Sighting Possibilities for Shawwal 1426
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Posted By: rami
Subject: Sighting Possibilities for Shawwal 1426
Date Posted: 01 November 2005 at 10:15pm
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem assalamu alaikum The following is used to indicate where in the world the moon can be seen from, it must still be seen by human eye as shariah law states.
Click to find out " http://moonsighting.com/vc-instruc.html" target=" - How to Read the Visibility Map " Remember: If some one claimed sighting at a location and people west of that location (within the visibility parabola) did not see the moon on the same date then that claim is invalid. We have enough scientific knowledge to screen out wrong claims. If we accept any claims from anywhere when people see something and think that it was moon, then I must say that we will be disobaying Allah (SWT) against Surah 2, Ayah 189, "Yas-aloonaka 'anil-Ahillah, qul hiya mawaqeetu linnas-e wal-Hajj," because "Asshamsu wal-qamaru Bi-husbaan" and Ahillah (Crescents) follow that Hiassab. According to Hanifi Fiqh, to establish authenticity of a sighting claim, one man's witness or small number of individuals' claim is not sufficient in clear skies; a large number of witnesses is needed. http://moonsighting.com/ - http://moonsighting.com/ ------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |
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Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 01 November 2005 at 10:30pm
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem to give you an idea of how widespread the confusion is over following calenders or moonsighting,
the blank spaces are unknown as yet. ------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |
Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 02 November 2005 at 10:59am
| Nice piece of info at the right time. I appreciate it. May Allah bless you. |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 02 November 2005 at 12:51pm
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WHERE IS TORONTO ?!!!!! |
Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 02 November 2005 at 8:14pm
| I am highly disappointed to say that the website http://www.moonsighting.com - www.moonsighting.com has contradicted itself by declaring Eid on Thrusday for North America on one side and making it "impossible" on the other side both on the same webpage. This is totally beyond comprehension. Is there anyone who can clarify this to me? |
Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 03 November 2005 at 6:00am
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem assalamu alaikum Torronto is in canada, the above is for sydney mosques only. br Ahmad can you please quote the information i can not find it on the site. If you are refering to the opening paragraph it is quoting the oposing groups in the USA and not declaring anything at this stage. remember we are not looking for the new moon but the hilal (very fine cresent) which is seen 1 day after the new moon as the new moon is imposible to see at any time ever.
------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |
Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 03 November 2005 at 8:28am
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Eid Mubarik! everyone. Bro Rami, here are the contents of the website
Though, I could have been wrong of understanding b/w new moon and the halal, as what you have indicated, had this categorcial prediction of having Eid on Friday, Nov 4, 2005 had not been mentioned. It is this statement (highlighted and bold) that contradicts their declaration of Eid on Thrusday. Isn't it? |
Eid-al-Fitr: The Astronomical New Moon is on Wednesday, November 2, 2005, at 1:25 Universal Time, i.e. November 1, 8:25pm Eastern Standard Time - or 5:25pm Pacific Standard Time. On November 2, the moon would be about 24 hours old on West Coast of USA and still not visible even by telescopes, because the moon will be in Southern Hemisphere. It could be seen in South America (with difficulty by naked eye) and possibly in South Africa (with aided eye - Binocular/telescope). Although it may be possible to see a moon in perfect conditions in some South American countries like Chile, it is highly unlikely, because the moon is setting in less than 25 minutes after the sunset (in Santiago, Chile), and the sky is too bright with the glare of the sun even after 25 minutes. "ISNA accepts sighting within 48 contiguous states of USA and the whole North America is outside all possible visibility curves. So, Eid in North America Eid is expected to be on Friday, November 4, 2005.Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 03 November 2005 at 6:48pm
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem Where have they stated that Eid is on thursday? it is a confucing statment as they are not clear on terms. the following is from http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/MoonPhase.html - U.S. Naval Observatory they have said the new moon will be on Nov 2 ie the Wed making the hilal (fine cresent) on thursday and Eid on Friday. http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/moon_phases.html - http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/MoonPhase.html - http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/MoonPhase.html 2005 Phases of the MoonUniversal TimeNEW MOON FIRST QUARTER FULL MOON LAST QUARTER 
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/moon_phases.html#top - New Moon - The Moon's unilluminated side is facing the Earth. The Moon is
not visible (except during a solar eclipse).------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |
Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 03 November 2005 at 7:22pm
 The Islamic calendar is based on lunar months, which begin when the thin crescent Moon is actually sighted in the western sky after sunset within a day or so after New Moon. The ancient Hebrew calendar was also based on actual lunar crescent sightings, although the modern Hebrew calendar is calculated. The 12 months of the Islamic calendar are: Muharram, Safar, Rabi'a I, Rabi'a II, Jumada I, Jumada II, Rajab, Sha'ban, Ramadan, Shawwal, Dhu al-Q'adah, Dhu al-Hijjah. Since 12 lunar months are, on average, 11 days shorter than the (Gregorian) civil year, the Islamic year shifts earlier in each civil year by about this amount. The count of years for the Islamic calendar begins in 622 CE; specificaly, 1 Muharram 1 AH corresponds to 16 July 622 CE (Julian calendar). A tabular Islamic calendar has been established for some non-religious purposes in which the lengths of the months alternate between 29 and 30 days; in leap years an extra day is added to the last month, Dhu al-Hijjah. This calendar consists of a 30-year cycle in which 11 of the 30 years are leap years. Civil dates corresponding to important Islamic dates in this tabular calendar are: Islamic New Year 1425 - 2004 February 22The Islamic dates begin at sunset on the previous evening and end at sunset on the date listed above. These dates may or may not correspond to the evenings on which the crescent Moon is first visible, and it is the visibility of the crescent Moon that determines when the religious observance begins. The Moon's visibility at these times varies with location; generally, the visibility increases to the west, and locations in the tropics are favored over those in middle or high latitudes. The visibility of the lunar crescent as a function of the Moon's "age" - the time counted from New Moon - is obviously of great importance to Muslims. The date and time of each New Moon can be computed exactly (see, for example, http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/MoonPhase.html - Phases of the Moon in Data Services) but the time that the Moon first becomes visible after the New Moon depends on many factors and cannot be predicted with certainty. In the first two days after New Moon, the young crescent Moon appears very low in the western sky after sunset, and must be viewed through bright twilight. It sets shortly after sunset. The sighting of the lunar crescent within one day of New Moon is usually difficult. The crescent at this time is quite thin, has a low surface brightness, and can easily be lost in the twilight. Generally, the lunar crescent will become visible to suitably-located, experienced observers with good sky conditions about one day after New Moon. However, the time that the crescent actually becomes visible varies quite a bit from one month to another. The record for an early sighting of a lunar crescent, with a telescope, is 12.1 hours after New Moon; for naked-eye sightings, the record is 15.5 hours from New Moon. These are exceptional observations and crescent sightings this early in the lunar month should not be expected as the norm. For Islamic calendar purposes, the sighting must be made with the unaided eye. Obviously, the visibility of the young lunar crescent depends on sky conditions and the location, experience, and preparation of the observer. Generally, low latitude and high altitude observers who know exactly where and when to look will be favored. For observers at mid-northern latitudes, months near the spring equinox are also favored, because the ecliptic makes a relatively steep angle to the western horizon at sunset during these months (tending to make the Moon's altitude greater). If we ignore local conditions for the moment, and visualize the problem from outside the Earth's atmosphere, the size and brightness of the lunar crescent depend on only one astronomical quantity - the elongation of the Moon from the Sun, which is the apparent angular distance between their centers. For this reason the elongation has also been called the arc of light. If we know the value of the elongation at any instant, we can immediately compute the width of the crescent. What is the value of the elongation when the Moon's age is one day? It varies, depending on several factors:
Factors (2) and (3) are linked by Kepler's second law, which predicts that the angular speed of the Moon as seen from the Earth will vary by about 22%. If we combine all these factors we find that geocentric elongation of the Moon from the Sun at an age of one day can vary between about 10 and 15 degrees. This large range of possible elongations in the one-day-old Moon is critical, because at this time the width of the crescent is increasing with the square of the elongation, and the surface brightness of the crescent is also rapidly increasing. Some of the earliest reliable sightings of the crescent occur near elongations of around 10 degrees. Obviously, simply specifying the age of the Moon cannot tell the whole story. Of course, the elongation of the Moon does not tell the full story, either. But, of the two parameters, the elongation is a much more reliable parameter to use as a starting point in assessing the lunar crescent visibility at any given date and time. The prediction of the first sighting of the early crescent Moon is an interesting problem because it simultaneously involves a number of highly non-linear effects. Stated in less technical language, a lot of things are changing very rapidly. Effects to be considered are the geometry of the Sun, Moon, and horizon; the width and surface brightness of the crescent; the absorption of the Moon's light and the scattering of the Sun's light in the Earth's atmosphere; and the physiology of human vision. The problem has a rich literature. Some modern astronomical references are:
http://www.nao.rl.ac.uk/" target="_top - Her Majesty's Nautical Almanac Office computes and distributes predictions of lunar crescent visibility. The http://www.universalworkshop.com/pages/AC.htm" target="_top - Astronomical Calendar by Guy Ottewell (published annually by Furman University, Greenville, SC) includes good diagrams of the positions of young and old Moons during the year (drawn for the eastern U.S.) and an explanation of the factors affecting their visibility. Related information on these web pages includes: http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/moon_phases.html - Phases of the Moon and Percent of the Moon Illuminated (definitions) in FAQ - G. H. Kaplan http://aa.usno.navy.mil/about/staff/docs/ExternalLinksDisclaimer.html" target="_top - Disclaimer for external links. ------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |
Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 04 November 2005 at 7:36am
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Thanks bro rami for your detailed reply. Here is the confusion when the website states the possible date of eid on Thrusday for many countries including USA "
Thursday, November 3, 2005:
Here is the link for this http://www.moonsighting.com/1426shw.html - http://www.moonsighting.com/1426shw.html under the heading of "OFFICIAL 1st Day of Shawwal in Different Countries"
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Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 04 November 2005 at 11:11pm
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem assalamu alaikum You have misunderstood what that list is supoesed to say br. It is not telling us when eid will be rather it is telling us on what day various countries held eid. notice how next to many countries it say also on thursday or friday, this is to show that one group in that country held it on thursday while others held it on friday. other countries have a commnent on what method they used to find out what day eid is. Basicaly it is a record of what occured in every country this year. ------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |
Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 05 November 2005 at 9:43am
| Oh, I see. Probably you are right. In the mean time, I have asked our Islamic center to ask ISNA to provide explanation of their choice of decision for having eid on Thrusday based on "flimsy" evidence as asserted by this website. ISNA only acknowldges a "disagreement" among the experts but never explains to defend their choice of preference in response to the rebutal on this website. Hopefully, they shall find a better methodology for their decisions. Inshallah. May Allah bless us all. Amin. |
Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 10:43pm
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem the picture below is a good example of why there are conflicting reports of the cresent sighting. The picture on the left is a magnafication of the one on the right. its not just a matter of honesty genuine mistakes are made easily. 
------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |
Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 18 November 2005 at 11:55pm
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem assalamu alaikum the following statment was made to australian muslims living in sydney which is why there is a constant refrence to Al-Ghazali center. I am posting it here becouse it discusses the moon sighting situation from all angles religious as well as scientific. the original document can be found http://alghazzali.org/resources/statement05.pdf - here . Ramadhan Statement for the Muslim Community An Al-Ghazzali Centre Awareness Paper, � 1426. In the name of Allah, The Source of Mercy, The Merciful. Ibn Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated, �I heard Allah's Messenger (The blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) saying, �When you see the crescent (of Ramadhan), start fasting, and when you see the crescent (of the month of Shawwal), stop fasting; and if the sky is overcast (and you can't see it) then regard the month of Ramadan as of 30 day. Bukhari 3:30:1900. Abdullah bin Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated, �Allah's Messenger (The blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) said, �The month (can be) 29 nights and do not fast till you see the moon, and if the sky is overcast, then complete Sha'ban as thirty days�.Bukhari 3:30:1907. 1. INTRODUCTION Al-Ghazzali Centre for Islamic Sciences & Human Development considers the sighting of the moon as an important and integral responsibility upon Muslims, Fardal-Kifaya, in establishing Fast in the Blessed month of Ramadhan. Whilst we are aware of the numerous positions held by different communities, al-Ghazzali Centre does not intend to add or refute the practices of others. The aim of this Statement is for Muslims who are seeking accurate information about the controversy, and act decisively on the matter with a clear conscience, to have the facts available to them. We make the following statements of fact: 1. One of the unfortunate issues plaguing our community is the issue of moon-sighting. This controversy revolves around determining what is the optimal criterion for establishing the commencement and completion of Ramadhan. Al-Ghazzali Centre holds to the revival and transmission of traditional Islamic knowledge as a universally applicable System. We also recognise the validity of local moon sighting within a country (based on Ikhtilaful Matali� and Ittihadul Matali� positions of Fiqh), as well as the choice to separate sighting due to regional time zones. Therefore Al-Ghazzali Centre recognises the moon sighting from anywhere in Australia confirmed by credible Muslim witnesses. 2. We acknowledge that astronomical calculations cannot be used as valid means for determining our Islamic dates. However, we do feel that scientific astronomical calculations, based on Islamic stipulated conditions, can act as a beneficial guide as to when it is possible, or impossible, to sight the crescent moon. This report provides a brief statement based on the Sunnah as well as scientific data which supports the Sunnah, to clarify the following, pertaining particularly for the year 2005: i) A brief information on the theology of observing the moon to establish the month of Ramadhan as opposed to pre-determined calendars or statement to commence; ii) why any pre-determined statement by any organisation in Australia, or calendars asserting that 1st of Ramadhan commences on 5th October, ahead of moon sighting for the year 2005 is incorrect, technically and ethically; iii) The correct date to commence observing the crescent is 4th October, 2004, NOT 3rd October. 2. THEOLOGY BEHIND ESTABLISHING THE MONTH OF RAMADHAN The argument on the matter is simply twofold- sighting the moon physically or to use predetermined scientific calculations to determine the months, and so indeed Ramadhan. The argument for scientific pre-determination often is reduced to the assertion that because Allah has Willed the ability of humans to calculate such matters, using science, we should accept this proposition. This statement is usually backed by another assertion that observation was the best methodology at the time of the Prophet Muhammad, upon whom be peace and blessings of Allah, and that they did not have the knowledge or ability as humans have now. Al-Ghazzali Centre holds a different view, supported by a majority of Traditional Scholars throughout the world who reject pre-determined calculations. We do not aim to cause any conflict in the community, however, we do not back away from the clear evidences available that pre-determination of the moon crescent appearance was never intended in the first place, neither by Allah, The Creator, nor His Messenger. 2.1 Qur�anic Evidence The first evidence we rely on is based on the Qur�an. The holistic understanding of this evidence is commonly used in Fiqh for numerous other rulings, which are acceptable practice- Qiyas, or analogical deduction. In fact, the assertion that pre-determination is acceptable is also based on this tool of Ijtihaad. The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for mankind and clear proofs for the guidance and the criterion (between right and wrong). So whoever of you sights the month (of Ramadan i.e. is present at his home, witnessing the crescent), he must observe Saum (fasts) that month, and whoever is ill or on a journey, the same number [of days which one did not observe Saum (fasts) must be made up] from other days. Allah intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you. (He wants that you) must complete the same number (of days), and that you must magnify Him for having guided you so that you may be grateful to Him. Qur�an[2:185] The critical term in this verse is �faman shahida minkum as-shahara�, which means to the effect �those from you who have witnessed the month�. This verse has also been suggested to mean �those who are present at their home�. The meaning is still pointed towards presence and witnessing the month. The argument is usually used to suggest that this �witnessing� can occur via pre-determined calculations, given that we have technologically advanced to calculate the phases of the moon. It will be articulated later, why this is incorrect in seeking to understand the objective of this verse. The root meaning of the critical term �shahida� refers to a witnessing which takes part in a physical form, as a form of proof. Scholars of Arabic Grammar agree on this by unanimous consensus. Ibn Abbas, may Allah be pleased with him, who was the first man to collect Arabic words and elaborate its meaning, also clearly holds this view. Khalil, who used ibn Abbas�s collection to formulate the world�s first dictionary in any language (this of course being in Arabic), published this fact in his works, � �Ayn�. Scholars who study Grammar consider this work to be the most authoritative in understanding the depths of meaning of Arabic words. �Shahada� cannot happen in a simulated manner. It has to occur in a physical form as a form of proof. Of course, the result of �shahida�, i.e., the witnessing can be recorded, and this should not be misunderstood with the witnessing itself. Therefore, it is clear in this verse, that some form of witnessing is required to establish the presence of the month of Ramadhan (this also applies to all lunar months for Muslims, which al-Ghazzali Centre undertakes and records on a monthly basis [http://alghazzali.org/events/calender] Having established that a form of witnessing is required to establish fasting, it is important to eliminate the possibility of the acceptance of calculation as a means to establish it. The Qur�an is the Word of Allah. Allah is All-Aware of the progresses human beings will undergo, including the ability to pre-determine moon phases. The term �moon phases� is specifically used here, because that is what human beings can establish� not the visibility of the actual crescent. Even today, it is not possible for science to predict visibility of the crescentthe criteria by which all Scholars agree that the Islamic months are established based on the Prophetic Tradition. In other words, it is not the moon phases that Islamic Tradition calls for, but for the observation of the moon crescent. We will return to the technical basis of this, in the later parts of this report. The pre-determination is based on calculations. And the fact is that Allah, The Wise, has used the term �to calculate� in the Qur�an. This specific information is paramount and essential to come to a holistic understanding and acceptance of the fact that if Allah, The Wise, wanted calculated pre-determination as a means to establish fasting or the months, this would have been clearly stated in the Qur�an and the Prophetic Tradition, by the use of the term referring to calculation. It was nothing new, nor anything impossible for Allah to have revealed it to the Messenger of Allah . Allah revealed in the Qur�an: The sun and the moon run on their fixed courses, calculated with measured out stages for each. Qur�an[55:5] The key term in this verse is �bihusbaan�, its root extraction from �hasaba�. This word is of particular significance, since it means �to calculate�. This alone is clear evidence that Allah revealed to His Messenger , the concept of astronomical calculations, yet Allah limited the method of establishing the commencement of fasting through observation of the crescent as proof. Furthermore, Allah has revealed quantitative calculations in the Qur�an. An example of this is the laws of inheritance. History is clear that such calculations were not only new for the people of Arabia, but an unknown territory for the world. Numerals with fractions, as well as the quantum zero, was established or refined from the laws of inheritance revealed in the Qur�an itself. Allah is the Creator of heavens and earth, and all that exists in it. If the phases of the moon were of importance and the determining factor, and if there was no requirement to sight or observe the actual crescent, the Qur�an is evidence that such a directive would have been revealed for Muslims to fulfil their obligations to Allah. The language of the Qur�an on this matter is literal, and there is no room for the possibility of metaphorical interpretations. In fact, it would be counter to a very basic Principle of Islamic Law and Methodology, that the literal meaning must be given precedence unless there is clear evidence to suggest a metaphorical meaning. To do so would be what is referred to in Fiqh as �shaadh� or �odd� of that person. Allah has not left ambiguity or interpretative injunctions on Muslims as a method to perfect their Deen. 2.2 Evidence from Prophetic Tradition Whilst the Qur�anic evidence should suffice, it is always helpful to see how the Messenger of Allah , actually manifested those injunctions in reality. The two opening Ahadeeth quoted at the beginning of this Statement, is sufficient evidence to confirm the Qur�anic evidence. The critical words in those ahadeeth are �ra�aitum� or its derivates, which specifically mean �to look� or �to observe�. As a side note, this word is very different from another common word denoting watching- �nadhara� or �to see�. To look or observe, �ra�aitum�, means to pay attention in the observation. To see something, �nadhara�, as the root derivative, means that one sees something in passing or can decipher something. In addition, �ra�aitum� has no synonymous meaning with calculation. It has clear relevance to the concept of observation. Further, and most importantly, the Hadeeth does not allude to the �birth� of the new moon, normally referred to as �conjunction�, nor the day after. In fact it suggests that these two days of uncertainty can be left out from the establishment of the month. If the accuracy of the moon phase was of any importance, it is quite clear, knowing the complex nature of some of Islamic rulings, this would have been clearly mentioned. To the contrary, the Messenger of Allah, , mentioned the earliest possible observation of the moon crescent itself, not the moon phases. The calendars however indicate information of the birth of the new moon, which is entirely different in meaning as well as to the statement of the Messenger of Allah . The Arabic word referred to in the Ahadeeth is �Hilal�. It refers particularly to the crescent, not the new moon. The Hadeeth requires of us to sight the crescent, not the new moon. Calendars and pre-determined statements can only refer to the new moon with any accuracy, not the crescent. It is clear from this matter alone, that the crescent must be observed, and not pre-determining the new moon. These Ahadeeth also confirm that there is no reference to, nor any allusion to the phases of the moon, but purely to the observation of the crescent. They further confirm that Ramadhan is bound by the observation of the crescent for its commencement AND completion, where the days of fasting may validly vary from 29 to 30 days. There is absolutely no doubt in relation to this fact. 3. PRE-DETERMINED DATE � 5TH OCTOBER AND ITS INACCURACY Al-Ghazzali Centre is aware that many calendars assert the date for 1st Ramadhan to be 5th October. Calendars do play a beneficial role, in that they provide a general guide to when we are expected to seek the crescent. But they are not definitive, nor is any statement declaring a date prior to the actual sighting. This section of the report aims to highlight the error in asserting such a statement, and why 5th October is problematic at the very least. Al-Ghazzali Centre also emphasises, however, that only by coincidence Ramadhan is mostl likely to commence on 5th October. Al-Ghazzali Centre urges the Muslim community in Australia to abstain from fasting from the 5th October, based on the predetermined statement. This, however, could be acceptable ONLY after actual sighting of a crescent on the evening of 4th October. This inaccuracy is not based on whether calendar-based pre-determination is possible, but on reality of scientific facts that the proposed pre-determined date is incorrect in the first place. In order to conclude how the pre-determined date of 5th October is incorrect, one needs to compare scientific facts about the moon alongside observed data. Below, both are published as part of Al-Ghazzali Centre�s actual and verified record of the data. 3.1 Observation of the Moon Data [The table and following section 4 been taken out as i could not copy them corectly but they can be viewd in the original document http://alghazzali.org/resources/statement05.pdf - here] 4.CORRECT DATE FOR OBSERVATION � 4TH OCTOBER 2005 5.CONCLUSION Al-Ghazzali Centre concludes the following points based on scientific and Islamic evidences: i) The pre-determined date to commence Ramadhan on 5th October, cannot be established prior to the event itself, and so is incorrect; ii) It is incorrect to state that 4th October is 30th Sha�ban. This poses two factual problems. Firstly that 29th Sha�ban is on 3rd October, which is scientifically incorrect. Secondly, based on the moon age calculation, 5th October can be the 30th Sha�ban, and so the 1st Ramadhan could be on the 6th. The calendar, on this basis, incorrectly suggests that Sha�ban could have 31 days� which is Islamically incorrect. iii) The correct date to observe the crescent is 4th October in Australia. For a live hourly update of the crescent moonsighting for this Ramadhan, visit http://alghazzali.org/events/update [no longer available]. We pray to Allah to grant the Muslims ease during the month of Ramadhan through their fasting. We ask Allah to forgive us for any shortcomings and errors, and to give success to those seeking to participate in authentic principles of Islam. Peace and blessings of Allah upon His Beloved Prophet. ------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |
Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 21 November 2005 at 1:03pm
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The following is the response of ISNA to my question (of course through our Islamic Center) for making decision for Eid ul Fitr. I agree with them. " 11- 4-05 Idul Fitr on Thursday, November 3, 2005: " |
Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 21 November 2005 at 11:57pm
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |
Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 22 November 2005 at 12:05am
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bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem sighting was very much devided. The official first day of Shawwal in the USA is divided once more between Fiqh Council of North Amrica and many other organizations. Thursday, 3rd Nov, 2005
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