under the Throne of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala it may be that it only last a few seconds or minutes. This is not impossible as we don't know the unseen nor the absolute Laws of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala.
Fair enough I can accept you not accepting the Qur'an as the Words of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala and the Hadiths of the Prophet (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam). As a non believer I can't help you any further than try to try and guide you but the ultimate guidance is from Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. God help you. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 17 July 2015 at 6:47am
About the only thing you could say that would surprise me is if you offered some actual evidence to support your claims.
Sure I have. I snapped this pic on my last vacation to the Red Planet: 
So you're saying that every day, somewhere on earth the sun disappears from the sky at midday for several seconds/minutes, and nobody notices?? When/where do you think this happens? At noon Sharjah time, or noon Winnipeg time, or at noon in some other location? As a friend of mine recently said, "You need to think outside the box. Throw away everything you've been taught and start using your own brain, not somebody else's." ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 17 July 2015 at 1:35pm
I ask you to go and buy a telescope so that you can look at the Moon better. I ask you to look at the real world. I have not told you to look at anything said by some great and good scientist. Just the real world. If you want to be honest in any way you need to compare you ideas with the real world. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 18 July 2015 at 3:17am
Go and check out the history of NASA and you will find that the main scientists involved in the development of NASA were ex-Nazis brought in to help because of their expertise (in rocket science) :)
Then stop talking nonsense.
You still don't understand. When the sun passes over the earth and disappears into the horizon the part that it has left behind will become dark (night) the land it approaches will become light (day) and when it reaches the end of it's cycle it prostrates under the throne of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala and appears at the other side again to start a new day. This could only be a matter of seconds.
I didn't think you had any friends, you come across as a closet nerd with just your pc for company.  ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 18 July 2015 at 8:32am
As you say, they were brought in because of their technical expertise in rocket science. They were involved in the development of rockets, not in the development of NASA. They certainly didn't control NASA. By the way, if you were a German rocket scientist during the war, you had no choice but to be a member of the Nazi party. It doesn't necessarily tell you anything about their ideology.
What, you don't believe me? You want, maybe, some evidence of my wild claims?
And during these few seconds, the entire planet is dark?
Not just the PC. I have you for company as well. Eid Mubarak, my friend! ========== P.S.: I loved Ray W's reply on https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100920132556AA1FFKX - answers.yahoo.com (with a link added for reference):
------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 19 July 2015 at 3:06am
Believe it or not you can see the Moon better with your nake eye from the Arabian Peninsular. It's as if the sky is a lot clearer than anywhere else in the world.
The world you are looking at is not the real world Timothy. This world is the one created by satan meaning that everythng we know abut this world is a lie. For example, the science and the disbelief in God Almighty that goes with it. Satan has been deciving the world since the beginning of time and man has been caught hook, line an sinker.
What can be more real than what is given to us by our creator? Our nafs or self are inclines towards evil and we all must fight or Jihad against this by trying to implement the Laws of God rather than the laws of satan. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 19 July 2015 at 3:12am
I agree to a certain extent but they had a greater influence later on in the life of NASA. Then everything they said was a lie.
No because the Sun appears at the other side in an instant. Don't forget only we are constrained by time, it doesn't exist outside of our realm.
Awwwww Ron now that we are friends I think I'll call you mo Ron. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 19 July 2015 at 5:00am
Evidence?
If time does not exist, then nothing can happen, because "happen" implies a succession of events in time: first the sun was not prostrating, then the prostration happened, then it was finished. While the prostration is happening, the earth must be dark everywhere. To argue otherwise is to admit that the prostration doesn't happen.
By the way, I may not have regular access to a computer for the next couple of weeks. So don't think I'm ignoring you out of spite or something. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 19 July 2015 at 8:59am
You are just making this jibberish up. If you get a telescope and look at the Moon you will see that the mountains on it cast shadows. These shadows get longer as the surface of the Moon gets closer to the line of the day/night boundary on the Moon just like they do on Earth as dusk approaches. This shows that the Moon is a sphere. You will see no clouds on the Moon. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 21 July 2015 at 3:41am
Timothy come down to UAE and see for yourself as you are one of those faithless people who needs proof. You will see things clearly. :) ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 23 July 2015 at 3:23am
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Wednesday 22 July 2015
I got to the spot at 09:55 PM and the moon was almost half but not quiet. At 10:15 PM the moon's light began to dim. At 10:30 PM the moon's light disappeared completely but the outline of the moon is still there. About 5 - 10 mins later it disappeared completely. So this event was not unique to Ramadan. It seems to me that this event occurs during the 5th and 6th of the Hijri (Islamic) calendar. Those who are not aware the 1st of the month is calculated if there is a perfect crescent. The Islamic calendar has 30 days. On a separate note, the moon has a black cloud like substance that covers it. This is how we get the crescent, half moon etc. When this withdraws to the other side of the moon, we get a full moon. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 24 July 2015 at 3:11am
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Thursday 23 July 2015
10:45 PM The moon began to lose it's light. 11:15 PM The moon disappeared completely. Photos to follow In Shaa Allah. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 24 July 2015 at 6:17am
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What about the stars, especially the ones near the moon? Do they continue to shine normally while the moon dims, or does the entire region of the sky become dim? ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 25 July 2015 at 2:59am
I've told you before but you didn't believe me. You can only see one or to stars even on a clear sky. The sky is devoid of stars in the Arabian Peninsula for some reason. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 25 July 2015 at 4:02am
Is the view of the Moon different from the UAE than it is from Jordan? I have watched the Moon set there. Most beautiful desert I have ever been in. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 26 July 2015 at 11:09am
I don't know as I've never been to Jordan, but I have been to Sheffield and you can see jack sh**t from there. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 26 July 2015 at 11:34am
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PICS for Thursday 23 July 2015
Notice how the moon's light becomes dim, then disappears. http://postimg.org/image/ov2wwt119/5cda83b4/ http://postimg.org/image/ir9zjgu4d/ http://postimg.org/image/b6e6h9fq7/fddb2942/ http://postimg.org/image/avai9s0zz/4171418c/ http://postimg.org/image/6nfq10zkf/3afe9821/ http://postimg.org/image/yiknpdl3j/b75e279c/ http://postimg.org/image/rnkwlnjg5/72ebc9a8/ ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 26 July 2015 at 11:44am
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PICS for Friday 24 July 2015
http://postimg.org/image/5e1zbnlub/ac7cf4ba/ http://postimg.org/image/c88jwxiyr/987df5fe/ http://postimg.org/image/5mvtx6343/9cf2e694/ THIS IS HOW THE MOON SHOULD BE....VERY BRIGHT! http://postimg.org/image/hi4qsbl4h/e606a73f/ THEN IT LOSES IT'S LIGHT! http://postimg.org/image/h9762e8c1/3f3dc1c2/ http://postimg.org/image/y54q85rur/fabe957a/ http://postimg.org/image/vxh6y9v05/2ad33b40/ http://postimg.org/image/vftwhomb5/eaaf5537/ http://postimg.org/image/bxzredhx3/6cb27b03/ ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 26 July 2015 at 11:47am
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Moon covered by clouds
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Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 26 July 2015 at 11:50am
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Gone Fishin
http://postimg.org/image/u62grywqd/7b55b9f6/ http://postimg.org/image/9vphkhl0l/507bd0bf/ ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |