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Topic: Hadith
Posted By: Lachi
Subject: Hadith
Date Posted: 05 May 2014 at 5:21pm
| When did scholars stop searching for hadiths? Was there a point when people decided it was no longer possible to discover any more unrecorded ones? |
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 7:33am
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Studies in Early Hadith Literature; Al-Azami - Phd, Cambridge Univ.
http://www.abc.se/home/m9783/ir/d2/shla_e.pdf |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 10:41am
Lachi before you get into your 20 Question Game this is my overstanding of Hadith Nomore Noless ,
To overstand Hadith one have to know the meaning of the word Hadith ,
ParTwo Hadiyth's come from the word Hadatha meaning '' Existence , Began To Be ; Had A Beginning , Began , Or Originated , Existed Newly For The First Time'' , Its Plural is Ahaadith -arabic - . Ahaadiyth are supposedly records of actions , Utterances and Customs of The Prophet Mustafa Muhammad Al Amin ( Pbuh ) , And action done in his presence and the presence of his companions . As the Holy Qur'aan didn't give details on certain practical matters . The faithful . The followers of The Prophet Mustafa Muhammad Al Amin ( Pbuh ) , Relied on the example of The Prophet Mustafa Muhammad Al Amin ( Pbuh ) , thus ,When confronted with a situation in which a certain decision was necessary .
Men would relate what The Prophet Mustafa Muhammad Al Amin ( Pbuh ) ,did in the same or similar case . The most reliable narrator's account would be Accepted . As time went on , Many such Narrations were Collected and Written Down by serveral Writers , Hence , Forthforming Patterns for Future Generations , Men Seeking to Advance their Own Ideas and Cause Disunity in The Communities . Also Produced their own Version of Hadiyth. It became necessary to record the Ahaadiyth according to the Reliability of both the Narrator and the Transmitter .
The Authenticity of Transmission became an Entirely Separate Subject and even in this , There were still Many Disagreement . In all the Hadiyth has caused much Sectism in Islaam ; and the Holy Qur'aan itself even states , '' Not To Form Into Sects , ( The Holy Qur'aan 6 ; 159 ) and The Holy Qur'aan Is The Best Hadiyth , ( The Holy Qur'aan 4 ; 87-91 ) .
The Holy Qur'aan 6 ; 159 , Reavealed In The Year 621 A.D. Al Anaam ( The Cattle ) , Says ; Surely , those who divided their Diyn 'Mean Of Judgement' and became many Shiya'aan Things ( Sunni , Sh'ite , Wahhabi , Tajaani , Ahmadiyyah , Bah'i , Moorish Americans , Nation Of Islaam , Etc Etc ) You should not be of Any of Them in the things they became . Surely , all their affairs are with Allah , Then he will inform them of what they did .
The Holy Qur'aan ( The Source Has The Best Of Hadiyth's ) , 4 ; 87-91 , Revealed In The Year 625 - 627 A.D. Says ; The Source , Allah , No Ilaaha ( Allahs ) 'Source Would Exist , Except By Way Of Hum ( Hu -The Creative Force Of Will ) , He Will Gather You All , Unto A Day Of Resurrection . There Is No Doubt In It , And Who Is More Asadaqu 'Truthful', Than Allahs Hadiyth Tales , Verse 88 . So , What Is The Matter With You All ? ( After Returning From The Battle If Uhud , The Enosites Were Divided About Due To The Hypocrites ) . So , What Is The Matter With You , In Relation To The Hypocrites ? You Have Become Two Parts , And The Source , Allah Has Reversed Them For What They Have Earned . Do You Want To Calm Those Who The Source , Allah Adalla 'Leads Into Error ? And Whomsoever , Allah Leads Into Error , So By No Means , Will You Find For Him A Path . ( He Will Find No Way To Avoid The Source ) . Verse 89 . They Want You To Be Concealers Of The Truth , As They Are Concealers Of The Truth , So That You Both May Be Equal . Therefore Don't Take Near Friends From Amongst Them Until They Flee Home - ( Turn To The Source ) , In The Path Of Allah ; So , If They Turn Back Them Capture Them , And You Are To Kill Them , As You Have Found Them ; And Don't Take Any Near Friends , Or Any Aider ( From Them Other Than The Peaceful Ones , Muslims ', They Are Not To Be Trusted , Until They Become Muslims , And Don't Ask Them For Anything ) . Verse 90 . Except For Those , Who Joins To A Kindred , Between You All , And Between Them ; There Is a Miythaaq 'Fulfillment Of A Promise ' , Or Came To You All With Their Chest Shrinking , That Kills You All , Or Kills Their Own Kindred . And If It Pleases Them Source , Allah , He Would Have Given Them Authoritive Power , Over You All , So They Would Have Indeed Killed You All . So If They Withdraw From You , So They Do Not Kill You And Offer You Al Salama 'Peace', So Then The Source , Allah Has Made A Path For You All , Over Them . Verse 91 . Shorthly , You Will Find Others , Who Want To Be Safe From You , And From Their Own Kindred ( Arab Tribes During Muhammads Time ) And As Often As They Return To The The Test ( Temptation ) , They Plunge Into It , ( Head On ) . Therefore , If They Do Not Withdraw From You , ( Trying To Stop You Muhammad ) ,And Don't Seek Peace ( Al Islam In That Day ) . And Don't Restrain Their Hands ( Stop Attacking You Physically ) Then Seize Them And Kill Them ( You Can Only Fight Them If They Attack You First ) . Wherever You Find Them , And These Are You ; Whom We The Heavenly Host Have Given Clear Sultaanaan 'Authoritive Power .
The Holy Qur'aan 4 ; 42 , 78 , 140 , Reavealed In The Year 621 A.D. Al Anaam ( The Cattle ) , Says ; And indeed , We The Heavenly Host sent ones sent to a nation - ( Israelites , Ya'aqobs children ) , from before you , ( Mujammad ) , so We ( The Heavenly Host ) , took them by way of Baasaa-i 'Suffering and Al Darraa-i 'Distress , so that perhaps they will Yatadarraa -uwna 'Humble Themselves . ( 78 ) . So when saw Al Sham 'The Sun Baazighatan 'Appering To Rise , he said 'This is my Rabb . This is the Akbaru 'Biggest One . So when it Afalat 'Appeared To Set ' he said ''O my kindred , Surely , I am clear of what you Tushrkuwn 'Associate Partners ( with other deities ) . ( 140 ) . And indeed those ( Enosites ) , who kill their children are truly in a state of loss ; they are fools , and without any knowldge , and they have made Haramu 'Unlawful , Forbidden the very Razaqahum 'Provisions from Allah , and they make up lies upon Allah . They have indeed gone astrayed , ( into error ) and they are not lead into calmmness .
The Holy Qur'aan 6 ; 68 ,Reavealed In The Year 621 A.D. Says ; And when you have seen those who Yakhuwduwna 'Talk Bad , ( saying the scriptures are tampered with - talking about Our Heavenly Host verses ( of all the scriptures , and tables ) then turn away from them until they start to engage in Hadiyth 'Tales , other than that , and if the ( Evil One ) , Satan , ( Nakhash , the evil one ) , causes you to forget ; then don't sit after Al Dhikraa 'The Remembrance , with the kinddred , who are in Al Zaalimiyna 'The States Of Unhustness .
The Holy Qur'aan 12 ; 6 ,Reavealed In The Year 620 A.D.Yosafe ( Joseph ) Says , And He , Rabb chooses you , ( Yosafe ) and teaches you from interpretation of ( the written records ) the Ahadiyth 'Tales ( Hadiths ) and He complets His grace upon you , and on the descendants of Ya'aqob like He , completed upon your forefathers from before - Abrawhawm and Yitschaq . Surely , your Rabb , is Aliymun 'Knowing , Most Hakiymun 'Wise .
The Holy Qur'aan 51 ; 26 ,Reavealed In The Year 613 A.D. Says ; So then He ( Abrawhawm ) turened around to his Ahl 'Family (Sarah ) , 'So she ( Sarah ) came with a Ljlin 'Calf Samiyn Fat .
The Holy Qur'aan 68 ; 44 ,Reavealed In The Year 611 A.D. Al Qalam ( The Quill ) Or Nun (Nuwr ; Light ) , Says ; So leave me , with those who deny by this Hadiyth - the Tale of ( Ghaalib , of the township of Saria and his three sons ) , so We Heavenly Host will gradually overtake them , ( the Desert Arabs - Meccans ) , from Hayth 'Where they will not know .
The Holy Qur'aan does say , Its The Best Hadith , And To GO BACK To those who read The Scriptures Before Muhammad When In Doubt Or Uncertainty .
The Holy Qur'aan 39 ; 23 , Revealed In The Year 618 A.D. Says ; The Source , Allah has sent down the Ahsana 'Best of Al Hadiythi 'The Hadiyth , tales ( The Qur'aan ) , Kitaabaan 'A Scriptures , Mutashaab-ihaan 'Looking Like it's Mathaaniya 'A Second One . It makes the Juluwdu 'Leathery Skins of those who dread their ''Sustainer , who is Rabb tremble ; them it makes their Juluwd 'Leathery Skin and hearts Taliynu 'Tender to the remembrance of The Source Allah . That is the leading calmness of The Source Allah . He leads into calmness whom He pleases and whoever , The Source Allah leads astray into error , there is not a calmness for him .
The Holy Qur'aan 6 ; 14 , [ Revealed In The Year 621 A.D. Says ; Should I ( Muhammad ) desire a judge other than Allah and he it is who sent down to all the Scriptures ( Al Qur'aan ) fully detained . And Those ( The Apostles ) whom we ( Allah And The Angelic Beings ) gave the ( Scriptures) .They know that it was sent down from your sustainer ( Allah ) in undisputed truth ; So don't be of those who dispute it .
The Holy Qur'aan 3 ; 84 [ Revealed In The Year 625 - 627In A.D. ] ASays ; Say ( Muhammad ) ; We ( Me And My True Followers ) Have faith in Allah and what he has sent down Abraham ( 10 Pages Of Suhuf ) and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes ( Israelites And Ishmaelites ) ; And What was given to Moses ( At Tawraah - arabic - ( The Torah ) 5 Books of Moses ) Kitaabu Barnaabba ( Gospel Of Barnabas ) 222 Books of Joses , son of Joseph . And Jesus [ Al Injiyl ( The Evangel , Revelation ) 22 Books Of The Messiah Jesus ] And The News Bearers ( Prophets Isaiah , Jeremiah , Ezekiel , Daniel , Hosea , Joel , Amos , Obadah , Jonah , Micah , Nahum . Habakkuk , Zephaniah , Haggai . Zechariah , Malachi ) . From their sustainer ( Allah ) ( Like The Zabuwr Of David And The Wisdom By Luqmaan ) ; We don't make and ( Distinction ) Between any of them ( Prophets And Scriptures ) And we are to him ( Allah ) The Peaceful Ones ( Muslims ) .
The Holy Qur'aan 2 ; 143 [ Reavealed In The Year 624 - 626 A.D. Says ; And thus we ( Allah And The Angelic Beings ) Made YOU ( The People After Muhammad ) A neutral nation ( Believing In All The Scripturews Not Just One ) So that you will be a witness over the prople , And the one sent ( Muhammad The Apostle ) would be a witness over you all and the only reason we ( Allah And The Angelic Beings ) changed the direction of worship ( Qiblah . From Jerussalem To Mecca ) is so that we ( Allah And The Angelic Beings ) will know who follows the one sent ( Muhammad The Apostle ) from those ( The So-Called jews In Medinah ) who turn back on his heels ( Stop Following All The Scriptues ) . And surely it was a difficult test ( Following All The Scriptures ) Except for those who Allah Guided and Allah was not neglectful yo you ( Children Of Israel ) In your faith . Surely Allah is kind and merciful yo all people .
The Holy Qur'aan 31 ; 6 [ Reavealed In The Year 619 A.D. Says ; And of the people , There are those who buy instead of it ( The Holy Qur'aan ) The ( Hadiyth - Tales ) for amusement and in order to Lead People from the light into the darkness off the path of Allah without even any knowledge ; And they takes it ( The Holy Qur'aan ) as mockery , For these shall be a disgraceful pain ,
The Holy Qur'aan 2 ;79 [ Reavealed In The Year 624 - 626 A.D. Says ; So woe unto those who write the Scriptures with their own hands ( Traditions ) then they say ; This is from allah , So that they may sell it for a ( Small Price ) . So woe to them for what is written by their own hands . And woe to them for what they earn thereby .
The Holy Qur'aan 10 ; 94 Reavealed In The Year 620 A.D. Says ; So if you ( Muhammad ) are in distrust , ( Uncertain ) about that which We The Heavenly Host have sent down to you ; so ( Muhammad ) ask those who read the Scriptures , From Before You - ( The Torah of Mosheh , The Prophet Aharown , And The Apostle Joshua ) , Indeed the facts from your Rabb , who is ''Master has come to you , and don't you ( Muhammad ) be of the ones who Mumtar 'Opposes .
The Holy Qur'aan 2 ; 136 Reavealed In The Year 624 - 626 A.D.Saya Tell them this ( Muhammad ) We , ( Muhammad ) and his followers have faith in Allah , and what He sent down to us , ( The Qur'aan ) and what he sent down to Abrawhawn and Yishmael and Yitschaq , and Ya'aqob and the tribes and what was given to Mosheh ( The Torah ) and Isa - ( the Revelation , and what was given to the Anbiyaa 'Newsbearers from their Rabb 'Masters , we ( Muhammad ) and his followers do not Nufarriqu 'Make Any Distinction between any of them and we Muslimuwm 'Surrender In Peace 'to him .
The Holy Qur'aan 2 ; 2-4 Reavealed In The Year 624 - 626 A.D. Say ; This Book is a scriptures no doubt about that ; inside of it there is leading calmness to those who tremble . (3 ) . These are they who are faithful to what is unseen , and they get up to perform salutation as worship ; and of the things We Heavenly Host have provided for them , they share willingly . ( 4 ) . These are they who are faithful to what was sent down to you , ( Muhammad ) , and what was sent ( Before your time , That Is The Other Scriptures ) , And in Al Akhir ''The End ' they will certainly be propsperous .
The Holy Qur'aan 3 ; 3 Reavealed In The Year 625 - 627 A.D. , Says ; He Nazala 'Sent Down on you ( Muhammad ) Al Kitaab 'The Scripture ( Qur'aan Bi-Al Haqqi 'With The Facts ( beyond and doubt ) , Musaddiqaan 'Confirming what is between Yadayhi 'His Hands . ( These are scriptures before the Qur'aan ) and Anzala 'He Sent Down Al Tawraat ''The Torah and Al Injiyl 'The Evangel ( send down the Injiyl but gave it to Isa .
The Holy Qur'aan 5 ; 68 , Reavealed In The Year 627 - 629 A.D. Says ; Tell them this ( Muhammad )''O Ahl 'Family of Al Kitaab 'The Scriptutes , you are not on anything ( you have no grounds ) , until you Tuqiymuw 'Stand Up ( keep up ) the Torah - ( the Law - 5 Books Of Mosheh , The Prophet Aharown , And The Apostle Yehowshuwa , Mosheh's Successor ) , and the Injiyl Evangel , Revelation and what has been sent down to you ( Muhammad , the Qur'aan ) from your Rabb , who is Master / Sustainer , and will increase many of them in transgreeing , and make them concealers of that they know to be the facts , of what was sent to you from your Rabb 'Sustainer , who are the concealers of what they know to be the facts .
The Holy Qur'aan 5 ; 46 , Reavealed In The Year 627 - 629 A.D. Says ; And We Heavenly Host caused to follow in their footsteps , Isa Ibn 'Adopted Son of Miriam , Musaddiqaan 'Confirming what was between Yadayhi 'His Hands from Al Tawraat ''The Torah' ( the law ) and we Heavenly Host Aataynaahu 'Gave Him Al Injil 'The Revealtions ( 22 books of Isa which was revealed to Yowchanawn , son of Zabdiy / Zebedee , who wrote it down and gave it to Isa , in which there is Hudaan 'Leading Calmness and Nuwrun 'Light , and Musaddiqaan 'Confirming what is already Bayna 'Between Yadayhi 'His Hands , Min 'From Al Tawraat 'The Torah ( the law ) , and a Hudaan 'Leading Calmness and Maw'idhatan 'An Admonition , for those who tremble at the mention .
Nowhere does it say go to Ahaadiyth Or Commentaries . This show how Some Muslims don't follow what The Holy Qur'aan Teaches and follow The Traditions and Tales of Men like . Al Bukhaari , Abu Dawud , Muslim , Tirmidhi called Ahaadiyth . Which way did Allahu Subhaanahu Wa Ta'Ala say to go for Guidance ? Forward to Ahaadiyh or ( Back To The Scriptures of Old ? You be the judge .
Also any Ahaadiyth or Commentaries that not back up with The Holy Qur'aan / Allah , Should not be accept . But to each His's / Her own things . ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Lachi wrote:Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 10:56am
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[QUOTE=abuayisha]Studies in Early Hadith Literature; Al-Azami - Phd, Cambridge Univ. http://www.abc.se/home/m9783/ir/d2/shla_e.pdf%5b/QUOTE - http://www.abc.se/home/m9783/ir/d2/shla_e.pdf[/QUOTE ] Studies in Early Hadith Literature; Al-Azami - Phd, Cambridge Univ. < These people are the cause of Disunity in The Muslim Communities in the Islam world meaning all these socalled Religious Scholar's Theologian Phd's Etc etc are only giveing their diffrent Opinion / Version of what the Prophet Mustafa Muhammad Al Amin ( Pbuh ) Said / did , While he was here on Earth . ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Lachi
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 2:10pm
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"My Lord! Enrich me with knowledge.." (Surat Taha:114)
Thank you for your answers. With respect, I did mean only authentic hadiths. |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 3:46pm
The Holy Qur'aan 114 , Revealed In The Year 616 A.D. Al Naas ( The Mortal , Where It States , And I Quote ;
Bismillaahir - Rahmaanir - Rahiim .
Begin All Things With The Illustrious Name Of Allah The Yielder , The Most Mercuful .
Verse 1 . Qul'a-uuzu bi - Rabbin -Naas ,
( O Seal of the Prophet of Allah [ Muhammad ] by the supreme sovereignty of your Sustainer and Creator ( Allah ) , Who is the Provider of all things , say ; I seek protection in the Sustainer of all the people .
Verse 2 . Malikin-Naas ,
The King of all People .
Verse 3 . Illaahin -Naas
''The Creative and Intellectual of all people .
Verse 4 . Min-sharril Waswaasil -khan -Naas .
''From the evil of the whispering Demon ( Al Khanaas .
Verse 5 . 'Allazii yuwas - wisu fii suduu-rin -Naasi ,
Who whispers evil and doubt into the chest ( hearts ) of people ( and Hastens to pervert them .
Verse 6 . Minal -Jinnati wan - Naas .
''He is from peopleb , or from the seed of the Devil ; the Jinn.
Trust In Allah The Supreme .  ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 7:43am
Marhaban Bika - You're Welcome Lachi ... ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 15 May 2014 at 8:02am
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Ques ; For http://www.islamicity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=75297&FID=29 - Lachi http://www.islamicity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=51697&FID=29 - abuayisha According to christianity Doctrine / Teaching , Christain cliam that the Prophet / Messiah Isa , Yashu'a son of Maryam (Pbuh ) speaking in the Bible . How can this be when These Hadith's were written many years after the Prophet / Messiah Isa , Yashu'a son of Maryam (Pbuh ) had left the Earth , The Synoptic Gospel - 3 Ahaadith , Plural Hadith
Hadith of Matthew 41 A.D. 8 Years After the supppsed Crucifixion ....
Hadith of Mark 65 A.D. 32 Years After the supppsed Crucifixion ...
Hadith of Luke 58 A.D. 25 Years After the supppsed Crucifixion ...
------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Lachi
Date Posted: 16 May 2014 at 3:03pm
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Al Saadiqeen 21 - your question has nothing to do with my OP, but I will give you one teaching.
People can remember, or can make notes of what is said, before the need to write them down in narrative form arrives. Your own memory can tell you that you remember many things from the past with clarity. But equally there are things you can not remember very well, or things you think you remember but are in error about. This is the flaw with Hadiths, from whichever religion; this is a flaw of human nature without the guiding hand of God. |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 16 May 2014 at 9:10pm
Those are you Ideal's / Though's , It have nothing to do with me , personally I see the as play on works nothing more . ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Lachi
Date Posted: 17 May 2014 at 11:37am
| Yes. I said it was only one teaching. Yours is another. I'm not placing one above the other. |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 17 May 2014 at 12:10pm
I see Your post as nothing but play on words nothing more , Why your wasteing your time is beyond me !!!!! ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: TG12345
Date Posted: 17 May 2014 at 9:56pm
Lachi may be "wasting his time" trying to reason with you, but here's something you can do that wouldn't be a waste- take an English course, and brush up on your spelling and grammar. It will make your posts (a bit) less of a joke to everyone else reading them. The words Your and Why should begin with a lowercase letter, since they are in the middle of a sentence, and are not the names of any person, place or thing. T your in this context should be spelled you're- you are trying to write you are. "wasteing" is not a word. The word you are trying to write is wasting. |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 18 May 2014 at 6:17am
You know what I find so funny ,It people like you who have been to these socall keyword so-called Institution of learning . see themselves above other's , When in fact they're only passing what was pass on to them . From these so-called Professor , Who Pro-fess to know things ,
When in fact these so-call Professor are only passing on to you which was pass on to them
 . And your passing these same things on to our children of today , This is sad  . When you hear people speaking English , You are Trained to Think Englishman , When in fact all these coutry's like Americans etc . Who are speaking English , Are not speaking English which is spoken in English and Europe ,
American / other coutry's are speaking a very bad Dialect of broken English , And in fact are Speaking an Unintelligent Slang that make it very hard for them to learn another tongue .
And this was the plan to keep people from Knowing / Learning their own Ancient Language . Of their culture way of life .
I can speak three diffrent language , And I don't mean a Dialect either . You speak of my English right . You can't Speak / Read / Write the language your own Scriptures were written in .
And you give this weak excuse . That you don't have to know the language of the scriptures you believe in / overstand them. Any real Teacher . Scholars , Theologian etc will tell you the key to Overstanding your Bible is the original language it was written in , Because it not Greek / Latin nor English .
You call yourself a Teacher . And you Teach children . This is sad
TG12345 < Your steping to the wrong one . By the way where did the English language come from do you know ???
------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: TG12345
Date Posted: 18 May 2014 at 7:26am
I don't believe or see myself as above anyone else.
I question many things I learned at university. A lot of it I accept, some I reject. I don't teach children what my professors taught me, since the grade 1-12 curriculum is not taught at university. That is what schools are for.
I actually speak more than one language fluently.
Good for you. How come you are posting personal information online? Didn't you earlier say not to do that?
No, and I don't need to. They are clear enough as they are.
The message is pretty clear even if you don't speak the language. Do you believe every Muslim is fluent in Arabic?
Why is it sad? Think you could do a better job? I would love to see you try to survive in a middle years classroom.
It comes from previous European languages. Most of the influence is Germanic and Norse. http://www.merriam-webster.com/help/faq/history.htm |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 18 May 2014 at 8:00am
I don't understand the problem. The Muslim hadith were also written many years after Muhammad died. If they were written before the life of the person they were quoting, that that would be a problem. But after?  ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 18 May 2014 at 8:13am
I can tell you have not read my post on Hadith's Posted: 06 May 2014 at 10:41am Maybe you should check it out . Read the whole post in order to overstand where I stand when it come to Hadith'ss ok ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 18 May 2014 at 8:32am
I did read it, actually. It doesn't answer my question. You asked "how can this be?" It can easily be. Why does it surprise you that stories of a prophet's life are written down decades or even centuries after?
You seem to be saying that the hadith are unreliable and should not be regarded as doctrine. I agree, but most Muslims would not; which is why I was curious to learn more about your opinions. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 18 May 2014 at 9:12am
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http://www.islamicity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71711&FID=29 - TG12345 < don't believe or see myself as above anyone else. < Stop it .
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71711&FID=29 - TG12345 < I question many things I learned at university. A lot of it I accept, some I reject.< Wrong , If you didn't accept everything where did you Buy Your License At ?
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71711&FID=29 - TG12345 I actually speak more than one language fluently.< And you can't Read / Write / Speak language of your scriptures you believe in . Now that speaks VOLUME'SS , Oh that right their no need to know the language Lolololo .
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71711&FID=29 - TG12345 < Good for you. How come you are posting personal information online? Didn't you earlier say not to do that? < What so personal about knowing how to speak another language beside scriptures Duhhhh
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71711&FID=29 - TG12345 No, and I don't need to. They are clear enough as they are. < Are saying the children you cliam to teach , Don't have spelling word to look up / meaning of these words ?? Ok
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71711&FID=29 - TG12345 The message is pretty clear even if you don't speak the language. Do you believe every Muslim is fluent in Arabic? < Wrong again , When you read my post you can see the tools I'm useing So one will have and overstanding of what the scriptures are saying in the language their scriptures were wtitten in , Meaning , Lexical Aids for Old / New Testament , Concordance , String's Dictionaries , For Aramic / Arabic / Greek , King James Keword Study Bible / Qur'aan . Again you being a teacher you should know these things , And should be useing them also . 90% of the Christian / Muslims world can not Read / Write / Speak in the language of their scriptures . I have said this many time before . This way most here can not deal with my post , So they come with all these attack / insult / excuse just like you do . they're like children they can't agree to disagree they have to be right all the time .
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71711&FID=29 - TG12345 < Why is it sad? Think you could do a better job? I would love to see you try to survive in a middle years classroom. < If I were at your school their would be a opening and you would be gone .
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71711&FID=29 - TG12345 < It comes from previous European languages. Most of the influence is Germanic and Norse. http://www.merriam-webster.com/help/faq/history.htm - http://www.merriam-webster.com/help/faq/history.htm < another website LOLOL how do you know this is not another mistake ??? ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 18 May 2014 at 9:25am
I don't give Opinions nor my version / school of thought . The Holy Qur'aan says it the best Hadiyth's . Meaning any Hadiyth's that's not back up with the Holy Qur'aan are nothing but words of men not of Allah .
Hadiyth's is the cause of all - Disunity in the Muslims Communites today All Hadiyth's are not bad . This is how I know you didn't read the whole post .
With no disrespect when reading my post one should read the whole post , picking out certain parts of my post doesn't change the whole post . ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Lachi
Date Posted: 18 May 2014 at 10:02am
So you think sharing ideas is a waste of time? You think discussion is a waste of time? You think mutual respect is a waste of time? Al Saadiqeen21, you do not belong on a discussion forum. You require a pulpit to preach from. But I guess everywhere shut their doors on you and you are reduced to spouting forth solely on the internet, where hiding behind insults and disrespect is an easy way of ignoring criticism or attempts at discussion. Allah have Mercy on you. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 18 May 2014 at 10:35am
It is only your opinion that the Quran is authoritative; and quoting the Quran to prove the authority of the Quran is of no help. Your opinion is shared by about a billion other people, of course; but never forget that far more people don't believe it than those who do.
I didn't say that all hadiths are bad, and neither did you. But we need to rely on scholars to decide which hadith are authentic and which are not. Therefore the authority of the hadith ultimately rests on the authority of men.
With no disrespect, you should keep your posts shorter if you want people to read them carefully and avoid misunderstanding. Less is more. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 18 May 2014 at 2:27pm
Let me some it up for you here ok , Because we're leading from the subject of this post . Plus wasteing time , and I'm not really into Testimony
You can read my post , You don't have to read my post , You can agree or disagree with my post , I'm not here to convert anyone , I'm only shareing like everyone else here , Nomore Noless.
You and a few other here Need these socalled Religious Scholar's , Theoligian's , Minister , Imaams Etc , I don't need them I can research things on my own . Plus I can think for myself . Also these socalled Religious Scholar's , Theoligian's , Minister , Imaams Etc . Is the cause of all the problem's / disunity in the world . Plus it breeds Hatred , Separation , Ignorance , and the many War's on the planet
They're all writeing for a certain school of thought , for the diffrent Sect and Denomination of the three major religion , which are Islam , Moses-ism , Christianity . and all the Sub-groups that came from them . By whatever name they call themselves . They're only given their Version / Opinions , for school of thought they 're writeing for . nomore , noless
AS if God can make mistakes < This is the funny part that funny to me . ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 18 May 2014 at 2:43pm
Come-ing from some one who plays Tricknowldge / Question which only leads away from the post , Throws rocks and then trys to hide your hands , get out of here , You got joke . ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 18 May 2014 at 5:14pm
Funny thing about your Favorite website's , They never tell the full story . They also know you would believe anything your told , ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: TG12345
Date Posted: 18 May 2014 at 7:43pm
So what is the full story? Where does the English language come from? |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 19 May 2014 at 1:37am
Your teacher and you teach children and you don't know the full Story keyword here Story , Do you also copy and paste from the website to teach to your Student's . If so I feel sorry for them  Why don't you create a post asking where did the English language come from . Maybe I'll answer it . After I see all the diffrent excuses people here will give . Not to change the subject here I notice islamispeace and you love the Website you copy and paste from website . Do either of you ever read your scriptures , The Hadiyth's writes really control your thought's don't they . ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 19 May 2014 at 8:56am
I agree. I don't know if you noticed that I listed my religion as "Humanist". Specifically, I am a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism - secular humanist . I don't need religious scholars etc. either. But I'm still puzzled about your views. You quote extensively from the Quran, and yet you chose "none" for your religion. So you're not Muslim? ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 19 May 2014 at 9:48am
I have to
when ever I'm ask this question , Because most people are looking for a way to label one , When it come to religion .I'm studying / reseraching three major religion which are , Islam , Mose-ism , Christ-ism . Sect / denomination by whatever they call themselves , I have some knowldge of all three . http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27228 - As Salaamu Alaykum You speak of me quoteing Scriptures '' Yes'' One should be able to back up their Religious belief's with their Holy Book , Be it the Qur'aan or Bible . other then that I see them as Hadiyth's/ Story-lines = words of Men and Women . Without scriptures . And I don't accept them . And few here get up set because I don't accept them . These people are createing a new form of religion today , without scriptures .
Also Let not forget this is Islam forum ''Yes'' Then Muslims should use their Holy Books / Qur'aan , And if they're going to use Hadiyth's then the holy qur'aan should back up that Hadiyth's . I never said when it come to Islam that all Hadiyth's are bad , They're Agreeable and Disagreeable . Hadiyth's .And yes they should still be back up with the Holy Qur'aan .
Also I don't put any religion above another . This game is for children . Meaning by GOD is better then your GOD Sillyness .
I'm also not into this Left / Right Wing crap , Meaning it just another way for the powers that be to label others and control them .
------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 19 May 2014 at 12:35pm
Okay, I'll ask the question differently. Do you believe that the Quran contains the literal words of Allah, spoken to Mohammad?
Are you one of those people, creating a new form of religion without scriptures?
Obviously I don't believe in any of this stuff, but I do think that if Muslims were to obey only the Quran, and treat the Hadith as mere "stories", they would be much better off. Muhammad actually told his followers several times that they should write down only the Quran, and not anything else that he said. It seems clear to me that only the Quran was meant to last forever, and that Muhammad never intended his own commands to apply beyond his own time. His habits of eating, praying, washing, etc., made sense for him and his contemporaries, but they are hopelessly outdated now. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 19 May 2014 at 1:04pm
Did you read this > http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27228 - As Salaamu Alaykum No you didn't !
I'm not reading your post of Hadiyth's ... Nor an I geting lock into the 20 Humanism question game ok .
------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 19 May 2014 at 3:17pm
Yes I did, actually. It doesn't say much, beyond a promise to "agree to disagree respectfully".
My questions had nothing to do with humanism. I would like to know if you believe that the Quran contains the literal words of Allah. If you don't want to answer, that's fine, but there isn't much point in discussion if you're not willing to explain your views.------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 19 May 2014 at 3:31pm
Did you read this > http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27228 - As Salaamu Alaykum No you didn't ! You pick out part you like , Read everyword
I'm not reading your post of ( Hadiyth's .) .. Nor an I geting lock into the 20 Humanism question game ok .
------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 19 May 2014 at 5:01pm
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Okay, either you're not interested in discussion, or you just failed the Turing Test. Whatever. I give up.
Alaykum salaam. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 19 May 2014 at 5:36pm
either you're not interested in discussion, or you just failed the Turing Test. < You're really full of yourself  So your the test Engineer . What a ego you have ------------- One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive . |