Light produces sound. Miracle of Quran
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Posted By: Al-Kitab
Subject: Light produces sound. Miracle of Quran
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 2:00am
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Selam guys,
As promised heres an unseen miracle of the Quran. Look out for my posts. Plenty coming. 2.26 Surely Allah is not ashamed to set forth any parable-- (that of) a mosquito or any thing above that; then as for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord, and as for those who disbelieve, they say: What is it that Allah means by this parable: He causes many to err by it and many He leads aright by it! but He does not cause to err by it (any) except the transgressors. Where does Allah give a parable of a mosquito in the Quran? The preceding verses explain how mosquitos are attracted to light. When you read the ayats with the mosquito involved and how they react to light. LISTEN CAREFULLY. Its explaining a mosquito (within the story of a man) 2.17 Their parable is like the parable of one who kindled a fire, but when it had illumined all around him, Allah took away their light, and left them in utter darkness -- they do not see. 2.20 The lightning almost takes away their sight; whenever it shines on them they walk in it, and when it becomes dark to them they stand still; and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have taken away their hearing and their sight; surely Allah has power over all things. There is one unidentified possible scientific importance to this parable as well. It comes with the in between ayats. 2.18-19 Deaf , dumb (and) blind, so they will not turn back. Or like abundant rain from the cloud in which is utter darkness and thunder and lightning; they put their fingers into their ears because of the thunder peal, for fear of death, and Allah encompasses the unbelievers mosquitos have what is called "Positive phototaxis" (Movement towards a light source by organisms)It helps the mosquitos receive light for photosynthesis. 2.18 Deaf, dumb (and) blind With light they see. Blind/Seeing can be explained With the use of the lights energy, They perform intelligent extremely beneficial action. Dumb/intellect explained BUT the Quran also states "Deaf". Mosquitos tympanal organs (its "ears") are located on its antennae (on other insects could be quite literally everywhere). They are located at base of the antennae and known as the Johnston's organ (a collection of sensory cells). It's has been recorded to be sensitive to sounds up to 2000Hz Quran is saying light potentially make sound at an atomic level That is beyond our hearing capability frequency, after all possess an oscillatory nature. Sound is a mechanical phenomena, light is electromagnetic, but it possesses mass (just no rest-mass), and as such has kinetic energy. This energy imparted to other atoms could possibly make a sound. Our increase of technology advances hopefully could prove this point but for the time being it remains a unprovable theory. |
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Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 25 March 2014 at 9:50am
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The Quran is not familiar with concepts such as the atomic level and rest mass and kinetic energy. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 2:02pm
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Al-Kitab wrote:
"It helps the mosquitos receive light for photosynthesis" Question: Could you give me a valid source showing that mosquitos use photosynthesis ? Regards: Airmano |
Posted By: Al-Kitab
Date Posted: 03 April 2014 at 3:25am
I will answer your question first 15.87 And certainly We have given you seven of the oft-repeated (verses) AND the grand Quran. There is a separation between the Quran and the Al-Fatiah (the seven oft-repeated (verses)), With this in mind that would mean Surah Baqarah, currently 2nd Surah should be the first (As Al-Fatiah is an introduction, a disclaimer. The first "chapter" is clearly a prayer or supplication and not directly an informative discourse. It is obvious that it is meant to be read formally no matter if you believe in traditional prayers or not.) There is evidence to support this theory. The first is what is mentioned in Baqarah itself when it says �Bisuratin� 2.23 And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant, �then produce a Surah the like thereof� and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful This would be the first Surah. (So Surah 1.23 instead of 2.23) And this would be the 10th Surah 11.13 �Or, do they say: He has forged it. Say: Then bring ten forged Surahs like it and call upon whom you can besides Allah, if you are truthful.� Produce �a Surah� in the first Surah and bring �ten� Surahs in the 10th Surah There is also other points that supports this claim. Maybe its a coincidence but��. The first is The 10 forged ayats appears in 11.13, the argument is 1+113 Surahs, is it linked? Other coincidences (or facts depending on acceptance) Al Hadid the Iron chapter no 57 in conventional numbering but actually the 56th chapter. 56 is the mass number (number of protons and neutrons) of the most common isotope of iron (96%). Furthermore the word al hadid appears in the 26th verse in a surah comprising of 30 verses ((Bismallah is logically counted as the first verse as a) Bismillah is counted as a verse in al Fateha b) I think that one of the reason why there is no basmallah in chapter 9 is precisely a sign from god to stress that the basmallah is an integral part of the chapters elsewhere where it is present c) after analysing the most ancient manuscripts, basmallah is in the same script as the other verses and only a dot separate it from the second verse like any other two consecutive verses of the same manuscript)) 26 is the atomic number (number of protons) of iron. What is more surprising is the relation between the position of the word al hadid and the atomic mass of iron which is 55.847 Al hadid is the 13th word of the 26th verse, a verse that has 28 words. A simple mathematical calculation will give us the position of the word al hadid which is 55 + 25/30 + 1/30.12/28 = guess what 55.847!!! I'll explain it deeper The quran is divided in surahs and verses and in each verse there is a certain number of words. To understand it well, see the quran as composed of 113 boxes (surahs)on top of each other, each box has got a variable number of drawers (each representing a verse in the surah) and in each drawer a variable number of sheets of paper (each representing a word of the verse) Now if we want to see where is the word al hadid, (not in other 3 places where the word appears in the Quran but for this particular one found) in Surah Al Hadid that by which ' God would distinguish those who would support Him and His messengers in the unseen', we see that it appears in 56:26 and that it is the thirteenth word of this 26th verse comprising of 28 words. Lets get back to our boxes drawers and sheets of paper. If you want to reach the 13th sheet of the 26th drawer of th 56th box, you will have to take out - 55 boxes to reach the 56th box - 25 drawers to reach the 26th drawer but remember its only part of a box that contain 30 drawers (30 verses) so till now you have taken out (55 + 25/30) box - and 12 sheets of paper to reach the 13th sheet in a drawer that contains 28 sheets that is 12/28 of a drawer and here a drawer is 1/30 of a box so you will have to remove 12/28*1/30 In total you will have to remove 55 + 25/30 + 12/28*1/30 = 55.847 Hence the atomic mass of iron NOTE: This separation could mean the Al-Fatiah is the proper Shahada for Islam. |
Matt Browne wrote:Posted By: Al-Kitab
Date Posted: 03 April 2014 at 3:32am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phototaxis Qutoe: Phototaxis is a kind of taxis, or locomotory movement, that occurs when a whole organism moves towards or away from stimulus of light.[1] This is advantageous for phototrophic organisms as they can orient themselves most efficiently to receive light for photosynthesis Now to explain photosynthesis GREEN, out of all the colours, can store maximum solar energy due to its typical wavelengths (490-570 nm). Green is common in nature and is abundant in plants that contain in their leaves the green pigment chlorophyll, a complex chemical that is involved in photosynthesis. Now, PHOTOSYNTHESIS is a process in which the �GREEN� in the plants utilizes sunlight to manufacture carbohydrates and oxygen from carbon dioxide and water. These carbohydrates � i.e. simple and complex sugars � are then stored in grains, fruits and various parts of the plant. Please read in the Quran this interesting verse, which we can call �PHOTOSYNTHESIS VERSE�: And He it is who has descended water from the Heaven; and therewith have We brought forth ALL LIVING GROWTH, then have We brought forth out of it GREEN, from which We produce GRAIN heaped up; and out of the DATE-PALM, of its SHEATHS, clusters within reach; and gardens of GRAPES and OLIVES and POMEGRANATES: each alike yet unlike. DEEPLY OBSERVE the fruit thereof, when it comes to FRUITITION, and its RIPENING! Most surely in all this there are messages for people who acknowledge! 6:99 So, grain is the �product of green�. Note in the above passage the stress on �GREEN� (�khadir�), the very central word which the description actually starts with. Here �GREEN� clearly refers to the green pigment chlorophyll, the basis of photosynthesis (�We brought forth out of it GREEN, from which We produce ��). The rest of the verse continues this description about the photosynthetic products of green. This involves various fruits, their appearances and properties and the processes of fruition and ripening. The main product, glucose, is the fundamental building block of all carbohydrates, i.e. sugars, starches and cellulose. Thus all carbohydrates � including monosaccharides (glucose and fructose e.g. in �grapes�), disaccharides (sucrose in �date-palm, ... grapes ... pomegranates�), starch (sugar polymer, �grain�) and cellulose (sugar polymer, �sheaths�) � are eventually produced out of photosynthesis. The water-soluble sugars like glucose, fructose and sucrose are used for immediate energy. The insoluble sugars like starches are stored (�grain heaped up�) as tiny granules in various parts of the plant � chiefly the leaves, roots, and fruits � and can be broken down again when energy is needed. Cellulose is used to build the rigid cell walls representing the principal supporting structure of plants. Photosynthesis produces, apart from carbohydrates, also acids (e.g. in �olives� and unripe fruits: �deeply observe the... ripening!�) including amino acids, which derive from the intermediate products. Importantly, the Quran mentions this STORAGE OF ENERGY IN THE FORM OF FUEL AND ITS RE-CREATION INTO ACTIVATED LIFE-FORCE AND FIRE � through photosynthesis via GREEN chlorophyll � as a strong argument for God�s power and His ability for re-creation of life (36:77-80). |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 05 April 2014 at 6:25pm
| Wow, I've seen some torturous attempts at stuffing miracles into Quranic text but I do believe this is the most ridiculous I personally have ever seen. Atomic numbers derived from chapter, verse, and word placement. Perhaps next you could could derive the origins of the universe from sentence structure and letter placement. Oops, wait a minute Al-almiyr did tried to pull that off with his Quran Cosmological Model right here not long ago. |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 06 April 2014 at 1:07pm
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Aparently you like playing with numbers.
I'm sure you're familiar with the famous "importance of 19" in the Qu'ran. Here comes a much more solid argument that the key number of our universe is not 19 but 42: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_(number) Besides this truly sound justification, the Qu'ranic "19" looks a bit pale isn't it ? I therefore dare to conclude that there is a flaw in the holy Qu'ran !? For more info: please read Douglas Adams' book: "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". Don't worry: it is not anti-religious. Last not least: I asked you about a link/book showing that mosquitos use photosynthesis (go(o)d old Wiki would do). There is none in your post. Regards: Airmano |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 6:35am
| I love it Airmano. You had me going for about 15 seconds. I forgot all about 42 and it's mystical and even universal importance. |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 08 April 2014 at 8:55am
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Well,
in the long run the truth will always win... Regards: Airmano |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 08 April 2014 at 8:37pm
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That's a big generalization. Not sure I believe it.
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Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 10 April 2014 at 2:28pm
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Sure,
when I wrote this sentence you couldn't see the little ironical twinkle in my eyes (and I try to avoid emoticons) Airmano |
Posted By: Al-Kitab
Date Posted: 11 April 2014 at 9:13am
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What if I go two steps better.
Get a list of the Fibonacci spirals numbers at the 20th to 25th first digits are 611247. Track the occurrence of this sequence. For convenience, I have already done it for you.  >
(due to the size of data here is the extended list but try it for yourself)  >
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You will notice a pattern, I have only written the first couple of digit of the number, just to emphasis the pattern. The Green bar row is just its related position. The yellow row is the position of the sequence (starting at 20) The repetition is at intervals of 19-24-24 respectively. Continually. I can see the significance of both 19 and 24 and I can go further in to detail but how do you get significance of 42? But like I said I will go one better for you. I will give you an equation that is on every page of the quran. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.... Our numerical system has potentially a never ending amount of numbers. The more you count, the more we can plus another one. Potentially an infinite amount... But in truth"".. Only one number does exist The number "1" E.g 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 That is because "1" explains itself and every other number. In fact, every number is a repetition (more precisely a reproduction) of the number "1". Not only does it explain every whole number but it also explains every type of number. For example a fraction or a decimal point is a "part of "1"". 50% = 1/2 = 0.5 OF 1 Therefore because everything can be explained by "1", it means nothing is outside of "1"s reach, so its not that 1 repeats itself to get another one, but it means everything is WITHIN the number 1. Its called "Russell's paradox". (even if there are multi universes it means they must be a part of a greater 1) Simply put "1" is the core of our mathematical numeric system, period. What's so special about "1" is it is also complete 1 = 100% In maths, when something is complete It MUST have a bound and an end. In maths this is signified with brackets ( ) ( <------bound, beginning ) <------end, finish *****(We do not use the brackets because we consider it common knowledge.) In maths we rarely use it but Brackets explain grouping pairs or completion in maths. That is why brackets are done first in arithmetical equation e.g (3+2) x (3+1) = 20 or (5) x (4) = (20) 5 x 4 = 20 One is 100% completely bounded and ended to itself. (1) or (100%) Hence this instantly means "(1)", the number "1" is the finite because of is finite restriction. ANYTHING that can be calculated is. Instantly our universe becomes finite (1) even if it has potentially infinite possibilities (∞). This is what has come to be known as potential infinite, even though it's just studying the ∞ possibilities within (1). If we accept (∞) as anything more it would be the greatest oxymoron in the history of mankind. There is also another restriction of the number (1) That is because by itself can not do much. It needs a medium or a language to communicate. multiple, divide, square root Etc are all fancy and group methods of doing the core symbols of maths. Addition and subtraction + - Just like (1), (+|-) addition and subtraction can explain themselves and every other type of calculations. Example 3x2 =6 (1+1+1) + (1+1+1) = (1+1+1+1+1+1) So inside every (1) we have (+|-). E.g Man = (1) And he has (+|-) within himself. Think of anything Positive and negative, Addition subtraction, Time space, Proton electron, Good Bad, Right Wrong, Light Dark We can even say Yin Yang for good measure All we have is equal and opposites and one can not exist without the other. Black exists because of white and vice versa. Think of anything, chemistry, biology, physics even non scientific subjects like morale; you can even say from a materialistic morale point of view, water is our greatest asset, the reason for life yet, our greatest restriction. Anything from a positive and a negative within a finite position can be explained quite easily. (+ -) within (1) Now to make it interesting.......... Scientifically we know we are living in 1 x (E=mc2), we are restricted. My question is say we calculated everything that exists in our (1) universe. Hypothetically lets say everything = (100) What would be 1 + (100) = ? It can not be 101 Reason Everything has already been calculated and it equalled (100) Let me rephrase the question from my brief explanation above what would be 1 + (finite) 1 + (maths) 1 + (1) 1 + (universe) 1 + (everything) 1 + (100%) 1 + (E=mc2) 1 + (+|-) ???? It must be something outside of the bound and end (brackets) Our concept of this is called Absolute (meaning 100%) Infinity ∞ A CONCEPT (NOT A NUMBER) beyond all bounds "(" and ends ")" So in an equation 1 + (1) = ∞ Or as explained before the core language of (1) is maths (+|-) The theory of Absolute Infinity 1 + (+|-) = ∞ Even though I have not surpassed our laws of mathematics, it displays something beyond mathematics. What so special about this equation? It explain outside of our brackets God is complete 1 100% Yet he is incomprehensible ∞ It explains that we have the option of either choosing a + path or - negative If on the day of judgment "=" (The day of TOTALLING/Tallying/equal sign) our good deeds out way our bad 1 + ( + > - ) = + ∞ You will end up in eternal positive or heaven Respectively 1 + ( + < -) = - ∞ Hell God 1 = ∞ Created + Everything (+ - ) and he only gives + "good" to all creation and everything (1) was made in pairs (+ - ) LETS GET INTO SCIENCE: __________________ Quote: "If an object tries to travel 186,000 miles per second, its mass becomes infinite, and so does the energy required to move it. For this reason, no normal object can travel as fast or faster than the speed of light." So if something exceeds this limit (1) its mass becomes infinite. 1 + (1) = ∞ __________________ Mathematics studies the (+ | " ) laws to understand the (1) value. Science studies the (1) value to understand the ( + | " ) laws. __________________ Quantum Mechanics states for nothing to create something, laws must be in place for nothing to produce something. The equation covers this aspect quite easily". A law is something that governs its subjects. It is not an actual physical entity and can not be expressed as the value 1. It is however an addition which must preexist our mathematical restrictions, as quantum mechanics states. + ( + | " ) This is the equation of Quantum mechanics, And this (+|-) is what governing physics studies __________________ Prisca Theologia +(+|-) Atheist, understand natural law exist and Quanta (∞)=∞ Pantheist, the universe is God (1)=∞ Buddha said, look within yourself (1) and find your personal (∞) nirvana. ( 1 + (+|-) = ∞) Christianity, father 1=∞ holy spirit + son (+|-) Exterior brackets trinity (holy spirit is the deliverer of the law, the son is earthly bound (+-) son) Even though Jesus can have potentially have an (∞) possibilities within him, he can never be God. That is why he always said the father ∞ is greater than I (1) Islam Surah 112 Say he is one 1 on all whom depend + he begets not, (+) nor is begotten (-) (+|-) and none is like him ∞ ---->It is everywhere (on every page in every Surah) in the Quran .<-------- Cantor actually coined the word �transfinite� in an attempt to distinguish the various levels of infinite numbers from an Absolute Infinity 100% ∞ , an incomprehensible concept beyond mathematics itself, which then Cantor effectively equated with God (he saw no contradiction between his mathematics and the traditional concept of God) I'm merely saying the same thing. It doesn't matter if you call this concept Allah, God, Absolute Infinite. Whats important to understand is that a concept beyond anything calculable (including all the potential infinities) does exist, as Cantor proclaimed. To leave you with some food for thought, We humans are (1) within this Big (1) Every (1) human is restricted to its experiences ( + - ) . Everything (1) that exists is restricted to its own. For example We can not imagine what someone else imagines to the exact detail nor can we conjure up something unimaginable because everything you imagine is subject to your own wiring and experiences or, your moment in time within the space of your life. If every human analysed the exact same picture, the picture stored in all our brain will always be uniquely ours and different to everyone else's. ALWAYS. Nothing outside of your restricted (1) can be contemplated because we are restricted by our unique Addition and Subtraction. (+ -). This is what I consider is the human mental capacity blind spot. There is an infinite possible chances of there being other realms out there, but your realm is restricted to you. I'll try explaining it this way, If we never communicated ever do I really exist for you or vice versa. Mathematically yes I am tangible but because you never experience me I would be your mental blind spot. If you want to go deeper in the rabbit hole�.. even though we've contacted each other now and we're communicating, you STILL can't be sure I exist. The only thing you can be sure about is yourself. That means (+-) everything was made for you (1). Theres an easy way of proving the world was made only for your experience. Prostrate and put your head on the ground. Your the centre point of the earth. The highest point. The earth is round. No matter where on earth you go, you are its focal point of balance. Quite literally your on top of the world��..and the day you reach your appointed time (not me) will be the day the world ends. I thank you for your time and space (+-) May ∞ bless you James |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 13 April 2014 at 3:10pm
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One thing after the other !
Were is the link that mosquitos use photosynthesis ? Airmano |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 13 April 2014 at 6:24pm
| I can't believe you can attach all this significance to the number 1 but can't see the universal importance of the number 42. I would guess that you've never seen or used an infinite improbability generator either. |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 16 April 2014 at 12:55pm
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Another miracle debunked ?
No reply to my question ? So mosquitos don't use photosynthesis ? As long as you don't reply I consider your "miracle" as utter trash. Regards: Airmano |
Posted By: Al-Kitab
Date Posted: 17 April 2014 at 2:38am
I already answered your question IN THE FIRST RESPONSE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phototaxis Quote: Phototaxis is a kind of taxis, or locomotory movement, that occurs when a whole organism moves towards or away from stimulus of light.[1] This is advantageous for phototrophic organisms as they can orient themselves most efficiently to receive light for photosynthesis |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 19 April 2014 at 12:41am
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Citation Al-Kitab:
"mosquitos have what is called "Positive phototaxis" (Movement towards a light source by organisms)It helps the mosquitos receive light for photosynthesis" Airmano: Nobody doubts that mosquitos are subject to phototaxis. But you add: "mosquitos receive light for photosynthesis". Could you please comment on the latter statement ? Good luck: Airmano P.s: There is also no comment on the superiority of "42" |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 19 April 2014 at 3:43pm
| Airmano, give it up. He's only going to write "This is advantageous for phototrophic organisms as they can orient themselves most efficiently to receive light for photosynthesis" again, only he's going to write it bigger and bolder in the hopes that this time it will actually mean that mosquitos use photosynthesis. There is no going back I'm afraid. It's about saving face. |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 23 April 2014 at 7:41am
Indeed Schmikbob what you write is the most likely scenario. The thing to worry about is the "plenty coming" mentioned in the intro:
Airmano |
Posted By: mrs shadab
Date Posted: 28 April 2014 at 11:46am
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great great great !!
marvelous!! truth is truth ,, fi some one wants to unrstand the "miracles of Quran " read this article thousands of time .. What so special about this equation? It explain outside of our brackets God is complete 1 100% Yet he is incomprehensible ∞ It explains that we have the option of either choosing a + path or - negative If on the day of judgment "=" (The day of TOTALLING/Tallying/equal sign) our good deeds out way our bad 1 + ( + > - ) = + ∞ |
Posted By: thuwn
Date Posted: 02 August 2014 at 12:44am
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